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|#24 - What poem? Recently graduated English major here. Also, don't … [+] (2 new replies)||06/04/2015 on The Finisher||+1|
#30 - anatidaephilia (06/05/2015) [-]
It's a danish poem by Kaj Munk called "Den blå anemone" or 'The blue anemone'
It's about a priest that lived under the 2 world war. I am pretty sure I have the somewhat meaning of it, but I don't think I'll get the best grade (12 in Denmark) because of high expectations and shit like that.
|#27 - DO ITTTT TRAIN. JUST. DO IT [+] (7 new replies)||06/02/2015 on Physics!||+29|
|#109475 - Then there is our disagreement. I think righteousness needs to…||05/29/2015 on Religion Board||0|
|#109450 - But your retort seems contradictory-- "creating a world o… [+] (2 new replies)||05/29/2015 on Religion Board||0|
#109475 - Cambro (05/29/2015) [-]
Then there is our disagreement. I think righteousness needs to matter and for morally good actions to also be aesthetically good for the world to be perfect. A world without free will would have less evils but also less goods, and the extent of both of those is up to debate. I don't see how a world where good actions are arbitrary because you can only do good actions is a world any better than this being the precursor to a perfect world where eventually there will be no evils and moral decisions still matter.
#109455 - cleverguy (05/29/2015) [-]
the thing is, you're implying that free will is required for a perfect world when that is not a trivial point.
the reason i dont find the free will answer sufficient in the first place is because i think the world could be more perfectly good without it and it is not a criterion of a perfectly good world.
if you take this into account there are no contradictions
|#364 - Point is we didn't know the affects of industry when we were d… [+] (1 new reply)||05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts||0|
|#160 - Former Oxford scholar and lover here with new facts! …||05/28/2015 on Fact comp #16||0|
|#361 - Looking at the huge issues of climate change, forgive me for b… [+] (3 new replies)||05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts||0|
|#109235 - Good, clear reply! We disagree on premise 2. I say a … [+] (1 new reply)||05/28/2015 on Religion Board||0|
#109360 - cleverguy (05/29/2015) [-]
ok i see what you mean, but i would argue that cutting out the middle man of going through a world with sin and creating a world of people who would only make the free choice to goodness would make the world more perfect.
basically the "loophole" you propose is very clever, but inconsistent with a world of perfect goodness
|#157 - I disagree that natural selection and artificial selection com… [+] (5 new replies)||05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts||+2|
#333 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Overuse of antibiotics is not the same as modifying genetics...
What worry are you talking about? Do you even know?
I don't think we're much interested in wiping out the natural vegetation. We're interested in bringing in crops for our consumption. Natural vegetation remains for the animals, our own manufactured crops just for us. If however, they are interested in wiping out the natural vegetation, I would have a problem with it.
Could come to a large amount of unforseen issues...key word...unforseen. Let's see the problems or potential problems first before we start making leaps in our conclusions. We need a reason. And 'if' is not a good enough reason. It is fear mongering.
Mate, we've been tampering with nature for thousands of years. We've domesticated animals. We've selectively bred animals to acquire traits that we desire which benefit us. Gene selection is just even quicker. We've done the same with crops. But again, gene selection is much quicker.
We've been moving gears for centuries. But of course, the great thing about a machine is that when you do make a mistake, it can be repaired. You make it sound like we're detonating a thousand nukes in our atmosphere at once. Stop the fear mongering.
|#109096 - What? No. The stone so big that God cannot lift it is illogica… [+] (1 new reply)||05/28/2015 on Religion Board||0|
#109101 - cleverguy (05/28/2015) [-]
i have said all the things you've requested, but you plug your ears and go "lalala"
ill try to repeat myself one more time for you:
1. God is infinitely benevolent
2. a benevolent God would create a world of perfect goodness so nobody would suffer or commit evil
3. This is not the case in our world
4. God is not infinitely benevolent
5. if god is not infinitely benevolent, he is not God
6. God doesn't exist
this is the problem of evil
your response is that free will means that the fact that we dont live in a world free of evil is humans' fault and not God's, and furthermore that the world is more good with the possibility of evil included.
i have granted you that there are two kinds of "goodness" that can be perfected in our world: moral and aesthetic. we agree that aesthetic goodness is more perfect when evil can be and actually is committed. i think we agree that a more perfect morally good world is one where evil is never committed.
now, i agree that a world where you have the ability to commit murder is better than one where it is impossible, however that does not mean, necessarily that it being POSSIBLE to commit murder (people would not survive a stab wound, gunshot, etc.) means that people have the free will to commit murder. the fact that murder can happen makes the aesthetic goodness of NOT committing murder greatest, as we agree, but the fact that people would NEVER commit murder at the same time creates a perfect moral goodness in this aspect as well. However, this is not the world we live in. our world is one where it is arguable that the aesthetic goodness can be perfect, but moral goodness is far from perfect, thus this does not actually get us any closer to solving the problem of evil, since it is possible, as i have shown, to achieve both moral and aesthetic perfection without free will and this is demonstrably better than a world where one of these types of goodness is not perfect.
thus the argument in the problem of evil is not defeated by the "free will" answer, because the world would be better off without it
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