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#79547 - Sure. I think there are a varieties of religious experiences. …  [+] (1 new reply) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79548 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
that description is much too vague to be objective evidence

and when you're talking about something as extraordinary and supernatural as this, then yeah you can be skeptical no matter who the witness is

and i wouldn't say that is quite quite rare if these "religious experiences" happen as often as you say
#79508 - There are a plethora of examples, though they would take some …  [+] (3 new replies) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79527 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
can you explain the "religious experience"?

also, you get the unreliable witness problem. how can you say what their mental state was when you're just getting the description from the person who had it?
User avatar #79547 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Sure. I think there are a varieties of religious experiences. A religious experience can be a vision or a prophecy or speaking in tongues, but it doesn't have to be that dramatic either. It can be the feeling of an ultimate will guiding the universe. It can be the feeling of unbounded love and goodness that you perceive from outside of yourself from some presumably supernatural agent. This can happen directly from the supernatural agent (like you're just sitting at work and suddenly feel a great peace. Upon feeling that great peace you are filled with awe and the feeling of being loved and you feel God is with you) or it can come indirectly from, say, a song really touching you and you feeling God speak through that song, or hear God speak through a sermon. All of these can be categorized as religious experiences in some way or another.

I would have to take the unreliable witness problem and apply it to a court scene--if the witness has proven to be reliable in the past (that is, honest) and also has shown no mental health issues and no history of drug use, then I'm forced to believe they either had temporary psychosis that was so fleeting it happened once for a few seconds and then never again (which is quite, quite rare) or that they are telling the truth. If they have shown no spotty history that discredits their story, then the testimony should be trusted.
User avatar #79548 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
that description is much too vague to be objective evidence

and when you're talking about something as extraordinary and supernatural as this, then yeah you can be skeptical no matter who the witness is

and i wouldn't say that is quite quite rare if these "religious experiences" happen as often as you say
#79500 - But the idea that their brain isn't functioning properly is an…  [+] (5 new replies) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79501 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
i've only heard of these experiences happening to people who were clinically dead for a time or in a dream state or high on drugs
User avatar #79508 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
There are a plethora of examples, though they would take some digging. Richard Swinburne, for example, had a religious experience while still an atheist at a Bible study with his wife while being both awake and completely sober. And there are numerous mundane occasions from normal people that just don't receive public notoriety. William James even has done extensive research on religious experiences when people are still perfectly sober and healthy minded.
User avatar #79527 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
can you explain the "religious experience"?

also, you get the unreliable witness problem. how can you say what their mental state was when you're just getting the description from the person who had it?
User avatar #79547 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Sure. I think there are a varieties of religious experiences. A religious experience can be a vision or a prophecy or speaking in tongues, but it doesn't have to be that dramatic either. It can be the feeling of an ultimate will guiding the universe. It can be the feeling of unbounded love and goodness that you perceive from outside of yourself from some presumably supernatural agent. This can happen directly from the supernatural agent (like you're just sitting at work and suddenly feel a great peace. Upon feeling that great peace you are filled with awe and the feeling of being loved and you feel God is with you) or it can come indirectly from, say, a song really touching you and you feeling God speak through that song, or hear God speak through a sermon. All of these can be categorized as religious experiences in some way or another.

I would have to take the unreliable witness problem and apply it to a court scene--if the witness has proven to be reliable in the past (that is, honest) and also has shown no mental health issues and no history of drug use, then I'm forced to believe they either had temporary psychosis that was so fleeting it happened once for a few seconds and then never again (which is quite, quite rare) or that they are telling the truth. If they have shown no spotty history that discredits their story, then the testimony should be trusted.
User avatar #79548 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
that description is much too vague to be objective evidence

and when you're talking about something as extraordinary and supernatural as this, then yeah you can be skeptical no matter who the witness is

and i wouldn't say that is quite quite rare if these "religious experiences" happen as often as you say
#79496 - -but its really bad evidence. Like I said, you can't trust it.…  [+] (7 new replies) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79497 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
i already said, you can't trust it because the testimony is from people who's brains aren't functioning normally

but if you want to trust accounts from people tripping while having a stroke or a dream, be my guest
User avatar #79500 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
But the idea that their brain isn't functioning properly is an assumption. As I said, what do you do with someone whose cognitive faculties are functioning properly who has a religious experience?
User avatar #79501 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
i've only heard of these experiences happening to people who were clinically dead for a time or in a dream state or high on drugs
User avatar #79508 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
There are a plethora of examples, though they would take some digging. Richard Swinburne, for example, had a religious experience while still an atheist at a Bible study with his wife while being both awake and completely sober. And there are numerous mundane occasions from normal people that just don't receive public notoriety. William James even has done extensive research on religious experiences when people are still perfectly sober and healthy minded.
User avatar #79527 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
can you explain the "religious experience"?

also, you get the unreliable witness problem. how can you say what their mental state was when you're just getting the description from the person who had it?
User avatar #79547 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Sure. I think there are a varieties of religious experiences. A religious experience can be a vision or a prophecy or speaking in tongues, but it doesn't have to be that dramatic either. It can be the feeling of an ultimate will guiding the universe. It can be the feeling of unbounded love and goodness that you perceive from outside of yourself from some presumably supernatural agent. This can happen directly from the supernatural agent (like you're just sitting at work and suddenly feel a great peace. Upon feeling that great peace you are filled with awe and the feeling of being loved and you feel God is with you) or it can come indirectly from, say, a song really touching you and you feeling God speak through that song, or hear God speak through a sermon. All of these can be categorized as religious experiences in some way or another.

I would have to take the unreliable witness problem and apply it to a court scene--if the witness has proven to be reliable in the past (that is, honest) and also has shown no mental health issues and no history of drug use, then I'm forced to believe they either had temporary psychosis that was so fleeting it happened once for a few seconds and then never again (which is quite, quite rare) or that they are telling the truth. If they have shown no spotty history that discredits their story, then the testimony should be trusted.
User avatar #79548 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
that description is much too vague to be objective evidence

and when you're talking about something as extraordinary and supernatural as this, then yeah you can be skeptical no matter who the witness is

and i wouldn't say that is quite quite rare if these "religious experiences" happen as often as you say
#79490 - Hell, William James (a pioneer in psychology) had done entire …  [+] (1 new reply) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79491 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
You have made your point.
#79488 - Except there are dozens of cases of religious experiences when…  [+] (1 new reply) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79489 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
I agree
#79486 - That's most definitely an assumption and false.  [+] (5 new replies) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79487 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
Same can be said for the opposite.
User avatar #79490 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Hell, William James (a pioneer in psychology) had done entire published studies on such cases.
User avatar #79491 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
You have made your point.
User avatar #79488 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Except there are dozens of cases of religious experiences when one was sober and also not crazy. For instance, the philosopher Richard Swinburne for just one modern example. Not to mention all the mystics since the time of Christ.
User avatar #79489 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
I agree
#79484 - But for our example their cognitive faculties are properly fun…  [+] (7 new replies) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79485 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
Has never happened.
User avatar #79486 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
That's most definitely an assumption and false.
User avatar #79487 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
Same can be said for the opposite.
User avatar #79490 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Hell, William James (a pioneer in psychology) had done entire published studies on such cases.
User avatar #79491 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
You have made your point.
User avatar #79488 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Except there are dozens of cases of religious experiences when one was sober and also not crazy. For instance, the philosopher Richard Swinburne for just one modern example. Not to mention all the mystics since the time of Christ.
User avatar #79489 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
I agree
#53 - The Falcon becomes the new Captain America. Does that… 07/22/2014 on On your left 0
#79481 - But isn't that an assumption that this reality is the true rea…  [+] (18 new replies) 07/22/2014 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #79492 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
for all i know it could be, but its really bad evidence. like i said, you can't trust it.

the only way that it could be true is if the reality we experience ISN'T the true reality and that seems like a bigger assumption than assuming the reality we experience is real, especially since the only ways people access these "higher planes" is when their brain isn't functioning normally so they probably don't experience the world the way it really is.

even if the reality we experience isn't the true reality, the reality mystics experience is probably even further off
User avatar #79496 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
-but its really bad evidence. Like I said, you can't trust it.

Why can't you trust it? Is it that you can't trust testimony?

-especially since the only ways people access these "higher planes" is when their brain isn't functioning normally

Again, that is an unsupported assumption

-even if the reality we experience isn't the true reality, the reality mystics experience is probably even further off

You have no basis to make that claim.
User avatar #79497 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
i already said, you can't trust it because the testimony is from people who's brains aren't functioning normally

but if you want to trust accounts from people tripping while having a stroke or a dream, be my guest
User avatar #79500 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
But the idea that their brain isn't functioning properly is an assumption. As I said, what do you do with someone whose cognitive faculties are functioning properly who has a religious experience?
User avatar #79501 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
i've only heard of these experiences happening to people who were clinically dead for a time or in a dream state or high on drugs
User avatar #79508 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
There are a plethora of examples, though they would take some digging. Richard Swinburne, for example, had a religious experience while still an atheist at a Bible study with his wife while being both awake and completely sober. And there are numerous mundane occasions from normal people that just don't receive public notoriety. William James even has done extensive research on religious experiences when people are still perfectly sober and healthy minded.
User avatar #79527 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
can you explain the "religious experience"?

also, you get the unreliable witness problem. how can you say what their mental state was when you're just getting the description from the person who had it?
User avatar #79547 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Sure. I think there are a varieties of religious experiences. A religious experience can be a vision or a prophecy or speaking in tongues, but it doesn't have to be that dramatic either. It can be the feeling of an ultimate will guiding the universe. It can be the feeling of unbounded love and goodness that you perceive from outside of yourself from some presumably supernatural agent. This can happen directly from the supernatural agent (like you're just sitting at work and suddenly feel a great peace. Upon feeling that great peace you are filled with awe and the feeling of being loved and you feel God is with you) or it can come indirectly from, say, a song really touching you and you feeling God speak through that song, or hear God speak through a sermon. All of these can be categorized as religious experiences in some way or another.

I would have to take the unreliable witness problem and apply it to a court scene--if the witness has proven to be reliable in the past (that is, honest) and also has shown no mental health issues and no history of drug use, then I'm forced to believe they either had temporary psychosis that was so fleeting it happened once for a few seconds and then never again (which is quite, quite rare) or that they are telling the truth. If they have shown no spotty history that discredits their story, then the testimony should be trusted.
User avatar #79548 - cleverguy (07/22/2014) [-]
that description is much too vague to be objective evidence

and when you're talking about something as extraordinary and supernatural as this, then yeah you can be skeptical no matter who the witness is

and i wouldn't say that is quite quite rare if these "religious experiences" happen as often as you say
User avatar #79483 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
Higher plain = high on drugs
User avatar #79484 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
But for our example their cognitive faculties are properly functioning, ie sober.
User avatar #79485 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
Has never happened.
User avatar #79486 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
That's most definitely an assumption and false.
User avatar #79487 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
Same can be said for the opposite.
User avatar #79490 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Hell, William James (a pioneer in psychology) had done entire published studies on such cases.
User avatar #79491 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
You have made your point.
User avatar #79488 - Cambro (07/22/2014) [-]
Except there are dozens of cases of religious experiences when one was sober and also not crazy. For instance, the philosopher Richard Swinburne for just one modern example. Not to mention all the mystics since the time of Christ.
User avatar #79489 - ecomp (07/22/2014) [-]
I agree

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#23 - anonymous (07/15/2014) [-]
I realized that God exists. God is the embodiment of the good in our soul. The soul is all our good qualities.
User avatar #22 - revengeforfreeze (06/04/2014) [-]
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User avatar #20 - thebritishguy (03/02/2014) [-]
Perhaps you didn't understand my answer very much. Truth is all that means anything to me as a rationalist, I do not have it in me to say "Well this isn't true but it is a comfortable thought so I'll dwell on it". So looking for Truth and critical thinking are the only methods I can use to perceive the world. I couldn't purposely delude myself or give credit to delusions, it's against my nature.
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User avatar #19 to #18 - Cambro (02/21/2014) [-]
why what?
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#15 - anonymous (06/13/2013) [-]
hey man i just want to thank you for coming to the religion board. the level of discourse has dramatically increased since you've arrived
#14 - anonymous (06/05/2013) [-]
you should visit the religion board and take on the atheists more often. the way you pwned noblexfenrir was magnificent
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Hey man, love the riddles. I found this ( [url deleted] ) and was gonna post it myself, but since the idea's originally yours I figured I'd let you do it. Some of them are pretty easy to get, but if you can't figure some out, let me know.
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User avatar #11 - iwasawa (12/18/2012) [-]
Nice going with the riddles, bro. I like them very much, please do try to better yourself at explaining the answers, I mean if you don't know yourself there is not much we can do but guess, still keep it up, =).
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User avatar #9 to #9 - Cambro (05/17/2012) [-]
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#1 - MotorheadDan (05/09/2010) [-]
What are your favorite bands?
User avatar #2 to #1 - Cambro (05/09/2010) [-]
BFMV, slipknot (mainly their first album), Alter Bridge (i love their bass player) Metallica, Old Linkin Park, Old Disturbed, NIN but my all time favorite is Breaking Benjamin
User avatar #3 to #2 - Cambro (05/09/2010) [-]
forgot Mudvayne*
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