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#27 - DO ITTTT TRAIN. JUST. DO IT  [+] (2 new replies) 7 hours ago on Physics! +13
User avatar #33 - tyrson (6 hours ago) [-]
What's with all the Shai Lebauff content and comments today?
User avatar #46 - toncheky (21 minutes ago) [-]
Haven't you watched the effin vid?
#109475 - Then there is our disagreement. I think righteousness needs to… 05/29/2015 on Religion Board 0
#109450 - But your retort seems contradictory-- "creating a world o…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/29/2015 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #109475 - Cambro (05/29/2015) [-]
Then there is our disagreement. I think righteousness needs to matter and for morally good actions to also be aesthetically good for the world to be perfect. A world without free will would have less evils but also less goods, and the extent of both of those is up to debate. I don't see how a world where good actions are arbitrary because you can only do good actions is a world any better than this being the precursor to a perfect world where eventually there will be no evils and moral decisions still matter.
User avatar #109455 - cleverguy (05/29/2015) [-]
the thing is, you're implying that free will is required for a perfect world when that is not a trivial point.

the reason i dont find the free will answer sufficient in the first place is because i think the world could be more perfectly good without it and it is not a criterion of a perfectly good world.

if you take this into account there are no contradictions
#364 - Point is we didn't know the affects of industry when we were d…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts 0
User avatar #365 - eight (05/29/2015) [-]
And until we have a reason, we shouldn't be leaping to any conclusions. Right now what we know about GMO's, is that they're safe and more beneficial to the populace than conventional grow methods.
#160 - Former Oxford scholar and lover here with new facts! … 05/28/2015 on Fact comp #16 0
#361 - Looking at the huge issues of climate change, forgive me for b…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts 0
User avatar #363 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Climate change is a problem, we know the cause and we have a solution. GMO's as far as we can tell are not causing problems.

User avatar #364 - Cambro (05/28/2015) [-]
Point is we didn't know the affects of industry when we were doing it, or deforesting, and it became a huge issue later. GMOs could be just the same.
User avatar #365 - eight (05/29/2015) [-]
And until we have a reason, we shouldn't be leaping to any conclusions. Right now what we know about GMO's, is that they're safe and more beneficial to the populace than conventional grow methods.
#109235 - Good, clear reply! We disagree on premise 2. I say a …  [+] (1 new reply) 05/28/2015 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #109360 - cleverguy (05/29/2015) [-]
ok i see what you mean, but i would argue that cutting out the middle man of going through a world with sin and creating a world of people who would only make the free choice to goodness would make the world more perfect.

basically the "loophole" you propose is very clever, but inconsistent with a world of perfect goodness
#157 - I disagree that natural selection and artificial selection com…  [+] (5 new replies) 05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts +2
User avatar #333 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Overuse of antibiotics is not the same as modifying genetics...

What worry are you talking about? Do you even know?

I don't think we're much interested in wiping out the natural vegetation. We're interested in bringing in crops for our consumption. Natural vegetation remains for the animals, our own manufactured crops just for us. If however, they are interested in wiping out the natural vegetation, I would have a problem with it.

Could come to a large amount of unforseen issues...key word...unforseen. Let's see the problems or potential problems first before we start making leaps in our conclusions. We need a reason. And 'if' is not a good enough reason. It is fear mongering.

Mate, we've been tampering with nature for thousands of years. We've domesticated animals. We've selectively bred animals to acquire traits that we desire which benefit us. Gene selection is just even quicker. We've done the same with crops. But again, gene selection is much quicker.

We've been moving gears for centuries. But of course, the great thing about a machine is that when you do make a mistake, it can be repaired. You make it sound like we're detonating a thousand nukes in our atmosphere at once. Stop the fear mongering.
User avatar #361 - Cambro (05/28/2015) [-]
Looking at the huge issues of climate change, forgive me for being wary about people tinkering with nature and it coming to good long term conclusions.
User avatar #363 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Climate change is a problem, we know the cause and we have a solution. GMO's as far as we can tell are not causing problems.

User avatar #364 - Cambro (05/28/2015) [-]
Point is we didn't know the affects of industry when we were doing it, or deforesting, and it became a huge issue later. GMOs could be just the same.
User avatar #365 - eight (05/29/2015) [-]
And until we have a reason, we shouldn't be leaping to any conclusions. Right now what we know about GMO's, is that they're safe and more beneficial to the populace than conventional grow methods.
#109096 - What? No. The stone so big that God cannot lift it is illogica…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/28/2015 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #109101 - cleverguy (05/28/2015) [-]
i have said all the things you've requested, but you plug your ears and go "lalala"

ill try to repeat myself one more time for you:

1. God is infinitely benevolent
2. a benevolent God would create a world of perfect goodness so nobody would suffer or commit evil
3. This is not the case in our world
4. God is not infinitely benevolent
5. if god is not infinitely benevolent, he is not God
6. God doesn't exist

this is the problem of evil
your response is that free will means that the fact that we dont live in a world free of evil is humans' fault and not God's, and furthermore that the world is more good with the possibility of evil included.

i have granted you that there are two kinds of "goodness" that can be perfected in our world: moral and aesthetic. we agree that aesthetic goodness is more perfect when evil can be and actually is committed. i think we agree that a more perfect morally good world is one where evil is never committed.

now, i agree that a world where you have the ability to commit murder is better than one where it is impossible, however that does not mean, necessarily that it being POSSIBLE to commit murder (people would not survive a stab wound, gunshot, etc.) means that people have the free will to commit murder. the fact that murder can happen makes the aesthetic goodness of NOT committing murder greatest, as we agree, but the fact that people would NEVER commit murder at the same time creates a perfect moral goodness in this aspect as well. However, this is not the world we live in. our world is one where it is arguable that the aesthetic goodness can be perfect, but moral goodness is far from perfect, thus this does not actually get us any closer to solving the problem of evil, since it is possible, as i have shown, to achieve both moral and aesthetic perfection without free will and this is demonstrably better than a world where one of these types of goodness is not perfect.

thus the argument in the problem of evil is not defeated by the "free will" answer, because the world would be better off without it
#140 - Just throwing this in here The biggest worry about GM…  [+] (20 new replies) 05/28/2015 on Interesting Facts +3
User avatar #158 - victorydanceofc (05/28/2015) [-]
I just kinda sit and assume that it's probably illegal in most of the world for a reason...

Ignorant? Maybe, but it has yet to hurt me.
User avatar #153 - theugandanhero (05/28/2015) [-]
I like the part where you said that whole sentence like my old science teacher
User avatar #152 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Natural selection or artificial selection, the end result is the same. The organism is improved to better suit its environment and also, to better fit our needs as consumers of the organism. It's just a hell of a lot faster and far more specific.

Anything can result in unpredictable consequences. We can't hold ourselves back by fear mongering. Sometimes we just have to do things.

And considering we don't currently have any reason to believe that harm will come from GMO's and that no harm has yet to be observed despite wide use of GMO's, I think we're going to be just fine.

Don't let yourself become trapped by fear of 'what if'. What if the world ends tomorrow? What if you die in a car accident? What if war breaks out? It would drive you mad.
User avatar #185 - darksideofthebeast (05/28/2015) [-]
Yes, the first part is true.
But mother nature can fuck up and fix itself, sometimes it simply cannot fix man made mistakes.
User avatar #334 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
I don't think mother nature is a thinking entity.

Do you have any reason to assume GMO would cause problems? What reasons? What would the problems be?
User avatar #215 - rakogoki (05/28/2015) [-]
thats where we come in and fix it for ourselves.
#285 - rageblade (05/28/2015) [-]
yeah but will the corporations bother

theres tons of shit they mark off as "not cost effective"
User avatar #216 - darksideofthebeast (05/28/2015) [-]
There are some mistakes we might not possibly be able to fix..
I know the chances are extremely low, but fucking with genetics can be dangerous.
User avatar #217 - rakogoki (05/28/2015) [-]
theres a chance you go outside and get skin cancer from the sun, lets all stop going outside.
also how can you know a problem without a solution may never have a solution?
User avatar #220 - darksideofthebeast (05/28/2015) [-]
Nevermind, I won't even debate with you because you immediately took it to an extreme level.
I never said they shouldn't do it, I just said it can be dangerous.
User avatar #336 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Dangerous how? That's what he wants to know. Me too.
User avatar #338 - darksideofthebeast (05/28/2015) [-]
Through time and as I said, extremely low.
But it can lead to all sorts of altered genetics, your guess is as good as mine on what it could lead to.
But I did stress that the chances are low and I'm not against gmo, just putting the facts out there.
Messing with genetics isn't wrong, it just can lead to some fucked up shit, or it couldn't.
The chances of it not happening are obviously much greater than that of it happening, but it's still possible.
Like I said though, I'm just as lost as you in saying what the danger truly is, but I know there certainly is one. But that's also on the same level of danger as eating a piece of food and dying.
Like sure, it's possible you could choke, but obviously it's much better to eat and enjoy rather than live in fear that you will choke and die.
But that doesn't dismiss the possibility either.
User avatar #342 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
I don't have a guess as to the problems we could face. I don't know. I wouldn't even try until I have better reasons.

Possibility just isn't a good enough reason and unfortunately, so many people dismiss GMO's purely based on possibilities that they can't even name.

We can "thank" people like Alex Jones for hindering this sort of scientific advancement by fear mongering.
User avatar #157 - Cambro (05/28/2015) [-]
I disagree that natural selection and artificial selection come to the same result. There is a huge worry in the medical field that by overuse of antibiotics we are allowing bacteria to evolve at an accelerated rate that are medicine resistant. The same worry can be applied to pests and diseases that affect plant life with artificial selection. And while it can be imagined that we could use GMOs to create a great diversity of vegetation, we actually are destroying diversity by corporations favoring products of plant life overall. A shit ton of apples and not so many pears (hypothetically) could come to a large amount of unforeseen issues including the animal life that feeds off those seeds or fruits. Tampering with nature is not like worrying I am going to die tomorrow, it is more like worrying that if I move even one gear in a massively complicated machine that I could fuck everything up.
User avatar #333 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Overuse of antibiotics is not the same as modifying genetics...

What worry are you talking about? Do you even know?

I don't think we're much interested in wiping out the natural vegetation. We're interested in bringing in crops for our consumption. Natural vegetation remains for the animals, our own manufactured crops just for us. If however, they are interested in wiping out the natural vegetation, I would have a problem with it.

Could come to a large amount of unforseen issues...key word...unforseen. Let's see the problems or potential problems first before we start making leaps in our conclusions. We need a reason. And 'if' is not a good enough reason. It is fear mongering.

Mate, we've been tampering with nature for thousands of years. We've domesticated animals. We've selectively bred animals to acquire traits that we desire which benefit us. Gene selection is just even quicker. We've done the same with crops. But again, gene selection is much quicker.

We've been moving gears for centuries. But of course, the great thing about a machine is that when you do make a mistake, it can be repaired. You make it sound like we're detonating a thousand nukes in our atmosphere at once. Stop the fear mongering.
User avatar #361 - Cambro (05/28/2015) [-]
Looking at the huge issues of climate change, forgive me for being wary about people tinkering with nature and it coming to good long term conclusions.
User avatar #363 - eight (05/28/2015) [-]
Climate change is a problem, we know the cause and we have a solution. GMO's as far as we can tell are not causing problems.

User avatar #364 - Cambro (05/28/2015) [-]
Point is we didn't know the affects of industry when we were doing it, or deforesting, and it became a huge issue later. GMOs could be just the same.
User avatar #365 - eight (05/29/2015) [-]
And until we have a reason, we shouldn't be leaping to any conclusions. Right now what we know about GMO's, is that they're safe and more beneficial to the populace than conventional grow methods.
#146 - upyoursnumbnuts (05/28/2015) [-]
I'll smother it in cheese sauce and eat it from the inside out.

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User avatar #32 to #31 - Cambro (08/22/2014) [-]
I have said before that I can do no speaking to your religious experiences whether they be genuine or not, but if you are fully convinced that they were religious in nature and your faculties were properly functioning at the time that I have no choice but to believe you (why would you lie about that anyway?).

You'll decide your own theology and it'll come from Bible reading, research, and your own experience. If you're really serious about it I suggest finding a pastor to talk to. There are a lot of new Christian services at almost every church.

I wish to emphasize this before going any farther: Read Galatians 2. When you become a Christian you are crucified with Christ. You have taken that sinful body and put it in the tomb where Jesus lay. But you also will attain that resurrection as He walked out of the tomb. We will always be sinful until we reach full perfection in our fully resurrected bodies, but we also are new creations right now. Also read Ephesians 4:22-24. We, as Christians, are tasked to "put off our old self" and "put on our new self" with and through Christ. We become holy beings by our prayer and dedication to Christ.

Now about "little flawed" you--God doesn't see that. Read Romans 8. Christians are adopted children of God and are co-heirs with Christ. When Christ died for you he forgave all your sins; past, present, and future. There is no guilt needed. Forgive yourself, because Christ has forgiven you. If you feel immense shame and like you are not pleasing God, you are not experiencing God's love. God loves you as a gift, not because of anything you've done. For if you could earn God's love, righteousness could be obtained for unrighteous means. This is a contradiction. Love and forgiveness must come as a gift regardless of your actions. And surely it does. Christ has saved you simply because he loves you and there is no "flaw" that will block you from God's love.

And about the worldview? That will most definitely change, but let it come as it comes. What happens happens. Like Solomon, pray for wisdom and it will find you. Like Joshua, meditate on the Word and do not move left or right from it. Ask, seek, knock, and you will find. God does not hide Himself forever. Whatever you need be revealed to you will be.
User avatar #33 to #32 - solomon (08/22/2014) [-]
he's right you know^ my dad is a pastor (which you can probably guess where i got my name from) he always suggests people read from john through the rest of the bible. mainly written by paul. it will give insight to what to do, what to avoid (in most of pauls letters it ends with things to stray away from, but also be weary of the time period as well) if you have any questions, ask
User avatar #25 - cognosceteipsum (08/04/2014) [-]
cambro have you turned off your notification for people who post on your profile?
User avatar #26 to #25 - Cambro (08/04/2014) [-]
No, they're on. I just haven't replied to you yet
User avatar #27 to #26 - cognosceteipsum (08/04/2014) [-]
Ok! I didn't want to... annoy you or anything. I was just curious since I'm eventually going to lose my virginity in a few days
User avatar #28 to #27 - Cambro (08/04/2014) [-]
I think lustful thoughts are a sin. That means porn is a sin as well as masturbation. I disagree with sex before marriage not only because of all the unity imagery involved with it, but also the risks that come with it.

1. STDs if you are having sex with multiple partners. And if you aren't married, there is a high chance of having sex with multiple partners.
2. It can create a child without a good parent basis. I think abortion is wrong, and what are the chances of you staying with a girl who is knocked up? And if you get married because she is preggers, what are the chances of a good relationship? This is avoided if you get married first and already establish a good environment for a family to be planted.
3. I think sex is a sacred act and abuse of it hurts a lot of people psychologically and emotionally. Can you separate emotion from the physical? And if not, does the physical not run the risk of multiplying the damages of emotional harm should something go wrong? It is another risk that can be more avoided if you are already married.

But you have to make your own decisions about it. There are alternative arguments. I just don't find them convincing.
User avatar #30 to #28 - cognosceteipsum (08/22/2014) [-]
I agree with you now.
User avatar #29 to #28 - cognosceteipsum (08/04/2014) [-]
Good point, bit I'm not sure if you're suffering from confirmation bias or not. Yeah I'll try it out and decide for myself
User avatar #24 - cognosceteipsum (08/04/2014) [-]
What's your opinion on fapping / sexual morality?
#23 - anonymous (07/15/2014) [-]
I realized that God exists. God is the embodiment of the good in our soul. The soul is all our good qualities.
User avatar #22 - revengeforfreeze (06/04/2014) [-]
You seem quite intelligent, I have added you because of that
User avatar #21 - coopergrimm (03/05/2014) [-]
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I haven't posted a comment on FJ in like a year. Thought I would make it special by telling you that I love you.

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User avatar #20 - thebritishguy (03/02/2014) [-]
Perhaps you didn't understand my answer very much. Truth is all that means anything to me as a rationalist, I do not have it in me to say "Well this isn't true but it is a comfortable thought so I'll dwell on it". So looking for Truth and critical thinking are the only methods I can use to perceive the world. I couldn't purposely delude myself or give credit to delusions, it's against my nature.
User avatar #18 - revengeforfreeze (02/21/2014) [-]
plz respond
User avatar #19 to #18 - Cambro (02/21/2014) [-]
why what?
User avatar #17 - revengeforfreeze (02/20/2014) [-]
Y u do dis bro
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Do you want your FJ points m8?
#15 - anonymous (06/13/2013) [-]
hey man i just want to thank you for coming to the religion board. the level of discourse has dramatically increased since you've arrived
#14 - anonymous (06/05/2013) [-]
you should visit the religion board and take on the atheists more often. the way you pwned noblexfenrir was magnificent
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Hey man, love the riddles. I found this ( [url deleted] ) and was gonna post it myself, but since the idea's originally yours I figured I'd let you do it. Some of them are pretty easy to get, but if you can't figure some out, let me know.
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User avatar #11 - iwasawa (12/18/2012) [-]
Nice going with the riddles, bro. I like them very much, please do try to better yourself at explaining the answers, I mean if you don't know yourself there is not much we can do but guess, still keep it up, =).
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User avatar #9 to #9 - Cambro (05/17/2012) [-]
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