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|#119 - Looking at the figures it is obvious that the palestinian peo… [+] (16 new replies)||08/01/2014 on About right||+1|
#170 - foxranger (08/01/2014) [-]
I agree with you, however, I do not believe it will ever happen. There is so much hate its unreal. Hamas and company don't want peace, they want the destruction of the Jewish state. There are 56 Muslim countries (as of a few years ago, last time I studied this) and one Jewish state. Doesn't bode well for Israel.
Due to this, Israel is so fucking paranoid they think peace is name of a rocket fired by Hamas. They have been for some time and they wont calm down until the rockets stop flying. Its a never ending cycle that wont end until one side massacres the other completely.
#194 - jujuface (08/01/2014) [-]
That's literally what they're going for at the moment. They knocked out Gaza's main power plant for at least a year meaning 2 hours of electricity daily. This also affects the water supply. The civilians can't leave because all borders are closed basically it's an open air prison. The strategy is obviously either to break the people or just completely obliterate them, leaving an empty smoking city sized strip of land that honestly I don't think anyone would want to live in.
#131 - anon (08/01/2014) [-]
you do realize that there have already been several attempts for a ceasefire, each time being broken by the Hamas right?
#136 - anon (08/01/2014) [-]
I am afraid you are confusing me, are you saying that the Hamas needs more power to equal the sides?
cause that will do the opposite of reaching a ceasefire.
or are you trying to say that both sides should be forced to start a ceasefire?
because in this case I come back to my previous comment, Israel kept each ceasefire until the Hamas broke it
#140 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
Sorry if i have confused you.
I think it is obvious that I have not said to give power to Hamas, as i have stated i disagree with them. And my previous statements on outside intervention clearly states that an outside force should bring about a ceasefire, as they are clearly unable to do so between themselves (Israel and Hamas).
Fortunately the UN has the authority to bring this about. They should also have the intention to bring and keep peace, and preserve human rights i.e. stop the massacre of civilians. However, they are largely incompetent at this in this context, seemingly because of a lack of US support to stop this conflict.
I understand that you claim this will lead to the ceasefire being broken again, but, as i have stated, this one would be under different terms. It would be policed by stronger forces, creating a larger incentive for both sides to keep the peace.
Any more questions?
p.s. your double post as both mrmask and anon was a giveaway, and quite funny, but no sweat, no grudges held ;)
#141 - anon (08/01/2014) [-]
only one, how do they enforce the ceasefire?
if the Hamas breaks it again what will they do?
since trying to imprison them would be met with an attack from them
and attacking them would cause the same effect that happens when Israel tries to.
goddamn this inability to completely delete a comment, there are too many anti-Israelis on this site
#151 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
This is the problem.
The UNs effectiveness is debatable, but I will try ansd state, ideally, how i think it should be done.
Keeping the ceasefire could be done by simply proposing a vastly greater force, in order to almost 'scare' Hamas into not attacking, however this could not work, as Hamas attack Israel although Israel have a larger force, and I also think that scaring them into submission is wrong. (although has been effective throughout history).
Alternatively, I think that the bringing about of the ceasefire should bring benefits to both sides such that they would rather upkeep it, due to the benefits it brings them. By this i do not mean that we should appease (give them what they want) them, however. Maybe the prospect of bringing trade to each country or helping to establish better supply routes to each, or maybe through offering to help establish, over time, better infrastructure and education systems in both regions etc. Hopefully through proposing these benefits, each side would lay down their arms.
I especially think that the people (civilians) of each country would certainly agree with this, and as both countries are supposedly democratic, this opinion would result in an agreement.
However, I do think that Israel would probably benefit less from this, as they are more established and further developed, however, if they are willing to keep the peace, as i assume they are if they uphold their end of the ceasefire, then they will be happy to go along with it.
Understand that this is just an example of what could happen.
If Hamas were then to break it, hopefully it would have the effect, as we phrase, of "shooting yourself in the foot".
By this i mean that they would lose the aid they receive, but more importantly, they would lose support from their people, and that should lead to them being kicked out and hopefully replaced with another group that are more willing to cooperate.
Hope this answers your questions
#173 - anon (08/01/2014) [-]
unfortunately, this is not how the Hamas operates, they do not fear death, they are all extremely religious and believe that dying while fighting against "infidels" will make them Shahids, which will bring them to heaven:
you don't need to bring a powerful military force like the US, Israel could easily wipe out Gaza off of the face of the earth if they really wanted to.
also about the prosperity, the Hamas keeps building tunnels to smuggle weapons and to kidnap soldiers, an average tunnel is worth 350 truckloads of building supplies, which is approximately $3 million dollars, and so far, the IDF has found over 50 tunnels, and keeps finding more each day
in other words, Gaza could be the Singapore of the middle east, if not for the leadership of Hamas, meaning they would be quite prosperous
#180 - BwainPhreeze (08/01/2014) [-]
I understand this, hence why i stated my proposition as 'ideal' - i understand in reality it is not so easy to achieve this. I can only hope that either hamas is ousted or they come to their senses, but i do feel that you are overlooking Israels faults in this conflict also.
#188 - anon (08/01/2014) [-]
Israel has faults of course, but it doesn't wear them as badges of honor.
when it makes mistakes, the responsible are usually trialled.
there are also things that it does that from what I know I don't agree with, but I don't necessarily know all the details, so all that I am left to do is to trust the lesser evil
my problem though is that Israel is being accountable for things it was pushed to do, no country will be attacked and then not respond, so it tries to destroy the enemies weapons, but the way to those weapons is blocked by civilians that were either convinced to sacrifice themselves, or threatened to do so.
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