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#11 - So basically, be an elf, or be a dwarf?  [+] (1 new reply) 08/25/2016 on Inspirational /Fit/izen... +2
#26 - anon (08/25/2016) [-]
No, because in the poll you were still a man if you chose tall
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#20 - If you're intent on making bandits the enemy, they're difficul… 08/22/2016 on DM question 0
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#55 - I mean, if a contract ordered him to take out an enemy's skull…  [+] (1 new reply) 08/18/2016 on never liked the alignment... +5
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#56 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, so? I'm not disputing that in any way. Adhering to the word of a contract is a scruple, a personal code. Hell, Asmodeus, who is basically Satan, is usually Lawful Evil for more or less the same reason.
#52 - Probably. I think of the word "Scruple" I think of m…  [+] (3 new replies) 08/18/2016 on never liked the alignment... +5
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#54 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Well, the act of adhering to contracts itself is the scruple. Obviously, he's not doing it for no reason. Such a character might think maintaining an air of professionalism simply makes him a better mercenary, or that the world would be a better place if people did horrible but necessary things in an organized, by-the-book fashion.
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#55 - BrownBearninetysix (08/18/2016) [-]
I mean, if a contract ordered him to take out an enemy's skull and piss in it, he'd do it. That's the "Evil" part.
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#56 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, so? I'm not disputing that in any way. Adhering to the word of a contract is a scruple, a personal code. Hell, Asmodeus, who is basically Satan, is usually Lawful Evil for more or less the same reason.
#48 - No, lawful doesn't always mean a moral code, the code or oath …  [+] (5 new replies) 08/18/2016 on never liked the alignment... +31
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#51 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Always adhering to contracts is a scruple, or part of one's "moral code." He chooses to adhere to the word of the contract, even when it would be inconvenient. We're in complete agreement on how Lawful Evil works. I think you're just having difficulty with the semantics.
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#52 - BrownBearninetysix (08/18/2016) [-]
Probably. I think of the word "Scruple" I think of morality. If a contract did provide a scruple, it'd be temporary, though.
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#54 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Well, the act of adhering to contracts itself is the scruple. Obviously, he's not doing it for no reason. Such a character might think maintaining an air of professionalism simply makes him a better mercenary, or that the world would be a better place if people did horrible but necessary things in an organized, by-the-book fashion.
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#55 - BrownBearninetysix (08/18/2016) [-]
I mean, if a contract ordered him to take out an enemy's skull and piss in it, he'd do it. That's the "Evil" part.
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#56 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, so? I'm not disputing that in any way. Adhering to the word of a contract is a scruple, a personal code. Hell, Asmodeus, who is basically Satan, is usually Lawful Evil for more or less the same reason.
#1 - Lawful evil doesn't mean less evil, don't know why everyone th…  [+] (58 new replies) 08/18/2016 on never liked the alignment... +337
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#250 - uselessmemer (08/24/2016) [-]
If everyone else thinks it, you might just be wrong.
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#178 - infinitereaper (08/19/2016) [-]
I think Light Yagmi might have been lawful evil then, rules and shit, did reduce the hell out for the crime rate and stopped wars. Oh he was so "evil" but you have to admit his actions did a lot of good.
#197 - anon (08/19/2016) [-]
And lest we not forget he killed his own father, and pretended to cry over his dead body to throw off the police. Motherfucker didnt have a soul.
#196 - anon (08/19/2016) [-]
Yeah, until he started killing people who would have taken him to prison. Affecting and killing innocent people who were just doing their job. I feel like the ending should have had them arrest and execute him, yet people still believed that he was out there, judging evil, which lead to very little crime.
#203 - greeeed (08/19/2016) [-]
See secret ending.
Manga should end with L death.

But Editors could''t let evil side win in children manga.
So, second part (where he start killing innocent people and lost) was what Editors want the mange to be like from the start buy author refused till he is done with his main story
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#229 - infinitereaper (08/19/2016) [-]
Oh I've known since Bakuman. In bakuman a very similar manga is written, and they extend it even tho they didn't want to ruin the story. A reference if I ever saw one.
#213 - anon (08/19/2016) [-]
"children manga"
Death Note was aimed at young adults.
#224 - greeeed (08/19/2016) [-]
"Young Adults" is a word to make kids feel good about themselves. After all, they are sensitive as hell in that age.

P.S:
Young Adults = 14+

And Manga come out at 2003. where they focused more in 14 years part from young adult then 18+ part




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#149 - drtrousersnake (08/19/2016) [-]
and evil doesnt even mean you do bad things, just your goals are selfish rather than altruistic. Then lawful and chaotic is how you achieve said goals.

so good vs evil is motivation
lawful vs chaotic is method
#170 - anon (08/19/2016) [-]
Thank you
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#121 - thegrimgenius (08/19/2016) [-]
Well, Lawful Evil can be said to be Lawful Good without the compassion. Working for what you believe is a good goal (Peace/Order to the Galaxy) and not caring how many orphanages are turned into factories to do it
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#110 - peezle (08/19/2016) [-]
It's arguably the worst kind of evil.
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#214 - logicstrike (08/19/2016) [-]
but they are also the most likely to get some sort of redemption
#72 - illior (08/18/2016) [-]
Stalin did nothing wrong.
#176 - anon (08/19/2016) [-]
You spelled Mao wronk
#208 - ilidan (08/19/2016) [-]
Did someone say hitler?
#59 - ziggysol (08/18/2016) [-]
I think Tywin Lannister is a good exampel of a lawfull evil person. He is willing to do what is best for him and his family (minus Tyrion). Sometimes he will be 'good' and sometimes he will be ruthless
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#50 - ledd (08/18/2016) [-]
Lawful evil means doing evil thigns according to own code, having a sort of integrity. For example, Dexter, who is a serial killer, but follows foster father's code, kinda making him an anti-hero in the process.
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#106 - ztheart (08/19/2016) [-]
Could it be argued that Dexter is chaotic good? Doing the "right thing" while breaking the rules that others set.
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#222 - ledd (08/19/2016) [-]
In order to me chaotic good he'd have to have a mindset of willing to break the rules for the goof of humanity. However, he is a serial killer with lust for blood and nothing else matters, but satisfying his "dark passenger", as he calls it, and while doing so he keeps to a set of rules that limits him to confirmed murderers.
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#223 - ledd (08/19/2016) [-]
be* good*
All the typos, sorry.
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#124 - ipartywithpedobear (08/19/2016) [-]
Possibly, the way I see it is as so:

Lawful evil: someone has wronged someone in your group of friends/family, so you want revenge. You want to make them suffer, bUT the law dictates murder/rape/torture is illegal. Instead you frame them for something, smear thier image, purchase the property from thier landlord and not only evict them, but have thier home destroyed. By destroying thier image, they no longer have a job, so you personally offer them a job, making sure they do hard labor for the least you can legally pay them. All without them knowing all of this was because of you. AND while it's a very terrible thing to do to someone, none of it was illegal.


Chaotic good:
You find out that an orphanage is being used to store drugs, and while the orphans aren't in danger, the drugs are destroying families, thus creating more orphans. So you adopt all the orphans and then use them as a personal army against the drug dealers.
You turn them into soldiers, and gave them murder and enslave the drug peddlers.
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#47 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Nobody said that it does mean less evil, but it does mean you are a villain with some scruples, whether out of a desire to elevate yourself above the average brigand or simple fear of reprisal from being too much of an asshole or getting too greedy.
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#48 - BrownBearninetysix (08/18/2016) [-]
No, lawful doesn't always mean a moral code, the code or oath can be anything.

An example of an LE character may be a mercenary who never defies a contract, and is willing to sign any contract if he believes the payoff is worth the work. In this case, the "Lawful" in this character are his contracts, while the evil originates from a willingness to perform any act, no matter how vile.
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#51 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Always adhering to contracts is a scruple, or part of one's "moral code." He chooses to adhere to the word of the contract, even when it would be inconvenient. We're in complete agreement on how Lawful Evil works. I think you're just having difficulty with the semantics.
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#52 - BrownBearninetysix (08/18/2016) [-]
Probably. I think of the word "Scruple" I think of morality. If a contract did provide a scruple, it'd be temporary, though.
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#54 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Well, the act of adhering to contracts itself is the scruple. Obviously, he's not doing it for no reason. Such a character might think maintaining an air of professionalism simply makes him a better mercenary, or that the world would be a better place if people did horrible but necessary things in an organized, by-the-book fashion.
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#55 - BrownBearninetysix (08/18/2016) [-]
I mean, if a contract ordered him to take out an enemy's skull and piss in it, he'd do it. That's the "Evil" part.
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#56 - schneidend (08/18/2016) [-]
Yeah, so? I'm not disputing that in any way. Adhering to the word of a contract is a scruple, a personal code. Hell, Asmodeus, who is basically Satan, is usually Lawful Evil for more or less the same reason.
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#23 - peliaosfiendline (08/18/2016) [-]
Crowley  Wall street integrity personally, I feel that this quote from Supernatural sums up Lawful Evil pretty well. You can count on a LE character to be honest, but not face value honest. You can count on a LE character to keep a promise, and find someway to screw you over in the process. The one thing you can not count on a LE character to do, is have anyone's best interests at heart but their own.
#73 - anon (08/18/2016) [-]
As said below, True or Chaotic Neutral, depending on whether you define chaotic as "breaking the law when they want to" or "having an aversion to obeying the laws at all"
Hope I helped
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#118 - peliaosfiendline (08/19/2016) [-]
the hell are you talking about?
#10 - attifyon (08/18/2016) [-]
That's the problem, since most laws are designed to keep peace and order, a lawful character is harder to design as an evil character, and the "lawful" path excludes psychos that do evil things just for getting their fair share of sick kicks, which are a lot easier to portray as evil.
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#131 - ipartywithpedobear (08/19/2016) [-]
I made a lawful evil healer, it was glorious.

We found a guy whose cart over turned on him. He wasn't in any serious danger, but he couldn't move.

Dm: "he says to do whatever it takes to free him, and he'll reward you with whatever you desire"

(Party discusses what to ask for/how to free him)
It's my turn, and they're not paying attention, so I amputate his legs, freeing him.

Dm: he looks sorrowful, but says "a deal is a deal, I shall give you whatever you so desire"
Me: I want your arms.
Dm: "....very well", he says choking back tears, "they... are yours"

Party: yknow, the log only weighed a few hundred pounds, which is a light load for the orc....

Me: *shrugs* you know what they say, doctors visits can cost an arm and a leg.

I have more stories than this, but this is one of my favorites
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#218 - mrfinnt (08/19/2016) [-]
a doctor made an oath to help and heal people. so taking his arm was breaking your Hippocratic Oath
taking his leg (as it is crushed by the tree and in no way to rescue) is okay. and as evil you could have attempt to get more out of him as he actually want to give you.
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#226 - ipartywithpedobear (08/19/2016) [-]
I was a healer, not a doctor.
Got my anatomy lessons through grave robbing while working for a necromancer and being a Butcher.
Was never board certified or anything, but I knew how to keep people alive, as well as advanced alchemy.

And yes, I could have asked for more, but then I wouldn't have had a matching set of arms end legs I needed for something I was working on at the time.

Lawful =/= you can't be cooky. You just have to establish parameters.
Some live by theit own code, some live by societies.

Lawful evil, if done correctly, is amazing since everything you do, no matter how helpful, is done with bad intentions. But when done correctly, your party will be none the wiser.
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#91 - ainise (08/19/2016) [-]
"Lawful" isn't directly refering to the laws of society, but rather they have strict laws themselves that they will never break.

Good, neutral, evil have to do with how society views them.
Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic have to do with how they restrict themselves.

Someone who clearly follows a code, regardless of where that code originates, is "Lawful". Someone who follows no creedance and does whatever they want is "Chaotic". Everyone else is Neutral.

Look at the Doctor, from Doctor Who, for example. He's a loose cannon. He has a set of rules, but bends and breaks them regularly. When left unchecked, he'll destroy entire races of people because they pissed him off. He's done it more than once, even when he had the ability to save them. This is clearly against his own code. But he did it without blinking.

He generally works for "good", and has certainly done more good in his life than bad, but he has no problem shattering all of his rules simply to save his favorite species.

His Arch-enemy, The Master, follows no laws, has no rules, does no good and walks purely to do whatever it wants. From the viewer's perspective, s/he is purely evil. Thus, "Chaotic Evil".

The picture suggests him to be Neutral Evil, but I wholly disagree. Either way, it's not a massive leap from chaotic to neutral, so I'll digress.
#75 - illior (08/18/2016) [-]
Being lawful doesn't mean you have to follow the rules of society, it only means that they are limited by certain rules, not necessarily those of society, could be their own moral code.

A good example of a lawful evil characted would be someone whose objective is clearly evil (ruling over mankind or whatever you want) but that won't go over certain lines (won't kill children).
#31 - mrlosthaze (08/18/2016) [-]
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#132 - ipartywithpedobear (08/19/2016) [-]
*cart overy turned on him, leaving him trapped beneath a log
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#11 - grandautisimo (08/18/2016) [-]
a lawful evil enemy is pretty much the worst that could happen, because he is gonna do evil shit, but within the boundaries of society.

lawful evil judge, HANG EVERYONE!
lawful evil sheriff, HANG EVERYONE!
well not everyone, but thiefs will lose appendages, on the other hand people will kind of like him, since rapists will probably lose body parts too.
if he is a manipulative asshole, he is the worst enemy one could have.
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#13 - attifyon (08/18/2016) [-]
That's exactly what I'm saying: a lawful evil is limited by boundaries of society/the law. A lawful evil judge or sheriff who hangs everyone and is not met by a negative response by the community then they aren't more evil than the society they're a part of, which doesn't make their evilness stand out.
A chaotic evil can do literally anything, including stuff that are evil but forbidden by the laws that a lawful evil character is bound to.
And dndxplain correct me if I'm wrong, but manipulating laws is not really a trait that belongs to a "lawful" character, is it?
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#17 - dndxplain (08/18/2016) [-]
well, it depends on the lawful. Lawful generally means adherent to a moral code rather than adherent to legalities.
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#18 - attifyon (08/18/2016) [-]
But wouldn't a moral code be even more limiting than legalities of whatever system you're a part of?
Say, murdering puppies or turning orphans into sex slaves could be encouraged by law in a kingdom but I can't really fathom a moral code that permits or encourages generally evil stuff.
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#33 - meganinja (08/18/2016) [-]
A moral code isn't inherently good.
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#126 - dndxplain (08/19/2016) [-]
and that explains all three lawfuls perfectly
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#19 - dndxplain (08/18/2016) [-]
they are rigid with their morality but not necessarily within the laws of the land. The sherrif of naughtinham (as you'll notice, a direct antithesis of the chaotic good robin hood) is a lawful evil character.
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#20 - attifyon (08/18/2016) [-]
So it's more like "this is what I think is right and I will enforce it no matter what" kind of deal? Alright, that makes sense.
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#21 - dndxplain (08/18/2016) [-]
it's more of a "there is what I think is absolute, and what I want. I am willing to do anything to get what I want short of infringing upon the absolute"
#70 - anon (08/18/2016) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
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#14 - grandautisimo (08/18/2016) [-]
he could legally pursue to have the laws changed, like advise the king to do so.
you could argue that hitler and pretty much all of the inner circle of the nazis were lawful evil, the german populace was just unfortunate that they elected hitler.

lawful evil characters can take root even in the midst of a good society and slowly change it. chaotic evil charcters antagonize everyone or kill them, so they are not much of a threat.
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#2 - dndxplain (08/18/2016) [-]
honestly, often times Lawful Evil is barely a step from True Evil.
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#16 - pitifulsoul (08/18/2016) [-]
Clinton
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#137 - vozel (08/19/2016) [-]
nigga where the fuck does the "lawful" come from when describing clinton
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#138 - pitifulsoul (08/19/2016) [-]
the guise of being lawful?
#155 - vozel (08/19/2016) [-]
as opposed to not hiding the fact that she isn't evil
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#119 - warioteam (08/19/2016) [-]
there is NOTHING lawful about clinton, in any context
#16 - I remember, I once got hit by three enemies at once, and the d… 08/17/2016 on Evil Table Enemy +3
#34 - I remember the BiMS. How is it that that happened mor…  [+] (2 new replies) 08/16/2016 on "W Diddlehands" +2
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#53 - dndxplain (08/17/2016) [-]
also, for anyone wondering: The Beast in Man's Skin is the name of the god. TBiMS for short.

his current count on this exact same incident is three.
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#52 - dndxplain (08/17/2016) [-]
people are stupid?