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#128 - imgood (03/12/2016) [-]
Lee Sin can do some fancy things, but he's still a rather simple champion over all, and shaco isn't difficult by any stretch of the imagination
Ryze is still extremely powerful, and even after worlds nobody played him. Everyone higher up knows how strong he can be, but only Ryze mains can pull him off properly
#131 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
Because the truth is he's boring as fuck. Once you've got the key pattern for his combo down to muscle memory it's just regurgitating that any time someone is near you. Granted the higher elo people can weave movement commands between huge DPS, but it's hardly the most difficult champ to master, That again, is probably Lee Sin, Twisted Fate, shit, maybe even thresh.
The thing about Ryze is he's strong, but he's binary as fuck. There's literally only one thing he does really well, and that's faceroll keyboard, keep someone in place, melt then and take no damage.
People like Lee, TF, Thresh, Shaco all have kits where you have to make on the fly calls about what the best type of ability to use is, how you can engage/escape/save an ally etc.
#132 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
#135 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
You're just way too biased imo you're going on like ryze is gods gift to the rift when he's nothing short of a niche pick unless they buff him a little, at which point he's so fucking EASY to play that you're be retarded not to play him. You're also bringing rank into it like it means anything outside of D1.
Bronze and Silver players can theorycraft as well, like you're saying that as if the 20m~ people at that elo are all 100% braindead morons, when the reality is they're just not good at as many things all at once as higher elo players are and that's it.. Fuck, I see guys in Mid/High plat that still have no idea what they're talking about/building.
Riven IS kind of impressive though, I don't play her, but the very very few times I've played her I've been stepped on like a motherfucker, because I can't animation cancel and I don't know how to get her damage off, like I said your opinion is really biased, that's all well and good, that's your opinion, but it's not the only one, lmao.
#136 - imgood (03/12/2016) [-]
It's not my opinion alone, it's an opinion held by a lot of higher elo players. And it's not a biased opinion when I'm talking about high level play, yes bronze players can theorycraft, but they aren't playing in a high elo environment. Ryze may seem easy to do well wit in lower elo's where people aren't used to handling him, but higher up you need to know exactly what to do, when to do it, and how the full extent of his combo works. Positioning is terrible below gold 2, so it makes sense that ryze would seem easy below gold 2
#137 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
You're going on about it as if positioning alone is the only reason he's hard to master.
Like, take any adc, literally any ADC and you get destoryed if you misposition even once in a fight, ryze at least has the safety net of huge shields and good movement speed, not to mention spellvamp.
I'm saying it's biased because if he was truly as good as you seem to think he is, why isn't he picked in LCS/IEM games currently? Is it because of the nerfs? If so that means he's good, not because his kit is a great kit, just he's too oppressive when his numbers are too high, let's take that once scene from NA LCS last year when he 2v1'd a Vayne and a Maokai, not through sheer mechanical prowess or excellent decisionmaking, he pulled through literally because he wasn't balanced at the time, not because he played it well, and he played it about the exact same way any high elo player would play him at the time(Here's the link www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFtZ0Z91ysk Point being this was the stage where he was overbuffed and very strong, now since his nerfs he's very rarely seen. Champions with innately strong kits always get picked regardless of nerfs, champions with weak or binary kits get picked when they get overbuffed to the point where their weaknesses are dwarfed by how oppressively strong they can be.
See - Kalista, Thresh, Lucian, Lee Sin, Morgana, Ezreal, Corki
#140 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
That's a really childish way to dismiss an argument, you're literally regurgitating shit points and trash opinions like they're gospel.
He's two dimensional, his kit does one thing really well - which is lock a single target down and wail on them until they die and slide away at mach 2, and he gets away with it when his numbers are in a good spot that's about it.
The fact that you genuinely think anyone outside of Lee Sin, TF or Zed is the hardest champion to master amazes me.
#141 - imgood (03/12/2016) [-]
You really like missing my points and throwing out strawmans don't you? Positioning is especially difficult on a mid-range mage like ryze, he plays with fire in most scenarios; and it's positioning WITH passive monitering
And I'll say it one last time, i'm talking about high elo play, your opinion based around bronze/silver is null, goodbye
#142 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
It's based on Challenger level game analysis lmao.
Positioning is important on everyone, the mid range is made up for in mobility and durability. It's just as hard, if not harder to survive on champs like Jinx/Varus/Ashe/Jhin/Anivia because if you're not in a great spot or you miss your cc, you're pretty bonered.
Whatever man. You and your 48% winrate god-tier mechanics champ can take a big fat one and ram it.
#146 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
you need to take playrate into account as well, 1.3% is nothing at all, it's literally only mains at that point, skewed by people playing free week ryze or to play his as a counter at his currently weakish stage.
Like, Vayne has a 20% pickrate, and and average 50% winrate, I've got just under 70 games on her this season and a 63% WR.
Lucian has a huge 40% pickrate, and a 49% winrate, and again, got about 30 games in him and another 63% winrate.
Back down to something with no pick rate at all. Like Urgot who has pretty much no pickrate at all who has 44% base winrate and 81% for people with 125~ games.
#147 - imgood (03/12/2016) [-]
1.3% is more than enough for a reasonable statistic to be formed, and note the winrates based on games played i mentioned, the difference between ryze mains and ryze first timers is 20%; that's that largest deviation that exists for any champion and proves my point quite fully
#148 - kyrozor (03/12/2016) [-]
All it proves is the champ has a high skill floor and a low skill ceiling. That's not showing that he's the hardest champ to master, it's that he's the hardest to learn and that's a BIG difference.
It all comes back to it being binary as fuck. Like if you watch a video of Ryze highlights, it will be the exact same video almost every time.
Switch that to Zed/Lee/Azir/Vayne/Riven, any other insanely mechanical champion and you see players that have truly begun to master them, doing movements and animation cancels and bursts that most players wouldn't even think of.
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