so proud. .. What's the big deal in the picture? He's just expressing his tolerance towards all people


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User avatar #7 - settled (12/17/2013) [-]
Why isn't ********** around here somewhere?
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I am
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User avatar #16 to #12 - kasperoster (12/17/2013) [-]
Now that's settled why don't we move on to more important things?
User avatar #17 to #16 - settled (12/17/2013) [-]
You won't believe how many times I hear that pun every day.
User avatar #18 to #17 - kasperoster (12/17/2013) [-]
I think i can imagine it though. Just had to. It was too obvious man.
User avatar #19 to #18 - settled (12/17/2013) [-]
I ******* KNOW
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This one's a classic.
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seizure time.
seizure time.
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Hope im not late for the party-
Hope im not late for the party-
#282 to #17 - limb (12/18/2013) [-]
"I'm going to go out on a limb" <All day everyday.

I made this account with trees in mind.
#3 - lordfluffs (12/17/2013) [-]
What's the big deal in the picture? He's just expressing his tolerance towards all people
#46 - Proximity (12/17/2013) [-]
Oh please, supporting the Stormcloaks is a deathwish for both Skyrim and the Empire.

With Skyrim's independence, sure they'll resist the Aldmeri Dominion, but without the supplies and reinforcements of the Empire, they'd never succeed.

It's clear that the majority of the Empire hates the Thalmor. The Empire is bound to fight them again. Perhaps due to new leadership. Perhaps due to the Aldmeri Dominion betraying them. Without Skyrim, however, the Empire is significantly weaker. Skyrim is a huge source of metal, as well as strong warriors.

You may not like it, and neither would many nords, but the Stormcloaks are only going to cause harm. Anyone with a true interest in crushing the Thalmore must support the Empire.
User avatar #94 to #46 - zomaru (12/17/2013) [-]
The Empire and Skyrim can Coexist. If the Thalmore attack, they will be met with the same force no matter who won the Civil war.
Skyrim as a independent state is no different then America wanting its independence with Britian.
User avatar #98 to #94 - Proximity (12/17/2013) [-]
Read #66
I explained that if Skyrim is independent, they will be crushed and the Empire won't save them.

Keep in mind the losses both sides take after the civil war, regardless of who wins.
User avatar #111 to #98 - zomaru (12/17/2013) [-]
I read it, and think you are missing the point.
Ulfric would never work with the Thalmore, and if they invaded the Empire would see it as suicide not to mobilize every troop they had against the Thalmore.
Those troops already in Skyrim during the Civil war, those were just like MPs, The empire wasn't going to take over Skyrim with its full force, because that would leave them not only heavily exposed but it would leave way to many causalities.
The empire was trying for a diplomatic victory, and when things went to **** the emperor came himself to try and keep the peace and work on a diplomatic solution.
Not to mention, if the Thalmore attack Skyrim, the Nords have a Huge home field advantage, and would easily be able to fend them off until the Empires actual army arrived. Sure, 70% of all able bodied men and women in Skyrim and the empire would perish, but The Thalmore would take a blow it could never recover from.
User avatar #207 to #46 - moetron (12/18/2013) [-]
they have cooler armor tho
User avatar #228 to #46 - mitchr (12/18/2013) [-]
Thank you.
And if you look for it, there's an incredibly massive amount of foreshadowing towards the Aldmeri Dominion preparing for another war. The Empire knows, too, and that's what makes it scarier.

I hope that that is Elder Scrolls VI. World War Two, Tamriel style. Because, see, up til now, the threats have all been localized- the Gates to Oblivion, Alduin, so on. They were things that one person could stop, one hero could end. A war? A full-blown war isn't something like that. It's not something that would be ended by a single hero, no. It's something that creates heroes, builds them from the ground up.
Your character- it's your own. It is you, as you wish to be represented in their world. You start out as a hero, with magic and weapons at the ready. You assume the role immediately.
But what if you started out helpless? Just another grunt, just another fodder. You'd feel out of place, without a sense of control in the game. You'd feel awkward, even, because this world that was yours is in the grip of things removed from your control. You couldn't end the war by yourself.
So, instead, you fight. You rise up, you climb up and earn your position, become a war hero and a paragon, trying to end a war that you can't end, not alone. You'd become the figurehead that is freedom, that is the Empire, and you would grow to become what the Dragonborn was, what the Hero of Kvatch was. You wouldn't begin a hero.
You would become one.
And that, you see, is why I await the next game.
#248 to #46 - wrathlos (12/18/2013) [-]
I'm amazed you got all the thumbs. So many people fail to see this logic when they play Skyrim. Hell, in the Thalmor embassy you find a book specifically stating that both parties would be problematic, but the imperials are a much, MUCH larger threat to the Aldmeri Dominion.
#267 to #248 - anon (12/18/2013) [-]
Well, as long as either side has that hero of ancient legends guy with the power to murder his way through dozens of men in a minute and shout people into the atmosphere, they could probably just send him directly into the isles to annihilate the thalmor person by person until nothing is left. And throw in the ebony guy for good measure.
#268 to #267 - wrathlos (12/18/2013) [-]
True, Dragonborn is damn near untouchable. Here's my question, WHERE THE **** IS THE NEREVARINE? ******* honestly? I know he left for that unknown nation of lizard-things but what the **** man? Is the immortal warlord just like "I ain't got time for dat"?
User avatar #253 to #46 - niggastolemyname ONLINE (12/18/2013) [-]
#270 to #253 - wrathlos (12/18/2013) [-]
You find it out if you talk to people around Skyrim. On top of that, you can find a file in the Thalmor Embassy concerning the situation. Nords gain Skyrim and all they have is fortification. Imperials get it back and it's a whole other story.
User avatar #305 to #270 - niggastolemyname ONLINE (12/18/2013) [-]
Oh, k.
User avatar #271 to #46 - kievaughnb (12/18/2013) [-]
Independent Skyrim can impose trade tariffs for anything they need to trade with other countries. You said it yourself, Skyrim is a source of metal. It's not like the Empire will sit and pout because Skyrim seceded. No, they'll establish diplomatic trade relations and Skyrim can barter for what they need without the Thalmor ******** on them by proxy through the Empire.

Furthermore, Nords are self-sufficient in their small villages, so in their bigger cities they're even better equipped to live. They have town guards, farms, and rivers to live off of.

Skyrim will prosper without the Empire.

TL;DR: Skyrim is a strong Nord woman who don't need no man.
User avatar #274 to #46 - dongers (12/18/2013) [-]
holy **** people actually understand the backstory, i still dont understand half the **** that is going on.
User avatar #276 to #46 - boydaranga (12/18/2013) [-]
Have you read the book in the thalmor embassy about ulfric being useful to the aldmeri dominion?

Ulfric is a sleeper agent.
#206 to #46 - bitchpleaseshutup (12/18/2013) [-]
Hail Queen Aryenn, the Unforseen Queen! Damn heretics! We are the Saviors of Mer. Victors of the Great War. It's only a matter of time before your whole rotten Empire collapses of its own decay. The Empire exists because we allow it, it will end because we demand it. Next in line are those barbaric Stormcloaks. They live in pitiful squalor, lacking moderation, temper, and self-control. Their very existence is a blight on the common good. They hold themselves to be pure, when in fact they are corrupt and self-interested. The truth will be made clear to them soon enough. Talos was a heroic man, but not a god. It pains the Altmer that we must remind our younger cousins of the difference. Behold the future! Behold the Thalmor! Don't you see? Elven supremacy is the only way! Can't wait to debate with you
User avatar #258 to #206 - roflsaucer (12/18/2013) [-]
So psyched for ESO, 4/14/14. Aldmeri Dominion all the way.

I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of r34 with Queen Ayrenn.
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#60 to #51 - anon (12/17/2013) [-]
Is he a friend of general Tullius?
User avatar #89 to #46 - xgeneration (12/17/2013) [-]
I really want to play the game again now but something tells me I'll end up making the same decisions again.
User avatar #91 to #89 - Proximity (12/17/2013) [-]
I make a character's personality before I start to make it more interesting.
Get into character

Essence of a role-playing game.
User avatar #54 to #46 - heartlessrobot (12/17/2013) [-]
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User avatar #77 to #46 - Nachodip (12/17/2013) [-]
If you can do the everything the Dragonborn can, I'm pretty sure the Thalmore couldnt do **** about it.
User avatar #83 to #46 - legamethatyoulost (12/17/2013) [-]
Not choosing a side and negotiating peace master race
#266 to #83 - anon (12/18/2013) [-]
Murdering everyone including essentials and children with a mod then ruling over the vast untamed wasteland I have created like a monster master race.
User avatar #203 to #46 - commontroll (12/18/2013) [-]
But the Empire is not the same Empire from Obliivion. It's only Cyrodil, Skyrim, and High Rock. While it may be better for the Empire for Skyrim to be with them, it is not better for Skyrim, nor Tamriel. The Empire is simply acting as a puppet government for a genocidal tyranny.

Skyrim's people get their strength in their passion. Living under the Thalmor will kill the passion of many, who will then believe they have been abandoned and that they have lost. Some will still fight, but only a few.
User avatar #61 to #46 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
So wait, if the rest of Tamriel had a need to go against the High Eves, you're telling me they WOULDN'T have the support of an entire independent country of free men who would see the need in fighting the Dominion?

Seems to me all that'd have to happen is the new emperor (RIP) visit the new high king of Skyrim, Ulfric Stormcloak, and ask him for support in another war with the exact same motivation as the one he fought in his own homeland.

Seems to me that if Ulfric's true motivation for fighting for Skyrim was that men would be free from the tyranny of the Aldmiri Dominion, he'd be more than happy to help. He'd be fighting for all of Tamriel to be as free as he made Skyrimand given the fact that he's a veteran, he'd be more than just a key player.
User avatar #66 to #61 - Proximity (12/17/2013) [-]
A very good point, but the war for independence is a very costly one.

Consider, if you will, the length of time between the civil war and the future war against the Dominion. It goes without saying that the new Emperor, whoever that may be, will not charge immediately at the Dominion. We know what happened the first time they fought the Dominion, we don't need to have that happen again, when the Empire is only just recovering from war.

Now think about the perspective of the Aldmeri Dominion, and it's ruling body, the Thalmor.
They are fairly strong and capable. With Skyrim being an independent nation, the Dominion knows it's only a matter of time before a new war begins. It's far too obvious. Skyrim fought to be independent because they refused to obey the Aldmeri Dominion. War is inevitable.
So what seems like the proper course of action?
Quickly make arrangements to speak diplomatically with Ulfric Stormcloak, High King of independent Skyrim. Major losses and costs are on them after their war, Ulfric knows he can't fight again right away.

The Dominion then lays down heavy conditions in a peace treaty with this new nation. Ulfric accepts, and the people hate him for going against his words so immediate after being crowned. Ulfric declines, and the Aldmeri Dominion uses force to crush Skyrim while it's still weak.

And the Empire? You think the Empire will save Skyrim? You think they'll break the treaty they have and start a new war while they are weaker than they were in the first one? No! That's insane! An independent Skyrim is the death of Skyrim.
User avatar #79 to #66 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
For one, Ulfric wouldn't accept any terms given by the Thalmor. He wouldn't based on his own personal principles, let alone have to care about how others see him. He wouldn't even let the Thalmor sit in on peace treaty negotiations back when the dragons were an issue. Chances are if any such thing like that happens, what would happen is Ulfric would meet the party before they got anywhere close to Windhelm with a friendly "How dare you set foot on free land?"

Now I won't even pretend to be an expert on predicting how a war would go based on just looking at the armies. I'm not that good a military tactician, but I can pretend to be just for the sake of argument. It's true that the rest of the empire probably wouldn't be that eager to help Skyrim if the Thalmor occupied it. Just look at the United States in WWII. It took a bunch of planes running into our ships to get us in. One would hope Ulfric has the wisdom to understand this, and if he's serious about his fight, the fortitude to do something to get the empire on his side. Remember, to, that the dark brotherhood did also just get back on its feet again...)

Meanwhile, in the rest of the empire, Skyrim will have given at least some motivation to other potential revolutionary parties. To think that 100% of the rest of the empire is 100% on board with the Thalmor is just silly. There's a good chunk of us in the states that aren't even happy with our own government, and that's just on the grounds that he's a different political party. The Thalmor are trying to control religion through torture and absolute control. There are going to be dissidents. Than it's just a matter of time before it becomes a PR issue for the new emperor to have to choose a side. He can talk about not getting involved due to breaking the White-Gold concordat, and thus risking the loss of peace through war, but lets face it...war is inevitable.
User avatar #204 to #79 - commontroll (12/18/2013) [-]
Don't forget all the nations that aren't in the Empire any more. With Skyrim out, it's only High Rock and Cyrodil. Hammerfell actually beat the Thalmor out of their nation. So the Redguards and the Nords will fight together, many of the Bosmer hate the Thalmor due to "regular purges" of the Bosmer population. So already the Aldmeri Dominion has two nations against it, and one of its own nations filled with those willing to fight against them, as well as in Sommerset Islands, the Thalmor are not supported, not fully anyway.

The Khajiit will fight as well, and if the Nords helped the Dark Elves reclaim Morrowind from the Argonians, then that would be yet another kingdom coming to their aid.

And that's assuming that High Rock doesn't also leave the Empire.

So, I'd say it's definitely feasible.
User avatar #284 to #204 - skaffanl (12/18/2013) [-]
Also, according to NPC's the Hero of Morrowind went to Akavir and has never returned. As he is immortal because of corprus/corpus he could very well still be alive just waiting for his day to rule Tamriel. Maybe he's persuading those demons from Kamal to wreck some **** up. I mean, I just like to hope that the Hero of Morrowind will some day return.
User avatar #78 to #61 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
the thalmor attacks skyrim pretty much right after you win with the stormcloaks, besides, there are tons of documents in game that shows that ulfric is just a thalmor puppet theyre using to split the empire and conquer it piece by piece
User avatar #87 to #78 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
It seems that their goals were more in favor of the war continually going on, given the very last entry of a Stormcloak victory "to be avoided." What's more is they even admitted that Ulfric was becoming unpredictable. To say that Ulfric was going to gain Skyrim's independence just to hand it over to the Thalmor "just as planned" is also silly since he'd be shot on the spot. The Nords are all about honor and integrity, and aren't above killing their own brethren if they feel these values are lost in them, which would be the case if Ulfric did any sort of negotiations with the Thalmor that looked like it'd end in the Thalmor's favor.

If the point is that Skyrim would be financially weak after the war, that much is true, but then it just becomes the same political shenanigans I discussed below.
User avatar #95 to #87 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
never implied that he would hand it over, although splitting up and having a big war is pretty much the same thing as handing it over, i mean the thalmor were stronger than the empire before the war, and now both sides are weakened and independent.
also most people in the game says that ulfric is just doing this for power/being king, not for values.
the avoided part is probably cause the big lunk doesnt know hes being manipulated and would kill their messagers
User avatar #100 to #95 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Do you remember how the States won their own independence despite having the same odds?
User avatar #104 to #100 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
also that is more like the fight between skyrim and the empire without the thalmor threat looming over them, maybe if there was like germany and france in a union threatening them it would be similiar
User avatar #106 to #104 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
implying the empire would automatically join the fight on the side of the thalmor.
User avatar #113 to #106 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
i was implying they wouldnt help skyrim, not join the thalmor
User avatar #125 to #113 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Even better for Skyrim then.
User avatar #128 to #125 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
no, it means skyrim is pretty much alone, and will get shafted like crazy
User avatar #132 to #128 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
I already explained the political shenanigans behind it, though. The stress will eventually be put on the empire to help SOMEBODY, and then it's just a matter of who they choose to help.
User avatar #134 to #132 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
except when this happens skyrim will get ********** during the time the negotiations take place
User avatar #137 to #134 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
How so? We can't assume what side the empire would take.
User avatar #139 to #137 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
it wouldnt break its peace with thalmor in order to save ulfric and his skyrim, it needs time to build connections and recuperate
User avatar #147 to #139 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
The thing is that the whole point of the whole thing was that the Thalmor have Skyrim all to themselves, meaning the Emperor would hopefully realize that the choice is either war with the Thalmor, or eventual war with the Thalmor. There's the option for peace between skyrim and the Thalmor, which we established wouldn't happen.
User avatar #150 to #147 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
but the empire is all about eventual war with the thalmor, thats why they agreed to abolish talos worship
User avatar #157 to #150 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Yes, they're trying to prevent it, which would mean that it makes sense for them not to go against the Thalmor in the eventual fight with Skyrim, but any leader thinking that it'd stop at Skyrim is ignorant as hell. Both the Empire and the Thalmor know that the Concordat is flimsy as hell, and either side would know that the other side knows this as well. It's one of the reasons the Thalmor wanted the war int he first place. Any Emperor who doesn't notice the issues with any conflict between the Thalmor and Skyrim would just be dooming his own people.
User avatar #158 to #157 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
another reason ulfric winning would be bad, it would start of the war far to soon
User avatar #312 to #158 - lolollo (12/18/2013) [-]
Everyone's ****** . I mean...war is coming...
User avatar #313 to #312 - admiralen ONLINE (12/18/2013) [-]
thats the fun part of prophecies and elder scrolls, some epic ***** bound to show up and make it a blast
User avatar #192 to #158 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
They wouldn't send warriors they'd send government officials to overlook the process. "We'll take care of the politics while you rebuild your government." It wouldn't be a fast process, but it certainly would end up in the Thalmor's favor somehow. They'd start out small, simply enforcing rules that favor the Thalmor mindset, then start forming laws that "keep the peace" even though they're simply in support of the Thalmor. All the while discreetly making it harder for the actual government to actually get back on its feet. Hell, I wouldn't even put it past them to ensure an "accident" befalls anyone who comes into power that isn't on cahoots with the Thalmor know..."those pesky revolutionaries must not be all gone. We'll take care of it."

And it's not like they wouldn't have anybody to put into power in favor of the Thalmor. You remember that guy at the Embassy party...
User avatar #310 to #192 - admiralen ONLINE (12/18/2013) [-]
true i suppose, but both options mean the empire is ******
User avatar #186 to #158 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Well they wouldn't do that, they'd simply volunteer to overlook construction "as a gesture of good faith."
User avatar #188 to #186 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
even then you would have to do actual construction work beneficial to the empire in order to pull that off, they wouldnt accept blatant warriors
User avatar #182 to #158 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Supposedly the plan was to launch a direct assault on the empire from Skyrim, since they only needed one more thing to their advantage to have any war that would break out end in their favor. It's like how the Nazi party intended to claim enough small parts until they eventually had a formidable enough chunk of political power to take on anyone.
User avatar #183 to #182 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
thats true, but again, them starting to move armies in to skyrim would pretty much be a declaration of war, the empire isnt all that good with the shady stuff, but even they would be able to see them moving armies
User avatar #175 to #158 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Except that they wouldn't be able to use Skyrim's resources. Do you still not see that the Thalmor were counting on the war to leave the local government weak enough for a discreet political takeover? The Thalmor would own Skyrim instead of an independent government, meaning they'd be without it regardless.
User avatar #176 to #175 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
that depends, the thalmor cant really fully take over skyrim while the empire controls, they might steer some things from the shadows, but they cant stop the empire without doing direct ****
User avatar #170 to #158 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Had the empire won, though, they'd end up just as weak since the entire point would be the Thalmor occupying Skyrim. The end result is of no net difference to how weak the empire is. They'd still be without skyrim, only instead of a potential ally owning skyrim, it's who they'd be fighting against.
User avatar #171 to #170 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
thats why i call ulfric a retard, its really not the time to have a civil war.
but even then its still preferable for the empire to win, since they can still utilize skyrims resources while if ulfric wins theyre kicked out completely
User avatar #163 to #158 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Except that the Thalmor were counting on the Empire winning so they could occupy it with little to no resistance under the guise of "rebuilding" it when in actuality they intend to fully rule the area for the Thalmor. Ulfric being in charge means that the Thalmor will have to wade through politics, and eventual war just to get to that step.
User avatar #165 to #163 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
ulfric winning means a severely weakened empire, an easily conquerably nation and a way to force the empire to break the peace treaty
User avatar #102 to #100 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
except skyrim is a backwards tard country that basically have no mages
User avatar #105 to #102 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
mages aren't automatically better than everyone else simply because they're mages. They have weaknesses just like everyone else.
User avatar #112 to #105 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
true, but mages are insanely useful if you know decent tactics, theyve got tons of aoe that warriors, rogues and archers simply cant keep up with, also skyrim doesnt really have the highest population, which cant counter the aldmeri dominion which has atleast three whole races backing it
User avatar #124 to #112 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Three whole races backing it? The Nords hate them, the orcs hate everyone who isn't them, the Wood Elves are neutral, leaning towards a hate of the Thalmor, nobody likes the Argonians or the Dark Elves, and the Imperials/Bretons are more at a reluctant truce than at agreement.
User avatar #127 to #124 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
none of them have done anything so far, and the target of the thalmor atm is just skyrim and the empire
User avatar #130 to #127 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Yeah but chances are it's going to be the thalmor against Skyrim with the eventual help of the empire in favor of the nords.
User avatar #131 to #130 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
a damaged split empire that couldnt take on the thalmor before its war with skyrim
User avatar #135 to #131 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Then it's just a matter of another war breaking out between the Thalmor and everyone else. I'm not saying that the Thalmor would definitely lose, just that we can't make the assumption they'd win.
User avatar #138 to #135 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
im saying that the empire and skyrim are pretty much ****** either way thanks to ulfrics retarded war, if the empire wins their peace with the thalmor will atleast allow them to recuperate and maybe get more allies, if ulfric wins skyrim gets shafted pretty much instantly since its not part of the white gold concordat
User avatar #145 to #138 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
If the goal is that the Thalmor don't eventually rule the entire world, then the Emperor would want to take Ulfric's side, assuming he's not an idiot. Besides, the empire in Skyrim would be just as weakened from the war, only they'd be legally bound to follow the Thalmor, especially given the fact that the entire plan was that Ulfric weaken the empire through the war, lose, and then the Thalmor come in to "provide support" which would be fancy speak for "occupy" where they'd then be able to apply their agenda to the entire region, thus gaining the upper hand over the empire. The Stormcloaks winning means the Thalmor would have to do everything to include declare war just to get close to doing that.
User avatar #149 to #145 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
declare war on an independant state that is at war with the empire.
also the empire is pretty ****** up in its leading structure as well (thank you dragon born) since the emperor and the next in line were both assassinated
User avatar #152 to #149 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
They didn't declare war on the empire, they fought for their Independence, which they got, meaning there was no longer any sort of war with the empire. When the .states won their independence from Britain, they stopped fighting with Britain. Declaring war on somebody suggests that you no longer want them, or their ideals, to exist anymore. This was about independence, meaning they simply didn't want them on their land subjugating their people. Once that was achieved, there was no quarrel to be had with the Empire. The only quarrel after that would be if the Empire still wanted Skyrim under its command.
User avatar #153 to #152 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
decapitating tullius is pretty much the message that they disaprove of the empire
User avatar #185 to #153 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Well that's just it, if it's that embedded in the culture, no one would think anything of it, let alone anything negative. It'd take a philosopher to challenge those ideals to put it in everyone's heads. I'm not saying it wouldn't happen. In fact, I wouldn't put it past the
Thalmor to think that sort of thing up. I'm saying that it most likely would have to happen in order for anyone to think that kind of thing up.
User avatar #178 to #153 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
Well like I said, I didn't agree with it myself, but a thought process like that would have probably been new, and revolutionary as well. Maybe it's commonplace to kill the
general of an army you conquer, like going to the dentist.
User avatar #181 to #178 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
sure, but it also shows you arent willing to let bygones be bygones
User avatar #173 to #153 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
The reason it could be a cultural thing is that sending him home could simply be sending him to the same fate. Maybe the punishment for your army losing a war is execution. It's a stretch, but look at other parts of the culture. The empire's willing to kill you just because you may have maybe been tangentially related to an incident that might have caused them harm...maybe.
User avatar #174 to #173 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
true, but its about them executing him, its a sign of good faith atleast showing that you have been beaten fair and square but we dont hate you, to send him home. just killing him shows spite and shows they want absolutely nothing to do with the empire
User avatar #166 to #153 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
It could also be that General Tullius lost the war, making him unfit to be a political leader.

You know, "Captain goes down with his ship" and all that.
User avatar #167 to #166 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
even so its killing a man you should send home in defeat
User avatar #160 to #153 - lolollo (12/17/2013) [-]
I agree that killing either side's leader is just ridiculous, but that's probably more due to the culture than anything politically charged.
User avatar #162 to #160 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
true, but its a sign that they dont want anything to do with the empire and its kind, thus showing they wont co operated with the empire in any way
#120 to #112 - anon (12/17/2013) [-]
well stormcloaks wouldnt be alone in the fight against thalmor.. what about hammerfell? they already stand against the thalmor and have been quite effective. However since the empire renounced them as a province they are not keen to work with the empire. So independent skyrim + hammerfell = profit. oh and that aoe dmg? how about a dragonborn on the front lines with the support of a dragon he summons. And since the dragonborn ends up as the strongest voice in mundus he might be able to bring more than 1 dragon to the fight. so lets see here: Hammerfell the country that has proven through the years that they have some of the best armies. add a tough nord army to that and throw in a bunch of dragons. i dont think the thalmor are that much of a threat anymore..... oh and the last strong emperor was one of dragonblood so how about we vote dragonborn for emperor?
User avatar #122 to #120 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
also, they were getting whooped even when they were co operating, so now when they are weakened and split apart theyre pretty ******
User avatar #121 to #120 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
except the dragonborn is just one man, and hammerfell is effiecient cause they fight on their own turf
#141 to #121 - fbfislife (12/17/2013) [-]
hammerfell isnt just strong on its own turf its very society is based on war ever redguard has been trained in martial skills and they have a long history of war. They werent that strong in the great war because of the two ruling houses fighting each other. but now they have been working together to fight the thalmor. bolster them with nords and you can take the fight to them. And yea dragonborn is 1 man but he can summon dragons and they seem to have quite the numbers. plus lets not forget that the Dominion got an advantage by suprising the empire. before the emperor even knew what hit him he already lost valenwood en elsweyr. this time its pretty clear who the enemy is. And an independent skyrim could also make an negotiator for hammerfell and the empire since they know the empire can be strong and they respect them for that they also know that the empire made terrible decisions. both the Aldmeri army and the Legions were mostly destroyed at the end of the great war. and the Dominion is good at playing in the shadows but countries like skyrim and hammerfell are more militairistic and will rebuild armies quicker. pfff i actually logged in for this.
User avatar #148 to #141 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
dragons kind of suck in this world though, the only reason you need the dragonborn is because hes the only one that can finish them off, but other people can just shoot them down no problem
#159 to #148 - fbfislife (12/17/2013) [-]
except that in skyrim its all the humans attacking one dragon. dragons are a nightmare in a battlefield. try to hold a formation while this giant lizard swoops down and sets your fellow soldiers on fire. and while the Dominion soldiers are dousing the flames and trying to shoot down that dragon the redguards, nords and maybe imperials are not just going to stand by and watch the fireworks. so they focus on 1 thing and because of that they get killed by the other. and like you said yourself only the dragonborn can kill them. so even if they arent super strong they are infinite and they can simply keep going while the elves cant replenish their numbers quick enough. or dont use them on a battlefield but let them burn everything behind enemy lines. no supplies for the soldiers. forts get weakend before an army actually arrives. and come on the dragonborn might kill every dragon with ease but i have seen many men die by the fire of a ancient or revered dragon.
User avatar #161 to #159 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
although, the dragons do seem like they need help getting back to life though, also even if hes unbeatable he can only be at one battlefield at a time, so the thalmor basically lose one out of a thousand battles
#177 to #161 - fbfislife (12/17/2013) [-]
they dont need dragons for every battle. the warriors of hammerfell and skyrim combined is already a force to be reckoned with. But! lets not forget the empire. sure they might throw a tantrum about losing skyrim. But if we have seen one thing in the great war is that the empire is willing to set aside its pride. so it would have to admit skyrim is right etc. and then im sure the nords are more than willing to let the imperials join the club. with that also come the many battlemages of high rock and the guerilla fighters of black marsh. Im not saying the empire is all bad in fact i never really liked ulfric but he is a neccesary evil. But independent skyrim can get hammerfell back in the game and form a bridge between them and the empire. and you talk like the Dominion is this superior army but theyr not. in fact they got beaten the crap out of them after the element of suprise was gone. soo yea thalmor get wrecked on the frontlines by humans while dragons burn the lands they try to defend. gg wp. the only reason i choose stormcloaks above imperials is because the imperials have simply lost the trust of the other provinces and so it is best if they would take a step back instead of expecting to be the leader when they just got their ass suprised. im sure in the end some great emperor will reunite the human races and form a new great empire. But at this time with the thalmor rebuilding they will have to rule with the other provinces not rule over them.
User avatar #179 to #177 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
except ulfric is a racist piece of **** who would never try to get/accept any help except for nord help
#184 to #179 - fbfislife (12/17/2013) [-]
ulfric is an icon, a hero to the nord people. Galmar is the one that will plan the wars and he maybe a little racist but hes not blind. Galmar wants the thalmor dead any means neccesary.
User avatar #187 to #184 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
yeah, but ulfric will have power over his choices in the end, and ulfric the dumbass doesnt accept neutrality, so he will probably do something retarded like demanding their obedience and when it fails he will try to invade others than the thalmor
#194 to #187 - fbfislife (12/17/2013) [-]
surely he will demand some sort of gesture that would represent an apology but he wouldnt want to rule the empire because then he would have to get his ass out of skyrim. and ulfric might not listen to alot of people but people like galmar or the dragonborn will easily persuade him with the goal of destroying the thalmor. besides the emperor has been killed. In a time of crisis having dragonblood is enough reason to make an attempt on the ruby throne. people would see the dragonborn as some kind of second Tiber septim. and if the dragonborn/stormblade would lead the empire i dont think ulfric would be against working with the empire. and that is a proces of a few years where everyone will be busy rebuilding armies. And if the thalmor would decide to act first they would force the empire to make quick decisions and that would only make it easier to ascend to the throne or make a treaty between the empire and skyrim.
User avatar #311 to #194 - admiralen ONLINE (12/18/2013) [-]
i think youre over estimating ulfric here, the only reason he ever succeded with anything was because he has decent subordinates.
hes just a greedy powerhungry asshole, i doubt he would allow a subordinate take over the ruby throne
User avatar #84 to #78 - zomaru (12/17/2013) [-]
It's clear they want him dead, and want the empire to reign weakened.

Ulfric winning skyrim would ensure its stability and any attempt by the thalmore would be met with a drawn out but sure victory for Skyrim.
User avatar #86 to #84 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
it would ensure its unprotected and thus easily conquered, especially after a huge war with the empire most of the great warriors dead
User avatar #92 to #86 - zomaru (12/17/2013) [-]
No, you are amusing that the Empire would be cast from the land.
The civil war is between Skyrim either Coexisting with the empire or being consumed by it.
If Skyrim was attacked, The empire would surly fight right along side with the Skyrim Militia.
User avatar #96 to #92 - admiralen ONLINE (12/17/2013) [-]
not after getting shafted by ulfric and having their generals killed, i know the empire are smart but they wont take that sitting down, besides ulfric is a retard so he would probably not accept their help anyway.
#49 - senkard (12/17/2013) [-]
Talos' influence knows no bounds
#5 - schnizel (12/17/2013) [-]
Daily reminder
User avatar #164 to #5 - nervaaurelius (12/17/2013) [-]
I just realized the people in the pic aren't white.
User avatar #279 to #164 - schnizel (12/18/2013) [-]
It's not about destruction of races, but preservation of their uniqueness.
#190 - xxthekeexx (12/17/2013) [-]
Whats happening in the comments right now.
User avatar #291 to #190 - wellimnotsure (12/18/2013) [-]
Long live the Dominion
User avatar #216 to #190 - mrgreatnamess (12/18/2013) [-]
I have no idea what I'm looking at
User avatar #219 to #216 - obsidicus (12/18/2013) [-]
it's the factions for Elder Scrolls online. Three races make up each faction.
User avatar #245 to #219 - heartlessrobot (12/18/2013) [-]
I just looked it up, and they make zero sense. Nords and Dumner despise each other (Nords hate everyone anyways), Bosmer and Khajiit are old, bitter enemies, and Bretons would never side with Orcs.
User avatar #290 to #245 - wellimnotsure (12/18/2013) [-]
someone doesnt know his lore very well
#285 to #245 - anon (12/18/2013) [-]
The Altmer went and "recovered the moons", and that's why the khajiit tolerate the bosmer.

And this isn't new lore, either.
User avatar #259 to #245 - roflsaucer (12/18/2013) [-]
ESO takes place somewhere in 2E, Skyrim is in 4E. Also, as far as I can tell the alliances are either more out of necessity than friendship, or hostilities between most of the races hasn't begun yet. The Aldmeri Dominion is actually my favorite so far.
User avatar #293 to #259 - wellimnotsure (12/18/2013) [-]
Online is roughly 900-1000 years before the events of skyrim
User avatar #246 to #245 - obsidicus (12/18/2013) [-]
don't forget that the dark elves used to use the Argonians as slave labor (they might still be doing that, I can't remember)
User avatar #247 to #246 - heartlessrobot (12/18/2013) [-]
Well, I think it's supposed to be 1000 years after Skyrim, so things could change.
User avatar #250 to #247 - obsidicus (12/18/2013) [-]
i think it's actually set in the 2nd era (way before skyrim).
User avatar #252 to #250 - heartlessrobot (12/18/2013) [-]
Oh. Whatever, I'm waiting for Elderscrolls 6. I hope it takes place in Elsweyr or something. Or all of Tamriel, that'd be cool. Maybe at some point you find another continent. But first I'd like to kick the **** out of the Aldmeri Dominion.
#93 - ilovextc (12/17/2013) [-]
jewish nazi ****** is always relevant
#231 - leebobo (12/18/2013) [-]
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#39 - IshimelofSomewhere (12/17/2013) [-]
The thalmor are to the aldmeri dominion what the nazis were to germany, a political minority that took advantage of the situation to take control of the nation and then violently crushed dissent. There is a book in the game called "flight from the thalmore" which basicly explains this. Therefor you could have a highelf who hates the thalmore without having any conflict of interest (like Einstein and the nazis)
User avatar #45 to #39 - enteroreninenine (12/17/2013) [-]
Einstien was also jewish tho
just sayin
User avatar #52 to #45 - IshimelofSomewhere (12/17/2013) [-]
he was also a german who fled germany because of him being jewish and nazies being in power so my analogy still fits. Him working against the german state was never called into question because of this.
User avatar #14 - biscuitsunited (12/17/2013) [-]
********** , i hold you responsible for this joke.
User avatar #97 to #74 - biscuitsunited (12/17/2013) [-]
DAMN YOU ********** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#239 - mayoroftownsville (12/18/2013) [-]
You look more like a dark elf.
User avatar #242 to #239 - heartlessrobot (12/18/2013) [-]
I was thinking Redguard.
User avatar #214 - mikepetru (12/18/2013) [-]
That's what people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts look like, too.
#263 to #214 - olafthebard (12/18/2013) [-]
I love you sir, Che was a scumbag.
User avatar #289 to #263 - wellimnotsure (12/18/2013) [-]
you are insulting scumbags with that statement
User avatar #67 - dragontamers (12/17/2013) [-]
I find that the Stormcloaks are more in the right than the Imperials, sure the racism needs a little work.
User avatar #99 to #67 - goodguygary (12/17/2013) [-]
how are the stormcloaks more in the right than the empire? i've played it from both sides and i feel both parties are in their respective ways in the wrong, and have been wronged by the other side too
User avatar #90 to #67 - viscerys (12/17/2013) [-]
The Imperials are trying to stop the Thalmor. A united Empire has the ability to defeat the Thalmor. The Stormcloaks are nothing but racist pigs.
User avatar #261 - hasanaat (12/18/2013) [-]
Explanation: The guy is just a really dark Hindu and Hindu's and Buddhists (both share similar beliefs) use the swastika as a sign of piece. Hitler and his accomplices did not create the symbol.
#283 to #261 - kmichel (12/18/2013) [-]
It's tilted at 45 degrees from the Hindu symbol, and has a red background so this is a swastika. I bet this guy in OP's picture wears the shirt just so he can feel superior as he lectures people about the Hindu symbol.
#37 - include (12/17/2013) [-]
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#35 - willindor (12/17/2013) [-]
That guy probably lost a bet or something.
That guy probably lost a bet or something.
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