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User avatar #2140 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Now, I want to convince you why we need more Jungian psychology in the world than we need Freudian. Freud basically built the psychiatric systems we have in place today. He used cocaine because he thought that introducing chemicals to your consciousness was the only thing that could cure patients, so that has built up how we treat psychiatric problems today. By quetiapine, sertraline and so on. I think this is a fundamental mistakes.

Lets face it. Most diseases are complexes or personality disorders (e.gn transsexuality, homosexuality, dissociative identity disorder, borderline disorder and fill me in on if there are more). I don't actually think that chemicals in the brain are everything when it comes to life. I believe complexes are tied to our soul, rather than our physical mind. If the soul is not used as it is supposed to be (creating, exploring, experiencing) one develops an inferiority complex due to the lack of personal individuality. We are created to be individuals and not to be conforming, yet, this mass conforming to various things is like a psychosis.
User avatar #2199 to #2140 - indone (06/30/2014) [-]
Damn. I really ducked this one up. Embarrassing
User avatar #2214 to #2199 - teoberry (06/30/2014) [-]
>ducked up
That made me puke in my mouth a bit. It's a word. It's not gonna hurt anyone you pussy.
#2143 to #2140 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
"Now, I want to convince you why we need more Jungian psychology in the world than we need Freudian"
>Proceeds to ramble incoherently, unknowingly of psychology's evolution and when the cocaine method was dropped, and how it doesn't relate to the current drug scene in clinical psychology.
>Labels homosexuality as a "disease/personality disorder/complex"
>Science and facts board
>"Let's talk about our soul"
>wat is psychosis (yes i know the definition, but psychosis has very clear symptoms and patterns, none of which can be applied to a mass society, so save up your "it's a loss of touch with reality)

Is this what universities are teaching now? When I strudied psych it wasn't great, but we weren't this fucked up either.
User avatar #2146 to #2143 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Problem is that we are looking in the wrong places. Everybody is dead set on that we are simply made out of matter.
#2148 to #2146 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
No we are not. But until you can give me facts to the soul, then it's useless to discuss about it. We work with what we can. If you tell a surgeon there's a magical healing orb in the centre of the sun, then he obviously will want to work with that, but we can't attain it, so we stick to what we've got.
User avatar #2150 to #2148 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
What if you have faith? You need faith in all other areas of life. Why not have faith in the soul just because? What harm can cone out of that? We barely know anything about complexes, except that it holds our subconscious desires. Therefore creating the roles in our lives. For example, I am some random idiot to you, but to me I am smart. Which is fine, as long as you don't act on what it negatively.

Our society is solely focused on the lowest step of the pyramid of needs that maszlow made.
#2153 to #2150 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
You need faith. In recovery, in treatment, in therapy, in people and in your capacity. Those are things you see and deal with every day, you see fail, and you see succeed. The soul? I've never seen it. I've never heard it. I've never treated with it. Does it exist? Maybe. But I don't know how to treat a soul, so I treat people. I don't know what therapy a soul needs, so I give therapy to people. Do slip pills work on a soul? I don't know. Does a soul benefit from stress balls? I don't know. Does a soul need to vent? Who the fuck knows, but people do, so I treat them.
User avatar #2145 to #2143 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
I know what psychosis is. The religion of money is a psychosis.
#2151 to #2145 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
Does "the religion of money" cause hallucinations? No.
Does it cause catatonia? No.
Is the "religion of money" tied to other common disorders? no, because everyone has it and not everyone has disorders.
Does it cause delusions? Secondary ones, yeah, not strong enough to be diagnosed.
Does it interfere with thought? Philosophically yes, scientifically no.
Is the "religion of money" most commonly tied to drug use? No, because everyone has it but less than half of the population consumes drug on the capacity that ties them to a psychotic disorder.

It is not a psychosis.
User avatar #2158 to #2151 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
What if I want to improve upon the concept of psychosis?
User avatar #2157 to #2151 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
The religion of money is tied to inferiority/superiority complexes which are really dangerous, so yes.
#2159 to #2157 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
Losing a bit of sleep is not insommnia, therefore, not another disorder.
Inferiority and superiority complexes, dangerous things, usually not a mental disorder, can be treated with therapy in even the most extreme of cases. Usually secondary ones, however, so again, it can't be treated as a sympton.
And how do you plan to improve the concept? We've got symptoms, we've got treatments, we've got common correlations and causations for the disorder, we've got even many different types of psychotic disorders.
Your big contribution is gonna be what? "I said this thing that can't be called psychotic disorder is, so take it and tell me I'm smart"? Where's the research. Where's the terms? Where are the symptons? Where are the correlation and causations? Where are the term definitions? Your only argument is "I said so, I'm smart, whoever contradicts me is wrong".
User avatar #2162 to #2159 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
What do you mean by secondary?
#2163 to #2162 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
... You call yourself a psychologist yet you don't even know how to categorise hallucinations and delusions? m8, you really need to go to a better school and sue your psych teacher because he's ripping you off
User avatar #2166 to #2163 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
I.. don't go to school. School is an effective creativity ans curiosity murderer. I find those to be virtues to live by, therefore, I consider school as overall detrimental to the well beingof the sstudents AND teachers. Which, to me, is insane since rveryones miserable by their own fucking doing.
#2169 to #2166 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
... Well then youre shit at reading, because anyone whos spent 10 minutes on wikipedia or any other site would understand what a fucking psychosis is and the history of clinical psychology with much more depth than you do
User avatar #2171 to #2169 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Why so aggressive? I'm trying to learn here and prune flaws from my mental world. Shiuldnt you be happy that I'm showing interest in a science that almost solely focuses on how to attain well being? It's unpleasant to.read these insults.
#2172 to #2171 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
No, because you are not trying to learn, you come here presenting "stone" facts and diagnosing a grave disorder to the entire human populous when its horribly obvious you havent even passed the second line on the wikipedia article on the matter
User avatar #2175 to #2172 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
I believe psychosis can take on different levels of severity. Or would that be addiction? Cause, I imagine that being addicted IS a form of psychosis. Sounds logical enough
#2177 to #2175 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
Being addicted is not a form of psychosis. An adiction is a phisiological or psychological drive to replicate stimuli derived from certain activities. A psychosis is a mind not in denial, but in plain desynchronised with reality. They may come together but they are not related. So no, it is not logical, at all.
User avatar #2179 to #2177 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Damn son. They really got to you.
#2180 to #2179 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
"They got to you" says as he plunders knowledge so simple he could acquire it within 10 minutes of reading any article on the matter, he who does not know the symptoms of addiction or psychosis, nor does understand the medical definition of either. He who cannot fathom what a secondary dellusion is even though he claims to study pshychology.
User avatar #2182 to #2180 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Epistemology. How do you know which one of us are right?
#2183 to #2182 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
Because I'm the only one who's arguing psychology based on psychologic theory. The only thing you've said this whole time is "If you disagree with me is because you are too dumb to understand" or "Eye of the beholder". The problem is, you are diagnosing established diseases with established symtoms and established behaviour patterns when it's very obvious you don't know any of them. And you're relating two different types of disorders and saying "one is just a version of the other" with no foundation. You're just talking out of your arse and saying "eh, it's my perspective" with absolutely nothing to back you up. Shit dude, do the world a favor and at least read the entire wikipedia article before pretending you know about it.
User avatar #2184 to #2183 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
That's how you interpret it. I don't believe you're dumb, you're just not at my level yet as I spend hours at end thinking about these concepts and their implications.
#2185 to #2184 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
I've been practicing psychology for two years. And you say you've spent hours thinking bullshit as if that concedes you any authority that even I don't have. you try to rewrite medical cannon by sheer force of "i said so" and have no understanding of how symtoms or diagnosis of diseases work. The only thing you seem to know is the larouse, one sentence long definition of these complex psychological issues you're mutilating left and right.
User avatar #2186 to #2185 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
That tells me nothing. If you've been asking the wrong questions, you don't stand a chance of being right. I believe Jung is actually the way to go in this case and not so much Freud
User avatar #2161 to #2159 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
No, but I'm saying we STILL have this social psychosis that we are SO dependent on external stimuli in the form of chemicals to sleep, which is incredibly dangerous
#2164 to #2161 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
It is not a psychosis, a psychosis doesn't mean a bad thing, a psychotic disorder has symptoms, none of which are there
User avatar #2165 to #2164 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Psychosis: lack of touch with reality aka the collective unconscious
#2167 to #2165 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
The collective unconscius is a theory. It is not stone fact, therefore you cannot lose touch with it.
Again, I fucking told you, give me the symptoms. If all you've got is a diccionary definition instead of the medical symptoms of a psychotic disorder to prove your retarded point, then it doesn't hold any water because you're arguing semantics not medicine. Give me the symptoms of a "social psychosis" because of "the religion of money". Give me symptoms, give me facts, give me medical reasoning.

Don't just say "I believe this, other people do, everyone who doesn't is a loss of touch with reality, therefore they have a psychosis even though they don't present symptoms and are not denying any stone facts".
User avatar #2168 to #2167 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
So, you are one of those fact guys? Which personality does that fit under now again? I forget
#2170 to #2168 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
Yes i need facts because i can diagnose a psychotic disorder to the entire human population
not just some dude who says "i believe this, you don't, by semantics that means you are psychotic"
User avatar #2174 to #2170 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
And no. I'm talking about where they believe it to the point that they NEED it in order to function as human beings which is quite depressing actually.
#2176 to #2174 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
You said you believe its a fact. The rest of people dont. Therefore, by semantics, you are diagnosing them with a psychotic disorder without presenting any symtom, except a very loose interpretation of the diccionary definition of a psychosis.
User avatar #2178 to #2176 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Wow. Are you autistic? You lack the capability to truly think outside of the framework of already existing psychiatry. Mostly Freud, I imagine? Because you are VERY stubborn and compulsively labeling my behaviour and thoughts. Also, protip: Isaac Asimov: The Relativity of Wrong.
User avatar #2173 to #2170 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Well. It's very hard to actually extract hard facts like that on something like the collective unconscious, but I have fairly good reasons to believe in it which I will attempt to write down tomorrow as night is approachng wher I live. I know that just becausse a scientist is skilled in one area, it doesn't mean he's skillled in the other, that's probably something to do with dunning-kruger
User avatar #2156 to #2151 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Well.. inadvertently, it does. It causes people to lose sleep (how can I pay x and x and how will college fund x and x) which make people very tired and has a terrible toll on people's sleep. I will respond to your comment with various different comments.
User avatar #2144 to #2143 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Arthur Schopenhauer used to say that each individual takes the limits of his vision/cognition as the limit to the world. In other words, you haven't attained a high enough form of consciousness / studied enough to know.
#2147 to #2144 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
In other words "I am brilliant and you disagree with me, ergo you are dumb" great support of argument. There's this wonderful thing called wikipedia, read it for 15 minutes and half of your incoherencies will be erased. It's miles better than whatever backwater university youve been going to. But seriously, get into a better school, dude.
User avatar #2149 to #2147 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
School is an institution that creates illusions.. the illusion that we are fact memorizing machines... We are learners, thinkers and feelers. Do you think Aristotle went to school Einstein hated school.
#2152 to #2149 - anon (06/29/2014) [-]
Aristotle went to school, under Plato.
Einstein hated school because he outlearnt it, not because of the institution itself.
User avatar #2155 to #2152 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Exactly, under Plato, another great mind. Not under separate persons who have an incredible dissonance.
User avatar #2154 to #2152 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
I think it was both. He outlearnt it BECAUSE it was a defunct institution.
User avatar #2141 to #2140 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Oh, and significance, autonomy, purpose and mastery are also fundamental needs of the soul, none of which are being fulfilled in todays society
User avatar #2142 to #2141 - indone (06/29/2014) [-]
Nigeltheoutlaw. Looking forward to hearing your opinion on this. Also, we need human connection as closely as we can (e.g. sex, hugs, kisses, handshakes, high fives)
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