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#9920 - DamnJackieChan (02/08/2013) [-]
If God exists, why doesn't he allow other religious people who were good into heaven? he's just a dick? If they formed their own opinion, why did he let that opinion exist in their minds if he created it? Why wouldn't he want all of his "children" to succeed? Why did he create evil, lies, deception, etc.? To make people formulate their own opinions and be independent? If so, why punish them for doing what he wanted (forming their own opinion)? Why wouldn't he just keep angels in heaven and stay there instead of being a douche and letting his people die? Is he not all powerful or something? If so, then what other flaws does he have? I don't believe in God or anything but I was raised to and I always questioned it even though I went to a christian school
User avatar #10057 to #9920 - spamalope (02/08/2013) [-]
I personally believe that if you are good you can get into heaven, and God didn't create evil, he let us grow in our way. Whether someone became evil or sinful is their own fault.
User avatar #10037 to #9920 - eight (02/08/2013) [-]
The obvious answer is usually the right one.

God doesn't exist. Religion is a big scam. It is a scam that has been used for control, power, and wealth for thousands of years of human life. It is no different than politics, and at many times it WAS politics.
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User avatar #9970 to #9920 - kingnarnode (02/08/2013) [-]
tbh, I don't think there's anything one man can do to actually deserve an ETERNITY of torture and pain in hell
User avatar #9951 to #9920 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
God offers eternal life to everyone equally, all we have to do is ask for it from Jesus, since He's the one who made it available to us. No one is good, we're all sinners, so without Jesus' grace and generosity, we would all go to hell. God didn't create evil, evil is merely the absence of goodness, we we opted for when we turned away from God. He didn't give us free will because He wanted us to turn away from Him, but rather so that we could love Him of by our own choice. To love Him is to choose eternal life in heaven, to reject Him is to reject heaven, plain and simple. As for the last part of your inquiry, that falls under the category of "Why did God create life?" and we are not mentally or spiritually equipped to understand that reasoning.
User avatar #9977 to #9951 - reretzu (02/08/2013) [-]
But what about the billions of Buddhists and Hindus? For example?

They've grown up their entire lives being taught something different, and they believe just in much as our god as you believe in theirs (The Hindus that is) because they have just as much of a reason too, again, we can't prove or disprove any gods and therefore people will tend to believe in the one the thought was right, but that serves them an eternity in hell for believing what they were raised with, even though it's just as true as what you were raised with.
User avatar #9983 to #9977 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
Those raised without access to the Gospel are not victims of God, but victims of humans who have deprived them of the Word by dividing the world into what it is today. God knew this would happen and so He commanded us to share the Good News with as many people as possible so that they can be saved. It's distressing that they have been corrupted but all we can do is witness to them and pray that God works in their hearts as He did in ours.

If, however, they've had access to the Good News and still reject it in favor of what they believe in, then we can still try to save them but it ultimately comes down to their own choice, and we will again pray for them, but if they reject Jesus then they are lost.
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User avatar #9998 to #9994 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
By your standards.
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User avatar #10002 to #9999 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
Common sense? The majority of the world is Christian. The majority of the world understands the difference between being a dictator and being God. You and your views are in the minority.
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User avatar #10015 to #10013 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
Who are you to say that the majority doesn't do those things? Sure maybe not everybody obeys God to the letter, but we know that the world is mostly Christian, so we can therefore determine that most of the world reads the Bible. All versions of the Bible confirm that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, which means the majority does believe that nonbelievers perish.
User avatar #10041 to #10015 - eight (02/08/2013) [-]
I wouldn't say all versions, I don't believe the Mormons believe that, although I can't be for sure.

But there is one reason why all versions may claim that...they all came from one original source. It isn't like different people around the world were inspired to write the same text and publish it.

Over time through translations, and ignorance, the Bible has changed to fit the intelligence of the people and their language. This is why there are different versions. It is still the same book.

The majority of Christians believe what their TV, radio and priest tells them, because many if not most "Christians" don't read the Bible or even go to Church on a regular basis. And even then, they are likely only Christian to begin with because they were raised that way. Had they grew up in India or the Middle East, they would have been raised as Hindu or Muslim.
User avatar #10075 to #10041 - jokeface (02/08/2013) [-]
Well Mormons are as wacky as Catholics, and anyway their Bible includes a third Testament which the rest of Christianity doesn't acknowledge. I was referring to the two-Testament Bible.

And yes, the Bible originated in one part of the world and then spread to the rest of it. That's pretty common knowledge. And if you think listening to priests and TV and radio counts as common knowledge, then why use those people, who are clearly uneducated even in their own faith, to define your own beliefs? You just said our faith is a dictatorship as defined by common sense. If you think common sense translates to people not bothering to read a book and just listening mindlessly to other people, then why would you want to be a part of the "common sense"?
User avatar #10092 to #10075 - eight (02/09/2013) [-]
"And if you think listening to priests and TV and radio counts as common knowledge, then why use those people, who are clearly uneducated even in their own faith, to define your own beliefs?"

Because million listen to these people, and they claim to be experts. But the sheeple (mostly religious folk) blindly follow and believe what they say just as they blindly believe in what a book tells them to.

You can read a book all day that claims to spout facts. However, unless it is verified by separate sources and people, blindly following in its words exempts you from the use of common sense.
Believing what some guy says on TV about the Bible and faith is no different than reading The Bible itself.
User avatar #10098 to #10092 - jokeface (02/09/2013) [-]
Well considering the Bible had about 40 authors who all witnessed the work of God and/or Jesus firsthand, I'd say it's as credible as any other book.
User avatar #10103 to #10098 - eight (02/09/2013) [-]
How exactly does that prove anything? Have you never heard of a collaboration? That just proves that 40 people wanted to create a inspirational text...or they wanted to create a book that could be used as a means of control, or they wanted it to be the biggest joke of them all.

User avatar #10109 to #10103 - jokeface (02/09/2013) [-]
Hey you're the one that said it had to be verified by separate sources.
User avatar #10134 to #10109 - eight (02/09/2013) [-]
The Bible is one source from thousands of years time. There is nothing to confirm the miracles or supernatural aspects of the Bible from non biblical sources. What a coincidence...
User avatar #10182 to #10134 - darkrighteosnight (02/09/2013) [-]
Actually in exudus, when Moses was to ld to stand and stretch his hand over the waters of the red sea, a large storm blew in and a great wind blue all night as Moses stood there.
This is an environmental phenomenon known as wind displacement. It is possible when a strong wind blows on a shallow body of water, it can actually push the waters apart and leave land that is walk-able.
About 3000 years ago, using geographical methods, a strip of land was shallow enough to be subjected to this phenomenon.
User avatar #10183 to #10182 - eight (02/09/2013) [-]
If that were true, it is hardly supernatural, but scientific. It would not be considered a miracle.
Unless of course you attribute science to miracle, which I do not.
User avatar #10187 to #10183 - darkrighteosnight (02/09/2013) [-]
Maybe , and maybe not, there is other such evidence of this, such as Egyptian chariots remains and other such items that date back to that time, but you will most likely look at that as nothing more that circumstantial.
I can't force my beliefs down your throat, i will simply present my evidence and thoughts, and hope for the best.
User avatar #10184 to #10183 - darkrighteosnight (02/09/2013) [-]
you would be surprised how supernatural and science interlock.

I tend to look at the simplest of laws and events of the Universe and see them as miracles. I don't know if its wistful thinking or what, but it has served me well so far.
User avatar #10185 to #10184 - eight (02/09/2013) [-]
If the story is even remotely true, and I don't believe there is any considerable evidence that it is, I think the most likely scenario is what one would expect at that time of little knowledge.

They were fleeing Egypt, happened upon this phenomenon, used it to their advantage and immediately saw it as a sign of God, considering they never seen such things before and that it was a rare occurrence. Overtime they attributed the phenomenon to Moses and exaggerated the events.

Sort of like the children's game telephone.
#10087 to #10075 - bluslenderman (02/09/2013) [-]
**bluslenderman rolled a random image posted in comment #213 at Just thought you guys should know ** look buddy i'm a Catholic and were still allowed to do stuff just be in the state of grace when you die okay.
User avatar #10101 to #10087 - jokeface (02/09/2013) [-]
You worship false idols and attribute divinity to priests. I'm not saying you'll go to hell for it, I'm just saying, that's wacky to me.
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User avatar #9945 to #9920 - cardanbar (02/08/2013) [-]
are you me? Because we have the exact same thoughts.
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