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#9181 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
What's everyone's opinions on the current events between China and Japan? I know that pretty much since WW2, the USA has promised to protect Japan in any and all military affairs it's involved in, so let's just say, theoretically, that China attacks Japan, causing the USA/UN to get involved. Anyone think there's a chance it could lead to full on World War? Also, who wins in a war between China and the USA? The USA may technically have a better military, but China has more men and a better economy.
#9224 to #9181 - natedizzie
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(09/22/2012) [-]
America hands down   
1/ China's economy is based on our consumers buying we go to war they get no money.   
plus we would put our ships around to not allow them to ship any products or any products inland   
2/ We're in a recession and redoing the entire navy with brand new everything. New subs carriers I mean everything   
3/ It would most likely lead to a stand off like the cold war where we puff are chests and we show how strong our economy and how the rest of the world dependent on us.
America hands down
1/ China's economy is based on our consumers buying we go to war they get no money.
plus we would put our ships around to not allow them to ship any products or any products inland
2/ We're in a recession and redoing the entire navy with brand new everything. New subs carriers I mean everything
3/ It would most likely lead to a stand off like the cold war where we puff are chests and we show how strong our economy and how the rest of the world dependent on us.
#9214 to #9181 - repostsrepost
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(09/22/2012) [-]
Attacking Japan would directly involve the US because we have our troops there because Japan isn't allowed to have their own military(kinda bullshit but it is what it is) The US has a far more advanced economy and much more advanced financial markets and a much higher GDP per capita. US military budget is astronomically high and China is still using knock off Soviet tech. The have one old soviet aircraft carrier and the US have a much more advanced navy. Numbers don't count for shit without technology or superior strategy.
#9275 to #9214 - Jackimole
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(09/23/2012) [-]
Japan doesn't have a military, but it does have its own defense forces.
#9190 to #9181 - esgrimidor
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(09/21/2012) [-]
I doubt the U.S. would directly intervene is China and Japan went to war, rather than putting diplomatic and economic pressure on them.

As for the U.S. versus China, this is going to piss off some cynics but I'm sure the U.S. would have a solid chance. For the following reasons:
-Better equipped, FAR more experienced military
-An astronomically higher defense budget
- A larger navy and therefore better distribution of a very advanced airforce
-Better technology

Also, the U.S. GDP and PPP are greater than China's. China has the fastest growing economy, but not the best.
#9200 to #9190 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
What exactly do you mean by diplomatic or economic pressure? And by stronger economy, I meant they're not in a recession, and they don't have massive debt. These conflicts could go on for years, by which time America's economy may have spiraled downwards even further. Which, if America doesn't have an economic advantage over China, and still owes China large amounts in debt, then I think that China is a serious threat to the USA. However, I do see your points about the military.
#9206 to #9200 - esgrimidor
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(09/21/2012) [-]
When I say diplomatic/economic pressure I mean letting them know how much this would hurt their image, how much they'd be damaging relations with other countries, and perhaps even threatening sanctions.

And yeah, I agree that if America were to lose its economic edge China would end up being a threat but I was assuming in your scenario that the war would be today.

Now if you wanna talk World War 3, look at the Middle East.
#9208 to #9206 - iliekcereal
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(09/22/2012) [-]
I gotcha. what exactly is going on in the Middle East that you think could lead to WW3?
#9210 to #9208 - esgrimidor
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(09/22/2012) [-]
Israel and Iran. You've got all the ingredients needed. Strong nationalist sentiment, instability, alliances with larger powers, and nuclear weapons. Too many countries have hands in that region for it to be too unstable. Its a hell of a powder keg, that place.
#9211 to #9210 - iliekcereal
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(09/22/2012) [-]
I could definitely see that happening. Hell, seems to me like the world's boiling over in violence, there's bound to be something big happening somewhere soon. And as you said Israel and Iran would be the perfect stage.
#9183 to #9181 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
Even though the Japanese are prohibited from having a military capable of attack (because of the constitution we wrote for them after WW2) I bet they already have an army of Gundams hidden away somewhere.
#9185 to #9183 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
so in other words, China isn't even a threat to them? cool
#9186 to #9185 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
Yeah I don't think Japan has ever really felt threatened by China.
#9188 to #9186 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
I see.
#9189 to #9188 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
It's a racial superiority thing. They consider themselves above all other Asians, especially Koreans.
#9193 to #9189 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
Even North Korea?
#9195 to #9193 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
Well, they are Korean, so yes.
#9196 to #9195 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
But North Korea is best Korea
#9198 to #9196 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
No. South Korea is best Korea.
#9202 to #9198 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
not according to North Korea
#9204 to #9202 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
fair enough, but how seriously do we really take North Korea's opinion of itself when its citizens are routinely on the edge of famine and poverty?
#9205 to #9204 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
shhh. their government will hear you
#9207 to #9205 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
That just made my night.
#9209 to #9207 - iliekcereal
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(09/22/2012) [-]
#swag
#9192 to #9189 - esgrimidor
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(09/21/2012) [-]
This. I hate it when weeaboos testify to the superiority of Japanese culture when they have no idea how bigoted they can be over there.
#9197 to #9192 - iliekcereal
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(09/21/2012) [-]
I don't get the impression that this guy is being entirely serious. I mean, he said he bets that Japan "already has an army of Gundams hidden away somewhere."
#9194 to #9192 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
I'm not a weeaboo. I'm not even an otaku. I'm a history teacher.
#9199 to #9194 - esgrimidor
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(09/21/2012) [-]
I know, I wasn't trying to call you a weeaboo, I was agreeing with you and sharing my attitude towards those with the opposite viewpoint.
#9203 to #9199 - hadrian
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(09/21/2012) [-]
Ah, I misunderstood you then.