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#42620 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
ITT: Opinions on Canadian politics, culture and other things of note. For example, do you agree with the melting pot approach to immigration that we have? What about FPTP? Do you oppose or support the general left leaning of the populace? Whatever you want to say about Canada, get it out here and now.
#43816 to #42620 - teoberry
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(08/05/2013) [-]
>melting pot
meh, there's really no way to stop it now. most immigrants are really grateful and love us, so idgaf
>first past the post
don't care
>left leaning
lol, alberta
#42688 to #42620 - undeadwill
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Why are you always trying to copy us Canada?
#42654 to #42620 - anon
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(07/23/2013) [-]
I know little about canadian politics, are canadian commies cool?
#42660 to #42654 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
I regularly speak to one. She is.
#42661 to #42660 - jewishcommunazi
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(07/23/2013) [-]
What kind of commie is she?
Also, I was anon.
#42662 to #42661 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Marxist-Leninist, like me. She defends the DPRK, but because she genuinely approves of them, not just because of anti-imperialism. Haha.
Then who was phone.
#42663 to #42662 - jewishcommunazi
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(07/23/2013) [-]
"She defends the DPRK, but because she genuinely approves of them..."

Definitely not mah nigga. Also, I have the idea they're more or less like the CPUSA, which wouldn't be a very good thing at all.

Little did you know, you were phone all along.
#42664 to #42663 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
We rarely discuss the DPRK, all of my M-L friends. She's pretty much alone. Haha.

Now, she's criticised the CPUSA multiple times, and has said that the Canadian CP has done so also. I'm not aware of any condemnations, but I have no reason not to believe her, a party member. I'm sure I could find it if I looked.

CPUSA has long been devoid of revolutionary character. Probably as a result of Stalin's efforts to consolidate socialism following the Great Patriotic War, the CPUSA became rather moderate. Nowadays, it's made some grave ideological mistakes. But all it needs is correction.
#42638 to #42620 - akkere ONLINE
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Canadians Are Weird
I'm not sure about the melting pot approach Canada is performing, or that Canada even had a melting pot approach, but I'd personally think pursuing for a melting pot antic (kept at a moderate level without requiring total assimilation) would be better than a multiculturalistic one, due in part that it ensures all cultures can coexist but communicate evenly through a homogeneous equilibrium, whereas multiculuralism can endanger the well-being of other cultures if one grows too powerful and starts to derail both the "initial standard" and other foreign cultures.

One thing I saw that was perplexing at one point, was that someone posted on this board months ago about an election that had been going on, and one of the things he commented on was about how he was "scared shitless". I *think* the picture he posted along with the thread had something along the lines of "anglecophone" (I really can't remember this) or "anglochophobe" on it, but that's probably just botched memory. I never commented on the thread because I didn't have really much knowledge about the election to contribute, and not too many others did, so there wasn't much else that could be gained from it.
#42639 to #42638 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
The most recent big election was the B.C. one (As far as I'm aware). Does that ring any bells?
#42640 to #42639 - akkere ONLINE
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(07/23/2013) [-]
I think so, though it doesn't recall me much details to why the person would be "scared shitless". Spooky.

I'm not sure if this would apply to Canada, but I've read news stories before of Right and Left activists actually getting into something of gang fights, especially in countries like France, and I've been wondering if that kind of aspect wouldn't be too far from at least the French-Canadian portion (or, First Nations People of Canada as you mentioned they preferred to be referred to as). I figured that might be unlikely because Canada's populace does lean left, whereas France would be more balanced (in an extreme sense) due to the historical effects on the populace.
#42641 to #42640 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
First, I was talking about the natives for that first nations bit. I should have specified.

There is a history of rebellion and violence as I've mentioned, but nowadays it's mostly just separatist undertones in certain demographics. I guess I should be glad that they've went from bat-shit insane to just really angry.
#42646 to #42641 - akkere ONLINE
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Interesting, I'll have to read up more on it then and fully understand the political climate that's going on with Canada, maybe even see how it relates to other nations as well.

Maybe I'll also figure out what was going on with that thread beforehand. Thanks!
#42647 to #42646 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
It probably doesn't affect other nations at all, it barely affects distant parts of our own. The only reason I talk about it is because it's an interesting subject.
#42648 to #42647 - akkere ONLINE
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Well I guess I can cross that off on the to-do list and just go straight into reading up on Canadian politics. Though I'll probably read up on it anyway and see how it compares to other native groupings
#42649 to #42648 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
The French aren't native to here, they're pretty much in the same boat as the English. If you're looking for natives, and example would be the Mohawk people.
#42671 to #42649 - akkere ONLINE
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(07/23/2013) [-]
That's what I meant, I assumed when you said the "natives" that's what you might've meant, though I didn't realize the Mohawk specifically actually lived that farther up north
#42702 to #42671 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
They were an Iroquois group whose "territory" ranged to southern Quebec and eastern Ontario.
#42840 to #42702 - akkere ONLINE
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(07/24/2013) [-]
Ah, for some reason I thought the Mohawk were more towards the Western territory, but that was probably just the Sioux. Didn't realize Mohawk were part of the Iroquois Confederacy.
#42628 to #42620 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
You guys are nice. I like that you don't really lock your doors.

As for immigration and culture, I disagree that you have assimilation. Multiculturalism, yes, but not assimilation. Anyway, it's something a few Marxist-Leninists I know and I had a conversation about. One of them was a Canadian. The different nations within Canada should have their own right to self determination, perhaps like a federal system.
#42629 to #42628 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
By "different nations", are you referring to the first nations natives?
#42632 to #42629 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
I also hope you're actually Canadian, since I've been referring to you as one thus far.
#42634 to #42632 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
I am, and I can personally vouch that the British Colombian Gulf islands are a veritable paradise.
#42631 to #42629 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
No, just cultures. So, French Canadians, English Canadians, and then the Native Americans (or First Nations or whatever they call themselves over there).

I'm kind of trying to avoid these sort of topics until I reread Marxism and the National Question but I thought, since one of the M-L that was in the discussion was Canadian, I would contribute just a little bit.
#42633 to #42631 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
There's a general distaste for giving French-Canadians any ground for power ever since the October Crisis (The only time in Canadian history that the wartime measures act was put into affect during peacetime). Even if people don't know about it, their opinions of Quebec are at least indirectly affected by it.

They prefer to be called the First Nations people of Canada, if you insist on using a blanket term.
#42635 to #42633 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Hmm, I've heard there's a degree of ethnic tension especially between French Canadians and other Canadians.

I did just message my Canadian friend. She's a far superior Marxist-Leninist to me, so I think I'll wait for her perspective before forming my opinion and taking this further.
#42642 to #42635 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
By the way, I was talking about the natives for that first nations bit. I should have specified.
#42643 to #42642 - oxan
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(07/23/2013) [-]
Oh, no, that's fine. I've heard of the term before, but I'm not familiar with Native Americans in Canada.
#42644 to #42643 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
The ones you hear about the most are the Metis (Part Native and part French), and that's mostly because of the whole Louis Riel debate. Other than that, there are hundreds of small traditional "Territories", with the quotations because they were very vague and undefined due to a lack of the concept of land ownership.
#42637 to #42635 - feelythefeel
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(07/23/2013) [-]
There is, and to be honest it goes back right to the beginning. A lot of the original British North America act (The document at the core of out constitution that detailed the creation of out federal government) had to be created with Quebec specifically in mind under threat of them not taking part. That is, if I'm remembering my history classes right. There are even issues between English and French here when Canada was still British (Namely the Lower Canada Rebellion).