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#3866 - mrepicness (07/11/2012) [-]
Hey Capitalists, if Capitalism is so great how come the economy is in a shithole?
Communism: 1
Capitalism: 0

let the shit storm begin
#4054 to #3866 - datuser (07/13/2012) [-]
Your face when communism fell because it's bad
User avatar #3960 to #3866 - ginginhunter (07/12/2012) [-]
Anarcho-Communism is the only way! without your dictatorship! fuck your stalinism

but capitalism is crap anyway ,
questons well be answered
#3938 to #3866 - mollyddog (07/12/2012) [-]
Communism= Great idea, humans are just shit at it. That's how my dad explained it to me
#3916 to #3866 - anon (07/11/2012) [-]
If Communism is so great, then why did every country that attempted it turn into a totalitarian shithole with terrible economies and a severe lack of human rights?

Communism: 0
User avatar #4958 to #3916 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
Because Lenin's vision of what Marx wrote was wrong. Really wrong. It was the antithesis of Marxism, really.
#3899 to #3866 - anon (07/11/2012) [-]
Because communism has proven itself much more successful throughout history...
#3887 to #3866 - repostsrepost (07/11/2012) [-]
The crisis was caused by government intervention in the housing market. Congress highly subsidized the housing market causing malinvestments and inflation of assets beyond their fundamentals.
Free market Capitalism 1
Keynesians 0
User avatar #3954 to #3887 - airguitar (07/12/2012) [-]
Not only that, but the two biggest mortgage companies, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, are both GSE's (Government Sponsored Enterprises). Both of these companies, whom alone comprised of around 60% of the mortgage market, began much of the sub-prime mortgage crap that was responsible for the crisis. In addition, when both companies were on the verge of bankruptcy in 2007, both were bailed out by the federal reserve/ treasury and now are in the same exact position as they were before (although there is rightfully a wariness towards sub-prime mortgages now).

Also, I would like to praise you sir. You make very good arguments and know what you are talking about, my fellow Free-market enthusiast.
#3884 to #3866 - unncommon (07/11/2012) [-]
Because there's a communist running the country.
#3911 to #3884 - szymonf (07/11/2012) [-]
if barrack obama is a communist then so was Ronald Reagan.
User avatar #3937 to #3911 - airguitar (07/12/2012) [-]
That's bullshit, neither the liberals or conservatives are on the right currently. You can not call a country where 40% of the GDP is caused by government spending a "free market" economy in ANY sense.
#3925 to #3911 - anon (07/12/2012) [-]
I guess that just shows the only governments that work are on the right.
User avatar #3912 to #3911 - unncommon (07/11/2012) [-]
Ronald Regan was just a liar. He knew how to run a country though.
#3871 to #3866 - Orangepeel (07/11/2012) [-]
Please, point out all the genocidal famines which Capitalism has created.

User avatar #3913 to #3871 - szymonf (07/11/2012) [-]
genocide is the systematic murder of a single ethnic group

america may not have done this, however they have murdered thousands of civilians in south east asia, terror bombed japanease and german cities, killed 40k civilians in Iraq and overthrew central american governments that ended up murdering thousands of their population
User avatar #3924 to #3913 - Orangepeel (07/12/2012) [-]
And? The USSR killed huge numbers of Poles when it invaded Poland, used German POW's as slave labour, started the Winter War, but also murdered huge numbers of their own citizens (a communist trait, practically), unmatched by Capitalist powers.

genocide is the systematic murder of a single ethnic group

IE millions of Slavs in Russia.

User avatar #3991 to #3924 - szymonf (07/12/2012) [-]
yes i am well aware of the mass graves at Katyn and other areas. My parents made sure it was burned into my brain. And I know about the holodomor I wrote an essay about it back in May...

We both know what my argument to the USSR will be so i will just leave it at that
User avatar #4053 to #3991 - Orangepeel (07/13/2012) [-]
Of course you'd have to be aware. Hell, in Poland it's a crime to deny both the Holocaust and the crimes committed by the USSR.

The USSR is proof Communism doesn't work. Initially when Lenin took power he handed all capital over to the workers. But when the civil war broke out he reverted back to the capitalist structure (manager ----> Workers ------> Wages) because production had dropped tremendously, but had everything still state owned. Communism has been tried, and it hasn't worked. Worker ownership deteriorates to state capitalism.
User avatar #4083 to #4053 - szymonf (07/13/2012) [-]
the USSR is proof that communism had not been tried

a communist revolution is supposed to occur in an industrialized nation, like england at the time.
Russia was the farthest thing from being industrialized. It was still feudal. The communist leaders attempted to create an industrial revolution after the proletarian revolution
User avatar #4131 to #4083 - Orangepeel (07/14/2012) [-]
Well so far, I haven't seen the workers in any industrialized nation "seize control of the means of production", so if you say it hasn't been tried, it probably never will.
User avatar #4960 to #4131 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
nigga what do you call the paris commune?
#4961 to #4960 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Over. Finished. Done. Also, SMALL SCALE.

Communism is a regressive ideology that seeks to transform society back to the stone age, where we were untraveled and lived in uncommunicative castes.
User avatar #4963 to #4961 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
>clearly hasn't read marx

Not even going to bother
#4974 to #4963 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Having to reply here because I've run out of space...

Yes, but that doesn't mean it becomes an exclusivity.

Why not? The majority of the people don't want Product X. It uses too many resources (which are limited) to produce and doesn't satisfy enough people. Unless of course, the stuck a price on it which can pay for production and replenish the resources (but that's capitalism).

So how exactly will you satisfy the small handful of consumers if the majority of the people don't want product X?
User avatar #4975 to #4974 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
I'm really sleepy and I'm having a hard time gathering my thoughts. I will reply to you sometime... just send me a private message or something.

#4976 to #4975 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Alright then.
#4964 to #4963 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Actually, it's precisely because I WAS a marxist that I can come to this conclusion that it's one of the most backwards, REACTIONARY ideologies man can believe in.

So, where's the "worker's revolution" now? Why hasn't happened on such a global scale?

You're not going to bother because you clearly CAN'T.
User avatar #4965 to #4964 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
Because we've (we as in everyone) taken it upon ourselves to distract ourselves with trivial matters such as race, sex, etc.

Mass media/propaganda didn't exactly fuel the revolution. McCarthy didn't help, either.
#4966 to #4965 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Or maybe it's because no one really wants the entire production of goods managed by uneducated rednecks and the working class?
User avatar #4967 to #4966 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
Or maybe it's because those who currently hold political power don't want to get off the marry-go-round?
#4968 to #4967 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
those who political power don't want to get off the marry-go-round?

Rubbish. Even Lenin abandoned worker self-management in favour of War communism, then state capitalism.

Pic very related.

Question: How are bakeries and retailers meant to operate under Communism? Clearly, in the end they can't be state-owned if the state is to disappear now isn't it?
User avatar #4969 to #4968 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
Yeah, good for Lenin, he was a fucktard.

Decisions will be made using direct democracy. If something is needed it is produced. It's really not that hard to grasp.
#4970 to #4969 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Lenin, he was a fucktard.
He certainly was. Something we can both agree on.

If something is needed it is produced. It's really not that hard to grasp.

You've oversimplified it. Under capitalism, if I wanted a DVD that they don't produce anymore, technically I can still get it if I order it and can pay for it. That way, the workers who produce it still get paid even if just to satisfy one consumer. What if in your stateless society only one or two consumers want a particular film produced, are they to miss out, or will they be forced to get it from a Capitalist country where consumer satisfaction is higher?
User avatar #4971 to #4970 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
Well, you can always bootleg DVD's and then burn them onto blank ones. D.I.Y ethics play a big role in marxist ideology.

Just to clarify I hate the fuck out of stalinists, trotskyists, maoists, leninists, and many of the others. I'm more fond of the Situationist International.
#4972 to #4971 - anon (07/24/2012) [-]
Well, you can always bootleg DVD's and then burn them onto blank ones.


Fine then. If only a small handful of consumers want product X but the producers don't make it anymore. If the high price set is payable, then the producers will make a profit and the consumers will be satisfied. Under communism, you have no prices, it's only "democratic". So what happens to the people who want product X then? Apparently, since they're a minority, then have no say in production and will need to go to a capitalist country to have their voices heard.

D.I.Y ethics play a big role in marxist ideology.
Like I said before, that's a very backwards standpoint. I didn't build the house I'm in, I didn't build the computer I'm using. Under Communism, the workers should own what they make, right?
User avatar #4973 to #4972 - arisaka (07/24/2012) [-]
Yes, but that doesn't mean it becomes an exclusivity.
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