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User avatar #3561 - hatersghate (07/09/2012) [-]
What do you think of Uruguayan goverment trying to legalize weed?
User avatar #3562 to #3561 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
who cares.
the real question should be is why is it still illegal
User avatar #3564 to #3562 - hatersghate (07/09/2012) [-]
In Uruguay is legal to smoke weed and to have weed (less than 50grms) but illegal to sell it and stuff.
They want to legalize it and to plant and sell it themselves.
User avatar #3565 to #3564 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
that is good...
i did not know that
i think it is a good thing
if it is legal to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol then why not weed
it is socially acceptable
User avatar #3569 to #3565 - hatersghate (07/09/2012) [-]
it is illegal here to smoke places with a roof (like public spaces), or the owner of the place gets a bill, that made the cigarette consumption go down here, (we had a president who was a doctor so yeah...)
Do you think that legalizing it will make consumption rise? Do you think they should legalize planting it for own use but not for economic purposes?
I'm actually happy for this law because I smoke weed but will it be good for the country?
User avatar #3570 to #3569 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
wow you are really good at trying to get a person to properly share their ideas!
I am not an economist so I will simply state my personal opinion.
Will Legalizing weed make the consumption rise
no, people will be more open about it but the consumption will not rise. It might even drop a little bit because the taboo will be gone.
Legalize it for own use but not for economic purposes will it do good for the country?
If you are going to legalize then make an industry out of it. It will increase (slightly) the amount of farmers, or farmers will begin to switch from tobacco to weed (that is if tobacco is grown in Uruguay, forgive my ignorance). If the latter will happen then the price of cigarettes will go up. The revenue from any tax on weed would also help and the tourism sector would boom.

In canada it is also illegal to smoke inside of buildings (unless it is a home), in a public place (there are some exemptions) and you cant smoke in a car if there is a child present
User avatar #3571 to #3570 - hatersghate (07/09/2012) [-]
that's awesome, final question:
Do you think poeple will switch to other drugs since weed will no be a taboo, maybe to mor edangerous drugs (with a consumption of "paste base" on rise)? Or do you think they will prefer weed than those drugs?

btw: I don't know if they plant tobacco in here, I think they don't
User avatar #3575 to #3571 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
czech republic also has lenient laws (which i did not know when i was there last year!) although i do not know any figures or facts
"On December 14, 2009, the Czech Republic adopted a new law that took effect on January 1, 2010, and allows a person to possess up to 15 grams of marijuana or 1.5 grams of heroin without facing criminal charges. These amounts are higher (often many times) than in any other European country, possibly making the Czech Republic the most liberal country in the European Union when it comes to drug liberalization (apart from Portugal).[32]
Under the law, possession of less than the following amounts of illicit drugs is a misdemeanor subject to a fine equal to a parking ticket:
Marijuana 15 grams (or five plants)
Hashish 5 grams
Magic mushrooms 40 pieces
Peyote 5 plants
LSD 5 tablets
Ecstasy 4 tablets
Amphetamine 2 grams
Methamphetamine 2 grams
Heroin 1.5 grams
Coca 5 plants
Cocaine 1 gram
Sale (not purchase) is still a criminal act. Possession of “larger than a small amount” of marijuana can result in a jail sentence of up to one year. For other illicit drugs, the sentence is two years. Trafficking as well as production (apart from growing up to five plants of marijuana) offenses carry stiffer sentences. The Czech Republic now joins Portugal as a European country that has decriminalized drug possession."
User avatar #3574 to #3571 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
i thought the same thing as i was typing it.

My answer is look at Portugal. Here is an excerpt from a wikipedia article since i am honestly to lazy to look for primary sources
"In 2001, Portugal became the first European country to abolish all criminal penalties for personal drug possession. In addition, drug users were to be targeted with therapy rather than prison sentences. Research commissioned by the Cato Institute and led by Glenn Greenwald found that in the five years after the start of decriminalisation, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined, the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled.[37] However, Peter Reuter, a professor of criminology and public policy at the University of Maryland, College Park, while conceding that Portuguese decriminalization met its central goal of stopping the rise in drug use, suggests that the heroin usage rates and related deaths may have been due to the cyclical nature of drug epidemics".

User avatar #3583 to #3574 - arisaka (07/09/2012) [-]
I would also like to add on to your statement that in Canada some 40 percent of people have done drugs in their life (more than once and at least once per month, or something like that) while in the Netherlands, only 9.8 percent of people aged 15-34 use drugs at least once per month. I think it's the illegality of drugs that create a taboo around them which actually makes people want to do them more.
User avatar #3588 to #3583 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
which is what i was going for

\thanks for adding the percentages
i could even say that based on my high school experience the percentage could be much higher
User avatar #3589 to #3588 - arisaka (07/09/2012) [-]
I'm one of the few who doesn't smoke or drink but I view it as a personal choice and not a moral one so it should be in no one's interest other than yourself.

I'm also canadian, and people are so open with drug use. In downtown Montreal people are smoking pot in public parks all the time.
User avatar #3623 to #3589 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
i was almost caught smoking in a public park
User avatar #3638 to #3623 - arisaka (07/09/2012) [-]
No one really cares much, unless it involves a huge bust or something. The issue in Canada is the 'etiquette' around drugs and how they make little 14 year old's think they're something special or that they're a part of something; it kills ambition that way.

My issue with drugs lies on their ability to allow people to control other people. I think if drugs are going to be an open thing they should be understood and approached properly, and that it should be made impossible for someone to use them in a way that allows them to dominate others.
User avatar #3639 to #3638 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
ya that is true
i feel the same way
User avatar #3640 to #3639 - arisaka (07/09/2012) [-]
Then we must have a lot in common, xD
User avatar #3645 to #3640 - szymonf (07/09/2012) [-]
well i am not a libertarian as you are
User avatar #3653 to #3645 - arisaka (07/09/2012) [-]
I suppose. It will take time to get to that point in human development though.
User avatar #3577 to #3574 - hatersghate (07/09/2012) [-]
thanks bro, you are awesome.
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