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User avatar #3065 - airguitar (07/04/2012) [-]
What is the most important political issue in your opinion? Think about it in election terms, which issues are vote-changers for you (any country).

Mine are the Economy 1st with Gay rights as a close 2nd.
#3150 to #3065 - arisaka (07/05/2012) [-]
Corruption and education. Economic stability is tied with those two.

An educated population is a radicalized population.
User avatar #3159 to #3150 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
Mhmm but I believe it is much more important about the procedure of "helping" education rather than just funding. The "No child left behind" act is a clear example where a policy designed to help students actually makes them worse off in some situations. The work ethic of students is something that needs to be improved, throwing money at lazy people does not do much of a defference.

Sorry I rambled on about that. The reason I freak out about gay marriage is that I am absolutely disgusted by the people who oppose it. Most issues have two arguable sides, gay marriage does NOT. In fact I am ashamed to live in a country where you lose rights because you are born with a different sexual orientation. I thought we should have been past that. If Rick Santorum had been elected president, I was prepared to leave this country.
User avatar #3163 to #3159 - arisaka (07/06/2012) [-]
Yes yes, exactly! I feel the education system itself, the system we put the kids through, is no longer adequate. It must be changed and worked with in order to help students maximize their potential. I know it needs more than funding.
User avatar #3179 to #3163 - szymonf (07/06/2012) [-]
stop blaming the schools. your school boards are too scared to act. Parents threaten to sue school boards for suspending their kids, Parents demand that funding be redistributed to suburban schools leaving the inner-city kids without books, parents refuse to accept that their children have the capacity to do anything wrong among other issues

and then comes the issue of the teachers. The low wages leave them without will power. They refuse to pay attention to any warning signs exhibited by the students. Teachers in the USA on a national average make a tops what? $60k a year WITH A MASTERS DEGREE? i have had high school teachers in canada that make up to $105k a year with full benefits..
User avatar #3193 to #3179 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
Teachers should get paid what people are willing to pay them. We should a teacher get paid a dollar amount that the people funding education are not willing to pay? In addition, GOOD teachers should be paid more while bad ones should be paid less- this could be done with random surveying of students or such. This indirect system creates a much much better incentive for teachers to teach well than paying every single teacher more would.
User avatar #3194 to #3193 - szymonf (07/06/2012) [-]
who decides what makes a "good teacher". One can't base this on the marks of the students (Just look at the work ethic of today's students) and you can't ask students opinions because the negative bias would be tremendous.
User avatar #3199 to #3194 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
Mhmm, that was a weird idea, I just randomly thought of it. In actuality, teachers are judged by their credentials and achievements, I just personally believe that since it is (indirectly) the students who are paying, they should be the ones judging. Regardless, I don't think that teachers should necessarily get paid more because they're teachers. Just because some jobs ideally "should" earn more than others, doesn't mean that there is actually enough demand for those jobs to pay well.
User avatar #3201 to #3199 - szymonf (07/06/2012) [-]
those teachers are supposed to mould the minds of future generations... if that doesn't deserve good pay then my blood is red...wait a second?
it is late and my sleeping patterns have been whack lately which has caused a chain reaction,so i will hopefully talk to you tomorrow
User avatar #3203 to #3201 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
Alright get some rest, I will still explain myself a bit more. I agree education is important, but not everyone feels this way. I feel like it is elitist to proclaim that teachers should get paid more, people's money should be taken from them (taxed) and spent on teachers. You are arguing that the men and women who spend their money on other things do not know what is best for them. That is not the case. The only person who knows what is best for an individual, is the individual himself.

The reason that movie stars get paid much more than high school teachers or doctors is because there is higher demand and lower supply for good quality actors. Are you the kind that will argue that movie-viewers do not know what is best for them and they should be spending that money on education because it is "more important"? The biggest problem I have is it is NOT more important, that is entirely an opinion. By forcing your morals of what is "best" for a person you are restricting their rights and further forcing them into the slavery that is Government.

Sorry if this sounded very extreme, I kind of view it that way and have deep passion for the market.
User avatar #3219 to #3203 - szymonf (07/06/2012) [-]
i never said that teachers should be paid more because they are higher then others, i said they should be paid Better because of the tremendous importance they play inn our society. I will also go as far as to say that the individual does not now what is best for them; They kno wwhat will make them happy or what will make them entertained but for the most part they fail to look at the future. To prove this all you have to do is spend a day in a high school or turn on mtv
User avatar #3223 to #3219 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
Well that is still your opinion, that being educated is "more important". I would argue, completely and entirely, that being happy is much "more important". You can never say you know what is best for someone else, other people may enjoy being poor and uneducated. That obviously is not the normal case, but pay should not be a reward for a jobs "importance", respect should be. Not that high school teachers usually get that either...
User avatar #3228 to #3223 - szymonf (07/06/2012) [-]
you win this argument.
i cant make any more points without sounding repetitive...
still feel like US teachers deserve better pay though then what they are getting
User avatar #3234 to #3228 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
The real reason they aren't paid a lot is because there are a lot of them and it's not all that hard to find a replacement for a teacher (many substitutes). In fact it is very difficult at times for teachers to find work, since there are so many people willing to earn that "low" wage. If it is such a low wage, why are people willing to work for it?

It all has to do with supply and demand. As a whole, all teachers make A LOT more than Football players for example. The reason for that is because there are many more teachers to share the bigger pie. Lastly, when you "give" someone positive rights (in this case, a right to earn above market value, you are essentially giving them the right to have other people's bonus tax money) you are taking rights away from other people (in the form of taxes and your are lowering the wages of other people with taxes).
User avatar #3239 to #3234 - szymonf (07/06/2012) [-]
i know how the salaries work and about over-abundant amount of teachers.
teaching is the graveyard of dreams. That is why there are so many teachers, it is their last hope. And the weak benefits in the US means that more and more teachers are choosing to retire later; keeping new teachers from gaining full time jobs

all i have to say is that america does not have its priorities straight.
User avatar #3241 to #3239 - airguitar (07/06/2012) [-]
Whenever I have thought about becoming a teacher, I have always thought being a college professor would be so much better. I actually really like the learning that happens at a universities and I think I would really like to be a professor- I am not quite sure how good I am at teaching/lecturing though. There is no fucking way I would be a high school teacher.
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#3141 to #3065 - agger (07/05/2012) [-]
Definitely economy. Sorry but right now, gay rights doesn't mean anything to me. I would rather get our country back in order and then deal with civil rights later. I don't even know what to think about the war/troops anymore so economy is really all that matters to me. Less spending from the government.
User avatar #3142 to #3141 - airguitar (07/05/2012) [-]
I agree, I was willing to vote for Romney because I know he would be SLIGHTLY less worse for the economy (notice I didn't say better). However, after his anti-gay marriage statement I just decided I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
#3613 to #3142 - agger (07/09/2012) [-]
Ron Paul is definitely not the perfect candidate but he is the best we have.
User avatar #3615 to #3613 - airguitar (07/09/2012) [-]
I agree, although lately I have been thinking about voting for Gary Johnson because he has a better platform than Paul.
#3617 to #3615 - agger (07/09/2012) [-]
Feel bad because I don't even know who Gary Johnson is :/

But I am 16 so I can't really vote regardless
User avatar #3620 to #3617 - airguitar (07/09/2012) [-]
I'm 20 so this is my first time voting personally and I just want to vote for someone I believe in. I didn't even know who Gary Johnson was 2 months ago either. He's the Libertarian candidate (the party Ron Paul SHOULD represent, but he knows he wouldn't get any votes if he did). I started liking Gary Johnson more when I took this quiz:


(Although I got like 91% Paul and 88% Johnson I think).
User avatar #3091 to #3065 - szymonf (07/05/2012) [-]
i think everyone would agree with you.... especially in 2012...some people might swap out gay rights with military funding/involvement or illegal immigration (for the southerners)
#3088 to #3065 - sleepingriver (07/05/2012) [-]
The repeal of laws that assault our 4th amendment right.

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