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#2803 - UnionX (07/01/2012) [-]
ITT well thought out arguments pertaining to fascism vs communism
say the pro's and cons of each please even if you perfer it

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User avatar #3032 to #2803 - IrishAssassin (07/04/2012) [-]
Communism is a perfect system, on paper. But humans will never be able to effectively employ that system. Every form of government in the world has pros and cons, and because of human nature we will never get one without cons.
User avatar #2862 to #2803 - Slipperynuts (07/01/2012) [-]
This whole thread will be strawmen towards communism, citing the Soviet Union as the perfect example of communism
#2855 to #2803 - lufieh (07/01/2012) [-]
If compared in their purest form, final stage, you say it, I think everybody would prefer the utopian Communism.
If compared in their purest form, final stage, you say it, I think everybody would prefer the utopian Communism.
#2849 to #2803 - repostsrepost (07/01/2012) [-]
Essentially the same. both types of governments have killed millions. Neither have pros, only cons.
User avatar #2860 to #2849 - fidelito (07/01/2012) [-]
The Soviet Union and its puppets are no examples of communism as Marx intended it to be. Fascism has racism at its core and can thus lead to genocide. A real communistic government, which the world hasn't witnessed yet, has no reason to oppress and kill its subjects.
#2866 to #2860 - largenintimidating (07/01/2012) [-]
No, fascism has a one-party government and strong support of national values, which does not necessarily mean invading other countries. Mussolini and his government were subservient to the king, so Italy was not a purely Fascist nation. Nazism is based on the superiority of the Aryan race, and is not pure fascism. Pure fascism has never been tried. A real fascist government, which the world has never witnessed, would simply work in the best interest of its nation and thus not oppress and kill its subjects, or the subjects of other nations since war is not in the best interest of the country.

See how easily that "pure communism" bullshit can be applied to other forms of government? It's a dumbass argument; always has been, always will be. If every time communism is tried, it turns to shit, it's a shit system.
User avatar #2876 to #2866 - fidelito (07/01/2012) [-]
Well, I'm no expert concerning fascism, but it always has own superiority as one of its main principles. If you say the world has never seen true fascism then I'll believe you.
The "pure" communism argument is not bullshit. Every so-called communist regime we've had until now always had an elite. This shouldn't exist in real communism. However, I'm not a communist. There should be an elite of some sort, a ruling class. And giving everybody equal pay is also a very bad idea. The world has seen pure capitalism, and even though it kept the world running, I'm not a fan. My reply to repostrepost was mainly to tell him communism (and fascism) doesn't need to lead to murder and slaughter and he shouldn't just base his views on historic examples, but also on the matter itself. It's like saying every religion sucks, because every religion had people killed in its name.
User avatar #2809 to #2803 - reaganomix (07/01/2012) [-]
"The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the stallion with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal(Classical Liberal) of the old type." -- F.A. Hayek
#2848 to #2809 - repostsrepost (07/01/2012) [-]
Is that from Road to Serfdom? I've been wanting to read that.
User avatar #2861 to #2848 - reaganomix (07/01/2012) [-]
Yeah, I'm reading it right now.
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