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#21939 - CCpieman
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(01/25/2013) [-]
So how does FJ feel about abortion? More than "pro-life" or "pro-choice" tell me why you have those views and anything specific you'd like to add.
I'm pro-choice but believe the woman should talk with the father of the baby (if he's around), her family, and most importantly, her doctor, before making a decision. Make an informed choice. For "late term" abortions I really think the woman should have made a decision by then, but if circumstances turn dire (health complications, partner dies) then I suppose it should be allowed. As for "forcing" Catholic or other religious institutions to perform abortions I don't have a definitive view. I want to respect their beliefs but they're also HOSPITALS and should serve their patients.
Any other thoughts?
#22047 to #21939 - kanade **User deleted account**
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#22009 to #21939 - CCpieman
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(01/25/2013) [-]
Going off of this, how do you guys feel about the concept of someone committing a "double-homicide" if they kill a pregnant woman? It seems like doublethink to me, but I could just be an idiot. I'm not sure how laws like that are in America, but I think if the woman is in the late 2nd or the 3rd trimester, and she's absolutely sure she wants to have her baby, it could then be considered a "person" and protected by the law. This is a fuzzy concept for me, hoping to hear some more opinions.
#21996 to #21939 - Ruspanic
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(01/25/2013) [-]
I don't feel like debating this right now, but here's a great essay you all should read.
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#21995 to #21939 - brettd
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(01/25/2013) [-]
I personally am pro-life in all situations minus serious health complications for the mother. I'm not your stereotypical born-again rightwing fascist, though. I am a republican, but I'm also agnostic and my views are based entirely upon my own opinions. I sat down and thought about it for a long time, and I just couldn't justify taking the life of another human in any way, regardless of the circumstances. It's more an issue of morality for me.
#21997 to #21995 - Ruspanic
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(01/25/2013) [-]
The question is whether human beings have the same status and rights before birth as they do after, since obviously during much of development they lack any sort of cognitive function or awareness. It requires a great deal of philosophizing about the nature of rights, "personhood", ethics, and so on. Give this a read.
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#21998 to #21997 - brettd
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(01/25/2013) [-]
You're exactly right, and I personally am of the believe that our rights begin at conception, and therefore abortion is morally detestable. However, I am perfectly wiling to admit that I may be wrong. An opinion is only an opinion, after all.
#21999 to #21998 - Ruspanic
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(01/25/2013) [-]
It's rather difficult to be wrong on a philosophical issue.
#22001 to #21999 - brettd
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(01/25/2013) [-]
Well it's not entirely philosophical, and even if it was, there can still be right and wrong. That is the purpose of morality.
#22006 to #22001 - Ruspanic
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(01/25/2013) [-]
By "wrong" I meant incorrect, rather than morally wrong. Morality is itself a philosophical issue. It's not objective, and while you or I might be adamant about our own senses of what is right and wrong, we might still disagree with each other and there's no way for either of us to be objectively correct because morality requires subjective judgment by sentient beings.
#21986 to #21939 - paintbucket
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(01/25/2013) [-]
why the fuck can't people figure out how to use condoms?
#21994 to #21986 - feelythefeel
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(01/25/2013) [-]
Because the majority of them are Christians, and a lot of Christians apparently hate that shit.
#22012 to #21994 - paintbucket
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(01/25/2013) [-]
>the majority of them are Christians
will get abortions
won't use condoms

something doesn't fit here.
#22015 to #22012 - feelythefeel
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(01/25/2013) [-]
I was answering your question, not his.
I was answering your question, not his.
#21960 to #21939 - IrishAssassin
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(01/25/2013) [-]
I support early-term abortions for any reason. At that point it's the same as if they had used birth control or had a miscarriage or something. After an undetermined point, they should need an actual reason, such as a threat to the mother's health. After that point if they don't want the kid they need to have it and put it in foster care.

As for forcing Christian hospitals to perform abortions, no. Separation of Church and State. Abortion clinics exist for a reason
#21947 to #21939 - duudegladiator
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(01/25/2013) [-]
There are many reasons for having an abortion, but my thoughts being what they are, women should never really get abortions unless it is incest or rape.

When people have children, that child has a purpose in societies future. When the baby is killed, the potential for the future is diminished greatly. As for forcing Christian hospitals to do abortions, the key word is FORCE, if the hospitals had choice, they probably would deny the patient and abortion.