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#2068 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
Total bullshit.

This chart completely fails to portray my political opinion.
A vast number of questions I had no means to answer properly.
User avatar #2073 to #2068 - reaganomix (06/23/2012) [-]
well what's your political opinion?
User avatar #2075 to #2073 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
No Gods, no Masters.

Philosophical anarchist.
#2081 to #2075 - Womens Study Major (06/23/2012) [-]
Anarchy. No. Why?

>People want power
>Power requires a group or army
>Groups require organization
>Organization forms into states
>states form into governments
>Governments reform and no more anarchy
>Humanity has a nuclear war
>Only a few survive the fallout in underground caves, new mutated animals roam the earth
>Humanity crawls from the pits, those with technology from the old world are considered gods
>These gods are forever remembered throughout history
>New society eventually forms and last of technology is destroyed
>Medieval ages pass
>New society is formed, decides anarchy
>New nuclear war
Wash, rinse, repeat
#2083 to #2081 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
It's called voluntary society and is a flawless concept.
#2095 to #2083 - whiskersthelong (06/24/2012) [-]
No, it is not flawless. It is easy for you, sitting in that nice comfortable chair of yours, to say that everyone should share. But I, for one, greatly doubt that you would be willing to work hard for little pay just to support some bum who doesn't want to contribute anything back. Why should you plow the field to lose the harvest? This is exactly what killed the Soviet Union. People lose interest in work and money stops being generated. With no money being generated there is nothing to distribute. The people starve. They resort to stealing just to put food on the table. In the meantime the treasury is being emptied at an incredible speed. Funding is cut off first from entertainment, then education, national security, and the police force. Crime rises. People die by the hundreds of thousands every day from either starvation, disease, murder. The strongest survive through cunning and sheer brutality. Soon enough, the United States of America becomes a third world country. And you have, at last, achieved glorious Communism!
User avatar #2128 to #2095 - techketzer (06/24/2012) [-]
What you are describing is the fucking opposite of a voluntary society.
The exact fucking opposite.
Really, you fucked up badly here, and the fags thumbing you up showed their ignorance and how easily impressed people are by a fiery speech, whether it makes sense or not.

I don't say anyone should share if he doesn't want to. I never would.
It's their absolute right to keep everything they have to themselves and I'd rather protect them and their property from other people's illicit attacks than try and force them to "share" or otherwise part with it.
Why that? For fear of the same thing happening to me should it become common practice.

The only reason anyone should ever part with anything he has is when voluntarily making a deal he thinks is beneficial to him.
And yes, of course I'd hate to be forced to part with my rightly earned wealth for reasons I do not agree with. I'd hate to be forced to do anything, even if I agree with the reasons.

Voluntary society is all about that. Voluntarism. No shit, eh? ;)
Everyone has the absolute free choice what to do with his life, ideas and property. (As long as he does not infringe the rights of others, of course. That's the general taboo line.)

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Everyone makes mistakes, but mixing up Voluntarism and Communism?
Holy fucking shit, I didn't know that was even possible.
Left and right is harder to distinguish between, if you think about it.
User avatar #2163 to #2128 - whiskersthelong (06/24/2012) [-]
I see what you mean, and you do have some good intentions there, but you need to learn to live in the real world. What you misunderstand here is human nature. In an anarchic system, with nothing to stop them, criminals would run around killing and stealing. Who would lift a finger to help his fellow man, when he could rob him instead? The purpose of government is to PROTECT and to oversee operations, and provide minimal services. Recently, it has grown much too large and oppressive, with laws now dictating what is good for you, like trying to force you to buy healthcare you don't want, or telling you how large of a soda you need to drink. However, only a child would think that everything would be sunshine and rainbows without a government. Think of a cake. What hold it together are eggs. And this small ingredient is the difference between a cake and a pile of mush. That is government. Really, just stop being a child for a second. Don't you think this hasn't been tried before? Volunteering only works on a small scale, like giving to charity, or helping your elderly neighbor with housework. This is not how you run a country! If you want a volunteering society, all you have to do is never leave the internet. Here, if someone creates something in his free time, it will never hurt him to copy it and share it with the world. You know why? Because this is the only place where you can eat the cake and keep it. And enough already with the profanity.
User avatar #2172 to #2163 - techketzer (06/24/2012) [-]
You appear to be a very dogmatic person and you're making an ungodly mess of this.

"In an anarchic system, with nothing to stop them, criminals would run around killing and stealing."
Me and my gun would stop them from violating me and my loved ones, just as we do now. Police? Police is there to mop up the mess, not prevent the crime.
Also, nothing prevents me from teaming up with my neighbours and practically the whole community to keep the peace

"Who would lift a finger to help his fellow man, when he could rob him instead?"
I would. Why? Because it's the right thing to do. Today I help my neighbour, tomorrow he helps me.
Also he may have his other neighbour watching his back as I just described above.

You're thinking like a child if you think people are helpless without Big Brother watching them.

" Volunteering only works on a small scale, "
Yes, because the state steps in and crushes down voluntary systems once they get too successful to his liking. The state hates competition and destroys it with violence wherever it can.

"The purpose of government is to PROTECT and to oversee operations, and provide minimal services."
I say fuck it. I don't want it.
If you want to lie your life under the control of a tyrant or a council thereof, go ahead, do it. Don't you dare to force it on me though, that way of life is not for me.
(And I know there is no place where I can live free of others governing me, which is a collossal shame. Seems I'll just have to make such a place.)

"Recently, it has grown much too large and oppressive"
They all do. Every single one of them. It may take them years and decades os deception and covert power grabbing, but in the end there is nothing to stop them except from people wanting to live free and choose for themselves.
Choice. Voluntarism.

The circle has just closed itself.
User avatar #2221 to #2172 - whiskersthelong (06/25/2012) [-]
If you get together with your neighbors and form a confederacy, it's still a government. A government doesn't need to be something that stretches from coast to coast, it can even be something as small as a community. You, my friend, are not an anarchist and never will be. What you are, though, is smart. You see the idiocy in winging it alone because you know that you wouldn't live more than a day without help. Really, if you want to see true anarchy, I recommend you go alone to Somalia and try to survive alone for a week. All I am asking of you is to make peace with the establishment, and accept that government always eventually forms itself. This is what separates us from animals, that we can come together to try and achieve a common goal. And I have an entirely different view on Big Brother than you try to paint. I am completely against the nanny state. Once the government starts buying corporations and subsidizing its products with taxpayers' money, it is already known as fascism. This is a cancer that must be eradicated! What fascism does is that it kills the private industry completely. Not even the biggest corporations could combat a business with access to the treasury, a business that doesn't care if it makes money or not, one funded entirely by the people.This is where the line is crossed and government is a burden. My point is that government is not the problem, rather the size of it is.
#2269 to #2221 - techketzer (06/25/2012) [-]
As I said; an ungodly mess.   
   
A voluntary community is ANYTHING BUT a form of government. Me watching out for my neighbour and he in return for me is not a form of government. There is no one governing, there is no one being governed. You're jumping to illicit conclusions in order to push your half-baked ideology through this.   
   
"All I am asking of you is to make peace with the establishment, and accept that government always eventually forms itself."   
I will never accept the reign of one man over another by the means of force and violence. Never.   
That is what makes an Anarchist; I reject the idea of subjugation, or government as you call it. Freedom and voluntary choice is what I want to live by, not the dictate of a tyrant or a council of tyrants.   
   
Somalia, being dominated and tyrannised by tribal gangs and warlords is anything but a voluntary anarchist society; more like a minefield of inofficial dictators fighting each other for hegemony.   
You clearly have no ideas of the concepts we are talking about and are just throwing around big flashy words.   
   
"This is what separates us from animals, that we can come together to try and achieve a common goal."   
You're an idiot.   
Many species of animals are much, much better at that then we are. Ever heard of ants? Bees?   
   
So you want to live like a mindless ant, just doing what your instinct programming (read: government decrees) tell you to?   
Fine, go ahead. Good riddance.   
   
"My point is that government is not the problem, rather the size of it is."   
I disagree. I say the principle, the very concept of government is at fault.   
That concept being nothing else than the initiation of force and even violence to get what you want instead of respecting the individual rights and freedoms of the people.   
   
A small government will not stay that way. Government is a mechanism constantly grabbing for more control and power, and with it actually being in charge, there is nothing to stop it.   
Size is irrelevant, presence is the crucial point.
As I said; an ungodly mess.

A voluntary community is ANYTHING BUT a form of government. Me watching out for my neighbour and he in return for me is not a form of government. There is no one governing, there is no one being governed. You're jumping to illicit conclusions in order to push your half-baked ideology through this.

"All I am asking of you is to make peace with the establishment, and accept that government always eventually forms itself."
I will never accept the reign of one man over another by the means of force and violence. Never.
That is what makes an Anarchist; I reject the idea of subjugation, or government as you call it. Freedom and voluntary choice is what I want to live by, not the dictate of a tyrant or a council of tyrants.

Somalia, being dominated and tyrannised by tribal gangs and warlords is anything but a voluntary anarchist society; more like a minefield of inofficial dictators fighting each other for hegemony.
You clearly have no ideas of the concepts we are talking about and are just throwing around big flashy words.

"This is what separates us from animals, that we can come together to try and achieve a common goal."
You're an idiot.
Many species of animals are much, much better at that then we are. Ever heard of ants? Bees?

So you want to live like a mindless ant, just doing what your instinct programming (read: government decrees) tell you to?
Fine, go ahead. Good riddance.

"My point is that government is not the problem, rather the size of it is."
I disagree. I say the principle, the very concept of government is at fault.
That concept being nothing else than the initiation of force and even violence to get what you want instead of respecting the individual rights and freedoms of the people.

A small government will not stay that way. Government is a mechanism constantly grabbing for more control and power, and with it actually being in charge, there is nothing to stop it.
Size is irrelevant, presence is the crucial point.
#2084 to #2083 - Womens Study Major (06/23/2012) [-]
Except for that one thing, what do you call it? Oh thats right, greed. Guess which nation in the world has the most oil in reserve? Oh thats right good old america.
And guess which nation is running of areas to go to war with in the middle east? Oh thats right, america.
Oh and guess which nation just stepped up military control in africa and is slowly increasing chinese tensions? Shouldnt take too long to figure out.
Dont even try to tell me people wont always be greedy; read; capitilism.
User avatar #2085 to #2084 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
You mistake individual people for the collective and then blame them for the misdeeds of their government.

In other words, you're full of shit, anon.
#2086 to #2085 - Womens Study Major (06/23/2012) [-]
No actually Im well aware that not everyone is greedy. What I am aware of, however, is how human contentedness works. You see its kind of like this.
A kid in a third world region would kill for water
A kid in a first world region spills it about as though it was nothing

Now that kid from the developing country moves to a first world country
Slowly over time, he will value water less and less because its become more a part of his life. Eventually he too will be spilling the water around like its nothing.

Get what Im throwing your way?
User avatar #2087 to #2086 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
Yes.
Resources are less valuable the more abundant they are.

What is your point?
#2089 to #2087 - Womens Study Major (06/23/2012) [-]
Contentedness is subjective. What is considered lower middle class in america is rich in some countries. The longer you live in better conditions the more you yearn for better(er) conditions.
User avatar #2130 to #2089 - techketzer (06/24/2012) [-]
Yes, that is true.
But why do you think humans striving for a better life is bad?
What's wrong with the pursuit of happiness?
User avatar #2077 to #2075 - reaganomix (06/23/2012) [-]
Then the chart is correct

Libertarian Right is very close to anarcho-capitalism
User avatar #2079 to #2077 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
The direction of the imaginary vector from the middle is correct, yes, but its length is laughably underrepresented.
#2071 to #2068 - Womens Study Major (06/23/2012) [-]
Radical reformism or gtfo.
User avatar #2076 to #2071 - techketzer (06/23/2012) [-]
Gtfo then, anon.
#2082 to #2076 - Womens Study Major (06/23/2012) [-]
The government is freemasons and dildos
DILDOS EVERYWHERE
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