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User avatar #11611 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
I hate:
People who complain about FunnyJunk... While on FunnyJunk.
People who proclaim themselves "athiests" but believe in the religion of science.
People who play one popular game and call themselves gamers.
FunnyJunkers who worship /b/ as if it was a god.
People who point out every repost but then they do it themselves.
Many other things but I'm too lazy to list them all.
#11633 to #11611 - feelythefeel (09/21/2012) [-]
"The religion of science."

Science as a whole is what holds together the very fabric of our universe, and possibly all universes. It determines whether you'll have a sunny day or the worst tornado of the decade, full power or a power outage, and even whether or not you get the continued privilege of stealing our Oxygen.

To call something so concrete and definite a "Religion" is an insult to all things more self aware than rocks.
User avatar #11640 to #11633 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
Like I said below, everything is perceived through the five senses
You believing that things picked up with those five senses is "everything" sounds a lot like a religion to me. Just like Christians believe that God made everything, also believe me I do not belong to any religion but I keep my mind open to the possibility of something past things humans and animals can perceive.
#11650 to #11640 - feelythefeel (09/21/2012) [-]
It's better to extend out knowledge of this world through science than through its denial, no matter what may be out there. No matter how crazy things we may find are, they can be explained by logic, reason and scientific method, because by definition they must be to exist in our universe.
User avatar #11654 to #11650 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
What you're saying is a belief. You believe that everything in the universe can be explained by logic or reason. There is absolutely no way to prove that. Also, like I said there are things in the universe that we can't even experience.
#11660 to #11654 - feelythefeel (09/21/2012) [-]
1.) Occam's Razor. It, put simply, states that the hypothesis that makes the fewest assumptions and in general is simplest is likely the most correct. Assumptions made by believing science being an ample way to examine our world: 0. Assumptions made by believing that science is the equivalent of religion: As countless as the stars. Science wins.

2.) As the one proposing something, you must come up with evidence of your own. To quote Christopher Hitchens: “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence” .

3.) Your argument is effectively an argument from ignorance. For more on that, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance.
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#11613 to #11611 - pottslande (09/21/2012) [-]
People who proclaim themselves "athiests" but believe in the religion of science

believe in the religion of science

the religion of science

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
User avatar #11624 to #11613 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
What I mean is: People who take science so seriously that they treat it like a religion.
User avatar #11625 to #11624 - pottslande (09/21/2012) [-]
How could you treat science like a religion?

It's tested facts about our known universe and procedures for discovering more facts.
User avatar #11626 to #11625 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
Reality is what you perceive through your five senses.
Everything that has been tested and proven has been seen through those five senses.
Beyond those five senses something else exists, it has not been "proven" but it's been felt.
Also, what you're saying is that the only thing you believe is what scientists and "experts" tell you... Sounds like they are the equivalent to priests...
#11669 to #11626 - dcmp (09/21/2012) [-]
How could somebody feel something outside of the 5 senses? Atoms are too small for eyes to perceive, but can be detected with machines. But you will argue that we perceive that data with sight. This is an argument that cannot be proven or disproven, and is meant to make people confused. You cannot say there is something outside the 5 senses then say people have felt it. That is a sense. You cannot claim something exists, when you have no proof. Also, science has something called peer review. And people who fabricate data and make lies have their reputations destroyed and are ridiculed. If you want to say there is something outside the senses, or that we are being fooled by our senses, go a head, but you have an untestable hypothesis, actually it is less than a hypothesis because a hypothesis needs to be testable. If you believe that something exists outside the senses, then you take that on faith, which is believing without evidence. Science is not a religion. Science is science.
User avatar #11670 to #11669 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
I have never seen an atom, nor do I plan to. I have never felt anything outside normal reality, nor do I plan to. Same difference.
User avatar #11672 to #11670 - dcmp (09/21/2012) [-]
ok? That doesn't make sense. I don't know if you are trying to make a statement or just saying something for shits and gigs. You said in your previous quote "Beyond those five senses something else exists, it has not been "proven" but it's been felt. " I told you why that is impossible. And like I said atoms cannot be seen by the naked eye, but can be detected by machines. What I am trying to say is, everything in the universe that exists can be detected in some way, eventually.
User avatar #11685 to #11672 - nockae (09/22/2012) [-]
I don't know how I can explain this any better. Enjoy your religion of science. Also look up A Guide For The Purplexed by E. F. Schumacher
User avatar #11686 to #11685 - dcmp (09/22/2012) [-]
Science is not a religion. Religion is faith and belief. Science is knowledge and learning. The only people who think they are the same are ignorant to what science really is. If you do not know how to explain your point any better than you obviously do not understand it well enough. Scientists are not holy men who are infallible, we do not have a book that we base our lives on. We do not pray to a supernatural being. Science is about asking questions, it is curiosity. Every aspect of religion is absent in science, have different characteristics.
User avatar #11687 to #11686 - nockae (09/22/2012) [-]
People who follow the religion of science believe that things experienced through the five senses are the only things that exist. Which is partially true, things only exist to humans that we can experience through our five senses. You being that closed minded, following science THAT closely believing that everything that you experience is as it seems and as it is told is exactly was it is, is not exact but close to a religion.
User avatar #11688 to #11687 - dcmp (09/22/2012) [-]
Ok since you are making such bold claims that science is a religion, and that there is something outside the senses of man, that we cannot detect, yet you somehow know exists, and that our senses are tricking us, i ask you to do one thing. Prove it, and I will concede to your argument, and hail you as mighty lord of manliness and endless fury, and I will believe every word you say. Prove it and I will shut up. Prove it.

also sharks can detect electromagnetic waves, but humans can't. but we can detect them with technology. bringing up a point from before, everything can be detected, eventually.
User avatar #11689 to #11688 - nockae (09/22/2012) [-]
There is no way to prove it because we can only experience things through our senses. How many times have I said this. I can not prove it because our physical bodies cannot detect it. There is no possible way to "prove" it. Our senses are not tricking us, they're showing us things in the way they can. Also Electromagnetic waves are an example. I'm sure that it would be possible to make a machine to detect "energy fields" or whatever you want to call it. I am not completely disagreeing with you. I am just saying that people follow science just like Christians follow the bible or God, saying that science, or Christianity, is the one true path to follow. Not in those exact words of course.
User avatar #11692 to #11689 - dcmp (09/22/2012) [-]
If you cannot prove it, then do not claim it is true. Also, science doesn't tell me that everything my senses show me is as it seems, my brain does that. Science does not tell me that the stove is hot, my burning hand does. I do not know what you mean by energy fields, but we can detect energy, and I don't want to divulge the entire elctromagnetic spectrum to you, and like I said before, everything in the universe can be detected, eventually, and everything in the universe can be explained using natural means, eventually.. And also I concede the fact that there are people in the world that follow science LIKE a religion, that does NOT make science a religion. It just means there are stupid people who believe whatever they are told. But to anybody who knows the scientific method, and actually understands the nature of science, it is blatantly obvious that it is not a religion.
User avatar #11694 to #11692 - nockae (09/22/2012) [-]
I never meant to say science was a religion. If you took it that way I'm sorry. What you said is true, I meant the people who follow science like a religion. And thanks for the discussion it has been nice to talk to someone with brains for once.
User avatar #11696 to #11694 - dcmp (09/22/2012) [-]
Same here, and I apologize if I have been a dick. You have a unique perspective.
User avatar #11638 to #11626 - madjik (09/21/2012) [-]
If I had a choice between believing a well respected scientist with a phd and has dedicated most of his/her life to studying his/her particular field, with all their theories being constantly tested, redone and improved upon, to a person who has only a book and his "faith" to rely upon...yea I'm going to back the scientist.
User avatar #11641 to #11638 - nockae (09/21/2012) [-]
You're taking our reality too seriously. Even is the scientist is using everything he can perceive to answer people's common questions, such as: "Why are we here?" "How are we here?". But so did early priests from most religions.
You have to understand, religions don't stand for what they used to.
Christianity was so different in the beginning that what is called "Christianity" is nothing like it should be. Jesus stood for equality for all men, and yeah I know they had slaves but they were not considered men yet. He stood for peace and justice. But now things are much different. People take it he stood for killing anyone who doesn't agree with him... Anywho... Like I said scientists can only deal with things we experience in our physical bodies, through the five senses. There are people like Siddhartha (Buddha) who dealt with things beyond that. You keeping your mind to only science sounds an awful lot like modern religion to me.
User avatar #11723 to #11641 - madjik (09/22/2012) [-]
I'm keeping my mind on science because all theories have been proved 100% true or at least have some substantial backing behind it. It is nothing like religion as any claim by a scientist concerning anything will be constantly tested, redone and improved upon, Christianity relies on a book and faith that it is correct.

Also science does not just deal with things we can experience with our 5 senses, theoretical physics for an example. Theoretically, worm holes should exist, have we ever seen one? No. But they are predicted to exist through mathematical models and scientific theory.
User avatar #11628 to #11626 - jokeface (09/21/2012) [-]
I like you, man.
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