Textbook definition of Irony. Sorry for the res but still a cool pic.
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#3 - captnpl ONLINE (09/29/2013) [-]
#4 - soulkiller (09/29/2013) [-]
Lumberjacks: The root of all evil
#48 to #4 - Arrogonios (09/30/2013) [-]
Got a problem with my school?
Got a problem with my school?
User avatar #89 to #48 - quoterox (09/30/2013) [-]
What the hell do you have to chop in northern arizona?
User avatar #113 to #89 - Arrogonios (09/30/2013) [-]
Coconino national forest is the largest ponderosa pine forest in North America. And despite its reputation as one giant desert, Arizona is one of the most geographically diverse states in the US. We've got lakes, rivers, deciduous forests, coniferous forests, high altitude desert, low altitude desert, and an asston of mountains. Flagstaff (home of NAU) sits right in the middle of the state, right where many of these landscapes meet. I can drive a half hour south, and spend the day boating on Mormon lake or wading in Oak Creek Canyon. I can drive 15 minutes north and lose myself hiking in the mountains for weeks on end or go another hour to get to the Grand Canyon. I can head west along I-40 and see nothing but different kinds of trees for hours. East is where the Natives and reservations are. Lotta casinos there.
User avatar #115 to #113 - quoterox (09/30/2013) [-]
Ok. Good to know.
#114 to #113 - Arrogonios (09/30/2013) [-]
Forgot to attach this.
User avatar #75 to #4 - dinkcool (09/30/2013) [-]
The scence in the picture is caused by people removing trees that fell during a hurricane here in Sweden several years ago. So its not actually any evil human destruction.
#91 to #78 - taniman (09/30/2013) [-]
Shut your whore mouth Carlos or I will break your fu*king neck
#37 to #4 - gerfox ONLINE (09/30/2013) [-]
#38 to #4 - kaycie (09/30/2013) [-]
Lumberjacks: The root of all my fetishes
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User avatar #2 to #1 - hammerzietcht (09/29/2013) [-]
You Sir are a scholar and a gentleman.
User avatar #9 to #1 - ktbmnf (09/30/2013) [-]
i... i dont see it. im so confused :s
User avatar #10 to #9 - spanishiqiustion (09/30/2013) [-]
he made it a wallpaper i think?
#14 to #10 - ktbmnf (09/30/2013) [-]
oh now i just feel like a massive 			*******		 dick....
oh now i just feel like a massive ******* dick....
User avatar #51 to #14 - camdonwin (09/30/2013) [-]
gross
#7 - adu ONLINE (09/29/2013) [-]
User avatar #11 to #7 - spanishiqiustion (09/30/2013) [-]
you ****** i was gonna do that thumbed for being faster
User avatar #21 to #7 - demandsgayversion (09/30/2013) [-]
It doesn't get much more ironic than this. The area with the trees taken out is shaped like a tree.
User avatar #58 to #7 - Crusader (09/30/2013) [-]
Irony
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

This could be seen as ironic since you wouldn't think a logging site would be in the shape of a tree, you would think it would be relatively organized.
#29 to #7 - articulate (09/30/2013) [-]
Ironic - adj. 3. coincidental; unexpected    
dictionary.reference.com/browse/ironic?s=t   
   
It's not coincidental; it's just fortuitous!
Ironic - adj. 3. coincidental; unexpected
dictionary.reference.com/browse/ironic?s=t

It's not coincidental; it's just fortuitous!
#96 to #7 - bassdinosaur (09/30/2013) [-]
irony actually has a very broad definition. no one really knows exactly what it is and people have many different opinions on what it is. don't try to debate irony. it opens a can of worms that no one wants to be in.
User avatar #108 to #96 - articulate (09/30/2013) [-]
Being surrounded by worms actually sounds like it would feel good.
User avatar #52 to #7 - anonymoose (09/30/2013) [-]
By destroying a tree, they made a tree. That is irony.
User avatar #12 to #7 - Blargosnarf ONLINE (09/30/2013) [-]
But that is ironic, the path of deforestation makes the shape of a tree, that's like if Death made a heart.
User avatar #20 to #12 - gobnick (09/30/2013) [-]
i would say it would be more like death making a fetus...
User avatar #23 to #20 - brucekillah (09/30/2013) [-]
closer to death giving birth
User avatar #112 to #20 - derpdy (09/30/2013) [-]
if death delivered a baby
#26 to #12 - ofalo (09/30/2013) [-]
no that's symbolic not ironic. ironic would be "deforestation now deemed by experts to be a good thing for the atmosphere and even grow back trees faster than usual" because its the opposite of what is expected
User avatar #30 to #26 - aldheim (09/30/2013) [-]
Deforestation does help new trees grow, because it increases the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, which trees use.
It's also a good thing for the atmosphere, assuming you are a photosynthetic/anaerobic organism.
User avatar #32 to #30 - childofnephilim (09/30/2013) [-]
Am I allowed, therefore, to find his comment, which was meant to illustrate why something was NOT ironic, illustrated why something WAS ironic?
User avatar #15 to #12 - adu ONLINE (09/30/2013) [-]
It depends on how you look at it. Some people measure irony by intent, others measure it by end result. It's ironic in the sense that destroying trees ended up creating another, but it's not ironic in the sense that it's just the illusion of a tree that likely won't last as deforestation continues. That would be a double-allegory.
User avatar #25 to #15 - retardedboss (09/30/2013) [-]
I believe the proper definition of irony is something that is the exact opposite of what you would expect. I would not expect to form a tree whilst cutting down trees. This is indeed ironic no matter how you look at it.
User avatar #16 to #12 - duvallwhitey (09/30/2013) [-]
thatsthejoke.bmp
User avatar #17 to #16 - Blargosnarf ONLINE (09/30/2013) [-]
That's not a joke...
User avatar #19 to #17 - temporalguardian (09/30/2013) [-]
LEL THATS THE JOKE TOO
User avatar #18 to #17 - duvallwhitey (09/30/2013) [-]
You would have to see the episode of the animated comedy
#8 - anon (09/29/2013) [-]
I would go out on a limb to say this is shopped but there are no limbs so I guess its legit
#101 - ucmerolling (09/30/2013) [-]
**ucmerolling rolled a random image posted in comment #60 at Gaming with mac ** "text book" hue.
#31 - chaosbreaker (09/30/2013) [-]
"Words that do not mean their literal intention. Now that. Is. Irony."
User avatar #123 to #31 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
Irony
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
#98 - kanpai (09/30/2013) [-]
that's not irony, that's just coincedental
User avatar #121 to #98 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
No, it's Irony.

You would not expect a logging company to create a tree.
Therefore the outcome is the opposite of what is intended.

Irony
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
User avatar #99 to #98 - subaqueousreach (09/30/2013) [-]
It could be comedic irony, but I'm too tired to figure it out for sure.
User avatar #102 to #99 - Shitthatscrazy (09/30/2013) [-]
your right. they chopped down trees and by a coincidence then ground is marked with the appearance of a tree from where they were all removed which is pretty ironic.
#83 - flyingicecream (09/30/2013) [-]
**flyingicecream rolled a random image posted in comment #138 at Sexy time ** This roll is ironic
#72 - anon (09/30/2013) [-]
This wasn't actually created through the use of lumberjacks for deforestation, it actually occurred when a hurricane hit Sweden in 2005. This is the image after they had cleared the debris.

#5 - jertzula (09/29/2013) [-]
Actually the textbook definition of irony is "the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect"
User avatar #22 to #5 - demandsgayversion (09/30/2013) [-]
That's sarcasm.
User avatar #33 to #22 - oishiine (09/30/2013) [-]
Sarcasm is verbal irony.
User avatar #35 to #33 - demandsgayversion (09/30/2013) [-]
No? The textbook definition of irony is wrong, then. The definition of a word is meaningless beyond how it's used in society, and the way we use irony is not jertzula's book's definition, it's how we as a people use it. Which is not like that.
User avatar #36 to #35 - oishiine (09/30/2013) [-]
I don't understand
User avatar #61 to #36 - Crusader (09/30/2013) [-]
He's being a cunt by saying that the definition provided can't be used because people don't normally use the word in that manner.
User avatar #116 to #61 - demandsgayversion (10/01/2013) [-]
So you're telling me you call a bundle of sticks a faggot? When you're happy, you say "BOY DO I FEEL GAY"? No. Because the meaning of those words have changed due to the use of them by people. I used to correct people on the definition of words, but the fact is that language isn't an objective system.
User avatar #117 to #116 - Crusader (10/01/2013) [-]
Those words can still be used in those contexts, just like sarcasm is verbal irony.
Just because faggot is also used as a derogatory term for gay men doesn't mean it's no longer used to describe a bundle of sticks
Just because gay is used to describe homosexuals doesn't mean that it stops being used as a term for happiness
User avatar #118 to #117 - demandsgayversion (10/02/2013) [-]
There isn't another word for my definition (the common and normally used one) of irony. That's why it's irony, because there isn't another goddamn word for it, and "irony" is the word people use to describe it. "Using language to express the opposite idea" is not ironic. Not in any way. But we have a word for this, 'sarcasm'. I don't think anyone has ever mistaken sarcasm for irony, and if they have, they don't understand irony.
User avatar #119 to #118 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
Sarcasm is verbal irony.

i·ro·ny1 [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Show IPA
noun, plural i·ro·nies.
1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.Literature.

a.a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b.(especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3.Socratic irony.
4.dramatic irony.
5.an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

See, the first definition.
Verbal irony is known as sarcasm. Because what one expects when hearing those words is the opposite of the actual meaning, as expressed through the tone by which you say it.

And to show it, some of the world leading dictionaries.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sarcasm?s=t
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm?show=0&t=1380677872
oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sarcasm?q=Sarcasm

Sarcasm is verbal irony
User avatar #126 to #119 - demandsgayversion (10/02/2013) [-]
Sarcasm is not verbal irony, that is not irony. The use of the word "irony" has changed since the writing of that definition, making it outdated and incorrect. That doesn't make the people using the word incorrect, because language is an arbitrary system made by people, and we create the meaning to words.
User avatar #127 to #126 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
A definition doesn't cease to exist because a group of people no longer use it.

A word can have many definitions. Like cock, it can refer to a penis or a rooster, just because most people use it to refer to a penis doesn't mean it no longer refers to a rooster.

Not to mention language is not arbitrary, if it were arbitrary things like grammar and spelling wouldn't mean anything. Wee kuld spel laik this and as long as peepul culd understand us, it wuldnt mater. But no, there are proper ways of speaking, of writing, and certain meanings for certain words, a word doesn't cease to mean something if people still use that word for that meaning.
User avatar #128 to #127 - demandsgayversion (10/02/2013) [-]
Language IS arbitrary. When a person makes the sound "dog", it only refers to that animal because we have all agreed that it means that. Do you believe English originated from some higher edict that created language? Do you think Mariam and Webster gave meaning to all words and taught them to people? No! People use a word to describe a thing, and then everyone agrees that that word describes that thing. Grammar is just a mechanism used in written language that translated into verbal communication as intricate written language gained popularity. And yes, a word can have many definition, but only if those definitions are used. Some people call roosters cocks, but NOBODY confuses sarcasm with irony. Nobody. Not even you, I would wager.
User avatar #129 to #128 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
so, are you just gonna thumb down 5 of my comments a day or something?
User avatar #130 to #129 - demandsgayversion (10/02/2013) [-]
You started thumbing me down without engaging in any conveersation, and that bothered me. So not 5 a day, but I was planning to **** up a few of your zeros for every thumb down you give me. A petty gesture without debate, at least the guy above is trying to prove himself correct.
#131 to #130 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (10/02/2013) [-]
So, the order of our petty thumb war was this

1) You thumbed my comment down
score (you-me): 1-0
2) I thumbed down your "that's sarcasm comment"
1-1
3) You thumbed down 5 of my comments
6-1
4) I thumb down the other 2 comment you made in this thread at the time
6-3
5) You thumbed down another 5 of my comments
11-3
6) I thumbed down a page of your comments (so 30) and called you out
11-33

So you are pissed off I thumbed you down “without engaging in any conveersation" when you did the same thing first.
So you are saying that you were "planning to **** up a few of your zeros" for every thumb down I gave you when I gave you a single thumb down.
I'll admit I went a little overboard with the -30, but honestly, you started it.

If you want me to justify my points:
Irony originally referred to how a person, situation, statement, or circumstance is not as it would actually seem. I made my comment because the definition of the word changed because people use it incorrectly more than correctly.
The definition Jertzula posted is the current definition of irony in the Webster dictionary. The current definition of sarcasm is "the use of irony to mock or convey contempt". You thumbed me down and you made a false comment with, what seemed to me to be, a snobby tone so I thumbed you down. You then retaliated by thumbing down 5 of my comments so I thumbed down your "sarcasm isn't verbal irony comment" because sarcasm is indeed a form of verbal irony and your analogy comment because I felt it was a poor analogy.

I had time before class yesterday so I decided to spend 2 minutes while I waited for water to boil to retaliate to your thumb war by thumbing down a page (30) of your comments.
User avatar #134 to #131 - demandsgayversion (10/02/2013) [-]
I thumbed down one comment, you stayed. You kept coming back over and over to thumb **** down in a conversation you were contributing nothing And I call ******** on that list of 30, as my profile is private and I don't see any -1's in my latest comments. Those -1s are gonna bother the **** out of you. And again, just because a word is in a dictionary doesn't make that the definition. The definition of a word is created by the people who use it, Webster isn't a god. The dictionary needs updated in this scenario to reflect how words are used.
User avatar #137 to #134 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
that better?
Having a private profile doesn't do ****
User avatar #138 to #137 - demandsgayversion (10/03/2013) [-]
You are a petty cunt.
User avatar #141 to #138 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
also, i can still thumb you down even if you block me.
User avatar #139 to #138 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
after checking the thumb timestamps, I realized that I made a mistake in my story. I thumbed down comment #35 at the same time as i did #22. The reasons I thumbed down #22 is mainly because you thumbed me down but also because you made a false claim and thumbed down Jertzula despite him being right. As for #35, it was basically a bitchy run-on sentence that sounds like a 7th grader wrote it. After this you started thumbing down my comments indiscriminately and I proceed to thumb down your comment #116. You continued to thumb down my comments indiscriminately so I thumbed down your top 30 comments. You then tried to taunt me by bragging that your profile was set to private and that I was bluffing when I said that I gave you -30 so i thumbed down your 30 most recent comments to show that I could. If I really gave a **** about thumbs I would of set my profile to private to stop you from thumbing me down or I could log on to my old account and just thumb my comments back up. Hell I'll thumb this comment down so you don't say I'm bluffing.
User avatar #140 to #139 - hehcowsmoo (10/03/2013) [-]
and its thumbed down
-drtrousersnake
User avatar #136 to #134 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
fine I'll thumb down your 10 most recent ones if it will make you happy
User avatar #133 to #128 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
And lastly, I concede that verbal Irony is not inherently sarcasm.

Verbal Irony is a statement in which the meaning that a speaker employs is sharply different from the meaning that is ostensibly expressed. The ironic statement usually involves the explicit expression of one attitude or evaluation, but with indications in the overall speech-situation that the speaker intends a very different, and often opposite, attitude or evaluation.
Whereas Sarcasm is less more direct, but less precise.

Verbal Irony would be saying "As pleasant as a rattlesnake"
Sarcasm would be saying "That rattlesnake was so pleasant"

Meaning that, I admit I was not completely correct, but neither were you.
Sarcasm is often a form of Irony, and will continue to be which.
User avatar #132 to #128 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
No, but arbitrary literally means "without meaning"

So if language was truly arbitrary, then theoretically we could make any noise and mean it to have any meaning and that would still be correct.
But it isn't.
I can't say "Oog mat to clactik" and expect the person to understand that I am asking "Where is the bathroom?" NO! Because language is self regulating, if so many people agree that a certain sound or groups of sounds represent a certain meaning, and then it becomes so widely known that it is the sound for the meaning.

Irony is doing something and having consequences that are different than what you intended.
Because there are various forms of Irony.

There is dramatic irony, when something is said/done on stage that to the characters is insignificant, or not completely grasped, but makes sense to the audience because they see the entirety of the situation. Like a character talking about someone that is hiding behind the curtain, or a character saying they want to get in contact with someone who can help, meanwhile the person they are talking to is the person who can help them and they don't know that (Think Kick Ass)

There is Socratic irony, which is pretended ignorance in discussion, which I sincerely hope is what you are doing. Such as a genius pretending to be an idiot, yet still participating in a discussion.

There is situational irony. Where the intended use of an object is the opposite of what it ends up doing. Such as the assassination attempt on Reagan, where the shooter missed Reagan, but one of the bullets ricocheted of the armoured car and hit Reagan, meaning that something designed to protect the president inadvertently harmed the president.
User avatar #135 to #132 - demandsgayversion (10/03/2013) [-]
" then theoretically we could make any noise and mean it to have any meaning and that would still be correct. " We could! That's what language IS! If everyone agrees a word means something, then the word means something.
User avatar #59 to #5 - Crusader (09/30/2013) [-]
Irony
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

This could be seen as ironic since you wouldn't think a logging site would be in the shape of a tree, you would think it would be relatively organized.

There are numerous definitions.
User avatar #13 to #5 - drtrousersnake ONLINE (09/30/2013) [-]
So the word irony has been misused to the point where the dictionary definition had to be changed?
#54 - anon (09/30/2013) [-]
I don't see why people don't see that this is irony. The pattern of the death of all of these trees happens to grow out like a tree. IRONY
Coincidence would be if the pattern looked like a lumberjack or somethin
User avatar #42 - rockamekishiko (09/30/2013) [-]
i don't think this is irony. Just because it's not expected doesn't mean it's irony. Irony is the OPPOSITE of what's expected. I know it shapes a tree but deforestation isn't helping trees - THAT would be ironic
User avatar #57 to #42 - Crusader (09/30/2013) [-]
Irony
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

This could be seen as ironic since you wouldn't think a logging site would be in the shape of a tree, you would think it would be relatively organized.
User avatar #109 to #57 - rockamekishiko (09/30/2013) [-]
that's not exactly expecting the opposite
User avatar #39 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account** (09/30/2013) [-]
Not like it is a bad thing, they plant those trees so they can cut them down later rather than cutting down forests.
#46 - deathleprechaun (09/30/2013) [-]
**deathleprechaun rolled a random image posted in comment #6015052 at Admin's personal trolling board. ** MFW People arguing with title.
User avatar #76 to #46 - dinkcool (09/30/2013) [-]
Considering the picture is taken in Sweden I have to say thats a pretty nice roll.
User avatar #65 to #46 - pineapplechunkss (09/30/2013) [-]
nice face
#95 - pehtran (09/30/2013) [-]
**pehtran rolled a random image posted in comment #15 at Harry ** this is even more ironic...
#68 - anon (09/30/2013) [-]
[ClariS] irony
User avatar #44 - capslockrage (09/30/2013) [-]
technically..... I don't think that actually is irony...
User avatar #43 - nigeltheoutlaw (09/30/2013) [-]
Isn't the green on the bottom trees that the loggers are replanting to replace the ones that they've cut down? Aside from the lack of actual irony I feel like this could be a lot worse than it is.
User avatar #124 to #43 - Crusader (10/02/2013) [-]
Irony
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

It is ironic.
User avatar #45 to #43 - noblexfenrir (09/30/2013) [-]
Actually, what people don't realize is paper/wood/fiber based companies help trees thrive more than anything. The bigger their business the more trees they cut but that also means the more trees they plant. This is not only good for current thriving areas, but it also helps areas with constant overgrowth and dwindling nutrients. Recycling paper and other products that require trees to be cut down actually ends up hurting them in the process, especially if the business was big before the giant recycling boom, because now they have absolutely no incentive to plant as many trees as they used to and so some areas go completely barren.

The main killer of forests is actually establishment of real estate more than anything.
User avatar #93 to #45 - nigeltheoutlaw (09/30/2013) [-]
I agree with some of those sentiments, but that's only true if the companies actually practice sustainable logging, which many don't. That's why the rainforests of the Amazon and Southeast Asia are shrinking rapidly.
User avatar #41 - alria (09/30/2013) [-]
We as humans can have such a cruel sense of humor.
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