Top kek. .. While I realize that this is very very true, it would help if you provided sources in the description for those who don't understand. I hate Israel, and not bec
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User avatar #3 - asheskirata (09/21/2013) [-]
While I realize that this is very very true, it would help if you provided sources in the description for those who don't understand.

I ******* hate Israel, and not because I'm anti-semitic because I'm ******* not. I hate it because of the **** that it's been doing.
User avatar #10 - sluge (09/22/2013) [-]
Being an Iranian, I support this.
User avatar #1 - atrumaliger (09/21/2013) [-]
If your information is true, I support this.
#2 to #1 - schnizel ONLINE (09/21/2013) [-]
Thanks bro.
Thanks bro.
#4 - davidteninch (09/22/2013) [-]
How are the territories Israel owns illegal? They were attacked immediately after Britain gave them independence and they took land from their aggressors. Tough **** , that's literally how every single nation in history has been formed.

If you were invaded by all your neighbors simultaneously in the same year you were given independence, you'd be pretty edgy too.
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#7 to #6 - davidteninch (09/22/2013) [-]
Israel has been around even before the Romans. They're the ones who lost land to the Muslims in the first place. See the problem? Why should it be considered Arabic land when Arabs took it from the Jews who finally got it back in 1945. Who determines who has rightful claim?

Pic related, Israel in the 11th century BCE.
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#15 to #9 - anon (09/22/2013) [-]
You do realise that the Jews didn';t just rock up and take the land, they were already there? The original partition plans took into account Jewish and Muslim populations and tried to divide the land based on regional demographics. After the initial borders were drawn up mass-emigration occured from both sides, with the Jewish populations leaving the surrounding Muslim lands and Palestinians willingly going the other way.

It wasn't until the Islamic world **** its pants and failed utterly at ganging up on Israel that any kind of forced emigration came in, and then for the most part people were offered compensation. Israels borders keep growing because A. Their neighbours keep trying to exterminate them and getting their asses handed, B. Because they're under constant threat they keep moving to strengthen their borders and defensive capability by seizing strategic points.
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User avatar #13 to #9 - davidteninch (09/22/2013) [-]
That is actually a bit of what I'm saying. There's no fine line between who has rightful ownership to territory. Different people have occupied different sections of land for centuries.

German citizens were forcibly uprooted and shoved out of what is modern day western Poland, even though Germanic groups have inhabited those lands for much longer than any Polish claims there. The only reason it wasn't debated is because Germans were labeled "bad guys" at the time even if they were ordinary citizens.
#8 to #7 - slias (09/22/2013) [-]
He who has been there the longest and most recently. As such the Israelis have regained their claim to the land, whilst the Palestinians also maintain theirs. Essentially, the entire situation is royally ****** .
User avatar #17 to #6 - SuitUp (09/22/2013) [-]
"stole the land"

Top Kek alright.
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User avatar #19 to #18 - SuitUp (09/22/2013) [-]
Either you have a very warped sense of the term 'steal' or you have oversimplified and misunderstood a vastly complex situation.
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User avatar #21 to #20 - SuitUp (09/22/2013) [-]
Israel didn't go from being all-Arab to Jew-only overnight. There was a hearty mix of both before and after the partition. Dispensing with all the complex politics, after the partition plan was suggested and the British left, Israel declared independance and was immediately attacked on all sides. The end result was that they won, and with it their independance - thats how declaring independance and winning a war against dissenters works.

The exodus came as a by-product of this, the majority left because they didn't want to live under Jewish rule or were scared because of the fighting, fighting incidentally caused by the Arab nations. Yes people were forced out of their homes during this war, as always happens during wars to secure borders and remove internal threats. Those that were actually physically forced out by the Israeli government have since been offered some form of compensation. Jews from the surrounding countries have since moved into Israel.

Now it's obviously all far more complicated than this and Israel are by no means white knights. But the 'stealing' argument has always been as moronic as the 'they were there thousands of years ago' argument. "so they can come back any time and take what they want. " I would point out that the only difference there is the timescale as it is now the Arabs that wish to simply come back and take what they want.
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User avatar #23 to #22 - SuitUp (09/22/2013) [-]
Except that isn't remotely what happened. Though actually, if England were to invade Ireland and 'nobody could get them out' then actually it would be tough **** , thats not an oppinion thats just realism based on that hilarious premise.

Next year, Scotland will vote on whether or not to become independant. If they vote in favour then they shall become an independant country, whether England likes it or not. If they voted for independance and then England declared war on them but failed, then would Scotland have earned it's independance or have they simply stolen land?

Israel HAD the international communities blessing when it was formed.

You seem to be writing off the large Jewish population that was already in residence before. The rest is woefully self-contradictory.
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User avatar #25 to #24 - SuitUp (09/23/2013) [-]
The Jews don't have a say over their land then? No Arab displacement occured until AFTER armed Arab hostilities against Israel.

Oh, you're one of those. I myself find that a highly unlikely situation, which I can be confident in because the world is not as depicted by the Daily ******* Mail. Also, you may want to learn the definition of 'Arab' because the majority of Englands Islamic immigration comes from Pakistan, and they would be fairly offended to be called Arabs. But anyway, it's a terribly flawed argument as it is: Of course the majority of the population decides on the running of the country, to say that 'natives' get a higher priority vote is taking a huge step backwards. If you live in England, you are English and get an equal say.

Israel is 'losing support' because of a myriad of current actions taken by them and a changing situation in the East. They are losing support for their currewnt actions, not support for their right to exist. Nobody is about to suggest a disolution of Israel except for the usual bunch that have done since the start.

We can all see why? Are you really so bigoted as to attribute an independant countries actions to an entire race of people? Thats as bad as saying the backlash against Muslims because of 9/11 was justified.
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User avatar #27 to #26 - SuitUp (09/23/2013) [-]
Yes 'their'. As I've already said, it was the Jewish population already living there that declared their independance. If you wish to look at an example of a precident of what happens after this event look at America and it's war for independance.

Where the hell do you live and from what awful source are you getting your information? We only have a problem with certain muslim communities within England - honor killings etc but these are few and far between. It's only a crises in the eyes of the uninformed and idiotic.

Jew is often attributed as a race, for the last few millenia actually. Semantics aside, you're still saying that prejudice is justified by the actions of a few, unrelated by anything other than a Faith. Or do you think anti-semitism applies only to the Israeli government?

No we're not. At all. Jesus Christ you're sounding more and more like Nick Griffin.
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User avatar #29 to #28 - SuitUp (09/23/2013) [-]
Yeah...those figures aren't even close. I would go into a detailed description of poll biasing in the media but I doubt very much you'd listen or understand it.

"Is that why they kick so many black and arab jews out of Israel, they're a very racist people. "
What point exactly are you trying to make? Jews consider themselves as a race of people as well as it being a religion. This classification has been widely used and is accepted practice.

Ah, so you think anti-sematism applies only to Israel. You're wrong. Glad thats cleared up. Now, if you'd actually like to make a coherant response please go ahead. As it stands all you've shown is that you're a terribly misinformed bigot that has problems with other races and religions.
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User avatar #31 to #30 - SuitUp (09/23/2013) [-]
You realise you're arguing against established semantics? In any case, it doesn't matter. Trying to justify hatred towards a group of people because of the actions of a few is idiotic, ignorent and bigoted.

Who does get to decide what race they are then, you? Let me make this simple, you have nothing. No counterargument, no logical thought process so you're trying to redefine words and argue converse semantics. None of which makes any difference to the fact that you are factually and morally wrong.

I didn't at any point attempt to play a race card, but feel free to throw up a few more strawmen for me to laugh at.
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User avatar #33 to #32 - SuitUp (09/23/2013) [-]
I'm English, how have you not already gathered that?

"Bigoted: extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief, or opinion"
Unlike yourself, I am capable of using words for their actual meaning.

You are, quite frankly, a disgusting human being and I am beyond pleased that you will never be in a position to enforce your beliefs.
User avatar #14 - ibschmitty (09/22/2013) [-]
Frankly that whole section of the world has a bunch of problems, not like any place doesnt, but its all just more complicated then what can be described in such a small undetailed post,
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User avatar #12 to #11 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
No **** detective.
User avatar #5 - moribus (09/22/2013) [-]
no kek
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