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#66 - hueyfreeman (09/22/2013) [-]
I see the problem, they only took the scores of the mean black people and mean white people.

Why didn't they take statistics from some nice people?
#84 to #66 - insertswearword (09/22/2013) [-]
Nice guys finish last
Therefore Hitler wins
User avatar #277 to #84 - eddio ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Except he didn't now, did he?
User avatar #195 to #66 - gayboard ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Nah, you'd need the average.
#87 to #66 - lilRican ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
#42 - messerschmidto (09/22/2013) [-]
Rich ******* are about as smart as poor crackers.
User avatar #8 - adu ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Do SAT scores really measure intelligence, or just retention?
#9 to #8 - fjlee (09/22/2013) [-]
User avatar #67 to #8 - gardenjustice (09/22/2013) [-]
In my experience i've found that the SAT measures intelligence on a more logical level than anything. The math is ridiculously easy as is the english, however most of the questions are designed to trick you rather than being generally hard to answer. Basically if you have a decent brain and have can pick up on logic/trick questions the SAT will be easier than most tests you take. But what do I know, I only got a 1920, I don't even get to be part of the 2000 master race.
#99 to #8 - therealsupanova (09/22/2013) [-]
Im fairly certain that the American psychological association did a study in like 2006 that found an 85% correlation between SAT scores and IQ scores. Neither of them are absolute measures of intelligence but i'd say there's at least SOME connection.
#240 to #8 - Rascal (09/22/2013) [-]
Ether way it shows that black people should stop being so stupid. I think the best solution would just be so send them back to Africa, maybe then our education system will also be better ranked.
#307 to #8 - Rascal (09/22/2013) [-]
No tests truly measure intelligence, not even IQ.

SAT is mostly retention and opinion. (It is a waste of time, it's a shame any colleges use it)
The vocabulary is entirely whether you memorized a dictionary's worth of words no one every uses.
The reading is largely opinion (many questions don't have an absolute correct answer).
Math is just reviewing low level high school math (algebra, geometry, low level trig).
And the essay is entirely BS because the graders are just random assholes, so your grade is based more on them than you. There was actually a pretty big issue that cropped up with essay scores a few years back because of that.

The ACT is less subjective (no opinion based questions that I can remember), with a more scientific focus (higher level high school math, and some science questions). It's many times better than the SAT (less straight memorization and opinion), but it's still just a question of: Did you learn this in high school? Not actual intelligence.
User avatar #15 to #8 - darman (09/22/2013) [-]
They don't even measure retention. More often than not it just comes down to how good you are at gaming tests.
User avatar #19 to #8 - kikisu ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
So the SAT is supposed to test intelligence, how well you can do with the skills you have. The ACT is designed to measure retention. It has science questions on it and stuff like that.
#16 to #8 - Rascal (09/22/2013) [-]
Their point is to measure what students retained from high school in total. Knowledge of the information itself imbues and implies intelligence.
#22 to #8 - dongmongler (09/22/2013) [-]
No 			*****		, dey don't measure that street smarts doe
No ***** , dey don't measure that street smarts doe
#18 to #8 - bigscarygary (09/22/2013) [-]
I don't know about the modern SATs, but I took them in 2002 when they were on the old system. Then, they were about remembering the overview of classes you took in high school. It wasn't "remember that formula you learned" as much as knowing how to divide by fractions, or what a metaphor was. Stuff that if you actually paid attention during the prior four years, you could get with a little bit of studying.
#24 to #8 - Rascal (09/22/2013) [-]
if you have a high IQ then youre going to have a much better natural SAT score than someone with an average IQ, someone with an average IQ can study to get up to a high IQ score, its about 2/3rds intelligence 1/3rd retention

If youre not naturally smart then you'd want to take the ACT which is far more retention based than intelligence
User avatar #153 to #24 - catdevil (09/22/2013) [-]
That would be true but IQ =/= intelligence.
if the link doesn't work than search on youtube "Dnews IQ test" and click the first one it should give a decent explanation.
#280 to #153 - ratiller (09/22/2013) [-]
Obviously it doesn't measure intelligence, it's only like 90%+ correlated with economic success academic success good decision making and every other perceivable thing we would call the result of intelligence
User avatar #25 to #24 - adu ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
There's always margin for error with people who are smart and just don't give a **** , as there are people who are generally slow but know how to retain information long enough to pass a test.
#202 - Jesusnipples (09/22/2013) [-]
I clearly need a cup of coffee or something.   
I just woke up, and I guess my brain isn't awake yet, because when I read the "Mean White/Black Score" I thought it was just the SAT scores from people who were dicks
I clearly need a cup of coffee or something.
I just woke up, and I guess my brain isn't awake yet, because when I read the "Mean White/Black Score" I thought it was just the SAT scores from people who were dicks
User avatar #203 to #202 - garfvader (09/22/2013) [-]
just wat
User avatar #188 - HarvietheDinkle (09/22/2013) [-]
wow these scores kinda suck for both races
User avatar #197 to #188 - jrobninja (09/22/2013) [-]
My stat teacher just showed us a more updated list like this. The mean score for everyone is 1029 now, still pretty bad. If you score a 1600, your already doing better than 99.75% of people who took the SAT...
User avatar #199 to #197 - HarvietheDinkle (09/22/2013) [-]
User avatar #239 to #199 - pokemonstheshiz (09/22/2013) [-]
isn't a 1600 max? or are we including the writing portion here too?
User avatar #241 to #239 - HarvietheDinkle (09/22/2013) [-]
I actually never considered that.

Even so, a 1029 is a ~515 for both sections. Which, although is average, still sucks.
User avatar #245 to #241 - pokemonstheshiz (09/22/2013) [-]
not quit as bad as a 335 average lol
most institution don't actually pay any attention to the writing portion, except sometimes Ivy leagues.
I can't even remember what my SAT scores were now. But I really don't believe this statistic, because my combined score was well above said average, my math score was near the 750 range, and I still didn't get into Cal Tech.
User avatar #10 - demandsgayversion (09/22/2013) [-]
It's also generational. Even if your parents are wealthy, if they grew up in the house where you got beat for asking stupid questions, you're not going to exactly thrive mentally.
User avatar #41 - forkutensil (09/22/2013) [-]
Great. Now show us how white people's SAT score suck compared to asians
User avatar #43 to #41 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
I admit, asians are smarter than us. No buhu, crying and all that stuff. Asians are a proud race of hardworking people.
User avatar #207 to #43 - cleomech (09/22/2013) [-]
I have high respect for the asian population. I don't know why exactly, but I've always felt like they're morally and spiritually advanced compared to the rest of the world.
User avatar #209 to #207 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
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User avatar #242 to #213 - plumotje (09/22/2013) [-]
#78 to #43 - Rascal (09/22/2013) [-]
which is why the last 500 years have been run by asian countries...right.
User avatar #196 to #78 - HarvietheDinkle (09/22/2013) [-]
>implying that whites had supremacy over Asia before the 1700s.
#79 to #78 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Go on.
Go on.
#5 - mymissiondaytwo (09/21/2013) [-]
So poor families are stupid. ****** families are stupider.
Got it.
#6 to #5 - schnizel ONLINE (09/21/2013) [-]
In most cases.
#274 - sonjaynooy (09/22/2013) [-]
Asian Version
User avatar #281 to #274 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
They bring honor to their famiry.
User avatar #266 - sekretguyy (09/22/2013) [-]
But...but correlation doesn't imply causation...
User avatar #297 to #266 - lateday (09/22/2013) [-]
Yeah well, this is only a chart to be honest. You are inferring stuff.
User avatar #304 to #266 - themurp (09/22/2013) [-]
Correlation not implying causation doesn't imply correlation implying causation.
#92 - felixjarl ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Eurofag here, what is this?
User avatar #93 to #92 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Dumb mericans
User avatar #166 to #92 - Ruspanic (09/22/2013) [-]
Actually the highest possible at the time of this study was 1600.
User avatar #96 to #92 - Lycanz (09/22/2013) [-]
The SAT is the test high school students take and send to colleges. the highest possible is 2400.
User avatar #74 - Kabutops (09/22/2013) [-]
They took out the column for asians.
the racial gap was too high
User avatar #76 to #74 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Asians are bretty smart.
User avatar #38 - zeecan (09/22/2013) [-]
I get the feeling funnyjunk really hates black people
like not ironically or anything but seriously hates black people on a kkk level
User avatar #46 to #38 - eating (09/22/2013) [-]
funnyjunk is not 1 person.. some people here hate blacks some dont.. get over it
#39 to #38 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Oh, what did black people do to deserve that, they are more peaceful than monks.
#59 to #38 - trollmobile (09/22/2013) [-]
i don't hate black people
i don't hate anyone for how they look
i hate people for how they act and how they think
i hate muslims, not because they're arab, but because they're muslim, because they follow a religion that tells them everyone that isn't muslim, should be brutally murdered
i have nothing against any arab, i have nothing against any black person
i have a LOT against ******* from the ghetto acting like thugs
i have a lot against muslims screaming discrimination because they can't play their loud-ass prayers from towers, while the church bells ring
i have a lot against christians that oppose abortion and gay marriage
i have a lot against the jew that refuses his son to marry a girl because she's not jewish
i don't hate them for their nose
i don't hate them for their skin colour

i hate noone for the way they look

i hate people for how they think, how they're brought up

i hate cultures, not races.
#2 - nospyonme (09/21/2013) [-]
Those scores are mean
User avatar #13 to #2 - joestraightballa (09/22/2013) [-]
facts are facts man. nothing mean about numbers.
User avatar #26 to #13 - nospyonme (09/22/2013) [-]
The numbers are mean.
User avatar #27 to #26 - joestraightballa (09/22/2013) [-]
numbers aren't mean or nice. they are factual. that's about it.
User avatar #29 to #27 - nospyonme (09/22/2013) [-]
The bottom line is, some numbers are mean
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User avatar #31 to #2 - masterofdisguise (09/22/2013) [-]
I can't believe nobody got that....
User avatar #32 to #31 - nospyonme (09/22/2013) [-]
I really thought I was going to get punished for that.
User avatar #3 to #2 - schnizel ONLINE (09/21/2013) [-]
The truth hurts.
User avatar #11 to #3 - bandoslootshare (09/22/2013) [-]
everyone from my asian relatives are in the mid to lower tax bracket and they all scored top 1% on SAT and went to Ivy league colleges and ending up with good jobs. America is pretty awesome like that (scholarships/Grants), the state gives a lot of help, so do the colleges.
User avatar #14 to #3 - joestraightballa (09/22/2013) [-]
whats up buddy
User avatar #34 to #14 - schnizel ONLINE (09/22/2013) [-]
Nothing much.
User avatar #308 - dumdumduu (09/22/2013) [-]
Is there any way to do an SAT sample test or something like that on the internet?

I'm from Finland, and I've always been interested in seeing how I'd do in the test.
User avatar #236 - foelkera (09/22/2013) [-]
ITT: SRSfags vs Stormfriends
User avatar #231 - TheSnakeShitter (09/22/2013) [-]
Can someone post the source of this information? I am legitimately intrigued and wish to learn more about this study
#223 - orangepikmin (09/22/2013) [-]
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User avatar #208 - ninjabadger (09/22/2013) [-]
Are those really the mean scores?

Holy **** ...good confidence boost I guess
User avatar #210 to #208 - PedoHansen (09/22/2013) [-]
These scores are out of 1600, not 2400.
User avatar #212 to #210 - ninjabadger (09/22/2013) [-]
That makes much more sense then, still a good confidence boost.
User avatar #206 - tittylovin (09/22/2013) [-]
schnizel is the new davidavidson.
Straighta outta /pol/ ain't you?
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