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#24 - articulate
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Now it's art!
#80 to #24 - biot
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I finally laughed today!
I finally laughed today!
#35 to #24 - oxYKellark
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#19 - thelordofrepost
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Why, does everyone think people in the military are just mindless slaves?
Graffiti.
#61 to #19 - darksideofthebeast
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Yes they are mindless slaves.
This is an accurate description, they beat these ideas into their head until all they know how to do is kill.
#28 to #19 - tkfourtwoone
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Because they have to obey their orders, just like mindless slaves?...

Not saying that they are (well, you can bet your ass there are a ******** of Uncle Sam propaganda filled rednecks that just want to shoot **** up), but orders are orders, right?
#30 to #28 - thelastprothean
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Well by that logic, anyone who has a job is a mindless slave
#32 to #30 - tkfourtwoone
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Not exactly.

In most jobs improvisation, free thinking and imagination are sought-after qualities (I'm talking white collar ones, like business enterprises).

Also, I doubt most other jobs involve taking up a gun, sailing across the Ocean, claiming you have brought freedom in a country that you personally have no business in whatsoever and occasionally shoot other people and/or get shot. All due to orders that come from way back home, some 3000-5000km away from a comfy chair.
#34 to #32 - thelastprothean
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Yeah, but you still have to do what your boss tells you. And clearly you aren't sure how the military works, so allow me to educate you. Improvisation and imagination are things that are encouraged in the army as well. And when you are an infantryman, your orders don't come from Washington. They come from NCO's in a base camp or in an FOB. And just because we have a secondary objective in many countries we have our military in, that doesn't mean we don't care about the civilians. We do care about the civilians and we don't want to see them killed
#41 to #34 - tkfourtwoone
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That the case may be, but I don't think that those NCOs establish the main "global" strategy in a campaign.
Indeed, I guess they are given the freedom to carry out their orders in the way they see most fit, but we're not exactly talking about grunts (no offense) such as the subject from the content, right?

Now, all things considered, of course there are a number of civilian domains that can also **** people's lives over (over-greedy corporations, anyone?) but still it's not quite a healthy parallel.

And about the civilians part... I do believe the US Army still accepts some very rotten apples for whom civies are nothing more than funny target practice. Happened in Vietnam, still happens today.
I'm not saying that's a generalization, heaven forbid, but it still happens.

Also, I have an irk about the US playing World Police. I know that sometimes Western intervention is needed, but most of the times the self-righteous pretention of bringing "freedom and justice" in the Far East theater of operations makes me sick.
Just say that you are working of having a foothold in that region of the world, trying to keep a balance, playing a large game of chess against the other powerful nations of the world, just be goddamn honest, and I'm fine with it.
#45 to #41 - xpurpledragonx ONLINE
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(09/15/2013) [-]
But thats part of the game.
#108 to #34 - robertolee
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(09/15/2013) [-]
So what happens if you don't agree with the war and refuse to go?
#127 to #108 - thelastprothean
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Then you probably shouldn't have joined the military.
#129 to #127 - robertolee
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That is my point. The military is lack of freedom so matter what you think (even if you do have a brain) is pointless because you can't do anything about it and generally only the stupid will agree to do as their told with unwavering obedience.
#110 to #108 - anon
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Jail for yoooouuuuu
At least if it's a draft
#111 to #110 - robertolee
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exactly my point. You can claim to have a certain amount of freedom but its total ********, you have freedom within the job but no where else. At least if my manager tells me to do something I don't want to I can tell him to **** off and quit.
#58 to #34 - iiteemss
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I have a friend deployed in Afghanistan right now. His job is to guard a 15k acre marijuana field owned and operated by the United States Government (they sell the crop to citizens to make a profit to fund the military). His orders are to shoot and kill anyone who comes within 500 yards of the perimeter. Men, women, and children. Now before you type your response, understand I am in no way anti-military, I have my own experience with it. Just stating a fact
#33 to #32 - rockinronster
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Says the guy who's never served a day in his life, and who's interpretation of the military is solely based of of Fox news.
#36 to #33 - tkfourtwoone
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(09/15/2013) [-]
- not American
- not ever watched Fox News

what now, ********?
#128 to #28 - thelordofrepost
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(09/15/2013) [-]
"It is essential to extend the knowledge and the practice of “initiative of the subordinate” in principle and in application until they are universal in the exercise of command throughout all the echelons of command."
~ Ernest J. King, a U.S. Navy Admiral.
#44 to #28 - anon
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Orders do have limits believe it or not. Just like in every job on the planet there's only so much your boss can tell you to do.
#23 - bronywhat
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I think this painting has reached the very pinnacle of edgy and pretentious.
I think this painting has reached the very pinnacle of edgy and pretentious.
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#29 - ilikewaterham
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Yep, every soldier in the armed forces is a brainwashed moron who just loves to kill people in foreign countries. Every single soldier in the military is a slave to the government and is a brainless idiot, they should spend their time doing something useful like playing sarcastaball
#53 to #29 - twdeathnote
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I don't think they're really brainwashed, but are forced to carry out orders, no matter the order's morality. Which, in it's own right, takes from humanity itself.
#54 to #29 - makotoitou
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Well someone had to say it.
#52 to #29 - schmitty
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Oh man, that's such a great idea. We should should totally just train our military to be professional sarcastaball players. That would solve all of the world's problems.
#22 - leopoldstotch
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I know I am probably sounding butthurt, but **** whoever did that. They are probably ignorant and think that anyone in the military are mindless idiots who barely graduated high school (there are some). But the reality is that there is a huge percentage of people in the military who very intelligent and free thinking.
#37 - plainarcane **User deleted account**
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(09/15/2013) [-]
It's making a statement. Just because you don't agree with the statement doesn't mean it's not art. It's like saying that Mein Kampf isn't a book just because it's full of ****.
#38 to #37 - internetzsoviet
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Who says Mein Kampf is full of ****?

#39 to #38 - plainarcane **User deleted account**
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#112 to #38 - vigilum ONLINE
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(09/15/2013) [-]
The Jews did this
#43 to #37 - Protomix
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or like saying a Modest Proposal wasnt a good idea just because you dislike the taste of baby
#77 - CptSoapMacTavish
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I know that this image is a troll, but I'm going to bite anyways. This is probably the work of some Arts or Philosophy major who spends their time doing **** all and then spend the rest of their time farting out pretentiousness.

I'm a First Lieutenant in the Finnish Military and since a brief period (6 months) of military service (learning the basics of warfare) is required from every male citizen I teach thousands of guys every year how to fight in case we are ever dragged into a war. What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that these guys (age 18-22) are far from mindless slobs like in the picture above and are generally awesome youths who after their service go and move on with their lives.

I've had more than a few hippies yell "killer" and "war mongerer" etc from park benches when I go back home in my uniform. To anyone of these people who accuse me of teaching young men how to kill others my response is the same: "I'm teaching them skills that I pray they will never have to use."

The maker of this graffiti might not have had the Finnish military in mind, but I will still call them out on their ****. After they've completed military service or a tour overseas I'd like to ask them to paint something like that again.


TL;DR Maker of the graffiti is a philosophy major with no actual concept of what it means to be in the military
#83 to #77 - andovaredoras
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(09/15/2013) [-]
great...and im approaching the age when i am forced to go to the finnish army.. pff war is a primitive playground for little boys. Such a waste of time.
#87 to #83 - andovaredoras
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(09/15/2013) [-]
and the alternative for the army is like twice the length.
#88 to #77 - TopDawg
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(09/15/2013) [-]
People just have to come to terms with our natural nature, we kill because we can. We kill because in the end, there isn't ever going to be the possibility of every human being loving each other. It what nature does, it controls growth in any way it can.
#50 - hellomynameisbill ONLINE
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(09/15/2013) [-]
apparently, If you're too intelligent, the american military can deny you
#56 to #50 - cannibislover
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I've heard that before but the only thing i found close was this:

blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/01/too-smart-to-be-a-good-cop/
#51 to #50 - schmitty
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(09/15/2013) [-]
That's the most stupid thing I've ever ******* heard. They won't deny you if you're "too smart". I'm in the American military and I scored 4 points away from a perfect score on the ASVAB (basically the SAT for the military) and I know a few people who scored higher than that and they're still in the military. Also I know people who have gotten near perfect scores on the SAT and are still in the military. So unless that was a joke, in which case that's fine and I'm not even mad, then you should get your facts straight.
#59 to #51 - deescalation
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I got a 97 on mine. If they would deny someone for being too smart, they wouldn't push education on us so hard.
#57 to #51 - guymandude
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(09/15/2013) [-]
I got a 98 on the ASVAB and the dudes administering the test at my school were flipping out. I almost feel bad that I didn't end up enlisting after getting such a high score.
#26 - maxismahname
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Why the long face?
HUEHUEHUEHUE
No but seriously that is a long-ass face
#55 - driverist
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(09/15/2013) [-]
Art, but not because of the message it tries to convey.

It's a lot better than a blank wall and it makes people think (whether they agree or not) about the subject it portrays.