A work of art or graffiti?. .. Now it's art!
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#24 - articulate ONLINE (09/15/2013) [-]
Now it's art!
#80 to #24 - biot (09/15/2013) [-]
I finally laughed today!
I finally laughed today!
#37 - plainarcane **User deleted account** (09/15/2013) [-]
It's making a statement. Just because you don't agree with the statement doesn't mean it's not art. It's like saying that Mein Kampf isn't a book just because it's full of **** .
#38 to #37 - internetzsoviet (09/15/2013) [-]
Who says Mein Kampf is full of **** ?

#39 to #38 - plainarcane **User deleted account** (09/15/2013) [-]
User avatar #112 to #38 - vigilum ONLINE (09/15/2013) [-]
The Jews did this
User avatar #43 to #37 - Protomix (09/15/2013) [-]
or like saying a Modest Proposal wasnt a good idea just because you dislike the taste of baby
User avatar #19 - thelordofrepost (09/15/2013) [-]
Why, does everyone think people in the military are just mindless slaves?
User avatar #61 to #19 - darksideofthebeast (09/15/2013) [-]
Yes they are mindless slaves.
This is an accurate description, they beat these ideas into their head until all they know how to do is kill.
User avatar #28 to #19 - tkfourtwoone (09/15/2013) [-]
Because they have to obey their orders, just like mindless slaves?...

Not saying that they are (well, you can bet your ass there are a ******** of Uncle Sam propaganda filled rednecks that just want to shoot **** up), but orders are orders, right?
User avatar #30 to #28 - thelastprothean (09/15/2013) [-]
Well by that logic, anyone who has a job is a mindless slave
User avatar #32 to #30 - tkfourtwoone (09/15/2013) [-]
Not exactly.

In most jobs improvisation, free thinking and imagination are sought-after qualities (I'm talking white collar ones, like business enterprises).

Also, I doubt most other jobs involve taking up a gun, sailing across the Ocean, claiming you have brought freedom in a country that you personally have no business in whatsoever and occasionally shoot other people and/or get shot. All due to orders that come from way back home, some 3000-5000km away from a comfy chair.
User avatar #34 to #32 - thelastprothean (09/15/2013) [-]
Yeah, but you still have to do what your boss tells you. And clearly you aren't sure how the military works, so allow me to educate you. Improvisation and imagination are things that are encouraged in the army as well. And when you are an infantryman, your orders don't come from Washington. They come from NCO's in a base camp or in an FOB. And just because we have a secondary objective in many countries we have our military in, that doesn't mean we don't care about the civilians. We do care about the civilians and we don't want to see them killed
User avatar #41 to #34 - tkfourtwoone (09/15/2013) [-]
That the case may be, but I don't think that those NCOs establish the main "global" strategy in a campaign.
Indeed, I guess they are given the freedom to carry out their orders in the way they see most fit, but we're not exactly talking about grunts (no offense) such as the subject from the content, right?

Now, all things considered, of course there are a number of civilian domains that can also **** people's lives over (over-greedy corporations, anyone?) but still it's not quite a healthy parallel.

And about the civilians part... I do believe the US Army still accepts some very rotten apples for whom civies are nothing more than funny target practice. Happened in Vietnam, still happens today.
I'm not saying that's a generalization, heaven forbid, but it still happens.

Also, I have an irk about the US playing World Police. I know that sometimes Western intervention is needed, but most of the times the self-righteous pretention of bringing "freedom and justice" in the Far East theater of operations makes me sick.
Just say that you are working of having a foothold in that region of the world, trying to keep a balance, playing a large game of chess against the other powerful nations of the world, just be goddamn honest, and I'm fine with it.
User avatar #45 to #41 - xpurpledragonx (09/15/2013) [-]
But thats part of the game.
User avatar #108 to #34 - robertolee (09/15/2013) [-]
So what happens if you don't agree with the war and refuse to go?
User avatar #127 to #108 - thelastprothean (09/15/2013) [-]
Then you probably shouldn't have joined the military.
User avatar #129 to #127 - robertolee (09/15/2013) [-]
That is my point. The military is lack of freedom so matter what you think (even if you do have a brain) is pointless because you can't do anything about it and generally only the stupid will agree to do as their told with unwavering obedience.
#110 to #108 - anon (09/15/2013) [-]
Jail for yoooouuuuu
At least if it's a draft
User avatar #111 to #110 - robertolee (09/15/2013) [-]
exactly my point. You can claim to have a certain amount of freedom but its total ******** , you have freedom within the job but no where else. At least if my manager tells me to do something I don't want to I can tell him to **** off and quit.
#58 to #34 - iiteemss (09/15/2013) [-]
I have a friend deployed in Afghanistan right now. His job is to guard a 15k acre marijuana field owned and operated by the United States Government (they sell the crop to citizens to make a profit to fund the military). His orders are to shoot and kill anyone who comes within 500 yards of the perimeter. Men, women, and children. Now before you type your response, understand I am in no way anti-military, I have my own experience with it. Just stating a fact
User avatar #33 to #32 - rockinronster (09/15/2013) [-]
Says the guy who's never served a day in his life, and who's interpretation of the military is solely based of of Fox news.
User avatar #36 to #33 - tkfourtwoone (09/15/2013) [-]
- not American
- not ever watched Fox News

what now, ******** ?
User avatar #128 to #28 - thelordofrepost (09/15/2013) [-]
"It is essential to extend the knowledge and the practice of “initiative of the subordinate” in principle and in application until they are universal in the exercise of command throughout all the echelons of command."
~ Ernest J. King, a U.S. Navy Admiral.
#44 to #28 - anon (09/15/2013) [-]
Orders do have limits believe it or not. Just like in every job on the planet there's only so much your boss can tell you to do.
#77 - CptSoapMacTavish (09/15/2013) [-]
I know that this image is a troll, but I'm going to bite anyways. This is probably the work of some Arts or Philosophy major who spends their time doing **** all and then spend the rest of their time farting out pretentiousness.

I'm a First Lieutenant in the Finnish Military and since a brief period (6 months) of military service (learning the basics of warfare) is required from every male citizen I teach thousands of guys every year how to fight in case we are ever dragged into a war. What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that these guys (age 18-22) are far from mindless slobs like in the picture above and are generally awesome youths who after their service go and move on with their lives.

I've had more than a few hippies yell "killer" and "war mongerer" etc from park benches when I go back home in my uniform. To anyone of these people who accuse me of teaching young men how to kill others my response is the same: "I'm teaching them skills that I pray they will never have to use."

The maker of this graffiti might not have had the Finnish military in mind, but I will still call them out on their **** . After they've completed military service or a tour overseas I'd like to ask them to paint something like that again.

TL;DR Maker of the graffiti is a philosophy major with no actual concept of what it means to be in the military
#83 to #77 - andovaredoras (09/15/2013) [-]
great...and im approaching the age when i am forced to go to the finnish army.. pff war is a primitive playground for little boys. Such a waste of time.
User avatar #87 to #83 - andovaredoras (09/15/2013) [-]
and the alternative for the army is like twice the length.
User avatar #88 to #77 - TopDawg (09/15/2013) [-]
People just have to come to terms with our natural nature, we kill because we can. We kill because in the end, there isn't ever going to be the possibility of every human being loving each other. It what nature does, it controls growth in any way it can.
#26 - maxismahname (09/15/2013) [-]
Why the long face?
No but seriously that is a long-ass face
#23 - bronywhat (09/15/2013) [-]
I think this painting has reached the very pinnacle of edgy and pretentious.
I think this painting has reached the very pinnacle of edgy and pretentious.
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User avatar #22 - leopoldstotch (09/15/2013) [-]
I know I am probably sounding butthurt, but **** whoever did that. They are probably ignorant and think that anyone in the military are mindless idiots who barely graduated high school (there are some). But the reality is that there is a huge percentage of people in the military who very intelligent and free thinking.
#29 - ilikewaterham (09/15/2013) [-]
Yep, every soldier in the armed forces is a brainwashed moron who just loves to kill people in foreign countries. Every single soldier in the military is a slave to the government and is a brainless idiot, they should spend their time doing something useful like playing sarcastaball
User avatar #53 to #29 - twdeathnote (09/15/2013) [-]
I don't think they're really brainwashed, but are forced to carry out orders, no matter the order's morality. Which, in it's own right, takes from humanity itself.
User avatar #54 to #29 - makotoitou (09/15/2013) [-]
Well someone had to say it.
User avatar #52 to #29 - schmitty (09/15/2013) [-]
Oh man, that's such a great idea. We should should totally just train our military to be professional sarcastaball players. That would solve all of the world's problems.
User avatar #55 - driverist (09/15/2013) [-]
Art, but not because of the message it tries to convey.

It's a lot better than a blank wall and it makes people think (whether they agree or not) about the subject it portrays.
#109 - TexMex (09/15/2013) [-]
I don't think they're trying to say that all soldiers are idiots. I think they are trying to say that war is idiotic and there was no other way to portray it.
I don't think they're trying to say that all soldiers are idiots. I think they are trying to say that war is idiotic and there was no other way to portray it.
#124 to #109 - laxwarriord (09/15/2013) [-]
Not so much that they are idiots, but that have no choice, free thinking is removed from them (the brain) so they are forced to follow orders without question
#17 - anon (09/15/2013) [-]
I know I'm gonna get red thumbed for this, but as a weekend warrior this kinda offends me. Not because it's bashing soldiers, we do that all the time, but because a good nco does more abstract thought in order to properly utilize resources then I used my entire high school career. So basically this is demeaning a difficult job by claiming anyone can do it, when truly it's a very hard job.
User avatar #47 - markisawesome (09/15/2013) [-]
Neither. Propaganda.
#85 - TopDawg (09/15/2013) [-]
"The military is so bad haa, you're all idiots to support them! They dun fight for muh freedoms"

Yeah well even if they don't maybe their grandpa or grandma did, maybe their dad or mom, brother or sister gave their lives defending whatever blood stained flag they wore on their chest. And they're damn proud of it, and who they are. To anyone who sits there and speaks againt the military, just remember, not all of them are brainless zombies, and most of them would put themselves between you and harms way. They would fight to defend your last breath and give you theirs to make sure you can keep calling them a murdering dog. So, what exactly have you done to change a total strangers life? For bad or good? How have YOU impacted this world in anyway? If you have, then props to you, go on you've earned your seat. If you haven't, go out there and make yourslef mean something. Don't sit around and fall into a crowd. Make your -life- mean something. Those mindless soldiers, are chasing after something a lot bigger than what you think, they're doing something with their lives, no matter what they've done, the second that rifle touched their hands, the second that helmet strapped on, the second that bullet proof vest wraped around their hearts and guts, they took a breath and began their life journy. That is why I am a proud supporter, they put fourth an effort to be happy with their life. It's not for everyone, not for me, the good little med student, but it was for them, and I can smile with them saying I'm chasing after what makes me happy.

#121 to #85 - flapz (09/15/2013) [-]
Soldiers do as commanded (well most of them do) and that could also be what the portrait is about. They fulfill their purpose as trained to but ultimately they are following someone elses commands and how far that chain of commands is obviously depends on rank. Wether you consider this a good or bad thing is up to the individual and your point is of course still valid as they believe to fight for a higher purpose but personally I wouldn't let some people I don't know put my life in danger for reasons that is not necessarily for what I consider a higher purpose.
#103 to #85 - larfang (09/15/2013) [-]
Thank you sir
Thank you sir
#62 - latinotornado (09/15/2013) [-]
Now that's what I call edgy
#18 - anon (09/15/2013) [-]
QUESTION: why do americans always like that kind of graffiti, but the moment they see a post about someone joining the army it's autofrontpage with "good luck god loves you" and "you're my hero" and all that?
#20 to #18 - northard (09/15/2013) [-]
They respect the soldiers, but not the system.

That is my guess anyway.
User avatar #46 to #18 - xpurpledragonx (09/15/2013) [-]
ANSWER: There are a lot of different people in this country.
#119 - pwnertrainee (09/15/2013) [-]
I don't think the point is to say that soldiers are idiots, but that when you join the military you lose the right to think. You're not allowed to think for yourself, you are part of a machine and you are expected to be just that, a cog does not question what it does, and if it's just.
#16 - yomommabinshoppin (09/15/2013) [-]
Why do we feel like we're are more enlightened than others?
People constantly go about saying that they are so much more intelligent, and then there is the people who point out those people, and it goes deeper and deeper. I realize that it looks like I am saying that I am smarter than the people who claim intelligence above others, but that is not my intention. I just would like it if we all stopped putting ourselves above others. It starts with the bottom, people go to war, and people don't care. Then people who claim they are enlightened point out that others brainwash the less intelligent and convince them to go to war. After that, the "more enlightened" people point out that the "enlightened people" are making themselves feel special just because they noticed something. Then the circle continues.

tl;dr People claim to be above average intelligence, then different people say they aren't better than anybody else and these "different" people feel like they are better for pointing that out and so on. So howabout we all stop being edgy and stop complaining about others that are being edgy so we can stop the elitism.
User avatar #21 to #16 - arsenymous (09/15/2013) [-]
See i get what your saying, but people think about that all the time. They just don't say anything because it is pointless, the deepness of the idea of thinking deeply can go on forever. We just have to be ignorant and eventually we can maintain happiness. I didn't read you're whole comment cuz it was long so if i responded wrongly i apologize.
User avatar #31 - thelastprothean (09/15/2013) [-]
**** you and your stupid lazy ass piece of ****
#14 - legdude (09/15/2013) [-]
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