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#20 - mastersaturday (09/09/2013) [-]
No, actually. You're not. This gets brought up all the ******* time. It's not a new idea.
User avatar #133 to #20 - trollins (09/10/2013) [-]
My school does it, it's called "CALM".
User avatar #247 to #20 - Zaxplab (09/10/2013) [-]
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#118 to #20 - anon (09/09/2013) [-]
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#17 - anon (09/09/2013) [-]
Loan technique? That sounds like a form of Jewish martial arts.
#188 to #185 - likeabox (09/10/2013) [-]
#29 - graknab (09/09/2013) [-]
If only there was some sort of search engine that could give you access to any information you could ever need
#151 to #29 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
Then what would be the point in school at all? It's still a good idea to teach this stuff.
#279 to #151 - noschool (09/10/2013) [-]
because there is a difference in teaching yourself how to balance a checkbook, which is basic math, and teaching yourself calculus, spanish, physics, etc. it's not impossible to teach yourself those things by yourself but it is much easier to learn from physical contact with an expert on the subject.,while you probably could ask anybody over 25 on how to properly manage personal finance.
User avatar #162 to #29 - rhiaanor (09/10/2013) [-]
or a class on business you can take optionally but you won't because its boring
#251 to #29 - commandermunkee (09/10/2013) [-]
I totally know what you mean, bro.
#43 to #29 - laxwarriord (09/09/2013) [-]
I wish i had time, but i need to complain about it on funnyjunk so im running a bit short
#64 - twofreegerbils (09/09/2013) [-]
They taught me how to balance a checkbook in the fourth grade.   
Why the 			****		 is a fourth grader gonna need to know that 			****		.   
Teach it to me junior year you assholes
They taught me how to balance a checkbook in the fourth grade.

Why the **** is a fourth grader gonna need to know that **** .

Teach it to me junior year you assholes
User avatar #4 - taternutz (09/09/2013) [-]
I remember learning basic tax stuff and check book balancing in 5th grade or so.
User avatar #15 to #4 - daragon (09/09/2013) [-]
What country are you from?
User avatar #26 to #15 - taternutz (09/09/2013) [-]
User avatar #27 to #26 - daragon (09/09/2013) [-]
Oh, carry one then.
#38 to #4 - anon (09/09/2013) [-]
I learned that **** in the third grade. HOW IS THAT SUPPOSED TO HELP ME IN THE THIRD GRADE?
User avatar #39 to #38 - taternutz (09/09/2013) [-]
It taught you math in a way that is applicable later in your life. I can't speak for everyone, but it certainly helped me.
#69 - dheathd **User deleted account** (09/09/2013) [-]
Am i the only one who went to a **** poor public school and they taught us all of this in our computor/buisness class? I mean jesus if you dont know what taxes are or how to ad or subtract basic numbers to keep track of your money you are a dense mother ****** .
User avatar #160 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
Many skills should be taught at home. A school cant and shouldnt do everything. That being said, here is a list of things that someone who expects to learn everything in school will not know after leaving school.

How to write a resume
how to do taxes
anything about financing or accounting
how to cook a meal
how to change car oil, breaks, or a tire
how a combustion engine works
how a circuit board works

Lastly, and probably most importantly, how to think critically.

Just for reference, I went to an American school.
User avatar #177 to #160 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
>How a circuit board works
While I did learn that in school, who the hell goes into school expecting to learn that?
User avatar #194 to #177 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
I do. It is a fundamental component to nearly all electric devices. If electronics are going to be made such a large part of our life, we should make a point to learn the fundamentals of how it works.. Sad thing is that most of us could be sent back 100 or 200 years and not be able to begin to explain to people how what we have today works.
User avatar #198 to #194 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
There should be more classes on working with software (which there are an increasing amount of) then. It's not going to affect people very much if they don't know anything about a circuit board, but it will if they know how to operate devices they use every day.
User avatar #225 to #198 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
Most of us are probably never going to actually need to know anything about plant cells either, but we still learn it because it is a fundamental building block. It is all around us.

I agree with software classes. Problem is, there is a new version of software every year. Circuit boards, like combustion engines, while they undoubtedly gotten more advanced, are fundamentally the same as they were 20 years ago.
User avatar #232 to #225 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
Yeah, but it's best to get people to learn to adapt on their own, and the classes function well as a stepping stone to that. (I would probably be computer inept now if not for a typing and software class I took way back in 6th grade.)
User avatar #187 to #160 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
But why don't we learn that? It seems a hell of a lot more useful than all the math and sciences I'm going to use for my history degree.
User avatar #201 to #187 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
Just because you are getting a history degree doesnt mean you should negate learning anything else. Part of the education system, especially higher education, is to help make students more well rounded.
User avatar #205 to #201 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
Then make us well-rounded instead of throwing books of crap we don't care about to memorize and forget. I don't remember a thing about physics from my class in high school. I hardly remember anything from biology or chemistry either. It's a waste of my time.
User avatar #216 to #205 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
Point is, even if you dont think it is useful, the more you know, the better.
User avatar #213 to #205 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
You get back what you put in. I know what you mean about books and boring teachers and memorization. I get that not every class you take is amazing. But if you go into a class not even caring about it, the best instructor in the world isnt going to be able to help you. And you would be surprised by the usefulness of somethings you thought were useless. I majored in IT and all I cared about was computers, but I had to take all the business classes, which I thought was stupid. Now I work for an IT firm whose primary client are banks and financial institutions. And now, because I have a business degree background, I can actually understand what these people are talking about when I go to a meeting.
User avatar #229 to #213 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]

I being a firm believer that education is one of the most important aspects of human life agree with these statements. However, if you truly desire to learn about a subject it should be made available to you, not forced on you. In doing as such we have disgruntled high school students who can't graduate because they can't pass trigonometry but excel at English and the arts.

You should strive to learn because you want to not because you have If I don't know something that I want to know I study it in my own time. Why waste time on the fools who don't care to know it in the first place?
User avatar #240 to #229 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
Because, when I go to McDonalds and get a BigMac meal, and my total is $6.13 and I give the cashier $11.13 and the cashier is looking at me like I just gave her a ******* rubik's cube, I lose a little faith in humanity. That is why BASIC knowledge should be pushed from a young age.
User avatar #249 to #240 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
Yes basic knowledge of course, but the next time a cashier has to solve a problem concerning the law of conservation of mass or a fry has to figure out much force he must apply to a hamburger patty to make it flip into the air a precise number of times I'll call you.
User avatar #256 to #249 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
No. They probably wont have to know that. Because they probably fail. But, when a carpenter needs to know how to build a arch, maybe some trig and physics will help. Maybe when a history major gets a job in a museum, maybe understanding half lifes will be useful, or understanding the oxidation of metal (rust) is effected by humidity. Or MAYBE, one day, a history major will have kids, and when they come saying dad/mom, I need help with biology or math, because they really like it, more help can be given than just "Google it"
User avatar #260 to #256 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
You're thinly veiled insults amuse me. I never said I don't know biology/chemistry/ or what have you. I said I never learned them in high school. I understand oxidation enough to know what it is and why it occurs. If my future children ever come to me with such a question it would be my responsibility as my child's paternal figure to do everything in my power to help him/her understand the concept. I would never tell my child to Google it on their own.
User avatar #263 to #260 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
Nothing I said was meant as a insult, so dont take it that way. It was meant to get a point across. Just because something seems useless at the moment doesnt mean it wont come in use later. And things you think are important now may be irrelevant when you get to the real world. So the idea of letting a teenager decide what they will and will not learn in high school will hurt them more than making them tough out a few years.
#220 to #213 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
User avatar #196 to #187 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
Because if you end up not going into history at all then you have your bases covered.
User avatar #200 to #196 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
>not having your bases covered

As if any professional occupation that requires any kind of math or science wouldn't make you take it at some point. If I wanted to be an engineer or physiscist or anything requiring those kind of classes I would have to go back to school to get the appropriate degree. Why not use college as a catch-all for more advanced classes and leave life lessons and critical thinking for high school.
#203 to #200 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
Because then if you end up changing majors entirely (which is quite common) you won't have to pay out your ass for those classes. And many of these things your parents can (and usually are supposed to) teach you.
User avatar #206 to #203 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
You'd still have to take them through a college unless you took an AP credited class in high school. I'm not saying it shouldn't be offered. It shouldn't be required.
User avatar #207 to #206 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
So you seriously think it's a good idea to just have students pick what they're going to do for the rest of their lives at the very beginning of high school?
User avatar #210 to #207 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
If they can, sure. If they can't, make them sift through the crap that we already do. College shouldn't be barred to younger people if they have the potential. Give them the same constraints that anyone else does but quit forcing facts to memorize through one ear and out the other.
User avatar #212 to #210 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
On average, college students change their major three times over the course of their college career in the US. What you're proposing is absolutely ridiculous, because a 13 or a 14 year old doesn't know what the hell they're going to do for the next 50 years, and they have even less of an idea than an 18-22 year old.
User avatar #223 to #212 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
[b]If they can[/b]

I'm asking for more options, not a new option to be shoved down more throats.
User avatar #227 to #223 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
Do you not get that students change their majors very often?

If not, that means that they think they know where they're going and then decide to go another way. AKA, giving them an option like that means they're more likely than not going to **** themselves over.
User avatar #231 to #227 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
Then do as we all do, pick up the pieces and start anew. Of course it's not easy but if anyone thinks they know they should be allowed to pursue.
User avatar #235 to #231 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
Which brings me back to my first point. You'd be paying out the ass.
User avatar #236 to #235 - agentdennis (09/10/2013) [-]
Tough ****
User avatar #228 to #160 - billybobjoeii (09/10/2013) [-]
isn't this also what parents are for...

That being said I recognize not everyone has parents or their parents are more incompetent than our education system (in the U.S.), and in those situations yes, it would be necessary for some school or something to teach them... In fact you could remove my argument completely just by doing that... BUT my point stands

(never be ashamed to ask for help, only by learning from the experienced can we progress)
User avatar #234 to #228 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
A LOT of things should be taught by parents. In fact, nothing up there I learned from school. It is kind of sad that in most cases, learning stops when you leave the classroom.
User avatar #230 to #160 - basicargentinian (09/10/2013) [-]
Changing a tire is pure common sense. I don't understand how someone would be unable to do that.
User avatar #313 to #230 - leopoldstotch (09/10/2013) [-]
common sense is not common.
User avatar #233 to #230 - yusay ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
You would be surprised, actually.
#287 to #160 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
I literally was instructed on all of these subjects.

Retained the information? Maybe not so much.
But I just went to a normal high school in northern Canada... so?
User avatar #145 - toosexyforyou (09/10/2013) [-]
Literally all of those could be understood through a simple google search. Are you the only one who thinks that thinks this post is new? Yeah, pretty much.
#55 - yofutofu (09/09/2013) [-]
I was thought all of this in grade 10 Civics & Careers. A mandatory class in Ontario.
I was thought all of this in grade 10 Civics & Careers. A mandatory class in Ontario.
User avatar #175 to #55 - sirwolfcat (09/10/2013) [-]
We have a mandatory Finances class in my school
#288 to #55 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
It's called CALM in Alberta ,"Career and Life Management". You learn about all that personal finance stuff and resumes/ cover letters, formal letter-writing, sexual education, and car maintenance. Also we usually do a little on how to use various microsoft applications.

#146 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
They are taught in school. It's called basic addition and subtraction. As far as taxes all you do is follow the directions. It's sad I know that most kids don't know these things. Perhaps that's why they can't find any jobs
#56 - astraldeity (09/09/2013) [-]
Isn't that personal finance? I was taught such things my senior year.
User avatar #293 - zerodate (09/10/2013) [-]
I live in Montana and we have a class at my school called Applied Math Solutions or AMS and thats exactly what it is.
#290 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
Where I'm from (Alberta, Canada) there is a class called "CALM" that is required you complete in 10th grade.
CALM is "Career and Life Management"
I teaches you personal finance, budgeting, resume, cover letter, interview skills, how to read bills/ cheques, how to change the oil on your car, now to do basic things on a computer, and contraception/ safe sex stuff.

I thought everywhere had a class like this? It's like "This is how you do basic life" class.
#291 to #290 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
oh and we also learned about how to shop for balanced meals on a budget... and reviewed some basic food group stuff (but everyone knows that already so it was short)
#292 to #290 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
yeah but everyone just takes it as a two week summer course and doesn't learn anything
#296 to #292 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
Haha, that's true, everyone treats the class like it's a joke.

But if you think that's in ANY way the school or teacher's fault, you're an idiot.
Kids always whine and moan about everything they didn't learn after, skipping, sleeping through, or talking through, every high school class they took.

I mean really, if you don't know how to balance a chequebook, it's your own lazy fault. I mean, even if you weren't instructed on how to do it, it's not like it's SO HARD to look up information on a widely known topic.
User avatar #294 to #290 - colonelroymustang (09/10/2013) [-]
Lots of schools here in the US offer classes like that- but they're usually optional and the schools tend to push for students to do more advanced classes.
Schools get funded based off of student accomplishment. The more students you have in advanced classes the better it looks for government funding. They don't give a damn if any of it actually helps you in life, so the classes that are offered for general life skills not only get pushed to the side, but are also regarded with a certain stigma.
#297 to #294 - anon (09/10/2013) [-]
That's really sad, educators are supposed to care about the students and their futures, when you see that it isn't like that, it can be really discouraging.

I way always a bit upset that my school didn't offer advanced courses (I'm from a rural high school) but I guess I'm even more glad that I learned everything I get to get on in life. I think all schools should have a class like "CALM" mandatory, even if the students hate it, it gives them all a chance to get prepared for life.
User avatar #300 to #297 - colonelroymustang (09/10/2013) [-]
The education system in the US get's a little worse all the time. And, really it comes down to the state instituted testing because student performance on those tests determines funding, and anything that doesn't cater specifically to learning the tests get's thrown aside or discouraged.
I was lucky enough to be home schooled for my high school years so I had the privilege of getting classes that wouldn't be taught in a public school- and an equivocal class to CALM was one of those. Plus, I got in two years of Latin which is shockingly useful- but that's a different thought entirely.
#272 - philfromaccounting (09/10/2013) [-]
Personal Finance.
#277 to #272 - putridgrim (09/10/2013) [-]
That was mandatory at my school. Yet I still haven't needed to balance a check book and Im sure i never will. Its rather a silly thing to me.
#259 - johnnybananaz (09/10/2013) [-]
In my senior year in high school I took a personal finance class that explains all of that stuff. I guess it just depends on the school you go Pic unrelated
#264 to #259 - iyr (09/10/2013) [-]
I took something similar in high school called financial management.

Too many kids would tell their friends it was a boring class so not many people would take it.
Then they'd turn around and bitch that the school never taught how to money and life.
User avatar #237 - bensho (09/10/2013) [-]
My high school had a class like that. Kind of an updated Home-ec. It's called Family and Consumer Sciences, (FCS) and I believe passing that class is required in order to graduate in the state of Pennsylvania.
User avatar #238 to #237 - lordvimless (09/10/2013) [-]
no its not sadly, pa trying to do away with it due to high liability insurance and supplies.
my only question is this why get new cook books cooking doesn't change.
User avatar #241 to #238 - bensho (09/10/2013) [-]
Well only half of FCS was cooking. The other half was balancing checkbooks and learning about mortgages.
User avatar #243 to #241 - lordvimless (09/10/2013) [-]
and sewing. but the tax books need to be bought every year because pa and feds redo the tax codes. cause **** us right.
User avatar #253 to #243 - bensho (09/10/2013) [-]
Th U.S. education system: **** yeah!
User avatar #262 to #253 - lordvimless (09/10/2013) [-]
my gen is broken next aint looking to good
User avatar #224 - hektoroftroy (09/10/2013) [-]
When I was in 8th grade my psychology teacher spent half of the semester teaching us about that stuff and then took us on a field trip to JA Finance Park, which was basically a place where we were all randomly assigned a monthly salary and we had to make house payments or rent payments and insurance payments, create a food budget, etc.
It was really cool
#219 - nuggetman (09/10/2013) [-]
Consumer Math Bitches!
#214 - garymuthafuknoak ONLINE (09/10/2013) [-]
it is in my math class...
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