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#1 - macbookfan (09/06/2013) [-]
*a little less hate.

How would you feel if i said with a straight face "I am going to **** your mother" and then just change my mind because that would not make us friends anymore?
#2 to #1 - John Cena (09/06/2013) [-]
all friends say that ******** to eachother with straight faces and the bromance stays
#4 to #2 - macbookfan (09/06/2013) [-]
Yeah, of course, but i was trying to paint a picture.
Bad example, but i hope my message went through.
Good day to you, glorious anonymous. I love faggots
#255 to #4 - superintrovert (09/07/2013) [-]
A better example probably would have been as follows.

Say you and your friend, let's say Mike, were sitting down and eating lunch. Mike turns to you and says "Your mother is a gigantic whore." before he continues eating his ham sandwich. You question why he would say that, seeing as it was very out of character, and he responds "Listen, it's taken a long time to figure out how much of a whore your mother is, I can't just change my mind this late in the game, that would require a lot of work and money."
Angry with Mike you reply "Well **** you, I'm going to go eat lunch with Sonia!" Sonia being a fun loving, charismatic, older girl who's been your friend for a long time. She likes you but hates Mike. They've both been great friends but you can never hang out with both at the same time because of their mutual dislike for each other. Mike doesn't think much of this and continues eating his sandwich. As time goes on he sees he's become vastly less popular and people have started to talk about him behind his back.
In an effort to save his popularity and friendship with you and mooch a **** load of money off of you in the near future he hastily runs up to you during lunch a week later and says "Hey buddy! Turns out I've changed my mind! Your mother is definitely not a whore! That means we can be friends again, right?"

In this situation, what would you do? Would you forgive him or tell him to **** off?
User avatar #146 to #1 - captainrattrap ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
**captainrattrap rolls 414** who needs the xbox one when you have xbox trips!
User avatar #239 to #1 - nativninja (09/07/2013) [-]
if we were friends and you said you'd **** my mother id say I ****** your dad.
User avatar #3 - thewaronbeingcool (09/06/2013) [-]
People hated it not because they wanted to buy it, but because if it was successful then it would've set an awful precedence.

If it had succeeded with all the ******** DRM, then I could see Sony and Nintendo doing the same with their next consoles.

So I'm glad they got rid of all the DRM, but I'm still not getting one.
#26 to #3 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
*cough*Steam*cough*
User avatar #27 to #26 - thewaronbeingcool (09/07/2013) [-]
Look at comment #10. You cant compare the ******** they were trying to pull with Steam.
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#8 to #3 - BrokenArrow (09/06/2013) [-]
You know how Steam can sell almost new games for cheap? And how Steam does those kick ass summer sales? Steam does it by implementing a DRM system.

The original Xbox One DRM system was nearly identical to Steam.
User avatar #10 to #8 - thewaronbeingcool (09/06/2013) [-]
Look at the XBL marketplace. They charge like £20 for games you can pick up used for less than a fiver. Look at the XBL sales. They usually take off something like 10%, which is nothing compared to Steam which usually takes at least 50% off, if not more. Every game you buy off of XBL has some kind of DRM and there are no savings passed onto the customer.

Plus, Steam's DRM is nowhere near as intrusive. You go online to buy a game and then you can go into offline mode for months at a time.

And finally, if you're a PC gamer Steam isn't the only option. If you hate DRM you can always go to GOG instead. Or the humble bundle. All these different options means that Steam has to compete for gamer's attention, which leads to the massive sales.

You buy an xbox and you're stuck with Microsoft's ****** online store. They have no competition, so they can continue charging £20 for a game that's been out for five years.
#45 to #10 - thecommittee (09/07/2013) [-]
Steam is free, and even with an awful computer (which most people have anyway) i can still run enough games to make me happy. The DRM in steam are actually mostly the DRMs inherent in AAA titles that steam has no choice but to allow.
#282 to #45 - BrokenArrow (09/09/2013) [-]
Yes it is free, but you still need to buy a PC to use Steam. That's comparable to buying an Xbox One before being able to use the now non existent Xbox DRM.

Granted, I don't know enough (or anything) about the AAA thing you brought up. But remember that the original Xbox DRM was going to leave a majority of the DRM policy making to each publisher.
#285 to #282 - thecommittee (09/12/2013) [-]
The thing is allot of people already have a PC. In addition I believe we where comparing the hyper DRM'ed Xbone to current steam, not the new, slightly better, Xbone. In which case, weather or not DRM's where left up to publishers there would ahve still been the always online thing, but this discussion was awhile ago and I don't feel like reading it over again.
#283 to #10 - BrokenArrow (09/09/2013) [-]
Yes, Steam is only an option that can be overlooked. But Xbox One is also an option that can be overlooked.

Also, the DRM policy was separate from the online check in policy that Xbox One originally had. They could have eliminated one without eliminating the other.

I agree that XBL marketplace is currently no comparison to the deals on Steam. However, Xbox is arguably just venturing into the DRM world, where Steam has proven to be a champion of the concept. It would be a poor decision to make drastic changes to an initial Xbox DRM policy when its success has yet to be proven.
User avatar #284 to #283 - thewaronbeingcool (09/09/2013) [-]
Microsoft has already ventured into the DRM world with GFWL, which is their version of Steam on the PC.

It sucked, it was super restrictive and its sales (which were rare) were **** . It had even worse DRM than Steam and that didn't mean it got awesome sales. The xbone would probably be more of the same.
User avatar #11 to #8 - themastermorris (09/06/2013) [-]
You know what the problem with that is? We already have Steam
#281 to #11 - BrokenArrow (09/09/2013) [-]
I didn't know there was Steam on consoles. Oh wait there isn't. So I guess DRM on a console shouldn't be tried at all since there is DRM on PC already. You know, since every gamer is both PC and console.

Makes sense.
User avatar #13 - flemsdfer (09/06/2013) [-]
They had ******** restrictions that made you pay full price to rent games. You couldn't do whatever you wanted with that copy.
You were stuck to certain things to do that they approve. (i.e. can't let a friend borrow it)

They were going to make you have internet constantly, a camera always watching and listening to you (still going to be apart of it) and if any of that faltered YOU are out of a system because it's just not gonna work now.

Everyone hated it, but the whole system was build around DRM! You can't just flip a switch and turn it off!

A week later they flipped a switch and turned it off. They were forced to conform to make sales, but the point if it is they tried their damn hardest to screw everyone over and people don't trust the company anymore.

Let's say we all buy this system for $100 more than the PS4, so we can get slightly lower gaming power that's then split with t.v., internet, movies, fantasy football, and bing.... Then we get any accessories we'd need for it, buy the $60 subscription to live. So far that's a LOT of money sunk into this.

Would you abandon it all if they switched it all back?

A lot of people might, but they have your money at this point. Even then people would still pay for some smaller things with the system and they'd make a fair run with it. I'm going with the company that didn't try and screw me from the start and is decently cheaper in price.
User avatar #157 to #13 - zers (09/07/2013) [-]
I don't normally like to get involved with online arguments but the Xbox One vs. PS4 has really been pissing me off for some reason. Probably because I keep seeing the same arguments against the Xbox which make no sense. So what if there is a camera watchingyyou? Are you planning on murdering someone sometime soon? And for the whole used game restrictions, when was the last time you borrowed a game from someone? I don't know about you but I have borrowed maybe 1-2 games in my life from a friend and wouldn't have really missed much if I didn't borrow them.
Tl;Dr I'm tired of reading the same argument over and ever again when the supporting evidence is rubbish.
User avatar #165 to #157 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
I don't like something watching me, even if I'm being completely legal in my actions. I like my privacy as many people do.

I've also borrowed tons of games from friends and have let them borrow many of mine as well. Without having much money each of us can get certain games and play them, then switch and enjoy all the new releases that we want to, in fact I actually have Bioshock, and Fallout: New Vegas right now from a buddy of mine and I enjoyed them quite a bit. Just because you don't share doesn't mean a plethora of other people follow suit.
User avatar #189 to #165 - zers (09/07/2013) [-]
So let's get a wider view on this. Let's say ten thousand people buy the One. You think Microsoft is going to be recording everything the camera sees? That's ten thousand cameras picking up days upon days of footage. You think Microsoft is going to sift through all that footage? And for what? There really isn't even a reason for them Not to mention there would be a lot more Xbox than ten thousand if this were actually the case. I'm just not seeing any rhyme or reason behind disliking the One based on the camera issue. (Hell, you could cover it up with a piece of tape).
And as for the DRM (which they changed), I was saying it would have not been an issue to me, I never spoke for anyone else. I think I even said "I don't know about you but" meaning I was only speaking for myself (but the odds that me being the only person with this experience in the world is very slim).
User avatar #201 to #189 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
I still dislike the general idea of being watched, but no, it does not take part in the major deciding factors of why I dislike the system. My beef with it is I've never gotten good customer service with them, but majorly I don't have enough trust with them that they'll keep the DRM and other restrictions away. They always have the disclaimer that they may change whatever they want at any time. Half a thousand dollars is too much of an investment to have them change everything I bought the system for. They weren't very willing to change it in the first place, so I'm pretty sure they'll try to reinstate it again after release.
User avatar #211 to #201 - zers (09/07/2013) [-]
To each his own I suppose but have you ever heard of a little thing called Steam? Oh god I remember the ********* that ensued when they released their DRM policies and the like. People just hated it. There wasn't a person hadn't made a scornful comment about them. Now look where they're at? Why do you think Microsoft would intentionally try to screw themselves over with reinstating the old policies? They changed it in the first place because they were screwing themselves over (and most companies have a backdoor in a Terms of Service that basically let's them do whatever they want but that doesn't mean they use it).
User avatar #214 to #211 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
I've never used steam myself. I'm a simple man who just wants to play his game and have it be good. The PS4 seems to deliver that to me easily. I'm far better off unwinding with a simple set up of buy/rent/borrow a game, put it in, and play it without having to worry about online restrictions, computer specs being good enough to run the game, fantasy football connections or t.v. while I'm playing, or anything of the like. Just a game system that allows me to play games, and does a damn good job of it.
#28 to #13 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
"a camera always watching and listening to you"
-Wrong. That's just a retarded myth that fagboys came up with to scare gullible dumbasses like you.
"they tried their damn hardest to screw everyone over"
-Not true. I doubt any company would say "Let's **** up our customers so they don't want our product and we won't make any more money!" They tried something new, a more convenient, cheaper way to play video games (however, they fixed on single-player games).

I'm not saying what they did was good. They made a huge mistake with delivery and listening to their customers. But, let's stop to stupid "THEIR LISTENING TO US" rumors and "all they want to do is **** their customers up the ass" 12 year old ******** .
User avatar #30 to #28 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
The kinect does always have to be plugged in and I personally don't like it. A lot of people don't. I don't like the kinect they have now because it snaps random pictures of you while you use it and I like my privacy.

No company will outright say something like that, but what they will do in private is "how can we charge the absolute most for our product whether it's necessary or not" They wanted to take away your ownership of the game. You can't share it with anyone so if you want your friend to play it well he's just going to have to buy his own copy. No more renting the games to see if you like it. Spend the $60 to find out if you like it or not. They made nothing more convenient and it's in NO way cheaper. Games were announced as $60 still with how the old DRM **** was, the system itself is a hundred dollars more, and a year of live is ten dollars more than ps4. It is more expensive in every way besides the actual games themselves which are the same, but they tried to limit you on those too since a price hike wouldn't be tolerated and they thought some limitations would be accepted. They got greedy and ****** up. I don't care that they are getting exclusives like Dead Rising 3 or anything else they get. I will never be spending money on their **** again until they've pulled their head out of their ass and keep it there for a long time.
#53 to #30 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
Actually kinect isn't required....
User avatar #54 to #53 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
I read that it was and didn't see it in the changes they made to the system that they made it unrequired.
#59 to #54 - iraoflaherty (09/07/2013) [-]
Hate that people are constantly spreading misinformation, just cause they were rubbed the wrong damn way and now want to hate it every chance they get. I guess, this is partly their fault for all the back tracking they have done, and in some respect they have brought some of the hate on themselves.

Anyways, the kinect is not required to be plugged in. I urge everyone to at least give the console another look, a lot has changed since E3.

www.joystiq.com/2013/08/12/xbox-one-wont-require-plugged-in-kinect-whitten-says/
User avatar #68 to #59 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
Well then I do apologize for thinking the kinect was mandatory. I was wrong. I can't give the console another chance though. I still don't trust the company as a whole anymore. No matter what they changed my problem is what they tried to do. My decision is already set for PS4 both mentally and financially.
User avatar #197 to #68 - thewaronbeingcool (09/07/2013) [-]
The kinect was mandatory, but they changed that because of backlash.
User avatar #207 to #197 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
I just never saw anything about it in the reviews about what was changed and assumed that it wasn't changed. I really don't prefer the kinect, mostly because I'm paraplegic and I am not the controller.
#41 to #28 - redwolv (09/07/2013) [-]
""a camera always watching and listening to you"
-Wrong. That's just a retarded myth that fagboys came up with to scare gullible dumbasses like you. "

You are both partly wrong, while the camera is not always watching and listening, the protection is not very go which means it could be hacked, also while microsoft said they will never keep any sort of recording, they also stated that NSA could potentially access.
Althought they have changed the requirements somewhat.

#38 to #13 - redwolv (09/07/2013) [-]
You bring up a good point, now I have not read the terms and conditions of the XBone but who is to say that there won't be a update after a time where they change their DRM again to a more locked down point this might not happen for at least a year, but it is possible.
User avatar #40 to #38 - flemsdfer (09/07/2013) [-]
That was my problem with it that really decided for me. I don't trust them to leave it all unchanged. They had online for the original xbox and it wasn't around for a super long time before they just canned the idea, leaving a lot of people up the creek. The rest I'd attribute to just plain hating them over recent interactions with customer service worse than EA and other changes to the 360 I've greatly disagreed with.
#43 - Ulmer (09/07/2013) [-]
Nintendo might forget their hardcore gamers at times, but at least they don't pull the **** microsoft and sony do.
User avatar #176 to #43 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
Don't they send a copyright strike to you if you upload footage of any of their games or something?
User avatar #200 to #176 - thewaronbeingcool (09/07/2013) [-]
Nah, they just demand all the money you make from ad revenue if you use footage of their games.
User avatar #204 to #200 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I haven't even bought a Nintendo product in years, so I'm really not all familiar with what they've been up to, thanks. All I heard was some people had their videos taken down because of showing Nintendo gameplay footage.
User avatar #256 to #43 - froggets (09/07/2013) [-]
Still don´t get why people give Nintendo so much **** , come on guys!
Nintendo are the revolutioneries of the gaming industry, the others sit still on the sideline doing what they`ve done for several years but more defined, and if Nintendos product is a sucess they`ll copy it....
User avatar #66 to #43 - maybeimalion (09/07/2013) [-]
So right dude, if I could vote you up I would.
User avatar #46 to #43 - aerius (09/07/2013) [-]
there's one shiity part, which is the fact that games you buy on nintendo's eshop are bound to your console, not your account, so if it breaks they're gone (although nintendo consoles are pretty ******* hard to break). Other than that I'd agree that they're the least ball-busting of the three.
User avatar #270 to #46 - xxiixx (09/07/2013) [-]
If you contact customer support they will usually get you all your games back. They have records of all the games bought on a console.
User avatar #273 to #270 - aerius (09/07/2013) [-]
that's good to know, I'm buying a Wii U for wind waker HD soon
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User avatar #60 to #46 - theavatarspupil (09/07/2013) [-]
My 3DS's hard drive malfunctioned, so I sent it off for repair (It was still under warranty, so the repair was free) and they ended up deleting my copy of Zelda: Four Swords. And, sadly, it was just after they stopped giving it out for free on the eShop...
User avatar #56 to #46 - Ulmer (09/07/2013) [-]
That's why I back up my downloaded games on an SD card lol but yeah, I know what you mean
User avatar #24 - arsenymous (09/06/2013) [-]
It's the fact that they tried to **** us, sony also ****** us but not as hard.
#124 to #24 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
Sony ***** from the front....Microsoft....Microsoft makes u bend over
User avatar #192 to #24 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
You don't consider installing software on your computer that hides itself as a rootkit, installs backdoors, collects your email and listening habits as something worse than the tiny things MS wanted to do?
#29 - myaccountisnew ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I read that there's actually a petition to get the always online bit back for some god awful reason.
#37 to #29 - captnpl (09/07/2013) [-]
They were trying to switch to an all digital system. There were actually some fantastic features, which they completely failed to advertise, that depended on a near constant connection.
User avatar #42 to #37 - noxiate (09/07/2013) [-]
Care to explain what these features are and if you can back it up with some proof?
#50 to #42 - captnpl (09/07/2013) [-]
Well, the best feature was digital sharing. Basically you could pick ten people on your friends list and they could play any game in your library whenever they want, as long as no one else is playing it at the moment.
User avatar #169 to #50 - noxiate (09/07/2013) [-]
Compared to all the other cons of having to have a constant connection, that's a pretty **** reason. And that's only one feature. And you didnt post proof like I asked.
User avatar #178 to #169 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
>All the other cons
What other cons?

And if you really don't believe it.
User avatar #183 to #178 - noxiate (09/07/2013) [-]
Well excuse me of being skeptical about this type of **** on of all places, the internet.

Secondly, because you being who you are, i'm not explaining **** to you, you cock sucking ballsack festering **** .
#269 to #183 - vos ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
>Proof given as asked
>'You cock sucking ballsack festering *****
User avatar #279 to #269 - noxiate (09/07/2013) [-]
If you knew the guy like I did you would know what I said that.
#264 - mcfc (09/07/2013) [-]
The Console Wars is a great form of entertainment
#77 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
and here I am an anon, saving for a WiiU to avoid this ********
User avatar #51 - Apex (09/07/2013) [-]
The first time in a while MS bent to the consumers will.. And it essentially made the X1 worse than what it was..

Although, there have been rumors I've heard that they're making a separate console, with all the features the original X1 had (Online only)
#33 - randombitches (09/07/2013) [-]
Yes they fixed but only now when they notice that not everybody is on their side. Microsoft at the beginning didn't really listen to their customers.
User avatar #35 - namehasntbeentaken (09/07/2013) [-]
they get hate because they are a company that treated us like a ****** friend, there should have been more professionalism involved with how they handled how they addressed the issues the consumers were having, instead we got "Your internet should be better, you shouldn't live in rural areas so you can play, you have to have kinect, you can't trade in games," I mean it's like they never heard, If it isn't broken don't fix it.
#148 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
well no because they only fixed it because they saw how much money and stock they were losing . I'm getting a ps4 and I won't get a xbox1 ever why because microsoft screwed me over and i don't care if you fix it because i have lost all my respect and trust in microsoft's gaming division. which the move is going to suck because this gen i was a huge 360 fan and loved halo but at least i get destiny and infamous 2nd son looks amazing
User avatar #161 to #148 - thatdamnllama (09/07/2013) [-]
Destiny's coming out on the Xbox One too
User avatar #182 to #161 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
yes but that is just my replacement for halo on ps4 and i really want to play planetside two which the only console it's on is ps4
User avatar #150 to #148 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
If you lost all your trust for MS for such an awful reason then why would you go to Sony who has done much worse?
User avatar #152 to #150 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
like what all i remember them doing was having a bad e3 only because of there price and the hacking scandle which happen on the 360 aswell but at a lower scale
User avatar #160 to #152 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
You obviously never heard of the Rootkit Scandal then.

In 2005 Sony released Music CDs that would install software on your computer when you pulled up the EULA. It was not mentioned in the EULA and if you even declined it, the software would install anyway.

It:
-Created security holes that could be exploited by malicious software such as worms or viruses.
-Constantly ran in the background and excessively consumed system resources, slowing down the user's computer, regardless of whether there is a protected CD playing.
-Employed unsafe procedures to start and stop, which could lead to system crashes.
-Had no uninstaller, and was installed in such a way that inexpert attempts to uninstall it could lead to the operating system to fail to recognize existing drives.

After people found out, Sony released an "uninstaller" that would actually not uninstall anything, and installed more software on your computer. To download this you had to give your email, which Sony collected.

The software would collect information based on your listening habits.

They've done worse. Much worse.

User avatar #180 to #160 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
I'm talking about the gaming divisions which are separate from the companies other divisions for example microsoft has a software,gaming,phone/tablet division etc and sony has a movie,music and game division each division makes there own decision so basically all i heard was that sony's music division is bad but did you mention anything bad the gaming division has done that i have not mentioned
User avatar #185 to #180 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
You...do realize that's the same company, right? Different divisions doesn't mean anything, the company has still done worse.
User avatar #208 to #185 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
yes and no the different division can launch something with the permission of the head of the company but after that all decisions are up to the division
User avatar #210 to #208 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
It was Sony in general that was so against piracy and for DRM.

"The industry will take whatever steps it needs to protect itself and protect its revenue streams... It will not lose that revenue stream, no matter what... Sony is going to take aggressive steps to stop this. We will develop technology that transcends the individual user. We will firewall Napster at source - we will block it at your cable company. We will block it at your phone company. We will block it at your ISP. We will firewall it at your PC... These strategies are being aggressively pursued because there is simply too much at stake." - Sony Pictures Entertainment US senior VP Steve Heckler
User avatar #228 to #210 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
Sony was doing what they thought right to protect it self i do agree with you on what they did was bad but i'll say again this has nathing to do with they're gaming sectre the reason i dislike microsoft (game sectre) is because those decisions affected me game wise i dislike both componays to an extent but i have more respect for sonys gaming sectre than microsofts atm
User avatar #166 to #160 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
The name of the scandal was because of how the software hid itself like a rootkit.

And I can't believe I forgot this quote from Thomas Hesse.

"Most people, I think, don’t even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
User avatar #191 to #166 - noblexfenrir (09/07/2013) [-]
While I agree, sony has just as much shady practices, and even their stagnation in the gaming market is nothing to boast about. (The very fact they can get away with an over $400 price tag and not receive any backlash is beyond me.)

Really all the Xbox one's problems developed from not fully thought out ideas. The DRM was really the only problem I actually found for the system (and ofcourse the price tag due to the lumping of the system and kinect), and should have been better resolved. Telling customers to just use the older system is not a good incentive for them to buy the new one.

I mean the kinect can be turned off, games can still be played by hard disc without verification, it was actually kind of cool how I could share the game with 10 people without giving them my physical copy of the game, thus meaning I could still play it myself. All in all, the xbox one had some really good, market changing plans for it, something of which that would have made games much cheaper in the long run (With probably better form fitting deals, think PS+ free games or Free with gold games, but more than 1-2 a month) since outside retailers wouldn't be able to compete nearly as well, if at all.
User avatar #199 to #191 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
Yeah, a lot of what they were saying sounded way too out there too some people and they couldn't really grasp it, but what they could grasp were all the rumors floating around.

The kinect (and I have never even wanted to use the thing before) being bundled with every console seems like a good thing to me. Hopefully it means devs will put it to use (like with DR3 and speaking into the phone in game will cause zombies to notice you) and maybe even things like Fallout 4 scanning your face to make your character.

That being said, I'm not going to buy an Xbox One or a PS4 and have no plans on it. Maybe a few years down the road, though.
User avatar #203 to #199 - noblexfenrir (09/07/2013) [-]
True, but even so I don't know how much we'll really see in kinect development, there really has been no demand for it. The original kinect bombed pretty bad, and then you have the Wii U recently that made changed to give the user more interactive control with the game through external hardware (Zombie U being a decent example) and noone seemed to really give a **** after the first week.

I dunno, I plan on buying an xbox one since I'll always have the need for a console, but definitely not first day or even first quarter, I'll probably wait until (most likely if it goes the way I think it will) a cheaper version comes out with the kinect as an optional piece instead of required. Or just a cheaper version in general.
User avatar #206 to #203 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
Well, www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/28/microsoft-still-absolutely-no-plans-for-xbox-one-without-kinect

Although they will almost definitely release a cheaper version eventually.
User avatar #209 to #206 - noblexfenrir (09/07/2013) [-]
Oh absolutely they will, I just see the kinect as the easiest solution for doing that. Although I see them replacing it with a simple camera/microphone nowhere near as developed as the kinect is just to keep basic functionality with future updates and what not.

Purely speculation ofcourse, except my best buddy steve's uncle works for microsoft and he told me so.
User avatar #250 to #148 - theshadowed ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
Yeh, how dare they fix their product because their stocks are flopping!
Welcome to ******* business
#222 to #148 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
Of course they fixed it after seeing how much money they were going to lose. I hate to break it to you, but every single company in existence wants to make money. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't care about their customers and it doesn't mean it's a terrible company.
User avatar #230 to #222 - liftplus (09/07/2013) [-]
it means i just can't trust them when buying from their gaming division because they had tried these policys which i didn't want and they might go back to those policys thats why i don't trust them as much as i trust sony
#265 - moscardino (09/07/2013) [-]
I don't hate them for trying to fix it, I hate them because they were going to **** us over anyway until they saw the pre-order numbers. Just the fact they tried to is enough for me to swap to PS4
#267 to #265 - dreadnaughtguy (09/07/2013) [-]
Exactly. And after all the best predictor of future
behaviour is past behaviour.
#240 - emurater (09/07/2013) [-]
While I am going to get both, I BARELY decided getting a Xbox.  I was for sure getting the Ps4, but to be honest, the reason they are getting the hate is a matter of principal.   
If a man walked up to you, pissed on your face, punched you in the stomach, then spit in your hair, then told you they wanted to be your friend, what would your reaction be?  			****		 you right?  While I will be getting an xbox one, I am waiting untill the first price drop, or at least a year or 2.  All my money will be going to playstation before then.
While I am going to get both, I BARELY decided getting a Xbox. I was for sure getting the Ps4, but to be honest, the reason they are getting the hate is a matter of principal.
If a man walked up to you, pissed on your face, punched you in the stomach, then spit in your hair, then told you they wanted to be your friend, what would your reaction be? **** you right? While I will be getting an xbox one, I am waiting untill the first price drop, or at least a year or 2. All my money will be going to playstation before then.
User avatar #242 to #240 - avengeralpha (09/07/2013) [-]
your a strange person mate.
#244 to #242 - emurater (09/07/2013) [-]
Normal people scare me.
#258 to #240 - shishiko **User deleted account** (09/07/2013) [-]
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User avatar #280 to #240 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
And how was anything they did similar to that?
User avatar #141 - scowler ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I'm gonna take a blind leap here and say people are still mad because they're only revising their policies so they don't lose the entire market. Not because they care about service.
PS4 for me, change of pace. Anybody who goes Xbox One, your losses and your gains, I'm not fussing over other people's choices unless they have an actual effect on me…
#286 to #141 - desacabose ONLINE (05/19/2014) [-]
I don't wanna close my eyes

I just want an answer from you
User avatar #138 - stocxt ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
The fact that they originally planned to force all those changes in the first place is what has people mad.
User avatar #151 to #138 - yusay ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
No, it's mob mentality and MS being ham-handed in explaining everything.
#113 - mrlego (09/07/2013) [-]
>Gets hate for existing
>Gets hate for existing
User avatar #7 - dantemp ONLINE (09/06/2013) [-]
actually, a lot of people are pleasantly surprised by the flexibility M$ shows
I for one never doubted that they will turn out OK at the end, although I'm a die hard PS fan.
#129 to #7 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
......Microsoft still left in the camera on a console that never turns off............
#101 - sloot (09/07/2013) [-]
I am an electronic's salesman and our Microsoft rep pretty much summed it up perfectly. He said "Yes, there were some flaws when the Xbox one was released, but all the negatives were blown way out of proportion by nerds on the internet who have nothing better to do than spam complaints and speculations about the system." Those were my sentiments from the start. Yeah when E3 rolled around things seemed ****** up, but all of these nerdy faggots decided to get all emo with their "like omg microsoft I have played xbox like furever. I cant believe you have betrayed me.. I iz sony boy now" before the system even dropped. Seriously? do you think Microsoft would blatantly keep new features implemented if they weren't successful? People need to quit speculating and wait to play the system before being pathetic and butt-hurt about **** they know nothing about....
User avatar #145 to #101 - reginleif (09/07/2013) [-]
I think the nerds were "justified"..... too often by the time people are given "information" it is much too late.

I used to be the same way with a company named cipsoft (they have a 2d mmorpg called Tibia). Just wait it out see if you like it.

But clearly we can't trust companies to do the right thing anymore, so we got to blast them BEFORE the systems are developed and it's too late to change.

Childish, maybe but outrage gets **** done.
#128 to #101 - John Cena (09/07/2013) [-]
you are forever alone
#110 to #101 - peanutbraddle (09/07/2013) [-]
You know what?

I didn't read most of that, but I caught ButtHurt towards the end.

Take this for the Future.
User avatar #142 to #101 - shoryuken (09/07/2013) [-]
I smiled at the comment about all the hate being from nerds online, it's pretty true, but I still don't trust microsoft after that **** .
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