Fairly odd. .. Remember when they gave him a Nobel Peace Prize just for getting elected? How did that turn out? Fairly odd Remember when they gave him a Nobel Peace Prize just for getting elected? How did that turn out?
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#10 - I Am Monkey
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Remember when they gave him a Nobel Peace Prize just for getting elected?
How did that turn out?
#20 to #10 - anon id: f9d4793e
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they gave him the nobel peace prize for opening communications between enemies AND ALLIES that bush had cut off. you never stop working or hell even talking with allies. So by opening communications he was promoting that a general peace could be achieved.

User avatar #23 to #20 - commontroll
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********. He wasn't inaugurated yet. He was seriously given one just for being elected.
#22 to #10 - anon id: 98de5060
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Y'all bitches don't seem to understand how this works, so I'll dumb it down.

Basically, everyone agrees not to use chemical weapons because they hurt more civilians than soldiers.

If America does nothing, then it encourages more armies to use chemical weapons because Syria got away with it.

Sending a few warning bombs was the only thing he could do.
#107 to #22 - anon id: e3133fc3
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I wouldn't have a problem with it if Russia wasn't ready to blow us up for it. =/
#37 to #22 - endospore
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No one is arguing that chemical weapons are good. Quite a few people even believe that Obama is justified and doing the right thing in bombing Syria.

What we're arguing here is that he doesn't deserve the peace prize.
#44 to #37 - kingoflint
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Even Obama didn't really think he deserved it. I mean, he accepted it cause what else is he gonna do? He did say when he accepted it that he did not feel like he'd earned it
User avatar #62 to #44 - Fgner
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He could have easily said, "I refuse this prize".
#25 to #10 - thornberry
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He pretty much was forced

Chemical warfare is deemed illegal by the UN... if the US ignored that then it would send a message to other countries that they can use chemical weapons and suffer no repercussions. It just makes the US look like the bad guy since almost every other country in the UN is too much of a pussy (big surprise) to do anything about it. Since the United States is the leader of the free world everyone is looking to us to solve the problem.

Long story short, he pretty much had no choice to do this. He was backed into a corner.
#26 to #25 - captainwow
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So, get involved and it's "OMG STOP POLICING THE WORLD FAT MURICANS"

Do nothing and it's "GET OFF YOUR FAT ASS FAT MURICANS DO SOMETHING"

Also, it's mainly because Obama said he'd get involved if Syria DID use chemical weapons. he was banking on the threat being enough but it wasn't.
User avatar #95 to #26 - riddari
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Too bad it is yet to be proven that it was the Syrian government that used those chemical weapons.
User avatar #208 to #95 - thornberry
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I know, i mean i dont agree with going to war over it but I see why he felt that he had
#213 to #208 - riddari
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Well, good sir, but if you don't know who used the chemical weapons, why would you wage the war against the government by default?

I mean, they have the upper hand against the islamic extremist rebels so far, why would they do something that would bring an international uproar upon them?

Besides, you might say the US is actively working against the UN investigators. Why does he want to wage this war so bad? Even against the will of the congress?

There have been reports of US working against UN investigators that are considering the chemical weapon use there.

I don't like dictatorships, mind you, but I'd say it's better than letting theocracy rule. It'd be the cruelest form of government. If there needs to be an intervention, they have to let the UN investigators do their job and analise the case. THEN it's okay to act, depending on the investigation outcome.

One of the sources: www.infowars.com/us-attempts-to-sabotage-un-chemical-weapons-investigation/
#122 to #26 - unlucki
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Not the hero the world deserves but the hero it needs
User avatar #51 to #25 - rubydude
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Plus, some of the congressmen have stated they believe Syria will become the new Afghanistan in that it will begin to harbor terrorist groups. They started with bullets, then chemical weapons. What's gonna be next if nobody intervenes?
#57 to #51 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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Except Assad's opposition is tied to Al Qaeda, it's already Afghanistan dude. You're just shifting chemicals from someone who is ambivalent to the US, to people who want to wipe us and our allies of the ******* map.
User avatar #34 to #25 - PhoenixComics
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why is no one considering that it would have been the rebels? :/
User avatar #28 to #25 - defender
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Let other countries deal with it
#30 to #10 - anon id: 3ba13411
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Considering he was given the prize simply for not being global pariah George Bush and he's still not George Bush, it turned out perfectly.
#121 to #10 - kosmic
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#145 to #10 - anon id: 63e13605
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He's respecting the geneva convention
#38 to #10 - endospore
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The peace prize is kind of a joke. Gandhi never won one. Ever hear of Irena Sendler? Of course you didn't because she didn't win the peace prize even though she helped thousands of holocaust victims. She died in obscurity just a couple years ago. Al Gore won the prize for a slideshow about global warming the year she was nominated.

Andhere's a source for Irena: www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp
#217 to #38 - anon id: fa7c579c
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Don't forget that Gilbert Lewis never got a Chemistry Prize and John Steinbeck got a Literature Prize for parroting the Communist Manifes
User avatar #74 to #38 - admiralen
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implying helping holocaust victims have anything to do with peace, she shouldve been nominated for humanitarian or something like that
User avatar #188 to #74 - hydraetis
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implying a slideshow about climate change has anything to do with peace
User avatar #214 to #188 - admiralen
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yeah i dont really get peace prizes in general, peace is a fickle thing, you can have peace in a dictatorship, and in that case gandhi fought peace and such, its not an easy cathegory and i dont think Al Gore deserved one
User avatar #40 to #38 - kafudamapla
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I think everyone's heard of her after that FJ post about, don't pretend you're some insightful guy that cares about this ****
#43 to #40 - anon id: 59776862
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You sound like a ******* hipster.
User avatar #204 to #43 - kafudamapla
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Oh **** off
#42 to #40 - endospore
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I'm not pretending to be insightful. If you look closely, that's a snopes like I posted, which isn't the classiest of sites in the world. I'm just citing further evidence for the peace prize being worthless these days.
#15 to #10 - prvcowboy
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They should give him another one.
#39 - emostrawberry
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User avatar #52 to #39 - gragasvlad
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that would be awesome! He would be the first black president and the first black man to work for the goverment
User avatar #55 to #52 - gragasvlad
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also I hate emoticons
User avatar #170 to #39 - jeremyneverdieone
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What if Joe Biden was Vice President?
#13 - pappathethird
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All hail obabo
#21 - howaboutnsfw
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User avatar #33 - jukuku
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George Bush's 4th term sure isn't going well
User avatar #50 - gragasvlad
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I say let Syria destroy Syria.
#140 to #50 - ohnotwoone
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An excellent morally bankrupt comment.
User avatar #143 to #140 - gragasvlad
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it's the internet! we don't need morals here.
User avatar #118 - swagloon
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Why can't someone else deal with Syria? Or better yet why not let Syria deal with Syria?
User avatar #125 to #118 - smellmyfaceforswag
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America is the world police. Not joking. They're supposed to keep the world in "check".
User avatar #127 to #125 - swagloon
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But why?
They do something everyone hates them.
They do nothing everyone hates them.

Can't England do something? They have the power don't they?
User avatar #132 to #127 - smellmyfaceforswag
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Those outcomes are very true, but, it's their job so either way you look at it, not everyone will like you in the end. I don't know if England has the power to do any thing about it, but, I doubt that they do though.
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User avatar #190 to #132 - steedawwg **User deleted account**
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Well, we would have the power to something, but Parliament (the Labour party) had a hissy fit and said no. So we aren't intervening just yet. (I say 'we' as in England)
User avatar #128 to #118 - gammajk
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Because Obama said that the use of chemical weapons in Syria would cross a red line and would have to be dealt with, and chemical weapons were used.
User avatar #129 to #128 - swagloon
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Right under the UN chemical weapons are banned; this has to be a united effort between the nations, not just America.
User avatar #131 to #129 - gammajk
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Yeah, and the UN is a ******* joke. Obama actually stated outright that if ASSAD uses chemical weapons, not just a vague "if anyone uses them" but "i'm ******* warning you right now assad", then action would have to be taken against him.
#136 to #131 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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So let obama go to war by himself 91% of Americans don't want this ****.
User avatar #141 to #136 - gammajk
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No no, I'm not calling for war in Syria just yet, because Obama hasn't actually proven that Assad used the weapons. We know they were used, but Obama keeps referring to his sooper-secret documents proving Assad used them and refuses to tell the public what this proof is. Sound familiar? It's Bush back in 2003.
#144 to #141 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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The information was even collected by the same organizations that said there were WMD's in Iraq.
User avatar #150 to #128 - roliga
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And then turns around a week later saying he didn't set a red line
User avatar #154 to #118 - appleboom
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It is against international law to use chemical weapons. If no one enforces those laws, they are pointless. The UN is locked due to China and Russia preventing any action, so the laws must be enforced by a third party. The US and France have decided to be that third party, as no one else is.
#162 to #154 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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We continued funding Saddam after he used Mustard gas on the Kurds, the US doesn't give a single **** about international law, this is about Israel.
User avatar #198 to #162 - appleboom
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You mean Iran. You're also forgetting, though, this is Obama, not Bush.
#201 to #198 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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And Obama is basically a carbon copy of bush, this isn't something that deviates from president to president, we're Israel's bitch, and we're only going to war with someone if they're a threat to Israel or we can get some money.
#151 - roliga
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#172 to #151 - yuukoku
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It's sad that Democrats make the Republican party out to be inbred rednecks and unintelligent warmongers. I feel sorry for them.

Now Obama wants to start another war before he's even finished up pulling troops from Afghanistan like he said that he would.
User avatar #66 - avatarsarefornoobs
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you do realize that hes not trying to start a war, or take anything, or relive the Iraq fiasco?
he is trying to enforce international laws against the use of chemical weapons.
if people can just use chemical weapons freely without having some kind of retaliation, then other countries will begin to use it, as much as they want. and chemical weapons are bad, mkay? too many civilian casualties with em, pain and suffering as you bleed out of all of your orifices, etc.

not to mention the bombing isnt going to turn the tide of the war, nor is it meant to do so, its just a slap on the wrist.
and hes within his rights as president to make this call without congress because he is not putting boots on the ground.

im reading these comments and im just sorta surprised that none of you seem to understand why he's even doing this
User avatar #69 to #66 - reginleif
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Even if it were international law, it isn't our place to enforce it, and it isn't our responsibility either.

Every one "concerned" with Syria ought to fund, and fight the war themselves instead of trying to force others to act in something they clearly want no part of.
User avatar #76 to #69 - avatarsarefornoobs
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its not about syria, assad, the rebels, or anyone specific. its about the use of chemical weapons, and the fact that they shouldnt be used.

however, you're right, why should the US do it? why doesnt someone else step in?
so, say we sat back and did nothing. who would intervene? what if nobody did? then the use of chemical weapons will continue to be used and the idea of regulations in warfare go out the window. and that would be a step backwards for all of humankind, if you ask me.
User avatar #92 to #76 - reginleif
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We set back and do nothing, Assad wins , rebels either die (and killing ends) or continue to be killed. US wastes 0 lives and 0$

End result: Killing or the possibility of Despotic rule.

We intervene, Assad loses, rebels win bringing with them their Islamist brand of politics oppressing the people, people complain and die. US wastes Billions of dollars and a large amount of US lives. Despotic rule.

End result, Chaos, Killing and Despotic rule by Islamists.

There aren't "good guys" in this conflict, and it's not like we don't have a precedence ignoring Human Right's violations.

BTW sometimes intervening has negative effects that can be considered worse than the disease..... our intervention with the no fly zone in Libya extended an already bloody civil war that was about to END before we intervened, the Libyan conflict along with the Egyptian overthrow of Mubarek showed us that sometimes a despot is the only thing standing between their country and bloodthirsty Islamists.

I'm not saying Assad is good, or that I approve of his methods, by all means he's a monster..... I'm saying that so is the opposition and that to put our resources and lives on the line for one monster as opposed to another isn't the moral thing to do.
User avatar #101 to #92 - avatarsarefornoobs
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also, did you name your profile after Ephraim's spear?
User avatar #126 to #101 - reginleif
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**** yes, that spear is the business. :/
User avatar #167 to #126 - avatarsarefornoobs
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atleast we can agree on something
User avatar #99 to #92 - avatarsarefornoobs
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you arent reading what i said. this is about cruise missile strikes. while that costs some money, there wouldnt be any american casualties.
and i also said that its a slap on the wrist, and that the strikes are not going to be great enough to turn the tide of the war.
you are completely right about there being no good side here, i was just explaining that to someone else. US doesnt want to be caught supporting either side. its not about the war, its about trying to temper the use of chemical weapons.
#73 to #66 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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Syria is breaking international law meaning Syria should be punished by the international community. Secondly, if Assad falls the rebels take over, rebels might I add with ties to Al Qaeda, so unless you're advocating handing over the keys to chemical weapons to known terrorists overthrowing Assad is going to cause trouble.

And no, if congress says no and he still strikes Syria that is illegal period, it doesn't matter if boots go on the ground or not.
User avatar #81 to #73 - avatarsarefornoobs
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unfortunately, there is no "good" side in that war. Thats why the US isnt supporting either side. the strikes are not related to the war itself, its not supposed to show support to rebels, its supposed to temper the use of chemical weapons. didnt you see what i said?
But you are right. the international community SHOULD handle it. but when they dont, what do you do? just let the use of chemical weapons continue? its a difficult call, if you ask me.
#85 to #81 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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It really doesn't matter what side is being formally supported, if you go in and completely destroy the Syrian military the rebels can just walk right in. Which would be putting chemical weapons in the hands of people we know for a fact would use them against us.
User avatar #94 to #85 - avatarsarefornoobs
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they arent trying to wipe out the Syrian military. as i had said, its a slap on the wrist. it would take more then a few cruise missiles to turn the side of the war. or so Obama hopes, i suppose...
#98 to #94 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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Yes, yes we are, and a "few cruise missiles" completely ****** over the Iraq military during Operation desert storm.
User avatar #100 to #98 - avatarsarefornoobs
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yeah well, intention and result are often two different things, amirite?
#104 to #100 - anon id: fc60a5fb
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True, but we're responsible for the result, no matter our intentions.
#82 to #66 - anon id: 64f50b8e
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Maybe he's doing it to not lose face after he said that ******* red line thing?
#97 to #82 - anon id: 2659610e
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That dumb ************ should start watching his mouth. Impulsive ******* idiot.
#14 - anon id: cef0a37b
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Can someone please explain this to me? Congress hasn't voted on it yet and Syria hasn't been bombed yet. At least I don't think so, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
User avatar #103 to #14 - danster
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Well, a Youtuber I watch has some pretty good videos of the whole thing.

The Syrian War What You're Not Being Told Egyptian Revolution: What You're Not Being told World War 3 Has Already Begun
#16 to #14 - walmartysghost **User deleted account**
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you're right, he's just made a statement that says even if congress says no he wouldn't let that stop him from protecting national security. I think it's probably just getting blown out of proportion like these things always are.