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#8 - coryxyzagain (09/03/2013) [-]
MFW I went to the pet store last week and found organic, vegan, gluten free dog treats....for 						*******					 dogs.
MFW I went to the pet store last week and found organic, vegan, gluten free dog treats....for ******* dogs.
User avatar #76 to #8 - nylak (09/03/2013) [-]
...The vegan part of that is ******* retarded, though.
User avatar #75 to #8 - nylak (09/03/2013) [-]
Shouldn't all dog treats be gluten-free anyway, ideally? I mean, my dog has to eat grain-free feed because of food allergies (and my other dogs get the same feed just 'cause it's better for em than other crap and they need a high plane of nutrition for their jobs), which technically means it is also gluten free. Since dogs aren't really designed to digest grains, the only thing stupid about "gluten free dog treats" is the fact that they feel the need to point it out in those terms.
#81 to #75 - coryxyzagain (09/03/2013) [-]
My dog gets grain-free as well, that Blue Buffalo Wilderness is supposed to be the **** .
#69 to #8 - nasesse (09/03/2013) [-]
Dogs might be able to become celiac, not sure though
User avatar #67 to #8 - ningyoaijin (09/03/2013) [-]
As opposed to dog treats for fish?
User avatar #64 to #8 - imofcnotharveydent (09/03/2013) [-]
did you expect the vegan dog treats to contain dogs, eh?
#31 to #8 - anonymous (09/03/2013) [-]
Dog treats for dogs? I thought dog treats are for,like, ******* giraffes
#15 to #8 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Yeah, it's really terrible that no animal has to die for a treat which the dog cant taste the difference in!

**** off, jackass. Oh, and before you start "but it's normal and stuff", dogs are omnivorous and has been proven to live healthier life if fed on a herbivorous diet. Some people need to calm down about their irrational hate for vegans and vegan food.
#106 to #15 - yellowcardraiden (09/03/2013) [-]
Editing off the charts

And no one cares about your crap about vegans, and people don't hate vegans, people hate vegans that are like you.
#80 to #15 - Grom (09/03/2013) [-]
Your stupidity is actually quite amusing.
Your stupidity is actually quite amusing.
#139 to #80 - tyraxio (09/04/2013) [-]
While I am aware I became quite furious later on in the discussion, I'd like to know what stupidity I showed at this point.
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#23 to #15 - coryxyzagain (09/03/2013) [-]
Snobby ass vegan. Dogs have a need for protein as does almost any other mammal. Your attitude is why people hate vegans, calling me a jackass, assuming I am going to end sentences with the words "and stuff." How about you 						****					 off, no one likes you here. I'm also gonna need you to cite where you found dogs are healthier as herbivores.
Snobby ass vegan. Dogs have a need for protein as does almost any other mammal. Your attitude is why people hate vegans, calling me a jackass, assuming I am going to end sentences with the words "and stuff." How about you **** off, no one likes you here. I'm also gonna need you to cite where you found dogs are healthier as herbivores.
#27 to #23 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
A) You rage at me for calling you a jackass, following that up with calling me a snobby ass vegan. Great.

B) What attitude? If you can specify, I'll gladly discuss my attitude. I think you are misunderstanding the reason of me raging.

C) It's called parodying. You usually exaggerate other people's stupidity slightly more than what they actually are in order for your point to get across.

D) So your logic actually goes to the bounds that I should leave because I am not liked? Lol.

E) Gladly. Gary Yourofsky (American journalist) fed his dog exclusively vegan food and his local veterinarian was worried about his dog getting the right nutrients and ordered the dog be examined, and when he got back his dog, the veterinarian had to announce that they had never seen a more healthy dog. Taken from his speech at Georgia Tech.
#34 to #27 - coryxyzagain (09/03/2013) [-]
I called you a snobby ass vegan, because that is what you are.

Your attitude, sarcasm, name calling, and assuming that my rebuttal is going to sound uneducated just makes you sound like you think that you are superior. Which you aren't, right? Humans have fought their way to be at the top of the food chain and you opt to eat nothing but plants? I think that makes you inferior by choice.

As far as C goes, that supports my calling you a snob.

Yes, leave. We have all heard this ******** before on screencaps of Tumblr.

As far as Gary Yourofsky, he is a ******* criminal and a nuisance. Just a bleeding heart Liberal that isn't man enough to do his time.

#36 to #34 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
"I called you a jackass, because that is what you are."

If you have a problem with sarcasm on a website about humour, you are welcome to jump out of this debate right now. Honestly. Also, apologies, I used "jackass" out of reflex - you on the other hand called me a premeditated name, so you are in no place to be mad about that. I'm not saying I'm superior, Jesus Christ. This is about your inacceptance of vegans wanting to feed their pets vegan pet food. Not about you eating meat or feeding your pet meat. I am, unlike the majority of other vegans, not judging you based on that.

As far as your C paragraph goes, that supports my theory that you yourself call names and get personal in debates where you don't need to be.

Naah, I like it here. Actually I don't, but I waste time here quite nicely.

I'm not supporting Gary, I have had a brief conversation with him, and not only do we disagree, I also find him to be a very rude person, I am only referring to his veterinarian response after testing a dog fed only vegan pet food.
#84 to #36 - articulate (09/03/2013) [-]
Hello, third party here and I just wanted to say that you did indeed come off as condescending. My only real problem is that when asked to cite a source you responded with a story. One case does not prove anything. Maybe it is not harmful to feed the dog only an herbivorous diet, but just because one dog seemed to be in a better condition does not mean the diet is specifically the reason for the dog's improved health.

P.S. You will notice I did not address the name calling; this is because personal attacks are a logical fallacy and although you were the first to use it he too fell into it. I will say that it is not polite to assume you know what others are thinking or how they will respond.
#20 to #15 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
They're omnivorous. That doesn't mean they should be strictly restricted to a vegetable diet.
#116 to #20 - funmanigro (09/03/2013) [-]
how the **** was that edgy?
#21 to #20 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
DOGS DOES NOT ******* CARE

First of, this is treats, not "food", so this has nothing to do with a strict vegetable diet.

Secondly, what is the problem with "restricting" the dog to a pure vegetable diet? Do you really think the dog eats it and goes "wat is dis sheet?". No. The dog does not care. The dog gets fed, it tastes the same, it stays alive and healthy, it is happy.

Also, not being edgy, it just pisses me off that other people are pissed off by the mere existance of vegan products in general. You can continue supporting all of the animal farming that you apparently are so happy at doing, it's not like you are forced to buy these products.
#82 to #21 - jackii (09/03/2013) [-]
Purely vegan diets for dogs is strongly not advised. There's been cases of dogs and cats getting really sick or dying without their meat.
#22 to #21 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
I'm not pissed by vegans, I'm pissed how they act like their diet makes them immediately superior to anyone that consumes meat. I'm sure there are vegans who are accepting of everyone's diets.

I'm pretty sure dogs care, because I have one of my own that prefers meat over vegetables. It's far-fetched, but I know he'll eat some vegetables, or in this case, grass outside. I don't restrict my dog to eating just one food group, he's healthy with his regular dog food and wet dog food with occasional table scraps. You're making dogs out to be objects because they don't have emotions or in your case, "Dogs don't care".

Dogs care when you hug them.
User avatar #52 to #22 - rosette **User deleted account** (09/03/2013) [-]
Dogs interpret hugging as a sign of dominance

I'll go away now
User avatar #85 to #52 - articulate (09/03/2013) [-]
Is it the same with cats?
User avatar #112 to #85 - rosette **User deleted account** (09/03/2013) [-]
I doubt it... Cats are weird, some don't even like to be held or touched
User avatar #117 to #112 - articulate (09/03/2013) [-]
People always say that, but I find that if you pet them while holding them they don't mind.
#53 to #52 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
Them bitches better know who's dominant
#25 to #22 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Firstly, would you mind not generalising? I'm not mad because you guys eat meat or feed your pets meat, I'm just mad because of your raging over vegan pet food existing.

Also, no, dogs does not care if they are fed plant based or meat based food. Of course dogs prefer their pellets or wet food or whatever the Hell you feed it over a raw, fried or boiled vegetable. Vegan pet food looks, smells and tastes the same, and if not the same, equally good.

Also, I really hope you're kidding me when you're trying to twist my argument into me saying that dogs are emotionless objects. From me being vegan you should be able to figure out that that's pretty much the opposite of what I believe.

On a last note, look up speciesism, because you're running into a brilliant fallacy over how emotion filled dogs are, and how they love being hugged, while you have no sympathy for farm animals, including pigs who are much more intelligent than dogs.

Please note, I'm not preaching right now. If you don't want to be a vegan, I can't do anything about that. I just want meat eaters to A) Stop irrationally hate on vegans and B) Be aware of their actions. Now, you are probably going to deny my points and act like a ******* Bill O'Reilly, because that's usually what people do when encountered with ideas that does not fit within their image of the world.
#28 to #25 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
You are generalizing that dogs don't have likes or dislikes while holding your ideals as true and forthright. Some dogs may not care that their owner is using a vacuum cleaner. Some dogs may not like talking nice walks outside. Some really enjoy walks. Dogs do have preferences about what they eat. Not every dog is created equally in terms of their attributes, moods, and diets. Because we can't speak to dogs, we can tell what a dog is feeling through their expressions. I never generalized anything about vegans. But it seems from every argument I have with one, they assume their role as the correct stance and anyone who disagrees with them is incorrect and some backwards hick from Alabama. I even said before, I know that there are some vegans out there who accept anyone's diets and don't place their ideas as the highest.   
   
You're generalizing that I don't have sympathy for farm animals because I consume them to survive. Lemme tell you something, I used to work at a pork slaughter house and processing plant. I worked there for a week and quit. Besides the atrocious shift, it was just depressing to handle meat that belonged to something that was alive that day. I'm not going to quit eating meat because it's delicious and necessary in my diet.    
   
The OP of this thread is pissed about vegan food. I side with him because dogs need meat in their diets so they can have proper muscle development and brain function.   
   
You can't get everyone on your side. It's life. I want everyone to like me for who I am, but there are going to be dissenters. I want people to accept my sexuality, but there are going to be bigots who want to stone me. Where in this am I a, God Forbid, a Bill O'Reilly type? If I were like him, I'd just say something completely unrelated and then "You can't explain that".
You are generalizing that dogs don't have likes or dislikes while holding your ideals as true and forthright. Some dogs may not care that their owner is using a vacuum cleaner. Some dogs may not like talking nice walks outside. Some really enjoy walks. Dogs do have preferences about what they eat. Not every dog is created equally in terms of their attributes, moods, and diets. Because we can't speak to dogs, we can tell what a dog is feeling through their expressions. I never generalized anything about vegans. But it seems from every argument I have with one, they assume their role as the correct stance and anyone who disagrees with them is incorrect and some backwards hick from Alabama. I even said before, I know that there are some vegans out there who accept anyone's diets and don't place their ideas as the highest.

You're generalizing that I don't have sympathy for farm animals because I consume them to survive. Lemme tell you something, I used to work at a pork slaughter house and processing plant. I worked there for a week and quit. Besides the atrocious shift, it was just depressing to handle meat that belonged to something that was alive that day. I'm not going to quit eating meat because it's delicious and necessary in my diet.

The OP of this thread is pissed about vegan food. I side with him because dogs need meat in their diets so they can have proper muscle development and brain function.

You can't get everyone on your side. It's life. I want everyone to like me for who I am, but there are going to be dissenters. I want people to accept my sexuality, but there are going to be bigots who want to stone me. Where in this am I a, God Forbid, a Bill O'Reilly type? If I were like him, I'd just say something completely unrelated and then "You can't explain that".
#32 to #28 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Then you are mistaken. I am not unaccepting of either the fact that you eat meat, nor the fact that you feed your pet meat. I am pissed off at your obvious being pissed off at vegans having the same choice as you have, when it comes to petkeeping.

Also, vegan pet food are healthier than conventional pet food, not because it does not contain meat, but because it is mixed to contain the nutrients that the animal needs, rather than conventional pet food which is literally just **** meat blended together and assumed to be healthy because protein.

Very noble of you to quit working at a slaughterhouse.I realise that sounded sarcastic, but I mean it, honestly. I just don't get how you see a difference between working for the industry and financially supporting it. You are doing the same thing.

(By the way, let me make a quick reminder that I am accepting of the fact that you eat meat, however, we are debating, and therefore I am expressing my opinions when it comes to veganism and meat eating.)

How is it "necessary" in your diet? Please, tell me. Because I have not been eating meat for 4 years now, and I've been a vegan for 2, and I haven't noticed my body not functioning yet. In fact, I'm barely ever sick (but to be fair, I wasn't before either. My immune system has always been off da chartz).

You are acting like Bill O'Reilly because you're not listening to me. I'm not talking about his religious views here, I'm talking about the way that you are not listening to my reasoning. For example, you did not account for my saying that pigs aremore intelligent than dogs, also you continually seemed to ignore my arguments that I am well aware (more than most people, not referring to you) that dogs have individual personalities, but that I also argued that vegan pet food tastes identical to conventional pet food.
#38 to #32 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
There you go with the Ad Hominem again.   
   
I have said it a few times. I'm not pissed at vegans. I'm pissed at how they seem to hold themselves higher. You're holding yourself higher. Do the math.   
   
Well anything vegan is healthy. But it isn't perfect. There's nothing wrong with a dog eating meat. If you're so gung ho about the "Evils" of the meat industry, why is it okay for wild animals to hunt and kill each other, but not us? We're all animals. We just happen to be the most intelligent and developed and we can utilize the planet's resources, living or inorganic. There's nothing wrong with dry pet food, it's their staple and fortified with nutrients, just like your vegan pet food. These pet food companies aren't some evil places either, I'm pretty sure they put vitamins, minerals and proteins in their food, as well as dried meats and vegetables.   
   
I know some good men who work at the packing plant where I used to work at. Does it make them a bad person? No. They work there to make ends meet. The pay is just enough to get by. This factory wasn't even owned by some usual meat conglomerate like Oscar Meyer, turns out that 83% of the company's stake was owned by Mitsubishi and 90% of our product went overseas. But anyways, I got off topic.    
   
Not all bodies are the same. Not everyone can be vegans. I used to do some weight lifting and meat was a necessity then. Lean meats like fish and chicken were my favorites. What's wrong with that? Nothing.   
   
I have been reading and listening. I have been refuting. You're doing this again, how you're holding your ideas as true. The whole thing about pigs being more intelligent is irrelevant to the main topic.   
   
And I have to thank you for this, because I have a paper for my English 101 class about the types of arguments. You honestly made my day a little easier.
There you go with the Ad Hominem again.

I have said it a few times. I'm not pissed at vegans. I'm pissed at how they seem to hold themselves higher. You're holding yourself higher. Do the math.

Well anything vegan is healthy. But it isn't perfect. There's nothing wrong with a dog eating meat. If you're so gung ho about the "Evils" of the meat industry, why is it okay for wild animals to hunt and kill each other, but not us? We're all animals. We just happen to be the most intelligent and developed and we can utilize the planet's resources, living or inorganic. There's nothing wrong with dry pet food, it's their staple and fortified with nutrients, just like your vegan pet food. These pet food companies aren't some evil places either, I'm pretty sure they put vitamins, minerals and proteins in their food, as well as dried meats and vegetables.

I know some good men who work at the packing plant where I used to work at. Does it make them a bad person? No. They work there to make ends meet. The pay is just enough to get by. This factory wasn't even owned by some usual meat conglomerate like Oscar Meyer, turns out that 83% of the company's stake was owned by Mitsubishi and 90% of our product went overseas. But anyways, I got off topic.

Not all bodies are the same. Not everyone can be vegans. I used to do some weight lifting and meat was a necessity then. Lean meats like fish and chicken were my favorites. What's wrong with that? Nothing.

I have been reading and listening. I have been refuting. You're doing this again, how you're holding your ideas as true. The whole thing about pigs being more intelligent is irrelevant to the main topic.

And I have to thank you for this, because I have a paper for my English 101 class about the types of arguments. You honestly made my day a little easier.
#45 to #38 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Italics means I just said something that makes me seem like an intellectual

Okay, great. Then we don't have a problem. I'm just going to ignore you personal attack at implying I hold myself higher.

I'm not a vegan because I don't like animals being killed. I'm a vegan because of the way animals are treated in modern farming. You won't see me going on a safari to kill a lion just before it attacks a gazelle, because that's nature. It's sad nature, and yes it's sad that the gazelle has to die, but I can't really do a lot about it, because it's part of the eco system. Modern farming however, is nothing like this. It's about keeping as many animals as possible locked up in as little space as possible and treating them with no respect. If you don't believe me, just check out the in-farm shootings that can be found everywhere on the web. As for the pet food; some is, indeed, but the stuff that most people buy are not. It's just capitalism; produce something for the lowest price for the highest income.

Depends on what you mean by bad. Working there is a bad thing, yes, but good people do bad things to get on.

Everyone can be vegans, yes, they can. It is also possible to be a vegan bodybuilder, and I happen to know one personally, and know of many more. The widespread belief that protein and such as not to be found anywhere in any kinds of vegan foods are simply laughable.

I am holding my ideas as true. Yes, I will not deny that. But don't you dare to tell me that you are not holding your own ideas as true. I have an open mind, which is why I don't blame other people for eating meat, because I realise it takes a lot of effort to be a vegan, and not all people are willing or able to put that effort into it. However, you can't expect to convince me that eating meat is right. About the pigs, not anymore, but originally it was due to you praising dog intelligence, and I bet you wouldn't want to kill your dog.

Attacking me again. I actually liked you at first, arrogant.
User avatar #115 to #45 - aviators (09/03/2013) [-]
Okay, **** you for generalizing when you got upset about that earlier.

"Modern Farmers" Both my Uncle and my Grandfather would be considered modern beef farmers due to the fact they are up to date on modern equipment and regulations and such.

They do not just shove a bunch of cattle into as little a space as possible, in fact they have so much space they transition the cattle between fields, otherwise they're fields would not be put to use.

And they do not even kill their own cows, unless they are butchering meat for me or other family members. They help load them up and then ship them off to be killed.

So again, **** you for generalizing when you got upset about it. and that will be all.
#86 to #45 - articulate (09/03/2013) [-]
Actually you're supposed to write in italics when you say something in a foreign language.    
Valar morghulis.
Actually you're supposed to write in italics when you say something in a foreign language.
Valar morghulis.
User avatar #129 to #86 - waterbottlemanboy (09/04/2013) [-]
Is that the guy who played Moriarty?I'm probably wrong.
#49 to #45 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
Now you're just wasting my time. I never personally attacked you. You're playing victim. There's not point in prolonging this any further since you don't take what I have to say into consideration. You've only proven that you do, in fact, think you're higher and anyone who eats meat, their pets who eat meat, anyone who works at a factory that processes meat is a low life. I was hoping to obtain some sort of an agreement that dogs do, in fact, care. It's pretty much been proven that they care. They aren't like pigs, who literally eat anything. Dogs have preferences. End of Story.

I have a paper to write.
#51 to #49 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
I agree. Nothing good is coming out of this. But do me a favour, buy one bag of vegan pet food. The smallest you can find. I'll pay you over PayPal if you need me Serve it to your dog, if it appears to not like it, you win. I bow to you, and you win. If it does not even notice the difference, I won't tell you I told you so.
#83 to #51 - jackii (09/03/2013) [-]
What does that prove? A dog will eat ANYTHING that's presented to them as food, even if it's highly poisonous.
#145 to #83 - tyraxio (09/05/2013) [-]
The argument went over the dog preferring one over the other. I am the one arguing that the dog won't mind what it eats.
#146 to #145 - jackii (09/05/2013) [-]
Fair enough. Just sourcing your information from PETA was a bad move.
#147 to #146 - tyraxio (09/05/2013) [-]
Was exactly what I didn't do. Where did I source anything from PETA?

On a side note, I think vegans are even more pissed off at PETA than you could possibly be.
#137 to #83 - RiflemanFunny (09/04/2013) [-]
Give him this
User avatar #37 to #32 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
Oh, here, I found it. It's a good example of why I don't think veagans have a healthy life style.
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#42 to #37 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Her lack of nutrients are not due to the mother not eating properly. First of, you do get your nutrients through plants if you eat properly, but even if you didn't, the child would not die from lack of nutrients, lol. The parents are extremely stupid for not seeking professional help though.

Also, I personally know a vegan mother to a healthy child.
#46 to #42 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
If she took the right pills to substitute for the missing nutrients she needed, the child would have been fine. Plants can not substitute meat. They are not the same, and do not have the same nutrients. The child died because it was missing those important nutrients that comes from eating meat. Brest milk IS effected by what the mother eats. If the baby is surviving on just the brest milk, then the mother NEEDS those nutrients. This one did not, because there are some things she refused to eat. This was the consequence of her actions. They were not bad parents for being vegans. They were bad parents for not knowing what the baby needed.
If she took the right pills to substitute for the missing nutrients she needed, the child would have been fine. Plants can not substitute meat. They are not the same, and do not have the same nutrients. The child died because it was missing those important nutrients that comes from eating meat. Brest milk IS effected by what the mother eats. If the baby is surviving on just the brest milk, then the mother NEEDS those nutrients. This one did not, because there are some things she refused to eat. This was the consequence of her actions. They were not bad parents for being vegans. They were bad parents for not knowing what the baby needed.
#89 to #46 - articulate (09/03/2013) [-]
I neither agree nor disagree with your statement(s).
#48 to #46 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
The only vitamins a vegan needs to take i B12, but it's not at all that vital that people die from lack of it. But funny thing is, do you know why there are large quantities of B12 in meat? Firstly, they are fed B12 enriched foods for that very cause (so really, what's the difference between me eating the pill and the cow eating the pill?) and secondly, due to the fastly rotting qualities of meat, B12 rich bacteria appear in the meat as well.
User avatar #56 to #48 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
>Implying meat has nothing else to offer than B12
>Implying vegans need different nutrients from the rest of humanity
>Implying feeding cattle a diet is needs is redundent
#35 to #32 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
I'mma just hop in for a second here.    
   
"vegan pet food are healthier than conventional pet food"   
Where's your sauce?   
   
"I just don't get how you see a difference between working for the industry and financially supporting it. You are doing the same thing."    
By that logic, I support murder by paying taxes to my government that kills people in war.   
   
"How is it "necessary" in your diet?"   
www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=should-humans-eat-meat-excerpt   
Your momma and your pappa ate meat. If they didn't, you wouldn't be here. You literally need it. There are many, many medical reasons for it. All you have to do is be willing to read.   
   
You forget why this started between you two. You said Dogs don't care. They do. The rest stems from that. It's fun.
I'mma just hop in for a second here.

"vegan pet food are healthier than conventional pet food"
Where's your sauce?

"I just don't get how you see a difference between working for the industry and financially supporting it. You are doing the same thing."
By that logic, I support murder by paying taxes to my government that kills people in war.

"How is it "necessary" in your diet?"
www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=should-humans-eat-meat-excerpt
Your momma and your pappa ate meat. If they didn't, you wouldn't be here. You literally need it. There are many, many medical reasons for it. All you have to do is be willing to read.

You forget why this started between you two. You said Dogs don't care. They do. The rest stems from that. It's fun.
#41 to #35 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
1) I know this is not a scientific article, but everything else I could find was either heavily biased towards either side. I mean, sure, I could link you to PETA's website if you so wanted me
My original sauce is Gary Yourofsky's personal experience where his veterinarian ordered his dog for examination after discovering that Gary kept it on a strictly vegan diet, after which the veterinarian was shocked to find that it was healthier than the majority of other dogs. Whether this was due to the food or due to him training it more than the average pet owner - I don't know. But from this, I can conclude that the animal was not damaged from the lack of meat.

2) Very good point, but extremely fallacious. Is your point actually that there is no point in not buying meat products because you are not supporting it? Through taxes, yes, you are contributing. There's a reason people can protest about what the government uses your money for.

3) I'm not even going to discuss this. Except from the benefits of a vegan diet, which you wouldn't believe me anyway if I counted, so I won't bother, I'll just point towards the fact that I am alive, as are many other vegans, including sportsmen and bodybuilders.
#126 to #41 - kanbabrif (09/04/2013) [-]
Or you know I could enjoy my delicious steaks and wonderful bacon. That wonderful smell and taste. I wouldn't haven't any other way, also the fact I live in texas and people know their way around a cow here helps as well.
#44 to #41 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
You are right. These articles can be bias. That why I demand that they show some ******* proof if they are going to tell me what's good or bad. Still, I got to say, 100,000+ years of humans and dogs eating meat seems to have worked out well so far. If there was a better option, I think we would have figured it out LONG before now. The veagan most people hate is the ones who stick thier noses up and think they have it all figured out. And though you may not be trying to come off as one... you are. You sound like a stuck up assnugget here whether you intended to or not.

Again, I would need some sauce and proof of this story. It's hard to know whats real online. I'm not saying YOU are lying, I'm saying someone else could be exaggerating.

Well, I do not find anything wrong in eating meat. That is my opinion. If every market in the world up and stopped selling meat, I would buy a gun and start hunting. Why? Because I love the taste of meat, and my body needs meat to stay healthy. This is a life style I have grown with and will continue to use for the rest of my life. My wife is the same, and our future child wil be raised the same.

I would believe you if I saw proof. I've seen many large scale studies proving that we need meat. That... and the whole 100,000 years of meat eating evolution. That goes for humans and dogs. (And anything else that eats meat) As one of my favorite comedians once said, "I don't see Lions lining up to get their 100% no meat vegan burgers"
#47 to #44 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
It is that mentality, for instance, keeping us from achieving anything. "IF IT WAS RIGHT WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY FIGURED IT OUT."
We are debating, therefore I am expressing my views. However, you are certainly not seeming like you are judging or in any way stuck up, calling me an assnugget and all that.

I am going to drop out of this discussion now because I am offended by what you just said and feel like I am wasting my time discussing with you if you are going to do nothing but insult me personally, while still not listening to me. Call me a pussy, but what is the point if you are that subjective about this discussion anyway? If you want a proper discussion you can contact me personally and we can have this discussion in private (in other words, cum fite me irl bro lel). But I have a feeling you wouldn't be interested in this if it wasn't for the sake of trying to humiliate me in public or get those pinkies.
#55 to #47 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
Assnugget isn't so bad. If you were REALLY being annoying, I would have called you a cuntmuffin.   
   
Do remember that I didn't say you were trying to be an assnugget. I know full well that you are not trying to act like one. I simply informed you that you are coming off as one. That right there is the only thing I said against you, and it wasn't a direct insult. So, before you claim I am doing nothing but insulting you, you should read and reread my comment. Now, I am implying that you are stupid and can not read, by insinuating that you lack the ability to understand my comments.   
   
I don't see how this is much of a debate in the real world. The medical books and medical schools seem pretty sure about needing meat. Evidence is not an opinion. Biology does not change to suit the wants of one person. While there may be such things as genetic defects that let people eat glass and be fine, they are not the majority. The majority of people on earth need meat. And when I say majority, I don't mean 51%. I mean all of you. If you can live without meat, well, that's a 						*******					 medical marvel. (I need to know the details on their biology if they can do that)   
   
You are offended that I have a different opinion that I am going to stick with? As I've stated before, I have not insulted you. You simply took my opposite opinion as an insult to your own. As if simply hearing me out is throwing trash on your golden shoes of righteousness. I have stated why I do not believe vegans are healthy. I have shown proofs as to why. I have given you chances to prove your side. You have done nothing but repeat yourself in rebuttal. If you think I came here to publicly humiliate you, then you have me all wrong. I could have posted that popcorn picture and have been done with it. You are humiliating yourself well enough on your own. I came to have an actual discussion with you.
Assnugget isn't so bad. If you were REALLY being annoying, I would have called you a cuntmuffin.

Do remember that I didn't say you were trying to be an assnugget. I know full well that you are not trying to act like one. I simply informed you that you are coming off as one. That right there is the only thing I said against you, and it wasn't a direct insult. So, before you claim I am doing nothing but insulting you, you should read and reread my comment. Now, I am implying that you are stupid and can not read, by insinuating that you lack the ability to understand my comments.

I don't see how this is much of a debate in the real world. The medical books and medical schools seem pretty sure about needing meat. Evidence is not an opinion. Biology does not change to suit the wants of one person. While there may be such things as genetic defects that let people eat glass and be fine, they are not the majority. The majority of people on earth need meat. And when I say majority, I don't mean 51%. I mean all of you. If you can live without meat, well, that's a ******* medical marvel. (I need to know the details on their biology if they can do that)

You are offended that I have a different opinion that I am going to stick with? As I've stated before, I have not insulted you. You simply took my opposite opinion as an insult to your own. As if simply hearing me out is throwing trash on your golden shoes of righteousness. I have stated why I do not believe vegans are healthy. I have shown proofs as to why. I have given you chances to prove your side. You have done nothing but repeat yourself in rebuttal. If you think I came here to publicly humiliate you, then you have me all wrong. I could have posted that popcorn picture and have been done with it. You are humiliating yourself well enough on your own. I came to have an actual discussion with you.
#58 to #55 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Aww, shush it you dickpie.

You talk about me coming off as this and that, yet you evidently don't think about how you come off when you "don't" insult people. And your argument kind of falls when you need to insult me afterwards too. You're cute.

I dont get why people tend to think this. Sure, meat has certain dietary pros, but only very few (read: B12, and higher amount of few salts) however, it has a lot of cons. Cholesterol, which is the most famous reason to eat less meat, and so is saturated fat. I could go into how animal protein is acidic and leeches the body of certain crucial elements. My ex girlfriend had a biology teacher who admitted to her that meat is pretty much poison to the human body, even though he was not a vegan.

I'm not going to discuss this because at no point have I said you can't have your opinion, nor have I exclaimed any order for you to turn vegan. Your business, I can't change that.
#62 to #58 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
I intentionally put emphasis on how I was insulting you after having addressed the way you have mistook what you thought was an insult. The purpose of this was to show the difference. Instead, the reasoning wen't over your head the moment you figured out I was implying you were stupid. (I don't know how you figured that out either) So now, you're going to chastise me for that. You do realize that, in doing so, you merely proved that you don't read, right? I could not have made that more clear. (Literally, I was running out of characters)

I have asked you for proof of these claims three times now. I have seen none. I will continue to dismiss claims until proven otherwise. I can and have backed up my own claims already, be it with links or news reports. (Each with their own sources to double check with)

Funnily enough, I have no tried to convert you to eating meat. Never once did I tell you to pick up a steak and place it in your face. I have not told you that your opinion is wrong.
You said you were not going to discuss this already. Yet, you replied. Twice.
User avatar #70 to #68 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
I always loved when they use quotes like "But eating a lot of it". Did you know a woman once died from drinking too much water? I'm not kidding. She was in some contest to win some grand prize, and the bitch wen't all out. She died from drinking too much water. Eating too much of anything is bad for you. So in this, I have to say it's a miss. YES, there are bad things about eating too much meat. They d not outweigh the good.

"More than 8.5 percent of U.S. adults have been diagnosed with diabetes"
"There's no question that consumption of red meat is too high,"
I'm sorry, was was the obesity rate in America again? More than 8.5 by far.
www.heart.org/idc/groups/heart-public/@wcm/@sop/@smd/documents/downloadable/ucm_319588.pdf
So is it meat that is causing the Diabetes, or eating way too much of it? We've all seen Jaba the Hut at McDonald's. I'm sure he makes up both of those statistics. But do we blame the meat, or the eating habits? Though I wil not argue that meat can cause diabetes, I will say that the number of times that it has is a very, very small percentage compared to the times it has not.

"eating too many burgers, steaks pork chops or other red meat products has been linked to heart disease, diabetes and some cancers."
Again, I on't like the term "too much" or "too many". Science has proven that eating nothing but celery for a month will kill you. That doesn't make it bad.
"But the latest research brings even more dire news for hardcore carnivores."
Hardcore carnivores. These people are just as stupid if you ask me. You need BOTH meat and plants in your face if you want to live healthy. People who think they can go one way or the other are asking for trouble. Someone who refuses to eat plants will also be unhealthy. I try to compare each side to the normality, not the other extreme.
#71 to #70 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Okay.
#16 to #15 - frozencraft (09/03/2013) [-]
Found the vegan!
#18 to #16 - tyraxio (09/03/2013) [-]
Guilty as charged.

Found the new kid.
#14 to #8 - anonymous (09/03/2013) [-]
Well, they are only treats and not a main meal so it isn't as bad as it could have been. I feed my dogs organic, vegan, gluten-free dog treats sometimes too; they are called apple slices. So longs as I make sure they don't eat the seeds they are perfectly fine and sound much better than the processed cardboard you found in the store. I feed my animals grain free kibble mixed in with wet food. An occasional apple slice in between their regular diet of meat bits with meat and gravy isn't unreasonable, right?
User avatar #9 to #8 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
That's a way to kill your dog too, since they're mostly carnivores.
User avatar #11 to #9 - Blargosnarf (09/03/2013) [-]
Mostly carnivores, but still closer to omnivorous than, say, cats are.
User avatar #12 to #11 - inkiie (09/03/2013) [-]
That's why I said mostly, since my dog enjoys meat more so than vegetables.
#10 to #9 - angelious (09/03/2013) [-]
dogs are actually omnivores..they eat plants too



cats on the other hands are carnivores
User avatar #39 to #10 - bluenebula (09/03/2013) [-]
******** , my cat won't stop chewing on my new plant! She doesn't even eat it, she just tries to kill the poor thing.
#140 to #39 - angelious (09/04/2013) [-]
cats dont need anything from the plants to survive.either that plant is catnip or your cat just has some weird fetish for plants
User avatar #142 to #140 - bluenebula (09/04/2013) [-]
From what I hear, they chew on plants like this to help them with fur balls. Same reason they chew on grass. I don't know if it's true though/
User avatar #87 to #39 - cooperjones (09/03/2013) [-]
my cat does the same, but with my bamboo
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