(untitled). . As you journey along the path you meet an old man. He tells you that modern neuroscience has proved that all our Edens and decisions are merely th (untitled) As you journey along the path meet an old man He tells that modern neuroscience has proved all our Edens and decisions are merely th
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As you journey along the path you meet an old man.
He tells you that modern neuroscience has proved
that all our Edens and decisions are merely the
machinations of a predetermined universe and that
our concept of free will ' is naught but a comforting
illusion.
If you agree with his hypothesis, turn to page 72
If you disagree, turn to page 72
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#12 - pappathethird
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(08/26/2013) [-]
#50 to #12 - bjornkrage
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(08/26/2013) [-]
am i really the only one who doesn't see the illusion in this?
#90 to #50 - bobthebean
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Most likely, yes.
#208 to #12 - elgoog
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(08/27/2013) [-]
brain. Stahp. plz
#64 to #12 - lemleet
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(08/26/2013) [-]
that picture makes furious in some way
#72 - mostlyjunk
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(08/26/2013) [-]
What if i just close the book then
What if i just close the book then
#73 to #72 - maskedhippo
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(08/26/2013) [-]
you know that you won't
#182 to #72 - monkeysniper
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(08/27/2013) [-]
It means you are the chosen one.
#134 to #72 - Weekendman
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Then you were destined to do so.
#137 to #72 - beddeb
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(08/27/2013) [-]
You can't just do that!
#216 to #137 - anon
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(08/29/2013) [-]
It was fun pissing him off with the fail safe.
#171 to #137 - mrdrpage
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Sauce? And it's not ******* Battletoads or any variation or spinoff of Battletoads, assholes.
#187 to #171 - anon
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Fallout New Vegas I believe.
#186 to #171 - creepingorion
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Fallout 3. Pretty weird quest, you punch a ten year old in the face early on.
#188 to #186 - mrdrpage
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(08/27/2013) [-]
I knew the graphics looked familiar. Thanks a lot! And thanks anon above.
#91 to #72 - pankikilord ONLINE
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Closing the book because you don't wanna follow a predetermined choice is like shooting yourself for the same reason.
#104 to #91 - makeitasyougo
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(08/27/2013) [-]
but that defeats the purpose of having an option to follow, which the book is meant to have.
#29 - junkinator ONLINE
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(08/26/2013) [-]
I don't care if you agree or disagree, it's my opinion and you're going to ******* deal with it!
I don't care if you agree or disagree, it's my opinion and you're going to ******* deal with it!
#110 to #29 - OOOnelsonOOO ONLINE
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(08/27/2013) [-]
The logo seem odd on the left side...
#114 to #110 - superintrovert
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(08/27/2013) [-]
That's because Hooch's hand is moving.
#118 to #114 - OOOnelsonOOO ONLINE
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(08/27/2013) [-]
I mean that it's on the left. T.V. logos are generally on the right.
#120 to #118 - superintrovert
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(08/27/2013) [-]
. . .Wait, yeah, what the ****?
#37 to #29 - rekkan
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(08/26/2013) [-]
Hooch is crazy
#2 - pocoyothegreat
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(08/26/2013) [-]
Thinking about this always leaves me uneasy
#146 to #2 - anon
Reply 0
(08/27/2013) [-]
Lost Skeleton of Cadavra!!
That is my favorite movie but not many people I know have heard of it.
#3 to #2 - betesta
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(08/26/2013) [-]
I've had this gif for a long time
I've had this gif for a long time
#42 to #2 - lazercaval
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(08/26/2013) [-]
This was honestly one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Thanks for reminding me off it.
This was honestly one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Thanks for reminding me off it.
#140 - gamingtales
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Option 3: Say nothing and beat him over the head with a lead pipe.
#167 to #140 - zorororonoa
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(08/27/2013) [-]
throw your tea in granny's face.
#107 - tehcashew
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(08/27/2013) [-]
I don't like being told what to do
#119 to #107 - BLOONMOON
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(08/27/2013) [-]
what if that was your predetermined action? you'd be fulfilling it
#152 - vanoreo
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(08/27/2013) [-]
hang on

why are both sides on page 72?
#153 to #152 - teranin ONLINE
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(08/27/2013) [-]
#155 to #153 - vanoreo
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(08/27/2013) [-]
the comments are all talking about predestination
#159 to #155 - teranin ONLINE
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(08/27/2013) [-]
so was the content, or more specifically, determinism, the belief that all choice is an illusion and everything that is, has been, and will be was determined upon the inception of the universe.
so was the content, or more specifically, determinism, the belief that all choice is an illusion and everything that is, has been, and will be was determined upon the inception of the universe.
#154 to #152 - jaysquigglez
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(08/27/2013) [-]
It's because if free will is an illusion, it doesn't matter what you want to do, it's predetermined that you will turn to page 72
#157 to #154 - vanoreo
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(08/27/2013) [-]
and oh wow
#156 to #154 - vanoreo
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(08/27/2013) [-]
V
#166 to #154 - zorororonoa
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(08/27/2013) [-]
or close the book
#113 - wobblyloo
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(08/27/2013) [-]
what do you do?
#8 - spikethepony
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(08/26/2013) [-]
The way I see it, if the universe is predetermined by causality, than for whatever reason, I will continue to believe otherwise, as it is what I am destined to believe.
#9 to #8 - chaosnazo
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#10 to #8 - chaosnazo
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(08/26/2013) [-]
Wrong
The reason is quantum physics, where very much of it is based on CHANCE.

Explaination incoming

In the 19th century, scientists used the idea of random motions of molecules in the development of statistical mechanics to explain phenomena in thermodynamics and the properties of gases.
According to several standard interpretations of quantum mechanics, microscopic phenomena are objectively random. That is, in an experiment that controls all causally relevant parameters, some aspects of the outcome still vary randomly. For example, if you place a single unstable atom in a controlled environment, you cannot predict how long it will take for the atom to decay—only the probability of decay in a given time. Thus, quantum mechanics does not specify the outcome of individual experiments but only the probabilities. Hidden variable theories are inconsistent with the view that nature contains irreducible randomness: such theories posit that in the processes that appear random, properties with a certain statistical distribution are somehow at work "behind the scenes" determining the outcome in each case.
#24 to #10 - spikethepony
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(08/26/2013) [-]
I understand the concept of quantum physics (if only at a basic level), hence the word, if. Basically, I'm speaking hypothetically.
#18 to #10 - anon
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(08/26/2013) [-]
So... its still not under people's control, correct?
#25 to #10 - thatslovesbanned
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(08/26/2013) [-]
What determines that chance that the 'unstable atom' will 'decay'
More specifically, what decides that 'X' will 'Y' instead of 'X' will 'Z'
#11 to #10 - lininop
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#15 to #11 - chaosnazo
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(08/26/2013) [-]
tl:dr :  The universe's history isn't set in stone
tl:dr : The universe's history isn't set in stone
#51 - bakonforall
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(08/26/2013) [-]
what do you mean by "Predetermined?"
#54 to #51 - Hidnight
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(08/26/2013) [-]
Every choice you made was predetermined, not necessarily by god, but by subconcious
#55 to #54 - bakonforall
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(08/26/2013) [-]
you mean by MY subconscious, right? or are you referring to a higher power?
#58 to #55 - Hidnight
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(08/26/2013) [-]
Well if you were to choose to go left, right, or straight randomly, your brain chooses subconsciously very quickly which direction to go, and the thought process you are having is your consciousness catching up. You have very little control, a lot less than you probably think you do. Though why I'm implying deities is because why your subconscious is choosing left could be the result of god or just randomness. But this lack of choice is the absence of free will since your subconscious chose for you.
#60 to #58 - bakonforall
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(08/26/2013) [-]
have you considered the possibility that you subconsciously associate things that may not be very much related. when i think "right" i think of putting my hand over my heart and when i think of "left" i think of tennis (i play lefty). these associations could have negative or positive connotations, which would lead your subconscious to choose one over the other if there is no other logical way of deciding.
#61 to #60 - Hidnight
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(08/26/2013) [-]
That is more subjective, but maybe, or maybe not.
#62 to #61 - bakonforall
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(08/26/2013) [-]
those are my beliefs. and if you are not moved to refute them, I suppose we are done here. Good talk, friend.
#63 to #62 - Hidnight
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(08/26/2013) [-]
Well, the brain in my opinion is like a car. A bunch of parts that are not a car seperatley, but together they form a car. Your brain to me is just a bunch of parts that operate in a way that make you you.
#178 to #51 - hydraetis
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(08/27/2013) [-]
Here's a neat theory (which you may have seen in one of the many tumblr posts on this site)

You've already lived your entire life, and what you're going through right now is just reliving your memories.
#59 to #51 - chuckbillrow
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(08/26/2013) [-]
lets assume for a second that there is a work around for the uncertainty principal (so you can know with absolute precision where a sub atomic particle is AND its velocity) now lets assume you knew exactly where every particle in the universe was and its velocity mere moments after the big bang
presumably you could use that data to accurately predict everything that would ever happen ever
if all of the above were true (and it may be) everything that happens happens because it was going to happen and nothing you or anyone else does can change that because everything you and everyone else does was going to happen
and that is what he meant by "predetermined"
#66 to #59 - shaddz
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(08/26/2013) [-]
considering that it was a neuroscientist he would be talking about the mechanisms of the functioning human brain that personality does not filter into the equation given certain stimuli and it is all down to our pre programmed reactions as a biological supercomputer.
#70 to #66 - chuckbillrow
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(08/26/2013) [-]
true, i decided to go with the broader form of Predestination so i guess it is not what he meant but in the same vain
#71 to #70 - shaddz
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(08/26/2013) [-]
well yea it explained the predetermined idea better but skips over this version so thought I would add it in =). None the less I am sure it was quite informative for bakon
#67 to #66 - shaddz
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(08/26/2013) [-]
also that was for bakonforall as well