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#45 - cherrypoppin ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Heeerrrreee we go again...
Heeerrrreee we go again...
User avatar #121 to #45 - whogivesadarn (08/25/2013) [-]
sauce please?
User avatar #212 to #121 - mattimeon (08/25/2013) [-]
Crazy Stupid Love.
#127 to #45 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
to be honest they did fix all of the issues everyone complained about, so now it just comes down to the actual games on launch
User avatar #151 to #127 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
or maybe every one else still hates Microsoft for trying to sell this piece of **** with all of its stupid restrictions and don't want to give them any hard-earned money because they tried to ******* spy on them!
#152 to #151 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
if you keep boycotting even after they fixed everything everyone complained about, youre being an asshole and hurting the industry by giving them a mixed message on how to treat their customers.
User avatar #167 to #152 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
so if someone tries to rape you but then half way they invite you to dinner it's ok? you are like an abused wife going back to her abusive husband because 'he's changed this time'
#168 to #167 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
except this isnt about individual people. its a huge industry. we have to lead them towards a direction of improvement. that why we both get what we want. complaining after they fixed all of their issues just confuses them and stops progress.
User avatar #173 to #168 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
they are just a bunch of douchebag business men in suits who pretend to play games. At least that's how i see them coming off; arrogant. If they were straight and cut the charades, i'd respect them more. I just can't find myself to support companies like that, it'll only condone their behavior and think it's alright to do that.
#177 to #173 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
thats pretty much all business men though. all of them just want to get money, microsoft just happened to be the one who attempted to gain more money in a way which angered consumers and thats why we had to lead them in the right direction again.
User avatar #180 to #177 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
I just wouldn't want to give my money to a company like that, that's how we vote on a capitalist system.
#183 to #180 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
yes you have the voting idea right, but youre using it wrong. we need to vote when they fix it so that we can show them where we want the company to go with their products. if we just keep bashing them after they fixed their issues theyre gonna be confused and we wont make any progress.
User avatar #185 to #183 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
i won't give them my money just because they made their box less ******
#190 to #185 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
but ti isnt really that bad now. they fixed the always on thing, it doesnt need to be connected to the kinect at all times, they changed teh way used games work, so now it actually comes down to the games and the pricetag. if i had to pick one i would buy the playstation 4, but i still have to recognize that microsoft changed all of the things that the consumers asked to have removed.
User avatar #199 to #190 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
i just don't have any reasons to buy the x1, i mean PS4 still has better hardware, looks better imo, is way smaller, doesn't have a huge power brick, controllers use rechargable battery with a cool touchpad that could be used in a variety of ways to create many inputs (such as 'swipe left' or right or up or down etc) and the kinect just seems very gimmicky. all of that and the PS4 is still cheaper. It just seems like a no-brainer to me
#202 to #199 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
and those are actual legitimate reasons to buy one console over the other. If you are buying one over the other after actually looking over the hardware and games rather than basing it off of what they messed up before, then thats smart buying rather than counterproductive hate
User avatar #155 to #152 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
im saying they were being assholes in the first place and most likely got rid of DRM ect
not because thy wanted their customers to have a good experience but because they knew they knew they wouldn't get any money! why cant we be assholes back?
#156 to #155 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
because as i said it hurts the industry. all companies are out for the money. we need to show them which direction we want to go by voting with our wallets. being an asshole back wont fix anything
User avatar #157 to #156 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
but there could not be ANY way they thought they would sell it, i mean when has DRM ever been liked?
#159 to #157 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
steam is DRM and alot of people use it. and they fixed it by removing the always on function. so why are you complaining?
User avatar #163 to #159 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
steam is an ONLINE market you can not magically download things with no internet,
im complaining because of there ******* attitude, most compnaies have atleast some respect for their comsumers
#164 to #163 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
not really, all companies are out for the money, we just have to lead them in a direction where we both get a compromise. and DRM checks online for a license to play the game, steam's isn't that bad though because they've been at it for years now.
User avatar #171 to #164 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
even so, sony, for example im not supporting Sony here they are just the other big company in this debate have not done any big restrictions apart from the playstaiton+ thing but at least you get some other stuff for that, because thy knew it would affect their sales as you said companies are mostly money and want to keep their consoles nice for consumers microsoft didn't WANT to remove restrictions otherwise they wouldn't put them there in the first place
#175 to #171 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
I can agree on that point, but first I just want to clarify that Paystation+ isnt DRM but rather a subscription for their service that gives you good games, so thats actually a really good thing to have. But going back to microsoft, their adding their restrictions was more away for them to get more cash. It wasn't really meant as a potshot towards the consumers, but now we have made them realize why we don't like it and they fixed it
User avatar #181 to #175 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
the playstation plus thing is not DRM its playing to be online, but DRM has never been wanted in games,e.g sims city let alone the things you play games on i don't know why they put DRM on in the first place if its clear people don't like ti
#186 to #181 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
because its a way they try to stop pirates from pirating their games. and i can agree that its bad because it hurts the consumer more than the pirate because in the end the pirate gets the game and the honest buyer has to deal with it, but we have to show them why its bad. also, these companies are motivated by other companies like valve. valve has DRM that works because they have had years of experience, so other companies think, "oh hey, that could be useful" but it end up hurting them because they haven't had experience with that system
User avatar #188 to #186 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
you cant pirate a console
#192 to #188 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
yes you can. people do it all the time, although its more predominant in other nations. in mexico you can go to certain stores which will sell you a modded console and you can buy the games off of that same store cheaper.
User avatar #203 to #192 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
there are still other ways to protect your console from fraud, and even so as long as there is stuff to be stolen people will steal it so why not use a way that doesn't annoy customers
#204 to #203 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
exactly. tahts why DRM is bad and why we have to show these companies why its useless to have it.
User avatar #209 to #204 - standerdusername (08/25/2013) [-]
at least we can finally agree on this, also i just saw you were doing two arguments at once , well done!
#210 to #209 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
no problem! i like having a nice discussion where we can both help each other understand an issue better
#193 to #127 - fiskars (08/25/2013) [-]
it is funny though, xbox one is now just a hardware upgrade. every "feature" that xbox one had was a restriction, and now that all those restrictions are taken away, there is really no reason to buy an xbox one over a ps4.
#198 to #193 - robocopftw (08/25/2013) [-]
yeah, i can agree with that point, Microsoft really got ****** over because Sony got alot of free recognition to sticking to what they knew worked and playing it safe, and looking at them now, the playstation 4 does look more appealing with the lower pricetag and the untouched reputation.
#107 - MasterManiac ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Too bad Anthony is about 2 months late to the Xbox bashing party.
User avatar #108 to #107 - garymuthafuknoak (08/25/2013) [-]
still is funny.
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#115 to #108 - MasterManiac ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Meh. Could have been a lot more creative with it like "Will Kinect keep watching my burgers for me?" or something along those lines. Minimum effort joke to be honest, even if it were still relevant. Just saying.
Meh. Could have been a lot more creative with it like "Will Kinect keep watching my burgers for me?" or something along those lines. Minimum effort joke to be honest, even if it were still relevant. Just saying.
#7 - lronman (08/25/2013) [-]
gears of war.. NEVER FORGET
#223 to #7 - ghustla (08/25/2013) [-]
did you have to reminde me about my dead xbox?

P.S. pic related, that's my dead console
User avatar #109 to #7 - fukkendragonite (08/25/2013) [-]
After that scene, I perfect reloaded as Dom and he just shouts "NICE!!!" and it destroyed the mood. I burst out laughing. Seconds after shooting his wife in the head, he goes and does that.
#219 - closingcubez (08/25/2013) [-]
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User avatar #13 - meganium (08/25/2013) [-]
they got rid of that requirement
User avatar #15 to #13 - mrhotwings (08/25/2013) [-]
A long time ago a matter of fact.
#26 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
You don't need to connect it to the internet anymore.
You can resell your used games now (would have made games cheaper but whatever).
They are now giving more support to indie developers.
Kinect will not have to be always on for the console to work anymore.

What else is wrong? People are too stubborn to change their foolish minds.
tl;dr joke isn't funny nor is it relevant anymore
User avatar #35 to #26 - masdercheef (08/25/2013) [-]
Though the Kinect does not have to be on all the time, it's still a standard part of the console, and that makes it more expensive. Thus, it's simply out of my price range, so I am not planning to buy an Xbox One. It looks like it would be a good console, at least.
#40 to #35 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Ok so Kinect is ***** and we don't need it, well...
Made up statistic: 30% of xbox players have a Kinect
This means if a developer wants to put Kinect stuff (even just voice controls) in their game only 30% of people can use it. There's no point in wasting the time to support it so nobody uses it.

By including a Kinect with every Xbone mor devs will use it in their games.
You might think its a gimmick and maybe it is, but hardly anyone knows that on Skyrim you can shout "Fus Ro Dah" at your TV and control companions just by talking.
Just things like this i think are pretty cool when Kinect is implemented, maybe equiping weapons with it or using it to open your map without having to pause your game and navigate a menu, just convenience is what is best about it IMO
#54 to #40 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
Plus, if everybody already has Kinect, MS won't need to spend so much resources on it to entice buyers. Less Kinect Star Wars, Steel Batallion Heavy Armor and more core IPs.
And I think it's cool how if you make noise in real life, the zombies in Dead Rising 3 will react. I think that multiplatform games on Xbox will eventually stand out more, as Kinect 2 is a lot more powerful.
User avatar #105 to #54 - yusay ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Imagine the Kinect scanning your face to make your character in Fallout.
#56 to #54 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Ah thanks, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking there is a legitimate use for the Kinect.
User avatar #36 to #26 - Blargosnarf (08/25/2013) [-]
It's certainly relevant because it was a ******* stupid decision to begin with and deserves to be made fun of.
#44 to #36 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
What exactly was a stupid decision? Because I don't see how the PS4 is superior in any way.
User avatar #139 to #26 - aqwtg (08/25/2013) [-]
they tried to **** people over once .The fact is Microsofty considered its loyal fans to be
stupid as **** morons who'll fall for whatever offers or plans they roll out ... so ppl are bummed for that .its like your best friend stealing your dog and giving it back to you and apologising
#298 to #139 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Dude they're not evil, they aren't out to get you
User avatar #158 to #26 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
so whats the xbox one appeal? PS4 does everything the xbox 1 can except for the tv cable box input. PS4 still more powerful in every way, even has dedicated sound processor, it is way smaller, doesn't have a huge power brick and they have all the best developers like ND, santa monica studios, team ico, PD, ect.
#300 to #158 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Well it doesn't matter which console is better. We have clearly decide that this is irrelevant and Microsoft are evil nazi bastards.
User avatar #217 to #26 - imaginariness (08/25/2013) [-]
I've been out of the loop for a while. When were these changes made?
#296 to #217 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Since everyone flipped out during E3 the Xbone has made a tone of changes basically.
#233 to #26 - wagastragas (08/25/2013) [-]
you are saying others are foolish for not trusting xbox one

but you are the one who is defending a company that tried to put those tyranical policies on us, they didnt change cause they care about the customer, they did it cause they where seeing all their sales go to the ps4/wiiu
#297 to #233 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Wow a business acted like a business, good observation. They aren't evil dude
#248 to #26 - reallybatman (08/25/2013) [-]
Hey look. Another Xbox fan girl.
#299 to #248 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Oh look another whatever device you game with fangirl
User avatar #249 to #26 - theblindpilot (08/25/2013) [-]
The fact that they had to do a 180 on MOST of their policies they started out with still makes the joke relevant. Their intentions havent changed, they just saw PS4 preorders sky rocket.
#302 to #249 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Well I'd say their intentions have drastically changed. But maybe they still do want to watch me fap and murder my puppy, I don't know and neither do you
User avatar #276 to #26 - Yesitsme (08/25/2013) [-]
So they went from working as hard as possible to make a ****** console and **** on their customers, to making one that doesn't.

Just because they're not trying as hard now doesn't mean they won't succeed.
#292 to #276 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Reading these comments, they're all the same. MS didn't deliberately **** on anyone, they aren't evil.

You make it sound as if the Devil himself was at the head of Microsoft.
User avatar #293 to #292 - Yesitsme (08/25/2013) [-]
Notice that all of the things everyone hates the xbone for aren't things that it failed to do.

Nobody says "It's not as good as PS4 in so-and-so" regard, it's all in complaint to things that it DID do.

They could have just NOT built their OS around intrusive DRM and spying, but they did, until the massive internet outrage and gamestop threatening them with not selling their **** prevented them from doing so.
#295 to #293 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Well this really doesn't matter to me, these consoles will last for a long time just like the 360 and the PS3 has. And I will ask people what console is better and why they chose their PS4, theyl tell me it's because Microsoft made people angry 8 years ago.

My point is none of this matters and it's silly to make your decision based of it, rather than what console is actually better.
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User avatar #43 to #26 - contradiction (08/25/2013) [-]
the bandwagon is too much for people to go back
User avatar #75 to #26 - freakyorange (08/25/2013) [-]
$399 > $499 PS4 still wins.
User avatar #104 to #75 - nigalthornberry (08/25/2013) [-]
The Xbox1 comes with Kinect 2 which is why it cost more
User avatar #126 to #104 - freakyorange (08/25/2013) [-]
Perhaps I don't want a kinect?
#79 to #75 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
$349 > $399 WiiU still wins. what's your point?
User avatar #83 to #79 - freakyorange (08/25/2013) [-]
Yes, but the WiiU is just as stab-self-in-gut retarded as the rest of modern Nintendo consoles.

My real point is that if you're going to buy a console that's not stupid, and is worth the money, the PS4 is the best option. The xbox is overpriced, and has many other problems than the ones listed, such as the "party chat" feature will use a skype account, and Microsoft points will no longer be used, which would be okay, but the ones we have will be deleted.
#84 to #83 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
The PS3 was overpriced when compared to the 360.
What's wrong with using a Skype account exactly? Sounds like a good thing.
And yes Microsoft points will be replaced with real currency finally, and your existing points will be converted into money. Did you really think they would steal your money right before your very eyes?
User avatar #88 to #84 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
In regards to the PS3, it was just slightly more expensive than the blue ray players at that time so it was really not overpriced. You got a blue ray player and a console for a little bit more money than a regular blue ray player and blue ray won the HD race so it was a more worthwhile investment than dvd-hd.
User avatar #85 to #84 - freakyorange (08/25/2013) [-]
Yes, They would. They tried to with all of the ******** before we called them on it.
#89 to #85 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Ugh I'm not sure what you're getting at, on my Xbox Live Rewards account it said all existing and pending MS points will be converted into my local currency.
User avatar #46 to #26 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
You can resell SOME used games, some games will still require internet, developers won't have nearly as much free space and support as with Sony, Kinect always has to be "on" the Kinect says it can be disconnected but they made it an integral part of the system, it can never be removed.
#62 to #46 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
Many games will have to be always on on PS4 too. The Division, Destiny (mostly), The Crew, etc. Where does it say you can resell only some games? Everywhere I read it says you can sell every game you own. Kinect can be turned off. You can also completely unplug it if you like.
User avatar #66 to #62 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
It was in their initial retraction of the used game policies. After they stated it was retracted they had a fine print under it that restrictions would still be enacted but they were unclear at the moment so they didn't list them. Also it isn't unusual for MMO style games to stay online but other games will be built around an ever online system so they will require it despite the policy change, it is expensive to rework an infrastructure in a game like that. Here is a quote from Microsoft that the Kinect has to be with the system. The system works with the kinect, it needs it.

www.expertreviews.co.uk/games/1301713/xbox-one-will-never-be-sold-without-kinect
#70 to #66 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
By the link you provided, they simply mean that they won't be a Kinect-less bundle. They didn't mean that Xbox One will not work if Knect 2 is uninstalled.

www.polygon.com/2013/8/12/4615458/disconnect-kinect-and-xbox-one-will-still-work
User avatar #73 to #70 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Even though it is "disconnected" the Kinect is still partially functional. The link I provided was for the quote from Phil that said Xbox and Kinect are not separate things, both are needed for the console. When they announced it the kinect was required to be with the system for basic functions. Unless they made drastic hardware changes the disconnection is only for the primary functions of the camera.
#87 to #73 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
That's only a figure of speech. Saying Xbox is Kinect means that Kinect is what makes Xbox stand apart from the two others, that Kinect is its future.. Even the title was ''Xbox One will never be sold without Kinect'' And the first paragraph says it all:

Microsoft has confirmed that it will not be selling the Xbox One without its bundled Kinect camera, despite changing its plans to make the device mandatory.

I could shower you with articles and statements saying Xbox One can function with kinect.
User avatar #90 to #87 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
but I was saying that it can function with kinect.
#93 to #90 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
Haha whoops, silly me. I meant :

Xbox One can function withOUT kinect.

www.polygon.com/2013/8/12/4615458/disconnect-kinect-and-xbox-one-will-still-work
User avatar #95 to #93 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
They retracted the policy that the camera was essential for the function of the system but they stated that the "disabled" kinect could be turned back on with motion or voice. That means that it is never really disconnected, which is my whole point.
#53 to #46 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
"You can resell SOME used games" Used games sales are the reason games are so expensive, look at Steam; no hard copy to resell = cheap as **** games

"Some games will still require internet" Well internet is required for some games. Can you play WoW without an internet connection?

"developers won't have nearly as much free space and support as with Sony" I assume you mean indie developers and tbh i don't know much about this. I don't play many indie games and id guess that most people dont

"Kinect always has to be "on" the Kinect says it can be disconnected but they made it an integral part of the system, it can never be removed." (Hope you dont mind if i just copypasta my other comment)
Ok so Kinect is ***** and we don't need it, well...
Made up statistic: 30% of xbox players have a Kinect
This means if a developer wants to put Kinect stuff (even just voice controls) in their game only 30% of people can use it. There's no point in wasting the time to support it so nobody uses it.

By including a Kinect with every Xbone mor devs will use it in their games.
You might think its a gimmick and maybe it is, but hardly anyone knows that on Skyrim you can shout "Fus Ro Dah" at your TV and control companions just by talking.
Just things like this i think are pretty cool when Kinect is implemented, maybe equiping weapons with it or using it to open your map without having to pause your game and navigate a menu, just convenience is what is best about it IMO
#288 to #53 - wagastragas (08/25/2013) [-]
just as ea with origin? no hard copy to resell doesnt mean it will get cheaper, market works on demand and offer, if ms/nintendo/sony would sell their games cheaper since you dont get the cd/manual/box everyone would jsut buy that eliminating the hard copies and the game retailers, but no, online sells at the prices of retail games gives them more money they arent philantrpist taht want humans to live in peace and ahve a gaming heaven, as long as the cash flows we will have games.
#294 to #288 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
I see what you mean but we are opening up a whole new can of worms talking about the used game market and that's why I only briefly mention it.

TotalBiscuit did a really great video on the subject, problem is its 30 minutes long
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G_f8YBy39M
#322 to #294 - wagastragas (09/20/2013) [-]
later reply but i never log in much, in what he mentions he is right, but making it harder to lend physical copies isnt the way to go, they should had anounched they are going to reduce the price on the online games since they dont spend money on boxes,cds, moving it to the shops, and no intermedieries, instead we have the live market, pshop, and nintendo's eshop wich all sell the games at the same price as retail stores(with offers of 50% after the game isnt relevant anymore years later)
User avatar #58 to #53 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Wow, is not a console game you tard and I don't mean like multiplayer. Some games will require a steady connection because they were designed for a console that required it, just like games will more often require use of the kinect because it is a necessary part of the system. Kinect is still in a gimmick stage and Microsoft is cashing in rather than expanding it. If you want something that is making actual progress look for something like the occulus rift.
#63 to #58 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
I used WoW as an example because it is an MMO and we will probably start to see more MMOs on consoles now.
User avatar #102 to #63 - yusay ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Hell, Elder Scrolls Online is coming to consoles.
User avatar #72 to #46 - Crusader (08/25/2013) [-]
Whether a game can be resold will be up to the developer
The games that require internet are the games that focus mainly on internet stuff (like CoD, Battlefield, ESO, etc)
Devs will more than likely have the same amounts of free space on both consoles, especially since Microsoft is making it easier to upload to the Indie marketplace.
You can disconnect the kinect, but all consoles will be shipped with one
User avatar #78 to #72 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Microsoft said the kinect and console are not separate pieces. The disconnect is likely just for primary features of the camera. The system still needs the kinect for basic functions. Indie devs have never been really happy with Microsoft, even before the xbox one policies. Microsoft is very shrewd in dealings that involve other people making money. Sony takes a more laid back approach.
#197 to #78 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
"We already knew that you could turn off the Kinect, but now Microsoft says it doesn't have to be plugged in at all. Speaking to IGN, Microsoft's Marc Whitten shared the news that the Xbox One will indeed work without Kinect." - Kotaku, Aug. 12, 2013

I think you may have misunderstood. They will not be sold separately, when you buy the Xbox One you also buy the Kinect, but you don't have to even set it up.
User avatar #244 to #197 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
I didn't misunderstand, I hadn't read any news from this month on it. Last time I checked was in July. They are practically running backwards on all their policies. I am still pretty sure that the kinect being "unplugged" is still for the primary features since last I heard it was still turned back on by voice, so it wasn't fully disconnected at any time.
User avatar #27 to #26 - redtooth ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
You still have to buy Kinect, making the xbox one more expensive than the PS4 (not that I find this a big problem).

The biggest problem is that they TRIED to make all those mistakes, then they backed down. If someone kicked you in the face, stripped you down, and tried to shove a dildo up your ass, then was stopped by the police, would you say "Oh it's okay because he actually didn't shove the dildo up my ass"? It's the ******* thought that counts, I wouldn't support them after they tried to do all this ****
#226 to #27 - killersyug (08/25/2013) [-]
I try not to think about the thoughts in consumerism. When the original Xbox One announcement hit I was for the PS4, but after they removed the policies I'm going with the Xbox One because it has more things that I want. I'm not going to deny myself an experience that's better for myself over some small internal victory to make myself feel better. I wouldn't be fighting Microsoft by not buying a One, I would just be missing out on something that I would like.

I'm not sure if I explained that well. I'm tired. Someone hold me.


MFW Xbox One before the changes.
User avatar #32 to #27 - jakemakefunny ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Though I am thoroughly fond of your analogy, it's not quite accurate - there was nobody playing the role of the police. It's more like somebody was about to shove a dildo up your arse, but upon realising that you would be strongly averse to this happening, they decided not
User avatar #195 to #32 - wtfduud (08/25/2013) [-]
Nobody buying the xbox would be the equivalent of being arrested.
User avatar #275 to #32 - treepump (08/25/2013) [-]
I'd still be pretty upset if someone took such a long time to realize that I didn't want that thing up there in the first place, considering they've been whoring themselves out to me and people with interests similar to mine since like 2002, and if they were anywhere near a professional level they'd realize everything they were trying to do would be received negatively by all but the most stubborn of supporters.
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User avatar #258 to #27 - ogvind (08/25/2013) [-]
Wortless arguement, everyone knows that the Xbox One wins...
You get a god damn sticker!
User avatar #39 to #27 - mion (08/25/2013) [-]
I see it this way: They changed everything that's wrong with the X1 over night and they could easily change it back for the worse, so nope.

I grew up with Sony and wanted to give MS a chance, but they ****** up too bad the first time and I'm not too keen on getting disappointed too much.

Plus, I'll be starting University in October, so the 100 bucks I save are another part that makes me go buy a PS4, once FFXV and KHIII are released.
User avatar #47 to #39 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
It wasn't overnight. They were hassled for weeks on some of the most key issues and they didn't change their minds until the preorder numbers came up. Xbox had less than 10% of the sales PS4 had so they revoked their policies. But I agree, they screwed themselves over big time.
#57 to #47 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
Well of course it wasn't going to be overnight. They spent a lot of money on these and a lot of time of development. Furthermore, this conception took years so of course they would take the time to weigh in critics.
User avatar #76 to #57 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
They weren't "weighing in critics", the critics unanimously hated it. You can youtube the interview where they basically told everyone if they didn't want new features (like drm and 24 hour check-ins) they should just buy the 360. They didn't care at all. It was ONLY the preorder disaster that made them revise it. Sony was beating them by more than 10 to 1 so they finally revised it.
User avatar #48 to #47 - mion (08/25/2013) [-]
Well yes, "over night", you know. It was a hyperbole :p
User avatar #50 to #48 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
"I'll allow it" -Judge that allows everything on SVU
#29 to #27 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
The thing is, the **** they did wasn't even that bad and people just seriously overreacted.

Is your **** not already constantly connected to the internet?
Companies like gamestop are the ones shoving dildos up deveopers ass, used game sales are the reason games are so expensive and never drop below £35 whilst PC players are getting steam sales.

I really dont see what the PS4 has over the Xbone once you look further into it and ignore all the ********* on the internet
User avatar #30 to #29 - redtooth ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
While I do agree that people overreacted, it wasn't all that harmless. I live in an area with rare power outages, however when a power outtage occurs there is no internet for 3 days or even up to a week.
#234 to #30 - fractalius (08/25/2013) [-]
When there's no power you can't play xbox either
#31 to #30 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
I suppose that's fair enough. But they did listen to people like you (or masses of wankers on the internet) you and now it's changed.
User avatar #49 to #31 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
They listened to the preorders where Xbox had less than 10k sales and PS4 had over 100k on Amazon.
#55 to #49 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Well yeah who do you think is making the preorders? What's your point? A business acting like a business, THOSE DEVILS!
User avatar #60 to #55 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
You said they "listened to the masses". When the masses hboo'd them they didn't listen. When they were asked, on recorded television, "what about those who don't get good internet to their area or deployed military (who plays a lot of xbox btw) they were quoted saying "well there is an offline alternative, buy a 360". They gave everyone a giant middle finger, until their preorders were garbage. They didn't listen to the masses they saw bankruptcy on the horizon. Their reaction to having to make change? they withdrew w/e benefits they offered like family share plans as a small middle finger for making them change position. They aren't acting like a business they are acting like a monopoly and then a spoiled child when they realized their position wasn't as strong as they thought.
#71 to #60 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
I think the guy that said "well there is an offline alternative, buy a 360" doesn't work on the Xbox anymore, he either left or was fired for saying stupid **** .
And yeah they pissed people of at E3, people got angry, sales dropped so they made changes.

And I don't think they had any revenge plot for making the change position as you claim, that's absurd.
User avatar #77 to #71 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Then what reason would they have for removing the family share plan? It was the first thing they did when they changed their policies. Angry Joe on youtube has a rant on this particular subject. There isn't a logical reason for removing it, they were upset that the fanbase didn't let them do what they wanted with the next system.
#94 to #77 - legdude (08/25/2013) [-]
Look mate, I have no idea why they removed their plan, I'm not a Microsoft employee.

But claiming they did it to spite their own customers is beyond ridiculous.
#117 to #77 - drunkasaurus (08/25/2013) [-]
You are a 			*******		 idiot. Enjoy your PS4 and the 			*********		 programming and UI design that comes with owning a Sony product.
You are a ******* idiot. Enjoy your PS4 and the ********* programming and UI design that comes with owning a Sony product.
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#99 to #27 - MasterManiac ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
For starters, the only way that developers are going to use new technology on consoles is when they know that ALL the console users have the hardware to work with the game. There's no point in developers making games specifically for a small niche in the market, like current Kinect games. This is why the PS Eye, which comes at a very similar price to the Kinect (although with far worse technology) if you consider core consoles to be identical in price, will die off fast and be no more than a funky toy for your kids to play around with by waving at the camera. Nonetheless the Xbox will now operate fully (due to privacy concerns raised, quite rightly) without the Kinect being connected, so you can sell it on to what will be a large number of retailers who will likely stock the sensor, and give you maybe even up to the entire price difference between the consoles for your untouched Kinect, so that's not a problem.

Secondly what Microsoft have tried to do in the console gaming market is nothing other than what Steam did in the PC gaming market several years ago. Everyone hated them for it, with their non-resellable games that needed to be activated online before playing. But guess what? Without the middle-man of entertainment stores Valve were able to offer very competitve pricing on pretty much all the content they offered. As a result, a few years down the line, Valve pretty much have a monopoly on the PC gaming market because pretty much noone can touch their prices, and noone gives a **** about the DRM on the games anymore, because they are so cheap it makes little to no difference to most people. So what Microsoft have essentially set out to do is bring Steam to consoles, but people don't like that much change at once, so the move failed and the current gaming experience was opted for to please the general punlic instead. But make no mistakes, this is the future of gaming whether you like it or not, and both Sony and Microsoft will adopt it in the future.
User avatar #162 to #99 - rockamekishiko (08/25/2013) [-]
look, there is no need for DRM to do all that crap. You can still buy and download games off of PSN and xbox live. The kinect is just one big gimmick, if the product was so awesome and people desired it so much, it would sell itself and they wouldn't need to pack it with every xbox. digital download is not the future of gaming, it'll just go side to side. I will ALWAYS, ALWAYS prefer a hard copy of a game that i can give to whoever i want or keep forever.
User avatar #274 to #27 - cookiel (08/25/2013) [-]
I'm prepared for the red thumbs but I'll still say it anyways, *ahem*

I honestly didn't care about all of those things they were going to do. I don't buy used games and I don't sell my old games anyways (although I probably should). I wouldn't do that movie thing anyways since I never have people over since my house sucks. I typically always play online and wouldn't care about doing that anyways and who cares if the Kinect is always on. If Microsoft wants to watch me masturbate to porn then so be it, I'm over 18 so they can't bust me. I also can afford that extra $100 for the launch price. The biggest factor of me buying the Xbox One was the fact I can't stand the Play Station controllers anymore since I mostly play shooters and can't do the Duel Analog sticks right next to each other. I also love more Xbox games such as Halo and GoW.

Hate me all you guys/girls want, all I'm doing is giving my view and not saying my views are "right" and everyone else is stupid.

I do see your analogy as a valid point and was humorous so a thumb for you.
#51 to #27 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
I think that description is unfair. You make it sound like MS is just this bully. A lot of people who work at MS are incredibly talented and passionate. I doubt MS intentionally wanted to ''shove a dildo'' up our ass. They saw it work with Steam and maybe wanted to implement it with Xbox. Heck, Valve are making a Steam Box and no one is complaining of that console who will have Steam features. Everyone makes mistakes, even CEOs of big companies. At least they listened to fans and changed it. A lot of products change through production too.
I don't think those policies were that bad with. DRm seemed to be the big issue. Triple A games now cost a lot more to develop for, and used game sales are not helping. It seems a lot more studios are closing, we getting more and more sequels to existing franchises while sequels to new IPs don't see the day. Of those sequels, many are getting ''Call Of Duty-fied'' to appeal to the mass market.
I of course understand that many gamers are on a tight-budget. I am not supporting MS's past policies but I am offering a viewpoint I feel very few people are considering.

Also, I like that MS is including the Kinect. It means they are likely to less spend resources on Kinect software since there is no need to entice people to get it, which hopefully will mean greater exclusives. Furthermore, it will encourage developpers to implement Kinect in their games (unlike PS eye) since they'll (and the whole userbase) actually have one at home and be inclined to explore it which I believe over time will make the Xbox versions of multiplat games possibly different and stand out.
User avatar #68 to #51 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Also I pointed out steam because you said they were trying to follow that example but that isn't what they did.
User avatar #61 to #51 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Steam has an offline mode. I had to use it a couple weeks ago. I could still play all of my games without checking in every 24 hours.
User avatar #67 to #64 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
"now" is not the issue. The issue was that Microsoft tried to screw over loyal customers in a big way and they were very obstinate about it until they saw just how hard it was going to hit their wallets. I won't support a company like that, especially not when Sony hasn't done me wrong since the 90s.
#82 to #67 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
As I said, what makes you think they wanted to screw us over? Maybe they really wanted to benefit the gaming industry and its developpers with it. I do think it was excessive, but not entirely wrong. You never addressed the issues I raised about studios closing and more sequels and ''safe'' games coming out.

Besides, Sony is not that perfect either. They filed a patent for DRM, and while it wasn't announced for PS4, it shows that they were considering it. Waiting Microsoft to make the first move on DRM was a smart move from them, so they could watch the backlash from afar.
www.ibtimes.com/sony-files-patent-curb-access-used-video-games-1005876

www.giantbomb.com/forums/playstation-4-8451/sony-s-ps4-drm-plans-detailed-in-january-2013-pate-1439755/
User avatar #86 to #82 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Ok, in chronological order. I NEVER said they wanted to screw us over. I said they were screwing over loyal fans and they were stubborn about it. Despite fan outrage and very vocal complaints they refused to change policies for them. They didn't change for the fans, just the money, which shows a lack of concern where it should be, with the people purchasing your merchandise. The used game cycle certainly puts a dent into gaming sales but you treat it as some sort of cancer eating the gaming industry. The used game market is NOT having as big an impact as you suggest. Gaming in general is very expensive and the costs are only rising at a very rapid rate. It is an innumerable list of reasons and used games is not the main issue.

As for the Sony DRM, if you read articles when that happened the main reason speculated as for their actions was to remove it from play. They bought out that DRM policy because they knew Microsoft wanted to use one and they took the most convenient one so that Microsoft would have to develop a new DRM method. That isn't something Sony said, that is from market analysts when I was reading through game news magazines (to remove thoughts of bias or Sony misleadings).
#142 to #86 - hiccupthehuman (08/25/2013) [-]
I don't believe that excuse one second. Why would a company spend a lot of money so that its competitor doesn't **** up? All companies have the goal of making money and having the most market share possible, and Sony is no exception. And again, that was from ''market analysts'', not Sony itself. Market analysts like Patcher predicted Wii, 360, PS3 were the last generations of consoles; so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

It's true the used sale market is not killing the game industry but I don't think it is fair to ignore it. Developers work hard and when some games get passed 2-3 times when it was purchased once, it stings. I believe something should be made so that developpers get money on second-used games but that's another topic

''Despite fan outrage and very vocal complaints they refused to change policies for them.'' Umm, they did change. '' They didn't change for the fans, just the money, which shows a lack of concern where it should be, with the people purchasing your merchandise.'' And what makes you say thaT? Do you have an all-seeing eye over at Microsoft? I'm guessing no.

If MS does it, it is for money, but if Sony does it it's to protect us and save gaming? Yeah right. Both are giant corporations who provide a service for money, that's it. That's a fallacy of thinking, forgot the name but it goes along the line of '' your group is inherelently bad, my group is inherently good''. In fact I believe Adam Sessler (not sure) addressed it like this: fanboys make assumptions and deform the opposing manufacturer so that they and their next-gen choice feel validated. Your assumptions about Microsoft can only be backed up in a fanboy mind.
User avatar #243 to #142 - IamSofaKingdom (08/25/2013) [-]
Obviously all businesses do it for the money but your argument style of assumption and putting words in the mouths of others is irritating. I never said either company was trying to advance gaming but they are businesses and making the customer happy is priority #1 for a successful business. Microsoft didn't realize it until they saw they were going to get next to nothing for their product.
#112 to #51 - yusay ONLINE (08/25/2013) [-]
Hell, I had to work with MS for four or five hours yesterday to get some 			****		 to work and all three of them were pleasant.
Hell, I had to work with MS for four or five hours yesterday to get some **** to work and all three of them were pleasant.
#106 to #27 - omnomonom (08/25/2013) [-]
I disagree, they did something they thought would benefit users (though more likely to benefit their pockets haha) and then because of consumer backlash changed it again to benefit you and your gaming experience.

It's like they tried to **** you with a dirty old dildo and you said please stop and then they gave you a bigger, new dildo.

User avatar #34 to #27 - scorpionbtu (08/25/2013) [-]
PS4 is now 450$. and it does not come with their camera. Honestly, I might use the kenect, but still Sony has not handled the PS4 well since after E3
#225 to #34 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
Actually it's still $399. If you're paying that much then you're getting jipped
User avatar #280 to #27 - flamingpie (08/25/2013) [-]
Then wait a few month's when it will be sold without it...
#263 to #27 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
Honestly, how could you make such a comparison? What you're saying is that if someone makes mistake, they can't be forgiven? Even if they changed for the better because they LISTENED to you complain?
User avatar #255 to #27 - psychopsychedelic (08/25/2013) [-]
Though what they were trying to do is what steam already does.

They were just trying to do it for consoles.
User avatar #241 to #27 - cheesetoast (08/25/2013) [-]
Instead of trying to screw THEIR CUSTOMERS over, do you think they were possibly just trying to innovate? Everybody instantly flipped out as soon as the notion of change was heard.
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#145 to #27 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
No, it's different:
Someone say that will punch your face and then you answer NO so he accepts and everybody is happy
User avatar #131 to #27 - reretzu (08/25/2013) [-]
They didn't try to **** gamers over, they tried something different, it didn't work out so they changed it. Your analogy doesn't work either, as these things never actually affected you since they were all changed before launch, and again, they were different, not bad.

It'd be more like having a girlfriend who says you should try out bondage, then you say no, because it's not your thing, and she says okay, would that really justify being pissed of at said girlfriend and immediately breaking up, for simply proposing bondage?

That's a rhetorical question, of course it doesn't.
#59 to #27 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
I saw that theres a version of the xbox one coming out that doesnt have the kinect and $100 less, hopefully its true because the kinect would just go in the garbage for me now that it doesnt have to be connected

Imaybeafanboy
User avatar #96 to #59 - drunkasaurus (08/25/2013) [-]
That's definitely incorrect. MS has said multiple times that they won't be selling an Xbox 1 without Kinect. the director of programming said it as recently as last week in an interview.
#52 to #27 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
If you never heard anything about all the Xbox one bs when it was announced and only about the stuff that it has now, which console (not pc) would you pick?

Honestly i have always been a huge Xbox fan, mostly for the exclusives and the once better community(back before the 12 year olds..), and this console does seem to be pretty amazing. So Im still for Xbox. Maybe my choice will change after I get the chance to play them though.
#37 - resbiansrock (08/25/2013) [-]
Wow. That was just stupid.
Wow. That was just stupid.
User avatar #111 - drunkasaurus (08/25/2013) [-]
I'm excited for Xbox One. MS built a giant server farm for cloud processing, game save storage, and online multiplayer. The Forza 5 team claimed it offered a 600% processing boost to AI. Sony, is not a very wealthy company. As in: they could not afford to build a server farm for PS4, and are staying with the borderline ********* farm from PS3. MS have a much better track record when it comes to infrastructure and software development. Already the OS for X1 looks much more impressive and innovative than the PS4, and that's just from the little we've seen.
User avatar #133 to #111 - slugnugget (08/25/2013) [-]
Enjoy your server farm full of children who got the Xbox for christmas.

Everyone else will be on PS4.
User avatar #137 to #133 - drunkasaurus (08/25/2013) [-]
Considering the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One two to one, it desn't have a "scary" camera, and it's $100 less, not to mention the fact that this site (which is basically a bunch of glorified 12 year olds) sucks PS4 dick 24/7... I think you'll be the one enjoying the server farm full of children. Go on any reputable tech community site populated by adults (Arstechnica, Slashdot, even Engadget) and you'll see the majority of those people have come to the same conclusion as myself.
User avatar #140 to #137 - slugnugget (08/25/2013) [-]
I am a member of Techzone, /g/, gadgethammer, pcadvisor and many game orientated forums.

I say you're lying or blind.

And just doing some research on the new server farm has lead me to believe its far less impressive than you make it sound.
User avatar #144 to #140 - drunkasaurus (08/25/2013) [-]
www.engadget.com/2013/08/01/xbox-one-cloud-servers-deliver-600-percent-extra-ai-processing-p/

Gamer oriented forums are part of the problem because they spread FUD while astroturfing for PS4 as a result of rabid fanboyism. I said go to a tech community because they usually have unbiased opinions and consider more than trade show presentations when making a decision about a product. I'm not gonna fight with you, but I'm about 90% sure that X1 is going to be the better platform. On the one hand you have a multi-billion dollar software company that powers over 90% of the world's computers, and on the other hand we have Sony, who can barely produce a properly functioning smart-phone with a coherent UI. That isn't even mentioning that disaster that is the XMB interface on PS3 and the general software shortcoming and security holes compared to the 360. PS3 users had their data stolen and were locked out of PSN for how many months again?
User avatar #166 to #144 - austinmb **User deleted account** (08/25/2013) [-]
now if microsoft hired you at e3 then the xbox would be the preferred console
User avatar #154 to #144 - slugnugget (08/25/2013) [-]
I understand that its a nice addition but its hardly worth switching platforms over.

You act like Xbox has never been hacked. PS3 Online was free. You think if they had charged fees they would have plenty of money for better security.

None of my friends are friends of theirs are buying an Xbox One. Few people like you are going to buy it on a hunch that it'll be the better console. But servers hardly matter when theirs no one online apart from kids and a few technological extremists.

And I think you're missing the biggest points of sale. A general hated has grown towards Xbox as well as the PS4 being the cheaper system.

#230 to #154 - lordraine (08/25/2013) [-]
Shh. Just leave him to his delusions. It'll be funny to look back on his "90% certainty" two years from now, when everyone is playing the PS4 and the WiiU.
#120 to #111 - drunkasaurus (08/25/2013) [-]
Oh wow. Have my negative thumbs begun so soon? Fancy that.
#289 - CatholicPriest (08/25/2013) [-]
Xbox
Pro: Halo (If you like halo)

PlayStation
Pro: God of War (Who doesn't like god of war Srsly)

Each system has awesome games so buy the console that plays all your favorite games (or if your rich enough, get both) I know this won't end the Jihad between the Console Races Why bother to use the energy dissing the opposing side when you can play your dam games.

I will accept your green or red thumbs, i just feel like getting that out there
User avatar #311 to #289 - nousernamefound (08/26/2013) [-]
accept my green thumb
User avatar #303 to #289 - taintedangel (08/25/2013) [-]
Think of it like this: one tried to destroy the concept of ownership and the other didn't. I'm pretty sure that decides the entire Xbox vs. Playstation war.
User avatar #267 - itachiuchiham (08/25/2013) [-]
And like always Mickey mouse shows up out of nowhere
User avatar #91 - dapape (08/25/2013) [-]
We'll see what happens when the consoles are actually out.
#271 - headboomshot (08/25/2013) [-]
get excited
User avatar #278 to #271 - LegititmateKyle (08/25/2013) [-]
I'm so hype
#65 - Rascal (08/25/2013) [-]
Just a little thing for everyone who keeps complaining about the XBOX One.

Bandwagons be bandwagoning.

www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement
#11 - jayzoo (08/25/2013) [-]
BBQ Sauce with a DLC extra of 9.99$
User avatar #14 to #11 - mrhotwings (08/25/2013) [-]
***** you're supposed to say that when it's a post of E.A. because everyone should know by now that E.A. (You need to buy dlc worth $9.98 for the rest of this sentence)
#17 to #14 - jayzoo (08/25/2013) [-]
So great i paid $9.98 for this Sh*t (Swear word DLC for $5.99) and i want my money back.
User avatar #18 to #17 - mrhotwings (08/25/2013) [-]
Sorry but if you want a refund you need the "Silver Refund Pack" for $19.98 for half of your money back and the "Gold Refund Pack" for $29.98 for a full refund.
#21 to #18 - jayzoo (08/25/2013) [-]
That sounds like a great deal.
It was a pleasure to make business with you.
User avatar #24 to #21 - mrhotwings (08/25/2013) [-]
It was more of a pleasure dealing with you my good sir, and goddamn I should become an E.A. employee.
#25 to #24 - jayzoo (08/25/2013) [-]
true words
but i guess the application DLC for E.A. is too expensive
User avatar #273 - jesussphere (08/25/2013) [-]
How the hell does this get top post, 3 months after it is relevant?
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