Storage Evolution. .. Cloud storage still uses a physical medium
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User avatar #7 - dorner (08/22/2013) [-]
Cloud storage still uses a physical medium
#26 to #7 - thatonecommunist ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
...thecloudisphysical...
#64 to #26 - Rascal (08/23/2013) [-]
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure if this is a reference or something.
#31 to #26 - Rascal (08/23/2013) [-]
You're retarded. Either you just restated what dorner said, or you just went full retard.
Maybe both. So which one is it?
#99 to #31 - thatonecommunist ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
No, I was stating that the cloud is a physical object.

It's not like it isn't matter or anything.

I understand that it's actually just a bunch of hdd's and **** .
#90 to #7 - Rascal (08/23/2013) [-]
I think it might be talking about what the user has on hand
User avatar #8 to #7 - largeheadphones (08/23/2013) [-]
No, it is like stored over the wifi right?
User avatar #22 to #8 - kingxddd (08/23/2013) [-]
What the **** ?
User avatar #27 to #22 - coolcalx (08/23/2013) [-]
pretty sure he was kidding.
User avatar #29 to #27 - largeheadphones (08/23/2013) [-]
Not sure if i was a good troll or a bad troll...It was my first time...
#30 to #29 - coolcalx (08/23/2013) [-]
next time, include a "derp" picture with your comment. that helps
User avatar #108 to #30 - largeheadphones (08/23/2013) [-]
Ok, thanks
#21 to #8 - Rascal (08/23/2013) [-]
Go to your room.

Also no.
#102 to #7 - Rascal (08/23/2013) [-]
cloud storage is somthing been using for years it nothing new how do oyu think you get files from one computer to another using the internat ?
User avatar #103 to #102 - dorner (08/23/2013) [-]
Through servers, I'm pretty sure cloud storage is just another name for FTP storage, has been around since the beginning of the internet
User avatar #11 to #7 - dracomancer (08/23/2013) [-]
But I want to believe...
#47 to #25 - skiskate (08/23/2013) [-]
I predict many thumbs
User avatar #48 to #47 - xdeathspawnx (08/23/2013) [-]
wow skiskate accepts my friend request and then replies to 2 of my comments all within a couple hours. It must be my lucky day.
#49 to #48 - skiskate (08/23/2013) [-]
I just try to be nice
I just try to be nice
User avatar #23 - iamnuff (08/23/2013) [-]
the problem with cloud is that it puts your data in the hands of other people, and you have to rely on them not to lose/delete it.

if i drop my external HD in a pot of coffee and lose my data, thats on me.

if i smash my xbox harddrive, thats on me.


if my cloud storage decides to delete my **** because they decide it doesn't suit their terms and conditions, or just outright lose my data, then thats on them.

not to mention, the second you lose internet access (away from home, poor service, ect) suddenly that data is out of your reach.


pass, i'll stick with my harddrives, if its all the same to you.
User avatar #55 to #23 - dmkstarstar (08/23/2013) [-]
I couldn't agree more
#74 to #23 - billybong (08/23/2013) [-]
What if I told you that it's not that difficult to set up your own "cloud" storage. All you need is a computer you don't mind leaving on, as many hdd's as you want, and an Internet connection.

First step, sign up for Dyndns and set it up in your router. It's a service that lets you access your home network from a URL eg You need to login to view this link

Then set up network shares on said computer.. You can do it using windows, but I find operating systems like FreeNAS or OpenFiler to be much easier to set up. Those two also let you do other cool things with the server, such as FTP, web hosting, and DLNA media sharing for streaming music and videos. They also will let you combine the storage of multiple disks into one big disk (known as RAID)

You don't even need to use a computer, there are plenty of NAS's that will do the job really well (but they can be expensive)

Forward ports to the server in your router's settings for things you want to access from outside of your own network, Eg port 21 if you want FTP, port 80 if you wanted to host a website, etc

Enjoy your own cloud storage, under your own control, located in your own home. I know it probably sounds difficult/expensive, but it has been pretty convenient for me and worth the 3-4 hours of setup & research time it took.

<One of my storage servers, soon to have 12TB running FreeNAS
User avatar #105 to #74 - iamnuff (08/23/2013) [-]
or... i could just take the computer for my personal use, and then store all the data on the numerous harddrives, then not bother with the rest of it?
User avatar #84 to #74 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
I think the point of cloud storage is to keep files safe to be downloaded from anywhere.

Housefire and mass waterdamage isnt going to ruin your important files even with your home server.
User avatar #85 to #84 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
*is
User avatar #96 to #84 - billybong (08/23/2013) [-]
Besides, iamnuff's point was not to allow a company to control your data. If your data is that valuable to you that you don't want someone else holding on to it, then you should have your own backups regardless of whether you're using a company's "cloud" or not
User avatar #106 to #96 - iamnuff (08/23/2013) [-]
if you have local backups then why would you need cloud?

personally, i would probably use my local versions for everyday use, then have the cloud version as the backup copy.

I don't want to sound old fashioned, or paranoid, but half of the digital services that i use cut out right when i need them the most, or arbitrarily refuse me service until i get on the phone and yell at CS till they fix it.

did you hear about that guy who had about $500 worth of games in his steam libary, then they said the way he was gifting was against T&C and closed his account?

i mean, i do use steam, because its conviniant and cheaper, but i still feel a lot more comfortable with a hard-copy of the game, just knowing that someone sat in an office at steamworks HQ can take away all my games (that i paid for!) with the click of a mouse is pretty infuriating.

not to mention, my IP is kinda shoddy.

most of the time it works ok, but sometimes i get terrible slowdown, and sometimes it cuts out for hours at a time.

if i want to play a game, or listen to some music, then it needs to be locally stored, or i'm ******* stuck aren't I?
User avatar #112 to #106 - billybong (08/25/2013) [-]
I forgot to address this question. "if you have local backups then why would you need cloud?". Keep in mind that a backup should be offline and stored in a safe place, and therefore will be inconvenient to access, should you need it. Anything else is technically just a duplicate and not a backup.

Well, the only purpose of using a "cloud" service is to get access to your files from locations apart from your home.... unless you plan on taking all of your backups with you wherever you go just in case you want a particular file, you might want to use a cloud storage service for that reason, be it your own as I've been describing, or a service like DropBox.
User avatar #111 to #106 - billybong (08/25/2013) [-]
I ran out of room, but I'll properly explain my setup for you.

All, games/programs are locally installed on my desktops and laptops that I need.
All of my downloaded/recorded media is located on a fileserver (in my own home, Ie Locally stored) so it can be streamed to any computer in the house that needs it.

Now because I've done the port forwarding to the Internet and the DynDNS setup, those files are also accessible when I'm away from home via any Internet connection (Eg, university or work's Internet connection for me)

It's still your storage, on your server, under your control. But it's stored in a way that gives everyone in your home access to the files as needed as well as access over the net, which is all a "cloud" really is in it's barest essence. If you have multiple disks, the server can also combine them into RAID to provide redundancy should one of the disks ever fail. Meaning you won't loose anything if set up right. (Note, that redundancy =/= backup, a backup is offline, and offsite)

The server also does my torrent downloads for me, freeing up the net connection during the daytime, but that's just another convenient feature of running a computer 24/7.

Sure, it's more effort than most people can be bothered with, but It is how you get around the problem of having cloud storage controlled by someone else.

But as for your IP (I guess you mean your Internet connection) Well, if it's flakey then It's probably not suited for hosting your own cloud. (You should probably take the time to fix your net connection, that **** shouldn't drop out)
User avatar #110 to #106 - billybong (08/25/2013) [-]
Well, games and apps always need to be locally installed (That's a given), unless you like downloading the whole program/game every time you run it. But as for music, that can be streamed over the Internet from your own Internet connection (provided you have enough bandwidth), or inside your own network can be streamed very easily. Videos are much harder to stream over the net, but I stream HD videos from my fileserver to a Raspberry PI connected to my TV. You can't tell me copying files to an external drive, then plugging it in is more convenient than just streaming over Wi-Fi or Ethernet.

Backups are (should be) offline, so If it's a tape or HDD, it's sitting on a shelf, and disconnected. (I don't have to do that, because I usually have a copy on my laptop, and any data on my servers is in RAID 1 or 5 to give disk failure redundancy) But it've found it convenient to be able .. say, "I need a file, It's on my fileserver at home which is connected to the net. I'll just log in and download it, instead of being unable to continue working."

I still think a single server that can store a library of music, videos, downloads, program installers, documents, etc in a single network location, that can be accessible from the net, is pretty frickin convenient, and is definitely worth the time and effort, especially in a family that all wants access to the same files (Downloaded movies and music in my case).

I'm not saying it's for everyone, but having your own fileserver accessible from the net will perform the function of a storage cloud, and is still under your complete control. Which is the concern you brought up in your first post. Take it or leave it.

I don't understand the relevance of mentioning steam, since it's a service where you are controlled by someone else.

Also, regarding the guy who got his steam account deleted, he must have been doing something pretty dodgy for them to do that. But I don't know, I haven't heard about that particular incident.
User avatar #89 to #84 - billybong (08/23/2013) [-]
The reason you set up DynDns is so that you can access your files anywhere while you aren't at home, using a URL similar to the one I mentioned. (Perhaps I didn't explain that well enough)

Just today I downloaded some documents (I forgot to bring them to uni) directly on to my phone over 3G from my 1tb Fileserver.

Also, all of my files are reasonably safe from hacking since I force SSL for any external connections. And as far as natural disasters go, the two servers aren't that big to carry should there be a fire or something along those lines. But that's my situation, I can't guarantee it could be as convenient, should a disaster happen, for anyone else who hasn't planned ahead.
User avatar #83 to #23 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
Do you trust facebook with your photos.

Do you trust youtube with your videos.

The companies are good at what they do.

Especially dropbox.

You should consider using them to save important files.
User avatar #104 to #83 - iamnuff (08/23/2013) [-]
no no and yes.


I use dropbox, but only for unimportant things.

Youtube isn't video storage, its video SHARING.

its pretty ******* hard to share something that's sitting on your hard-drive.

than said, Youtube has a bad habit of banning videos for pretty much no reason, so if i DID upload anything, i'd have copies backed up incase i need them again.


and no, i don't upload anything to facebook.
User avatar #62 - kiratheunholy ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
Since when? Hard disks are the now and will be for awhile, why switch over to cloud space? There's (albeit rare) downtimes, network issues, and if the company hosting your cloud ever goes bankrupt or out of business then you're out of luck.

TL-DR: Cloud is unreliable.
#53 - deadmuerto (08/23/2013) [-]
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#32 - Mastaforga (08/23/2013) [-]
<My thoughts on the cloud
I'll just stick to my 4TB externals
User avatar #81 to #32 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
Back up important files on the cloud.

Housefires and water damage equal death to important documents.
User avatar #93 to #81 - Mastaforga (08/23/2013) [-]
That why I don't set my house on fire... Where I live there is no chance of flood
User avatar #97 to #93 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
because people set their house on fire on purpose.

User avatar #68 - monsquaz (08/23/2013) [-]
Not to mention the snoop dogg changing his name to snoop lion, the NSA with the private data intercepting and insecurity.
#13 - infinitereaper ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
"And like our technology before us, humanity evolved in clouds, and so it was, and so humanities heads were always in the clouds, with the space above us, and our feet below us."

-The Teachings of Waht, Verse 2.3, line 42
User avatar #6 - chaossniper (08/22/2013) [-]
i don't use cloud to save stuff idk i like to stick to my usb drive
User avatar #9 to #6 - largeheadphones (08/23/2013) [-]
Same, I prefer physical memory thingys.
User avatar #12 to #9 - rampaginphoenix (08/23/2013) [-]
Cloud is physical memory, just in a different location. It is like a large hard drive every one uses.
User avatar #28 to #12 - largeheadphones (08/23/2013) [-]
As iamnuff said, I prefer things I can hold in my hand
User avatar #24 to #12 - iamnuff (08/23/2013) [-]
physical, sure, physically present? no.

just because its stored on a big drive somewhere half a world away does not make it as conviniant as using something that you can access locally without needing access to the cloud server, or even internet access for that matter.
#76 - josieabby (08/23/2013) [-]
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about Cloud yet.
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about Cloud yet.
User avatar #78 to #76 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
Well you're already using it somewhat by keeping all those pictures on facebook.
User avatar #82 to #78 - josieabby (08/23/2013) [-]
I don't have a facebook. Is there another way that I am accidentally using it? I'm curious. Please pardon my ignorance.
User avatar #86 to #82 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
Oh gee im sorry. I assumed you was like the majority of the population.

anyway just use the same example for youtube, emails and I dont know... funnyjunk?
#87 to #86 - josieabby (08/23/2013) [-]
Thanks for the reply and the info.
User avatar #88 to #87 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
im just saying cloud storage should really be your main souce of storage at the moment. But its definitely a good place to keep importnat files safe in case of a house fire or damage to the HDD.
User avatar #33 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
I doubt cloud storage will be as big as people expect it to be.
Theres still the issue of access. And space.
I prefer my Solid State external hard drive, along with my Hard Disc internal hard drives.
User avatar #63 to #33 - urfunnyman (08/23/2013) [-]
I too prefer a external hard drive preferably a 2 TB
User avatar #80 to #33 - slugnugget (08/23/2013) [-]
It already is. People have half a decade worth of photos saved on facebook.

Dropboxer is getting more popular than ever.

Its a good place to keep important documents.
User avatar #50 to #33 - tacogrenade (08/23/2013) [-]
Cool story bro
User avatar #34 to #33 - dedaluminus (08/23/2013) [-]
That sounds...backwards. Wouldn't it be better to have a solid state internal drive which is faster for the files you use all the time and a hard disc external drive for files you don't use all the time?
User avatar #36 to #34 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
I need less space on an external drive, because those are rarely if ever programs that I intent to keep on the drive. Because solid state is still so expensive, and even more so as the space gets bigger, I can only afford up to an approx 300 gig solid state, which can range from 500 to 1000 USD.
Where as I can get a 2 terabyte hard disc for like, 150 USD.
I have not found any need to get an internal SSD, because I simply don't need high transfer rates. I got the SSD external for added security, and because I wanted to see what the SSD was all about, and if it was worth my investment.
#73 to #36 - billybong (08/23/2013) [-]
If you did it right, the SSD would be your boot drive, making your OS (Presumably windows) and any installed programs start almost instantly. Then you have a 2nd internal magnetic disk drive for data. (Note that you need to reinstall windows, as duplicating a magnetic disk to an SSD usually has massive performance issues)

Even if you have it connected by USB 3 or eSATA you still cant use the full speed of the SSD, and end up wasting the potential of your expensive purchase.

But I guess having a dropproof external drive is nice.... I'd prefer to pay 1/4 of the price for 12 times or more storage and not drop it.

By the way, I was reading the rest of your thread with dedaluminus, and as much as I love old storage nostalgia; You gaise need to get on my level for obscure storage mediums, RAMdisks are where it's at
User avatar #37 to #36 - dedaluminus (08/23/2013) [-]
I do all my external storage on zip disks, just to **** with tech support's head.
User avatar #38 to #37 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
You use floppy discs? I was unaware that modern computers even had the codecs required for floppys. My desktop PC has a floppy drive that I attempted to use, but Windows 7 was... reluctant to accept the drive.
In other words, Windows Defender yelled at me for 5 minutes and then the PC went into sleep mode to protect its system files.
Granted, the floppy had been formatted so many times it had like 1 mb of space in it and I think there was a trojan or two in that 1 mb
User avatar #39 to #38 - dedaluminus (08/23/2013) [-]
Oh no. No no no. That would be too simple, tech support at my company is used to dealing with floppy drives. Zip disk. A proprietary 100mb disk drive that disappeared a while ago. I've got dozens of them. Usually I do things properly when dealing with tech support, but there's a couple guys there that are total dickasses. So when they ask for a copy of the program, I mail them a zip disk. Copy of a bug report? Text file, on a zipdisk. Screenshot? Take a screenshot, flip it upside down, put it on a zip disk, mail it.
User avatar #41 to #39 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
Oh my god I remember those. I forgot about them, and assumed you mean floppys. Most people do. Or thumb drives, but those **** with nobodys head anymore.
Zip discs were amazing.
I actually want a few. I have a reader for them in my basement, but all the discs are gone.
I could hide porn on there and nobody would be able to "accidentally" snoop through my external drives (Of which I have many. Too many) and then judge me
User avatar #42 to #41 - dedaluminus (08/23/2013) [-]
My short-term goal in life right now is to send those assholes in tech support a file they ask for...on a laserdisc.
User avatar #43 to #42 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
Omg I had a science teacher who used laserdiscs because thats what all the scientific movies we watched were on. He even had one of the first Macs (INB4 eew Mac) in the back of his office.
My goal this year is to send my asshole techhead uncle one of the files he asks me to torrent for him on a cassette. Thats the one format (other than punch cards) that he can't interpret
User avatar #44 to #43 - dedaluminus (08/23/2013) [-]
I love strange storage mediums. They're like having souveneirs from a war that other people never heard of.
User avatar #45 to #44 - howunexpected (08/23/2013) [-]
My goal in life is to create the strangest and most nonsensical computer storage medium ever.
I once thought about making a drive that read notches on a steel rod. The depth, wideness, and space between the notches would characterize the data.
I also, jokingly, made up a variation that used the wear and tear, and also chemical residue on a dildo.
I was sent out of computer technology class for that one.
User avatar #1 - sparkyoneonetwo (08/22/2013) [-]
According to this I think it is safe to say humans next step in evaluation wil be to grow wings.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - sparkyoneonetwo (08/22/2013) [-]
I wish I could grow a tail....
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#5 to #4 - sparkyoneonetwo (08/22/2013) [-]
probably the closest I'll ever get.
User avatar #10 to #5 - largeheadphones (08/23/2013) [-]
I wish I could grow a vagina on my hand.
#67 to #10 - macabrealucard (08/23/2013) [-]
That's the smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say about anything
#92 to #10 - sparkyoneonetwo (08/23/2013) [-]
just think how gross high fives could be.
#19 to #1 - Rascal (08/23/2013) [-]
I don't honestly believe humans are evolving in a positive direction anymore... Not from what we've been seeing in newer generations.
User avatar #54 to #19 - ilovehitler (08/23/2013) [-]
You act as if social norms which change each generation is evolution.
#65 - shugudugs (08/23/2013) [-]
Mega master race reporting in
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#101 to #91 - fishpiee (08/23/2013) [-]
Thumbed for the effort.
User avatar #14 - franger (08/23/2013) [-]
I don't like using cloud storage. Having my documents and files on something physical that I can carry around, give to someone, or hide somwhere, is easier and makes me feel better.
User avatar #100 - mcquiston (08/23/2013) [-]
I'm not entirely convinced on cloud storage as of yet, but in about 5 10 years i won't really have a choice.
#95 - KRIPTON (08/23/2013) [-]
UNLIMITED POWER!!!     (how Microsoft sees its cloud system.)
UNLIMITED POWER!!! (how Microsoft sees its cloud system.)
#75 - lordraine ONLINE (08/23/2013) [-]
I would give you a gigglingwhores.gif for trusting cloud storage for anything important, but I don't have one, because I stored it on cloud.
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