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User avatar #19 - raeptiemx (08/16/2013) [-]
What if your job is an assassin and it's Sabbath and you see your friend working so you have to kill this ************ but then you are working so...what do?
User avatar #49 to #19 - akhar (08/17/2013) [-]
Even if your job is that of an assassin, it's not like you get payed to kill people you see. It's generally to kill those who you're contracted to kill.
User avatar #22 to #19 - duskmane ONLINE (08/17/2013) [-]
Wait a day.
User avatar #9 - shibe (08/16/2013) [-]
This is retarded.

"violence cleanses evil", I don't think it means torture. I think it means something like punishing your child when he does wrong.

Then again I'm likely to be wrong. But this is just what I think.
User avatar #33 to #9 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Most opinions are frowned upon on the internet, congratulations. You have earned some thumbs from this.
#70 to #9 - sanepane (08/17/2013) [-]
Proverbs 20:30
New International Version (NIV)
30 "Blows and wounds scrub away evil,
and beatings purge the inmost being."

Direct quote.
User avatar #87 to #70 - shibe (08/17/2013) [-]
Again not torture.

Torture is like locking someone up to a chair and stabbing them with a knife but quickly closing the wound (if closing the wound would still keep him alive anyways, I'm not sure that would work) . You just keep doing it and doing it over and over.

Beating someone can still just be like a spanking. Parents spank their childs all the time because they are misbehaving. They don't wanna be spanked so they don't do wrong.
User avatar #26 to #9 - lordgeneral (08/17/2013) [-]
nope, it means torturing is a-okay. as long as the church is dandy with it.
#67 - mikepetru (08/17/2013) [-]
Notice how much of the stuff in the Bible is written by people who ARE NOT God.
In the 2,000+ years that Christianity/Judaism has existed, the Bible has passed between many hands. Whatever teachings God may have bestowed upon humanity (if you so believe it) have either been lost, paraphrased, or altered based on the writers' principles as is probable in the case above.

tldr Don't blame God for the words of men.
User avatar #69 to #67 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
The Bible was written for man, not God, So regardless of context the message is there. Short version of the Bible, "be nice to other people and believe in the One God. Also that his son(himself in part) died for your transgressions and one day "I'll be back" to gather my loyal believers."
User avatar #68 to #67 - Bubmaster (08/17/2013) [-]
Yes, but God chose to convey his message through men that he knew were flawed, therefore it's his fault.
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User avatar #72 to #68 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
I laughed for a good minute, blaming God for his message being flawed. Thank you so much. But there is an counter to that, God gave man the choice. So it is not his, but mans fault, and ultimately the devils fault for persuading eve and adam. So deflecting blame is out of the question here. But I like what you did. "It was in his plan"- paraphrasing.
User avatar #90 to #72 - Bubmaster (08/19/2013) [-]
If God is all knowing, then he knows the future. Therefore, he knew that giving man choice would result in him being flawed. So, in other words, God would have created man well knowing that he would defy him and that he would have to burn them for eternity.
User avatar #91 to #90 - kalima (08/19/2013) [-]
God is a douche bag. This has been established.
#52 - lasting (08/17/2013) [-]
User avatar #8 - totalcookie (08/16/2013) [-]
I'm pretty sure at least some of them are fake.
User avatar #50 to #8 - chaosnazo (08/17/2013) [-]
Then check and see if they are
User avatar #20 to #8 - kalima (08/16/2013) [-]
What is fake? Explain.
User avatar #1 - pwnedomega (08/16/2013) [-]
Lol its a god thing I follow my Torah less hypocritically than Christians
#2 to #1 - kalima (08/16/2013) [-]
I've not yet read the Torah. Going to though. You admit it is hypocritical though?
I've not yet read the Torah. Going to though. You admit it is hypocritical though?
User avatar #3 to #2 - pwnedomega (08/16/2013) [-]
Some portions, considering its not one book, but rather compilation of multiple books with multiple authors. Its like handing dr seuss, david tennet and shamalan blank papers and telling them to write a coherent storyline without meeting eachother and living 50+ years apart
#4 to #3 - kalima (08/16/2013) [-]
^gif relevant^ Both the Qur'an and Torah has fewer "Interpretations" than the bible, so in my opinion they are more reliable. Side note- I like how in your original post it says "its a god thing" instead of good.
^gif relevant^ Both the Qur'an and Torah has fewer "Interpretations" than the bible, so in my opinion they are more reliable. Side note- I like how in your original post it says "its a god thing" instead of good.
User avatar #5 to #4 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
there is only one version of the Qur'an
many Interpretations but one version
they are only there for when you don't understand a verse from the Qur'an
User avatar #6 to #5 - kalima (08/16/2013) [-]
You see my point though, I couldn't think of the correct combination of words to get it out correctly.
User avatar #7 to #6 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
yeah the christians got six to my knowledge different but similar books roaming free you just choose what fits you
#10 to #7 - SimianLich (08/16/2013) [-]
I've read all three books and I can say for certain that they are all the same.
User avatar #11 to #10 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
torat,bible,quran?
#12 to #11 - SimianLich (08/16/2013) [-]
Yes those three.
User avatar #13 to #12 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
in english?
#14 to #13 - SimianLich (08/16/2013) [-]
In olde English
User avatar #15 to #14 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
any non arabic version of the quran are interpretation of it, not the real deal

Arabic gets butchered in translations
#16 to #15 - SimianLich (08/16/2013) [-]
The content is the same, regardless of poor translations.
User avatar #17 to #16 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
not necessarily
www.newstatesman.com/node/148628
and it loses the poetic beauty of the verses
the verses become to-the-point commands in english
but in arabic it makes you figure it out as it goes smoother reading in other words
also www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ihf_oPvlg
#18 to #17 - SimianLich (08/16/2013) [-]
Yes, some of the verse poetry is lost but the CONTENT of the text is still the same as the Torah and the Bible. They are the same.
User avatar #21 to #18 - qosfortyone (08/16/2013) [-]
sorry for misunderstanding your previous comment sorry for the long wait went to have dinner

islamic view the content is the same because the three books were sent by Allah to the prophets moses, jesus, mohammed.
while the christians crowned jesus as the god almighty and worshipped the messenger instead of the sender and altered the bible as such and jews killed off every messenger after moses and adjusted the torat to suit their desires,
the muslim couldn't, because the poetry of the book exposed any alteration done to the holy book
so they messed with the second best thing to make profit out of religion; the interpretations
they are all similar indeed but altered in a subtle way to achieve profit. to each their own
but the torat didn't get altered as much as the bible, hence the few similar things between the jews and the muslims E.g. circumcision & pork useful charts www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm
#85 to #21 - SimianLich (08/17/2013) [-]
I feel like you're speaking from a biased viewpoint. I have found that the only difference between the books is how the laws are interpreted. Its why I don't follow any of them.
User avatar #86 to #85 - qosfortyone (08/17/2013) [-]
this is from the perspective of islam
just search for the other two perspectives for your answer
#23 - mrvindix (08/17/2013) [-]
What if I told you that most of these passages aren't to be taken literally?
User avatar #24 to #23 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
I would agree. Fits in along with Ezekial 23 19-20, can't take the bible too seriously.
User avatar #29 to #23 - LaBarata (08/17/2013) [-]
Uh... Looking at a lot of these, they seem pretty ******* literal, dude. Like, the deutoronomy one. It straight up says 'Kill both of these ************* . Kill this one because of this, kill that one because of that'. There's not exactly a lot of room for interpretation there...
User avatar #30 to #23 - threadz (08/17/2013) [-]
Even so, why are they still in there?
User avatar #27 to #23 - revanmal (08/17/2013) [-]
I would say, why do you take some passages literally and not others? What conditions must be met for you to decide a verse is worth following?
User avatar #37 to #27 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Best response ever.
#71 to #27 - thecommittee (08/17/2013) [-]
I would tell you that ones faith is there own.
User avatar #82 to #71 - revanmal (08/17/2013) [-]
Then I would posit that one's morality is a self-determined thing, no matter what a book might tell you to believe. Ever since Christianity (and in fact, probably all religions) became a widespread phenomenon, people have been ignoring or reinterpreting the teachings of their forebears to fit what THEY thought was proper. Interracial marriage, tattoos, modern grooming, -wearing clothes of two different materials-, all eventually became widely accepted in spite of the Bible, not because of its teachings.

We humans determine what is right and wrong through consensus and compromise, not an old book.
#84 to #82 - thecommittee (08/17/2013) [-]
I cant tell if that was agreeing with me or not. because I am saying that people will chose to interpret the bible on an individual basis. We humans determine things not only by ourselves but based off of external stimuli and ideas.
#65 to #27 - bobbysilk (08/17/2013) [-]
What if I told you that the only laws that directly apply to us now are the ones that apply to both Jews and Gentiles, not just Jews (hence why some rules aren't followed and some are). And even then, following the laws or not doesn't determine whether or not someone gets to heaven or finds favor with God or whatever.

not trying to start a ********* but there are reasons
#61 to #27 - mrvindix (08/17/2013) [-]
Honestly I am not one to say. I'm not going to pretend I know the truth about something like this despite me being Catholic I have not read the entire Bible thoroughly or pretend to know something that you don't so I'm not going to pull things out of my ass. I just mean to say is in what I have read it often uses harsh wording to get a point across and if it tells you something that seems out of the whole peace and love idea there is more to it. Anyway you ask a good question but I can't pretend to know the answers. I'm only human
#35 - habasparkz (08/17/2013) [-]
I think, that something, somewhere, created the big bang, or something like it. Whether if it's a super evolved race, a "god", or just a explosion that came from no where. That is what made us. I do not call myself an atheist. I do not bash other peoples religion. By all means believe what you want to. I'm guessing within about 100 years all religion will be dead, and maybe we can achieve peace. Until then, wars will rage, hate will spread, and possibly the end of the world as we know it. Those are my views. I'm ready to get raped by red thumbs.
I think, that something, somewhere, created the big bang, or something like it. Whether if it's a super evolved race, a "god", or just a explosion that came from no where. That is what made us. I do not call myself an atheist. I do not bash other peoples religion. By all means believe what you want to. I'm guessing within about 100 years all religion will be dead, and maybe we can achieve peace. Until then, wars will rage, hate will spread, and possibly the end of the world as we know it. Those are my views. I'm ready to get raped by red thumbs.
User avatar #45 to #35 - chaosnazo (08/17/2013) [-]
Carl Sagan on "God" and "gods"
User avatar #88 to #35 - metalmind (08/18/2013) [-]
It's alright to believe what you want to.
But it wasn't so much an exoplosion from nowhere, that is not what the big bang theory says.
It was an expansion event from a singularity, not from nowhere.

Plus String Theory can explain a lot of it, and how our universe exists, read into it,
Plus when you say "super evolved race" you have the infinite regression problem, since this evolved race would have to have come about in a reality that supports life like we know it where different life forms compete for finite resources in order to survive. So you would need a Universe so similar to ours, with very similar conditions to ours.
And then you again have the problem how this universe came to be.
Just saying.
But even if science can eventually give an absolutely flawless account how everything occured, and not just how almost everything occured like it can now, we can never be certain.
User avatar #89 to #88 - habasparkz (08/18/2013) [-]
You know I never could get a hold on string theory. I've seen things about it but never looked into it. I'll check it out. Morgan Freeman here I come.
#36 to #35 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Everything gets thumbed up by me on my posts unless it contains a lot of swearing or the word "			****		."  IMO the English language is there to be used not butchered.
Everything gets thumbed up by me on my posts unless it contains a lot of swearing or the word " **** ." IMO the English language is there to be used not butchered.
#28 - spceinvdr (08/17/2013) [-]
yeah guys lets hate on religion! Athiests for the win! We showed those christians why they're wrong. Yeah! Let's be ******* obnoxious and never shut up about how we're athiests and how smart we all are!


******* kill youself, You guys are getting to be worse than vegetarians.

ie, how do you know someone's vegetarian? Don't worry, theyll ******* tell you.
#34 to #28 - habasparkz (08/17/2013) [-]
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User avatar #31 to #28 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Just because a post is anti-Christianity does not mean the poster is Atheist. You sir are a bigot.
User avatar #38 to #28 - demandsgayversion (08/17/2013) [-]
You raised a great point on why the post is incorrect. I love the parts where you explained in detail your views and your interpretation of them, even going so far as to cite sources. Your physical evidence was particularly moving as well.
User avatar #58 to #38 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
I wonder if he has a gay version to this argument....
"Yeah guys lets hat on gays! Straight for the win! We showed those gays why they're wrong. Yeah! Lets be ******* obnoxious and never shut up about their dickbutt and how vagina and penis were meant for each other.

******* kill yourself, you gays are worse than hippies.
ie, how do you know someones a hippie? They smell of weed and flowers......" If he didn't He does now.
#43 - edwardli (08/17/2013) [-]
Ya'll should just read the bible. Don't just base your facts on one verse. You must read the whole story/chapter.
User avatar #44 to #43 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
I have read the Bible I agree with you. Before someone opens their mouth for their opinion, they should be informed instead of blindly following... Like sheeple.
User avatar #47 to #44 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
exacly, like in everywhere, you can point only small things to use them for you opinion
User avatar #48 to #47 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Much like my penis. It is small and points everywhere exactly like you think it does Sir sheeple.
User avatar #51 to #48 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
yeah sure..
User avatar #54 to #51 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Regardless your opinion I am not a total douche. This is the internet and some people are fun to argue with. You are proving to be one of them.
User avatar #55 to #54 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
yeah i know
User avatar #60 to #55 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
I like how our conversation went from aggressive to friendly. I am amused.
User avatar #63 to #60 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
i'm amused to hehe
User avatar #25 - blackandgold (08/17/2013) [-]
this is why self-proclaimed devout christian girls crack me up. way back in those days, their opinion would've been different. it was man who granted them rights, not god or christ.
User avatar #32 to #25 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
They wouldnt have voiced their opinion lest they be stoned.
#83 - thetrojansbroke (08/17/2013) [-]
Clearly the person who made this only read one verse and make a judgement off of it. Instead of reading the whole thing and getting an understanding of the figurative statements.
#66 - ancientchaos (08/17/2013) [-]
oh boy here we go
User avatar #64 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
**kalima rolls 97** Well, I missed posting this at the appropriate time. I shall do it now. 69 thumbs woot.
User avatar #39 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
in the old testament rules were really more strict than after jesus
#73 to #39 - thetrojansbroke (08/17/2013) [-]
What most people don't know or don't seem to understand, is the situation of what was written at that time.
User avatar #74 to #73 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
thats kind of what i badly tried to explain with the other guy ^^ time there and time now is very different
#77 to #74 - thetrojansbroke (08/17/2013) [-]
see first of all what nobody understands is the circumstances the Israelites faced every day during these times. There are many figurative statements and literal statements such as ex of how the world is on a foundation as compared to jesus' statement on how God suspends the world in a void of nothing.
User avatar #40 to #39 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
So are you saying the Commandments are no longer void? As I see it it does mention Matthew 5 17-19... You're statement is invalid due to those verses in the Bible.
User avatar #41 to #40 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
yeah i know, but still, the punishments were really harsh and hard before , because we ''couldn't be saved''. when jesus came to save us, it kinda changed it
#42 to #41 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
So you are one of the sheep that follows and doesn't try to better their self for their self. Your grammar and punctuation definitely say a lot about you. That aside, it didn't kinda change. Think about it, the Roman culture wrote the Bible, and U.S. America was based off of the Roman society. Our laws are based off of theirs. Our country was founded on slavery, as was the Roman Empire. It is only within the last 160 that slavery stopped completely in the U.S. And only in the last 90 that women have been voting. This was all because of the Bible. People were still being stoned in the late 1800's in the Usa. I am assuming you are from a state of America because of your lack of proper communication.    
   
I could keep going but I think it will be wasted upon you.
So you are one of the sheep that follows and doesn't try to better their self for their self. Your grammar and punctuation definitely say a lot about you. That aside, it didn't kinda change. Think about it, the Roman culture wrote the Bible, and U.S. America was based off of the Roman society. Our laws are based off of theirs. Our country was founded on slavery, as was the Roman Empire. It is only within the last 160 that slavery stopped completely in the U.S. And only in the last 90 that women have been voting. This was all because of the Bible. People were still being stoned in the late 1800's in the Usa. I am assuming you are from a state of America because of your lack of proper communication.

I could keep going but I think it will be wasted upon you.
User avatar #46 to #42 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
I'm sorry? I'm not even from the US anyway... did i say that WE changed the way we see? i was referring more the the punishment thing and all the wars that God asked.
i never mentioned that we magically became less stupid just because of that..

by the way, writing fancy doesn't mean you're better, I'm french so yeah, I'm not quit perfect in English, and i assume I'm doing pretty good. insulting people doesn't really show that you got better communication neither heh.

i don't even see the point of writing that anyway , i think it will be wasted on you anyway
User avatar #53 to #46 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Depending on the insult it can prove better wit. Sorry for my bigotry, I usually assume bad grammar and punctuation means someone is from the "ghetto" or they are lazy and at times ignorant. For that I do apologize. Congratulations on the, assuming, bilingualism. My compliments aside. People are still ostracized for their actions, which in some cases can be worse than the punishments that were dealt in the Bible. The psychological damage from being banished from a group can be worse than death, maybe not the terror from stoning. Though it is easier to get over, you are branded by your group in your community and with the way the internet can transfer information can make it much worse. Out of curiosity are you Christian/Catholic or just debating for the thrill? (Many 'mericans are magically stupid... or act in ignorance) Your writing was not wasted I appreciate your willingness to complete or even just further the argument.
User avatar #57 to #53 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
yes i am christian, i might not know everything concerning that, but i try my best ^^

i hope you weren't one of those douche, thanks for proving me right

and yes i understand
User avatar #59 to #57 - kalima (08/17/2013) [-]
Since I cant read minds and also need some things spelled out for me, What kind of Douche did you think I was? (merely curious, not trying to argue or start a fight over an opinion*this time*)
User avatar #62 to #59 - darknak (08/17/2013) [-]
the kind of guy that just go out and insult people thinking he knows everything not like every stupid other people i guess, but it doesn't look like you one of those
 
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