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#10 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Oh wow, that guy is so cool and hardcore, thinking for himself like that and mocking people of different beliefs. She was OBVIOUSLY trying to convert him by giving him a cross

Not like she thought it would be a nice gift or anything. Or had sentimental value. Or just made her feel better even if he knew it didn't do a damn thing

But she's obviously just a stupid religious bitch and he's a genius Atheist who also happens to be funny and is probably very handsome

Go him
#158 to #10 - rainbowrush ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Giving someone the symbol for pain and suffering is not a very nice gift, wouldn't you agree?
#243 to #158 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
It's not a symbol of pain and suffering (from what I've gathered. I'm not christian so I honestly couldn't say), but I CAN say that whatever it symbolizes depends more on the christian than whatever part of christianity you follow
#331 to #243 - rainbowrush ONLINE
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(08/03/2013) [-]
The cross has symbolized suffering far longer than Christianity has been around. It was a form of torture, after all.
#39 to #10 - walhor ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Gee, what asshole planet are you from?
#77 to #39 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Apparently the one where offering someone something they don't like as a show of good will should be politely declined rather than made fun of.
#41 to #10 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Why not give her a pentagram and see how she likes it? It's the exact same thing. Trying to convert someone to believe in your imaginary friend is rude...
#76 to #41 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Except I wouldn't be trying to convert anybody. If I gave anyone a symbol of my faith it would be because they were interested/wanted one, than again I'm also not 91 years old. Nor is she trying to convert me

I like that, you say trying to convert someone to your specific form of thought is rude, yet you have no problem saying it's an imaginary friend and degrading it. Believe it or not, fundamental Atheists are just as, if not more annoying, than fundamental religious people
#71 to #10 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I agree with you. Guys like that are ******* losers. Who would treat their own family like that. Some people have no shame
#107 to #10 - fukkendragonite
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(08/02/2013) [-]
It's a funny joke. As long as he keeps the cross for the gift element of the whole thing it's fine. He doesn't have to convert, just keep the gift.
#120 to #107 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I'm not saying he does, I'm saying he could have handled it better considering she was probably giving it to him out of love and compassion, rather than a desire to convert or oppress him
#122 to #120 - fukkendragonite
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I thought the joke was funny though.
#123 to #122 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
As did I, but that doesn't change the fact it was in poor taste
#125 to #123 - fukkendragonite
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I didn't think it was in poor taste at all, I thought it was a harmless bit of fun that any christian with a sense of humour would have enjoyed. As long as he kept the gift, all is forgiven imo
#127 to #125 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Then we're faced with a disagreement. But that's alright.

The point is, I don't think you should freak out when someone does something out of kindness (provided their actions in itself are not malicious), and the dad being in on the joke only condones that kind of behavior. I honestly think it's funnier that if this situation was reversed, I.E. a christian making fun of and degrading the beliefs of an Atheist, funnyjunk would have its panties in such a tight knot it actually WOULD be 12 years old for aweek
#140 to #127 - fukkendragonite
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I would find both equally funny since I'm neither Christian nor an atheist. And I know what it's like to have my beliefs mocked since I have my own independent spiritualistic beliefs.

I don't think they freaked out because she was forcing her beliefs, it seemed to me that they saw a golden opportunity for a joke. I did a similar thing when I was handed a Gideon's bible by my school. I said "Do you mind if I give this back? It would only serve to corrupt my heathen image. And besides, I don't want to annoy my demon overlords". I took the bible anyway, because that **** has good advice sometimes, and I still have it. I just thought it would be a laugh. They laughed, I laughed. Harmless fun.
#143 to #140 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
And it would be harmless fun if the aunt took it as a joke, but she was obviously offended. I understand that the very nature of a joke means someone's probably gonna be offended and some people should grow a sense of humour, but it's still disrespectful. I make religious jokes too, including jokes about my own religion, but that's just because it's all in good fun and if it's not I make it up to whoever I offended by just being extra charming or nice to them; this guy, on the other hand, just seemed to want to make a big deal out of it and I get the feeling he wouldn't think it was too funny if someone made fun of his Atheism
#147 to #10 - wardylocks
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(08/02/2013) [-]
shut up meg
#244 to #147 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
That would have hurt if you could actually come up with your own jokes
#274 to #244 - wardylocks
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Yeah but it looks like you're hurt anyway
and pretty mad
yep
#293 to #274 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Eh, if you say so; frankly I'm not the one getting my panties in a knot when someone shares a different opinion than me. I just don't like rude pricks
#278 to #10 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Holy ****, who pissed in your wheaties this morning?
tone down the butthurt, loser. You'll be happier.
#294 to #278 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Wow, I haven't been called a loser in a long time. Good for you for making me remember that

In any case, nobody pissed in my shreddies, I just don't like rude people and find it very hypocritical that funnyjunk (which usually tends to frown upon rude and immature behavior) is suddenly up in arms and supporting it just because someone is making fun of something they don't like

It may come as a shock to you, but nobody deserves to have their beliefs belittled and condemned (provided they are not hurting anyone), and even if I don't agree with whatever message they are spreading, it doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly rude and disrespectful to mock them
#201 to #10 - furiousmarshmellow
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(08/02/2013) [-]
While I'm at it, I might as well give a Christian a Pentagram, or a Catholic a Star of David.   
   
   
   
   
 Idiot.
While I'm at it, I might as well give a Christian a Pentagram, or a Catholic a Star of David.




Idiot.
#239 to #201 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I never said that, someone below did. And even if you did, it wouldn't be offensive unless you were doing it maliciously
#164 to #10 - mcfc
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I have made a new religion which is named "suck my dick"...I see you dont follow my religion. As a token i will give you a dragon dildo. Now dont be some cool and hardcore dude thinking its okay to mock anyones religion..


Your logic is displayed above.
#241 to #164 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Actually it's not, because (and if you read below, you would have found this) it's not something you're seriously devoted to, it's not something that you have as a foundation to your life or problems or even your own attitude, so it wouldn't matter if I said it was quite stupid (the same way using it as an example would be. Good thing you didn't, though).

Furthermore, even if you WERE serious, I wouldn't smack it down and mock your beliefs, I would either politely decline (like a normal person does when something is offered to them), or just say thank you and that I didn't have any before and take it home. I would then either throw it out when I get there, maintaining your and my dignity, or actually keeping it and having a story to tell
#11 to #10 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Giving an atheist a cross would be the same like giving a muslim a cross, or a hebrew a cross. I'm betting they wouldn't find it very nice; heck, some might even find it offensive. By giving someone else a symbol of your religion (even as a good luck charm) in most cases you are implying your religion is better than theirs.

Not every atheist wears fedoras or has neckbeards; this post wasn't bashing christianity at all, just super-religious christians. The funny part wasn't even that it was him who made fun of it but his dad.
#25 to #11 - Crusader
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Ehh, I agreed with you for the most part until you said "you are implying your religion is better than theirs" If they are a fully functioning person that understands their own religion, they can politely refuse, or even accept it, because while it is a symbol of your religion, it can mean a multitude of other things, from friendship, to trust to just wanting to be nice.

The only people who would become offended are the same people that think their religion is better than yours, and therefore deserve to be offended.
#67 to #11 - longshanksthegrey
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I'm a Muslim and have no problem receiving any religious paraphernalia as a gift.
In Arabic Interfaith is called Da'Waah, and is a pretty big part at our mosque
#214 to #67 - foxxywithpaws
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Today I learned yet another awesome fact about the Islam. ^_^
#284 to #11 - cakezs
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Giving an atheist a cross would be the same like giving a muslim a cross?!?!

An atheist doesn't have a religion, so they wouldn't be offended. I'm atheist and if you want to give me a cross who the **** cares, I obviously don't think it has any significance but it's not "implying your religion is better" because I don't even have one and I don't give a **** about other religions, hence why I don't follow one.
#268 to #11 - hotsaws
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(08/02/2013) [-]
My aunt is also pretty religious (Catholic) while I'm Agnostic. One time she gave me a rosary and some teen book called "Leap of Faith" but I wasn't rude so I just took it. It's a gift, not an abomination to your faith. She's never tried to convert me. If she does, then I will get rude.
#265 to #11 - kilik
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(08/02/2013) [-]
it was a gift from his aunt who thought hed enjoy it. he couldve accepted it and got rid of it later instead of acting like a little **** in front of her disrespectfully. IF this story was real
#253 to #11 - casualbro
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(08/02/2013) [-]
But atheists don't have a religion so how could they be offended right?
#240 to #11 - dapianoman
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I actually did not know this. I, and most of my friends, take a gift as it is: a gift, and not an excuse to rub their religion in your face. When someone hands me a cross, I say, "thank you." I don't say "IT BURNS!!!" or "I'm an atheist." I just take the gift as a sign of respect. I didn't know you guys were so sensitive as to take offense from just a present.
#225 to #11 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
nope thats wrong
you know why people try to convert you? because they love you and want you to be in heaven! Not because they think their religion is better but they think their religion is right.
But to be honest
i dont really get why religios debate have this kind of big impact on funnyjunk!
Being an atheist is alright! And being religious is alright too!
#211 to #11 - anisbanana
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Hanging the star of david all over our ******* school on christmas is offensive to me then. And there are only like 4 ******* jews in my school out of 1000 people yet we can't put up a damn christmas tree because the greedy jews find it offensive. **** them..

#184 to #11 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I thought athiests just don't believe in any gods. If that's the case then wouldn't they not care about the cross instead of being offended by it?
#95 to #11 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Atheists use an ignorance fallacy to rationalize their atheism: they don't understand how God exists, so they say that he doesn't exist at all. This sort of reasoning is akin to saying that extra-terrestrial civilizations don't exist because humans haven't discovered any yet. The human brain is all the evidence we need of an intelligent designer. But on top of that we also have the Bible with thousands of fulfilled prophesies, and rooted historical evidence of Christ. Simple logic leads to the reality and truth of the resurrection. Why are they so willfully ignorant? Many atheists simply hate the truth,and twist things to fit the lie they love.They don't want God,so they simply close their eyes to the obvious and then use the arguments that are simply based on the ignorance and hatred,but very little on logical fact.If your eyes are twisted,then the picture you will see will also be twisted.
#98 to #95 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Well **** me if that's not the biggest crock of ******** I've ever read in my life. I just don't want to make a big part of my life around something that I haven't seen proof for. It's similar to not believing that a man is guilty of a crime unless you've seen the proof that he is. You're doing a stupid act of rationalizing and you're probably just trolling, so I have no idea why I'm responding.
#313 to #98 - ninjaspartan
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(08/03/2013) [-]
Not that I'm defending anon and his extremely radical statement, but that is why we have court. If there's no proof, then then said criminal is innocent. Hence, "innocent until proven guilty."

And then we have cases like OJ and Zimmerman...
#100 to #98 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I mean generalizing, not rationalizing.
#91 to #11 - runescapewasgood
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(08/02/2013) [-]
i assumed it was a girl...
#93 to #91 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Actually that's very possible, I just noticed the username.
#85 to #11 - anon
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I gave my Muslim friend a cross once for his birthday as a joke (I got him a real present, too) and he just laughed it off.
#22 to #11 - desklamp
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I don't know about how a Muslim or Hebrew would react to a cross, but when I was Christian, if a Muslim had given me a Crescent, I'm pretty sure I would have said "Thank you" instead of being a cunt about it.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure I owned a Star Of David at one point.
#189 to #11 - sandbagger
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#66 to #11 - lukap
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(08/02/2013) [-]
No it ******* wouldn't because atheists don't have a religion, they dont believe in a god so they shouldn't give a ****. Atheism isn't a ******* religion the only people who act like its a religion are fat retarded neckbeards because they get offended at **** like this and call everyone "sheepele"
#59 to #11 - Kairyuka
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(08/02/2013) [-]
But since atheists don't believe it, it doesn't mean anything, right? It's just like "Ooh, this is a pretty piece of cross-shaped metal"
#160 to #59 - rainbowrush ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
No. The cross symbolizes suffering. Giving it as a gift is quite offensive.
#163 to #160 - Kairyuka
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Symbolizes suffering? I don't see a cross and think suffering, hell I barely think christianity. Crosses are more accessories than actual religious symbols nowadays. Although I myself prefer I Ching, Taiji Tu or similar asian symbols.
#44 to #11 - YllekNayr
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Thank you for being a reasonable person, unlike the above commenter.
#12 to #11 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
She wasn't giving him a cross because she wanted him to convert, or insult him, it was just a symbol of her love. He could have also, I don't know, politely declined and said he didn't follow her faith, to which I'm sure she would have been far more open to. Hell, my grandmother is incredibly religious and shares a different faith than I do, yet every time she tells me 'god bless' or 'god loves you', I just say "Thanks Grandma, I love you too" because I understand she's just doing it because that's how she shows her love and appreciation. Even when I'm not in the mood for it, I still don't freak out and make jokes about her, I just politely decline and thank her anyways, kinda like a normal person does

I wasn't bashing Atheists either, just the super entitled ones. His father seems like a dink as well. If she was ACTUALLY trying to push her faith onto them I could understand why they did that and also find it quite funny, but she was only trying to be nice and they were just dicks about it
#14 to #12 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Well, you can't know the full story, of course, so there's no point arguing about it, but I'm just saying it's just as possible that she was trying to convert him. Giving a non-religious person a cross isn't exactly the same as saying 'god bless' or 'god loves you' - the latter being endearing figures of speech and the first one being a symbol of the religion she bears.

If she was trying to push her faith onto them (IMO from the post I'd say it's highly likely) then it wasn't a very considerate gift in the first place. It's not impolite or mean to give an atheist a cross, it's just a gift that doesn't serve any purpose for the person it's given to if he doesn't have any faith in it. If both the person in question and his dad reacted the same way, have you considered that the reaction might have been deserved? That they politely declined the first 9001 times? That the aunt constantly talks about eternal damnation? I dunno, all of these are valid possibilities. The kid didn't do the best thing in the situation, but we don't have enough information about the situation itself to judge whether his reaction is deserved or not.
#15 to #14 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
You're right, we do not know the circumstances and in that sense I will say that it seems likely she may have been trying to bear down on him, but we still don't know what she's like or what the family is like either, so we can only agree to disagree.

Ah, but it's also from the view of a teenage kid going against an established authority with the help of another authority, everything they do would be oppressive and domineering in his eyes, or witty and snide if things went his way. That's true, but people also give religious symbols as a meaning of hope and concern, like when christians pray for an Atheist; they're not trying to be mean, they're just saying they hope the person is going to be okay; or when a place is rocked by tragedy and someone sends bibles or some-such in the hopes at least someone can find comfort in it because that's what they themselves draw comfort from. In reality; she's been no more oppressive to him than someone who firmly believes in faith healing is 'oppressed' when people tell him to go see a doctor. Yes, the reaction may have very well been deserved, but its just his sheer attitude about it that makes me think he looks at it as one big joke, I.E. he doesn't take it seriously so it's not oppressive. You're right, we do not have the information; then why don't we simply say this "The aunt shouldn't push her religion, but the kid could have handled it far better". Sound good?
#16 to #15 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Sure, sounds good to me. I am (to some degree) speaking from personal experience because I know my grandma is very religious and has many times had conversations with me to try to convert me back to Christianity, and while I'm sure she has my well-being in mind, I'm also sure a part of her is just ashamed to have an atheist in the family (we live in a very religious place). Of course, I love her immensely, and I wouldn't pull this kinda **** if she'd given me the cross, but I'm just saying, there could very well be additional elements to this story that we do not know other than the teenager being an edgy atheist.
#17 to #16 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Excellent. Indeed I know how that feels, but the point is to remember that she does love you and only wants your well-being in mind the same way you want hers. Now, that doesn't mean you should take any abuse given to you, on the contrary you should fight any type of oppression; but there's a fine line between oppression and someone who just thinks they know better. Have a wonderful day, good sir; and thank you for the educated debate without us having to descend into insults and ad hominem's
#19 to #17 - redtooth
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I'm sorry that you're getting thumbed down just for expressing your opinion and arguing with valid points.
#46 to #19 - YllekNayr
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(08/02/2013) [-]
He's being thumbed down because none of his comments can redeem him from the first one he made.
#75 to #46 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I see, so it's alright to make fun of religious people, but not Atheists?

I don't feel I'm the one who needs to be 'redeemed' here
#292 to #75 - YllekNayr
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(08/02/2013) [-]
No. Don't act persecuted because you're being a dick and got called on it.

I know that's a Christian's specialty, but it won't help you here.
#296 to #292 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
I like how you got the message that I felt I was being persecuted when all I said was "I see, so it's alright to make fun of religious people, but not Atheists?" (good job avoiding the question, though). I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm actually not a christian and in fact share a very different religious belief than they do. It may be hard to grasp, but I do, honestly, truly, think that being rude is a bad thing in general, regardless of what circumstances you are in.

(Also, all things considered, you're being more of a dick than I am. The person in the post made fun of over-the-top christians, I made fun of over-the-top Atheists, and now everyone has their panties in a twist over me while condoning the behavior above simply because they agree with it and feel entitled to do so. There is no difference between you thinking a religious person is stupid because of their religion and a religious person thinking Atheists are stupid because of their lack of faith. The only difference between me and you here is that I think it's best to be polite at all times, while you think politeness can go out the window regarding views you don't agree with. Quite a dick move there
#302 to #296 - YllekNayr
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(08/02/2013) [-]
But lemme just get something straight:

You make that original comment, and in response I say none of your comments can redeem you from it, and that you're being a dick and acting persecuted.

This means I am MORE of a dick than you? What universe do you live in where saying something similar and lesser makes you worse?

You're a hypocrite now, as well, for wanting to make those sorts of comments and then act like anyone else that says something similar about you is being mean.
#304 to #302 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/02/2013) [-]
Lemme help straighten that out for you:

I made the original comment belittling over-the-top-Atheists (who are apparently ALL Atheists), everyone got made because they felt their opinions were more important than the opinions of others ("It's okay to make fun of religious people, but not Atheists"), and then you believe I'm acting like I'm persecuted despite the fact I never said anything about myself besides my personal attitude to it

Seeing as how YOU are generalizing Atheists (rather than myself), YOU are acting rude while in my comments above you can see I am more than willing to be civil and respectful, and YOU feel that Atheists are more entitled than religious people, yes, you are more of a dick than myself. Apparently not the same universe where being polite across the board is a good thing

Again, the post made fun of over-the-top christians, cool, I made fun of over-the-top Atheists, not so cool apparently. It's not my fault everyone chose to take it so personally and completely ignore the hypocrisy; and furthermore I never said anyone else was being rude or mean. I never complained about what people said, I never used logical fallacies, I was never rude without someone being rude to me first, and I never complained about the massive amount of red thumbs I get, and continue to get, while everyone else has green up the ying-yang because I understand that's what happens when you post a controversial comment. So no, I am not hypocritical. YOU on the other hand still have yet to answer my original question and continue to dodge my statements while putting words in my mouth and seeing things from an ill-perceived angle. I don't BLAME you for that, as it's only natural to get ruffled when someone insults something you're into, but I would at least expect you to act civilized and think with a cool, clear head without using insults, especially when you're trying to defend something you believe in due to rationality and logic
#307 to #304 - YllekNayr
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(08/03/2013) [-]
You didn't make fun of over-the-top atheists. You singled out the man from the story, and he is not over the top by any means. And somehow you act like someone calling you out on it is more disrespectful than your original comment.
#314 to #307 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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Again, if that's not over the top, you're implying that's how Atheists USUALLY act, which (I certainly hope) is not true. Furthermore, I never complained about anyone 'calling me out' because nobody did. To 'call someone out' they have to be deliberately hiding their offensiveness, and good gods if I was trying to do that I'm the least subtle person on Earth. Besides, again, I never complained about what anyone said to me or replied, nor did I think anything they said to me was disrespectful; what I thought was disrespectful was they were mocking a certain type of faith while believing they themselves were better for the faith they had

You still haven't replied to my question, by the way. In case you forgot "So it's okay to make fun of religious people, but not okay to make fun of Atheists?"
#316 to #314 - YllekNayr
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(08/03/2013) [-]
No, they don't. You could be actively being a jerk, and someone calls it out. After that point, you say that they're the one being worse than you.

That's why you're a hypocrite.

The answer to your question is "No, that statement is false, but atheists are far more widely despised and ridiculed than Christians, at least within the United States, and often are made fun of for things that were not offensive, while the same Christians do worse things and call it religious freedom."
#322 to #316 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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(08/03/2013) [-]
Oh, okay. I suppose your opinion over-rules common theme then. Just as well, I didn't say 'they' are being worse. I said 'they' are being hypocritical by allowing the circumstances of one insult to slide, but not another, simply because of bias. I said YOU are being worse than me because you are generalizing, assuming, putting words in my mouth, speaking for others, and debating more with emotion and feeling than with logic and reason.

You don't understand what 'hypocrite' means, do you? A hypocrite is: "Someone who engages in the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense." I never said it was wrong for someone to reply rudely to me, what I said was wrong was that someone values their own spiritual or theological beliefs more than another's based upon the same amount of evidence. That's why I'm NOT a hypocrite

Now YOU'RE the one playing the victim, as that type of behaviour happens everywhere. Here in Canada, there are far more Atheists (or at the very least, 'spiritualists' and 'agnostics') than any other religious background and religious people are often mocked for their beliefs. If you were a christian in the middle east or Eastern Asia, you would be mocked or ridiculed. The most 'Atheist' place in the world is Vietnam with a population of (I forget the exact number, but somewhere between) 78%-92% and you would be mocked for holding religious beliefs there. Being a victim does not allow you to have more rights or privileges than another, nor does being a persecutor. Besides, in a recent poll, more people actually identify with 'believing in god' than 'being christian' in America, of which there is a very firm difference.

If you do not believe it is okay for christians to mock Atheists, why do you believe it's okay for Atheists to mock christians? By making exceptions to your own beliefs and ostracizing others for theirs, you are no different than those who treat you unjustly
#323 to #322 - YllekNayr
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Are you kidding? What does any of that have to do with this? And are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that most of America is NOT Christian, but in fact just "believes in a god"? Is that actually something you're saying? That's pathetic.
#340 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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I find it funny that you say they have no merit when you only focused on ONE of them, of that one, you also claimed had no merit. Yet you had no trouble focusing on that one (and bringing it up later as well, including an argument for how you one based upon the single point out of my many)

You're running out of excuses
#338 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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*Won, sorry. I'm quite tired
#337 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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How convenient that you use my attitude at YOUR unwillingness to address the rest of my points to escape so you don't have to address the rest of my points. It doesn't matter anyways, YOU were the one who was so adamant against me, and YOU are the one who has to prove me wrong which you still haven't done. By all debating logic I'm actually in the right and have one this debate. Not even by forfeit, just by your pretentiousness that you're too 'good' to answer the rest of my statements (again, quite convenient for you, considering you probably can't).
#339 to #337 - YllekNayr
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I never said I was too good to answer. I tried. But you're too thick to accept that your statements have no merit.
#335 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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I already said below, if you would have bothered to read the comment, that you were correct and I took the point back

Comment #328 to which you already replied that you had no desire to debunk the rest of my claims, then told me to see Gish Gallop

I replied saying that was one hell of a copout, which it was; and that it was selfish of you to not humour me, yet expect me to humour you. Yet, despite all this, I'm near certain you feel that you are still less of a dick than myself, and have the upper-hand
#336 to #335 - YllekNayr
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There is no upper hand with you, and this seems like one long exercise in futility. I'm willing to have this kind of conversation with most anyone, but not indefinitely, and since it seems like this is going nowhere and you seem to fail to recognize your inherent bias against atheists being.....well......atheists......I'm withdrawing from this conversation.
#333 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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The same way you're gonna stick to yours. I just find it interesting how you are unwilling to even TRY to 'debunk' any of my previous points (obviously because you're simply above it), yet you think it should be my responsibility to look up a term so my effort can prove that you're right

Unfortunately for you I did look it up, because I'm not a lazy, self-entitled twat, and it does not prove you right. The argument is that because I 'drowned you in half truths', you automatically win, yet I only gave you ONE point that could possibly be considered a 'half truth', and when you made that point I took it back. You STILL have all the others which are based upon total fact

So yes, that is my answer, and no, I'm not changing it.
#334 to #333 - YllekNayr
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You're gonna go with saying that America is NOT, in fact, a majority Christian denominations, but instead just "religious".
#330 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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That's one hell of a cop out. I'm honestly surprised you can do that while still maintaining the arrogance to think you're the one in the right
#332 to #330 - YllekNayr
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So you're gonna stick with that answer, then?
#328 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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Very well then, you make a good point. I take that argument back

The other points still stand
#329 to #328 - YllekNayr
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I have no desire to thoroughly debunk every one of your claims. See "Gish Gallop"
#325 to #323 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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Anyways, I said it because it's true. The majority of America does not identify as 'christian', whether or whether not they believe in a god is irrelevant. The same way you can believe in a god, but declare yourself 'Atheist' because you simply don't care or don't worship or don't think it has any effect. Yes, it is something I'm saying

If it honestly had no basis in this argument, you wouldn't be as upset as you are. Furthermore, I like how you call me pathetic for 1/6 of my argument (seeing as how it was part of a much bigger paragraph) while YOU are the one who caught only that, refused to reply to any other point, and continue to thumb down my comments in a childish manner
#327 to #325 - YllekNayr
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The majority of America IS a denomination of Christianity. Whether you want to label it something else or not is irrelevant. Your statement of "is a very firm difference" is deliberate misdirection by intentionally making it seem like something else is the case, which is a blatant lie on your part in an attempt to move Christianity from the majority.
#305 to #304 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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*Mad

Not made. That's just silly
#301 to #296 - YllekNayr
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No, you made fun of any atheist, seeing as the atheist in the post was anything but over the top, yet you still felt it accurate to call him edgy and generally belittle him.
#303 to #301 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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So ALL Atheists are that rude and disrespectful? I never knew that
#306 to #303 - YllekNayr
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The man in this story was not rude OR disrespectful.
#311 to #306 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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Your bias is sticking through like a sore thumb
#315 to #311 - YllekNayr
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Nobody else agrees with you.
#320 to #315 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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Actually, the first Atheist in this thread did. As do some others; the amount of red thumbs bestowed mean nothing as after a point it stops being "I'm thumbing this guy down because I dislike his opinion" to "I'm thumbing this guy down because he has a lot of red thumbs and I want to see how many he can get", similar to what happens when a person gets a lot of green thumbs

Don't deny it, I have done it, and I know you have too. This site is populated by the young and immature after-all

Sorry to burst your bubble
#324 to #320 - YllekNayr
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You're suggesting I'm biased by stating something everyone else is saying. Rather than everyone else being biased, you're just wrong.
#326 to #324 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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No, I'm suggesting you're bias because you refuse to acknowledge anyone taking my side, and refuse to see that it's unjust to punish one person for having an opinion and exhault another simply because you agree (or disagree) with it. You're also quite obviously an Atheist, and you showed a lot of aggression and negativity (and still do, but more so when) you thought I was christian. You're also adamant that the poster was acting completely rationally by making a mockery out of his Aunt's faith, going on to say that it wasn't over the top or undeserved at all (implying all Atheists do or should act that way) yet you're upset with me because I also made a mockery of faith and saying it was completely unjustified and I cannot be redeemed despite my calm demenour, manner, argument, and civility even toward those insulting me

That's why you're bias
#21 to #19 - captainfuckitall ONLINE
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It's alright. I would feel more offended if people actually thought I cared about virtual thumbs that don't even get me anything
#18 to #17 - redtooth
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I agree; it's nice to have a debate every so often that doesn't result in name-calling. Have a complimentary giraffe and a nice day.
#28 - imonaboatman
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I'm a Christian, but I absolutely despise ultra-religious "Christians" who preach hate, intolerance, and "damn" anyone who disagrees with their religion just as much as atheists. Also, most of the Bible is metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally. Love and kindness take precedence over petty "sins." And the Bible states that Atheists who live good lives can get into heaven. There's no point trying to convert anyone to your belief or lack of beliefs. Just respect their views and stop trying to act like you're better. In the end, your actions are more important.
#128 to #28 - wetnoodle
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im a dog, but i absolutely despise ultra-k9 "dogs" who bark hate, intolerance, and "hump" abyone who isnt a dog just as much as cats. also, most of the bacon is for humans and is not meant to be taken by dogs. bellyrubs and pettings take precedence over petty "meows". and the humans say that dogs who are good boys can sit on the couch. there's no point in trying to shake paw if you arent going to get bacon. just dont bite the humans hand or you will get newspaper slap.
#35 to #28 - thebestpieever
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I left the Catholic church about 11 years ago, but I certainly did not became a cunt to people who believe in it. I like to see a person who doesn't judge people based on what they believe but on who they are.
#45 to #28 - YllekNayr
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The sad thing is if you had started your post with "I'm an atheist, and..." you would end up being downvoted to hell and replied to with "Edgy" pictures.
#57 to #28 - thereoncewasaman
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I truly do appreciate that you are so tolerant and accepting but I have to point out a few things.
1) The Bible was originally meant to be taken literally, however over time the church realized that so many things were scientifically incorrect or just unbelievable in there that they took the stance that it is meant to be allegory and teach a message rather than be literal.
2) The bible says that the only way into heaven is by accepting god and jesus as your lord and savior, no other way. Even now with the new pope trying to say that atheists can get into heaven the church is fighting back and denying that it is true.

I agree that converting people is annoying, but I don't see it as a bad thing to engage in intellectual discussion about why one could or should believe in something. Respecting beliefs is fine but its not offensive to challenge peoples preconceptions or talk about why they believe what they do.
#60 to #57 - imonaboatman
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Asking about their beliefs is okay. What bothers me are people who tell members of other religions or non-religious people that they're going to Hell and are bad people simply because they have different lifestyles or opinions. We can't always help our circumstances. If I was born in India, I would most likely be a Hindu. If I was born in the Middle East, I'd probably be a Muslim. The world is filled with different religions, with most teaching similar ideals of love and compassion. And it seems arrogant of us to assume that our religion is any truer than theirs' and call them wrong. Nobody really knows what will happen until the day comes. In my personal opinion, a person's actions are far more important in determining their fate than their system of beliefs. I believe that a kind, honest atheist who lives a good life and helps others has a better chance of entering Heaven than, say, a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.
#286 to #60 - thereoncewasaman
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You are absolutely correct about all of that, its better to be a good person than a crazy pious person. I don't really agree with the idea of living a good life in order to get rewarded with heaven when you die but I think that if there is an afterlife then yes you will be judged on the kind of person you are. Cheers for being reasonable!!!
#114 to #28 - bluslenderman
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i concur
#193 to #28 - anon
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i thought your text color was some link that i have clicked on before -_-*
#215 to #28 - rhiaanor
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did you just say you hate christians who preach hate, intorlerance and damn those who disagree with their religion.... and then say "just as much as atheists?" I'm assuming you meant it differently untl further notice because that is hypocritical as ****.
#277 to #215 - imonaboatman
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Look at comment 29.
#281 to #28 - anon
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"Lol imma christian but not a bad one theyre dumb thumbs pls"
#159 to #28 - anthraxpotato
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i utterly enjoyed your comment, you're the kind of christian i like.
#33 to #28 - thatonesmartdude
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Thanks for clearing that up in Comment #29
Thanks for clearing that up in Comment #29
#62 to #28 - CoolStoryBrosky
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"And the Bible states that Atheists who live good lives can get into heaven."
What verse exactly? This is news to me.
#65 to #62 - imonaboatman
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For one, in Luke 10:25 - 37 NIV:

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”



Essentially, Jesus is emphasizing that kindness and empathy are more important than religion. He praises the "Good Samaritan" while condoning the indifference of a man who claims to be religious, but ignores the suffering of others.
#70 to #65 - CoolStoryBrosky
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Revelations 21:8
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Luke 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Psalms 53:1
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that does good.

These are the ones I remembered off the top of my head. I'm no Christian, I'm just well educated. The bible makes it abundantly clear that Atheists go to hell.
#270 to #70 - ninjaspartan
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These passages can be interpreted many different ways. For example:

Revelations 21:8 - This is practically listing sins that defy the ten commandments. Practically stating the common sense of being a good person. It mentions nothing about Athiests having to go to hell for disbelieving in God.

Luke 3:16 - More like a guarantee that you will go to Heaven if you believe in God, although due to the massive amount of contradiction with other passages for that interpretation, it can be easily interpreted simply as the main condition among measurable actions required for getting into heaven. Not at all does it imply that disbelieving will guarantee you a one way ticket to Hell.

John 14:6 - Possibly a statement for Catholicism implying that to believe in God is to believe in Jesus being his Son, and that otherwise is incorrect. Jesus did in fact claim to be the Son of God, after all. But again, its a statement for those who do believe in God, not one directed towards those who don't.

Psalms 53:1 - This passage here is a doosy and I had to look it up. First thing that comes to mind is that it's a part of the old testament, the books with passage meanings that most understand must be taken with a grain of salt. The beliefs between the old testament and the new differ thanks to the time difference, and as you can see in that passage they were pretty hardcore and elitist in that age. Another reason there are so many contradictions in the Bible. Since this is certainly saying straight up that athiests are evil, I can't run a different interpretation by it obviously. But as you can see it contradicts many passages in the new testament very clearly as well, so I would authorize the new testament's teachings in place of many of the old, because times change, and although slowly and surely to fit our ever expanding culures, beliefs do the same.
#290 to #270 - CoolStoryBrosky
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In the passage from revelations, it specifies "The Faithless." AKA Atheists.

Here's another good one:

Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

It's nice that you guys have a fresh new outlook on Christianity and all, but when it's not supported by your holy text, you're essentially just ************ everyone.
#295 to #290 - ninjaspartan
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Right, right, well, still. Consider that changes in beliefs were made with each new book written for the Bible, all that contradicted previous passages. Why? Because cultures changed. And with the culture changes, so to did minuscule bits and pieces of certain beliefs. I think Christianity is at fault for not adjusting their beliefs accordingly to culture changes and minor changes in morals and values, and they stayed stuck with the beliefs of a certain time in the past because no one has written any new scriptures since then. But I mean, it's not like there were any religious heroes like Moses or Jesus either. Back then, religion was the "it" thing, leading and advancing powers and defining morals and values. Today, not so much. So they get stuck with age old tradition, holding on desperately until a new catholic hero comes around to help catholics adjust to today's culture, and they bashed for it. That's kind of just how it is now. It's not ************, there's just no other way to validate the whole thing, or else it would have been left in the past.
#297 to #295 - CoolStoryBrosky
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2 timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
#298 to #297 - ninjaspartan
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Okay buddy, that's getting annoying. -_- I'm explaining the possibility of an adoptive style for Catholicism, which means God himself, too, if he exists, would so choose to adopt for mankind's sake. Problem is we never got anything God-breathed in centuries.
#299 to #298 - CoolStoryBrosky
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Well, that's why Catholics adopted papal dogma. The pope supposedly is the Jesus and Moses of our time.
#310 to #299 - ninjaspartan
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Those are Vatican appointed, though. I mean, you don't see scriptures being made for every pope that takes the head of the Church, do you? It's not the same thing as being spoken to by the big guy himself, which Jesus and Moses were. When that time comes and miracles start happening, then we have our new modern testament and the like of which I've been explaining.
#72 to #65 - CoolStoryBrosky
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I would like to further point out that your example says nothing which defends Atheism. This parable was, rather, reprimanding of the Priest and Levite who didn't act.

#279 to #72 - anon
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Jesus defends the man of no faith who helps others and states that he is more admirable than the priest who ignores problems. That seems to defend Atheism to me.
#69 to #65 - CoolStoryBrosky
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How can one love god yet deny his existence?
#285 to #69 - anon
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They don't have to love him. They don't even have to know he exists. they just need to be a good person, and do good because it's what is right, not just because they're afraid of being punished.
#291 to #285 - CoolStoryBrosky
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"Love your neighbor and love god"
#29 to #28 - imonaboatman
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Let me rephrase that: "just as much as atheists do. I didn't mean that I hate atheists. And I thought the post was funny.
#30 to #28 - RiflemanFunny
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"Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets." Luke 20:46

Christ talking about the "over religious"
#32 to #30 - imonaboatman
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I definitely prefer atheists over the over-religious people who act like that.
I definitely prefer atheists over the over-religious people who act like that.
#37 to #32 - RiflemanFunny
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He wasn't even finished. Luke 20:47 "They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely."
#20 - rakaka
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#27 to #20 - snaresinger
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I thought it was quite funny. It slightly bugged me because I'm tired of seeing things from tumblr, but there's nothing wrong with the humor. Is it possible you just don't like it because you don't like atheistic humor?
#43 to #20 - randomwanker
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just because it involves religion doesn't mean it isn't funny
#24 to #20 - merrymarvelite
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Alright, here.

Oldie but goodie.
#36 to #24 - happygoyim
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#182 to #24 - anon
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>Try this
>Almost puking it's so disgusting
>Reaction is coming
>Run into living room
>"I AM BLBLLBLBLBLBLAUAGGH!"
>Realize no one is in the room
>Continue to puke everywhere

#53 - foelkera
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>Expecting a logical debate about religion whilst on funnyjunk
>Expecting a logical debate about religion whilst on funnyjunk
#190 to #53 - tehubernation
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Where did you find a gif of this?!?
#341 to #53 - redwrench
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What's this from?
#150 to #53 - EvilPixelKillr
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Comment Picture
#58 to #53 - thereoncewasaman
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>expecting a logical debate when religion is involved
#64 to #58 - ninjastarthrow
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>Expecting a logical debate on FJ.
>Expecting a logical debate on FJ.
#102 to #64 - undeadwill ONLINE
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>Expecting a logical debate
#104 to #102 - youxbarstard ONLINE
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>Expecting logic.
>Expecting logic.
#105 to #104 - undeadwill ONLINE
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>expecting anything
#106 to #105 - youxbarstard ONLINE
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>Expecting nothing
#115 to #106 - andywazowski
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>expecting
#47 - pikininja
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I don't care if you're atheist and disagree with someone's beliefs, that's just ******* disrespectful. She's your aunt, dude.
I don't care if you're atheist and disagree with someone's beliefs, that's just ******* disrespectful. She's your aunt, dude.
#110 to #47 - tylosaurus
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"Here, let me disrespect you by giving you something I consider a sacred item to convert you".
"Here let me make a joke about your view on atheists".

Nah.
#117 to #47 - largeheadphones
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Bad argument, Bad! The Aunt was already trying to force her religion onto him, he probably said no, and she refused to listen.
#154 to #47 - hates
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It's not disrespectful to give a cross to an atheist?
#269 to #47 - anon
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I don't know, that was pretty funny.
#73 to #47 - cheesymondo
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"you are dead to me until you believe as i believe. You will suffer eternal burning after you die because of what you are. This is why i'm trying to save you, because clearly you can't think for yourself. You are like a child in that i need to protect you from yourself. So here, have this miniature guillotine as a symbol of love and hope, despite it's history of slowly killing enemies of bronze age government's."

This is what someone is saying if they give you a cross to convert you.
#272 to #73 - ninjaspartan
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Yeah, erm... so, what if they're just giving you a cross?

"Here. I want you to have this cross, it is part of my belief and important to me, so I'm giving it to you."

I mean, that's what I'm hearing. I dunno about you.
#300 to #272 - cheesymondo
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well it wasn't was it? op said she thought she could convert him.

if it's important to her why give it away? if your aunt gave you a swastika, telling you how important it is to her, would you accept it as nothing more than a gift, or a suggestion of beliefs?
#309 to #300 - ninjaspartan
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And it really sucks that you would compare a swastika to Christianity or religion in general. That's like comparing homosexuality with having sex with a dog. I'm sure you'd agree it's two very different things.
#308 to #300 - ninjaspartan
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Yeah, I would. Whether or not those beliefs are similar to my own, I'd accept it with gratitude as a gesture of kindness. It's basically telling me that I'm just as important if not more important than the item she's trusting with me. In fact my father did just that for me once, entrusting a 14 carrot gold decorated cross that's been passed down his family for generations to me. I was an irresponsible little **** back then and lost it not a year later, and not a day goes by that I don't regret taking better care of it. So I understand the importance of such gifted items.   
   
I'm not saying OP's aunt wasn't a bible thumping extremist with prideful arrogance in her belief to an insulting point-trust me, I've got one of those myself. But if she gave it to her simply out of the kindness of her heart, why the hell does it matter what she hopes it will do for her niece? Sincerity, kindness, and good intent is all I see in an act like that. Frankly, OP never elaborated to what extreme her aunt tried to "convert" her. So I'm a bit skeptical.
Yeah, I would. Whether or not those beliefs are similar to my own, I'd accept it with gratitude as a gesture of kindness. It's basically telling me that I'm just as important if not more important than the item she's trusting with me. In fact my father did just that for me once, entrusting a 14 carrot gold decorated cross that's been passed down his family for generations to me. I was an irresponsible little **** back then and lost it not a year later, and not a day goes by that I don't regret taking better care of it. So I understand the importance of such gifted items.

I'm not saying OP's aunt wasn't a bible thumping extremist with prideful arrogance in her belief to an insulting point-trust me, I've got one of those myself. But if she gave it to her simply out of the kindness of her heart, why the hell does it matter what she hopes it will do for her niece? Sincerity, kindness, and good intent is all I see in an act like that. Frankly, OP never elaborated to what extreme her aunt tried to "convert" her. So I'm a bit skeptical.
#312 to #308 - cheesymondo
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i have to say i disagree. i cannot see a gift of such symbolism being innocent. i, and op (i guess) , see it as literally pushing your beliefs onto someone else.

if it was a pretty cross necklace or a bracelet with a cross on it then yeah that is pretty nice of her and only subtle undertones of suggestion. but if it's a cross with no other purpose than to focus magic into, then my original statement is sound.
#317 to #312 - ninjaspartan
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Alright, I don't mean to pull a strawman, but saying that you think of it like that basically means you're at the same level when you insult the one who gave you said offer.
"You should have this because I hope you'll convert into my belief one day."
"I don't want your gift because my belief is better and you should believe what I belief instead."
I mean, if you just look at it as a gift you could kindly reject it like any other gift offered to you. If you're that offended by such a simple offering, you're not being rational, just over dramatic. How badly are you villainizing simple beliefs if you have to think something so simple is so offensive? Just look at how religious extremists act towards homosexuality, its no different.

And yes, it was a necklace, but even more so than a wall cross its something that you wear that symbolizes what you believe in, so there's a lot more implication behind it. I doubt I'd catch an atheist wearing a cross saying "it's pretty, don't you think?"
#318 to #317 - cheesymondo
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im sorry, i fail to see what belief of mine you are talking about?
in the scenario op described is she insulting someone or is someone taking offence?
it isn't just the gift. the gift alone symbolizes torture, war, death, and occasional good. the act of giving it reduces the receiver to a child, "i know what's best for you.", "you're going to hurt yourself", "let me take care of you, you don't know any better".

yes im sure me finding the cross (the symbol used for death, etc. etc.) offensive and religious extremist's hanging homosexuals for no other crime than being themselves, is exactly the same.

ahh well, it was a stretch. i donno, something about jewelry could be pretty..?
#319 to #318 - ninjaspartan
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Belief in general. In OP's scenario, the only one I see being insulted is his/her aunt. The dialogue in my quote is basically the same scenario.
The gift, any gift, is what you make it. So if you make it a symbol of torture, death, and oppression, that's what it is. Conversely, it can be just a gift. It's all hypothetical, and you're really overreacting by interpreting it as something else. I find it saddening that anyone would automatically interpret any good act as something insidious just because of its history.

Absolutely. Did you not just compare Hitler and Nazism to Christianity a few posts back? That's the same stretch of a comparison. Nonetheless, the idea of hate is behind both. If you can be insulted by an act of kindness, it's all the same. Same hate that started religious wars, the same hate that burnt churches, the same hate all around. It's all about where it starts.

Sure, but apparently if it symbolizes a belief of oppression and death, it's just not alright, is it? I mean, otherwise you're technically spouting hypocrisy.
#50 to #47 - mitchellking
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Shes trying to force her religion onto you and you're being the disrespectful one?
#48 to #47 - syntheticdoll
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I would do the same if my aunt would try to convert me. I don't have a problem with any religion until they shove it into my face.
#49 to #48 - pikininja
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I can understand if they're shoving it down your throat, but there's a chance that this poster is blowing the situation out of proportion because it's "cool" to put down religion and religious people.
#51 to #49 - syntheticdoll
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You have a point, we don't know the background, maybe she was bitching about this for years, maybe this was the first time she did something like this, who knows.
#54 to #49 - anon
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Sometimes there is a thing as overly religious.

For example, my aunt totaled her car because she literally believed Jesus would take the wheel. So she let go of it. As much as I love her, it gets to a point where it's no longer religion, but addiction.
#275 to #48 - anon
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It's still your choice whether or not you want to be the bigger man.
#96 - anon
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Atheists use an ignorance fallacy to rationalize their atheism: they don't understand how God exists, so they say that he doesn't exist at all. This sort of reasoning is akin to saying that extra-terrestrial civilizations don't exist because humans haven't discovered any yet. The human brain is all the evidence we need of an intelligent designer. But on top of that we also have the Bible with thousands of fulfilled prophesies, and rooted historical evidence of Christ. Simple logic leads to the reality and truth of the resurrection. Why are they so willfully ignorant? Many atheists simply hate the truth,and twist things to fit the lie they love.They don't want God,so they simply close their eyes to the obvious and then use the arguments that are simply based on the ignorance and hatred,but very little on logical fact.If your eyes are twisted,then the picture you will see will also be twisted.
#138 to #96 - thebrownydestroyer **User deleted account**
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When proof arises a God that demands constant worship and love that sends you to hell for being a simple human, I guess i'll have no choice but to follow it.
#99 to #96 - arreatface
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troll harder
#166 to #96 - petpeople
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First off let me explain something, Atheism ISNT a form of ignorance, we just simply believe in other things and find new explanations for things we dont believe with tools whose accuracy we DO believe in. You can use your  book, and we can use our science. If it wasnt for science we wouldnt be on the moon or sending robots to mars. Do you think your god could just send up up there?   
   
Thank you for your time
First off let me explain something, Atheism ISNT a form of ignorance, we just simply believe in other things and find new explanations for things we dont believe with tools whose accuracy we DO believe in. You can use your book, and we can use our science. If it wasnt for science we wouldnt be on the moon or sending robots to mars. Do you think your god could just send up up there?

Thank you for your time
#263 to #96 - naldibesti
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wow so you must be so much smarter than all atheists by knowing how god exists
#266 to #96 - thessalonaki
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#101 to #96 - kangster
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You big troll you..., but still

Atheïsts don't say that god doesn't exist (rational ones atleast), they say that the religious community doesn't provide sufficient evidence for us to believe that a god exists. Prove it and we'll (i atlest) believe it.
And no, the bible is no evidence for god, like harry potter is not evidence for voldermorts existence.

Another thing, replace god in all your arguments with bigfoot, still works.

TR;DR atheists dont say goed doesnt exist, we just dont have enough proof to believe he does
#151 to #101 - metalmind
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And almost nobody says that there are no aliens. There are so many planets that there have to be a lot of planets with life on them.
But there is no evidence that humans have ever encounterd any of them.
#287 to #101 - CupcakeMaster
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Voldemort doesn't exist?
#97 to #96 - grapefruity
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#112 to #97 - andywazowski
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Holy ****. That gif is hilarious, I dunno what it is, but thanks for posting it.
#111 to #97 - dambusta
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love little britain, just sayin
#156 - shakalakaboomboom
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Glorious agnostic master race   
   
   
 I kid, I kid
Glorious agnostic master race


I kid, I kid
#165 - andersbreivik
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>2013
>disrespecting the lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
#169 to #165 - tonyredgrave
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Thor is best son of Deity
#179 to #169 - ananamouse
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#181 to #179 - tonyredgrave
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#183 to #181 - ananamouse
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#185 to #183 - tonyredgrave
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Break it up!
#186 to #185 - ananamouse
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#191 to #186 - tonyredgrave
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#192 to #191 - ananamouse
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Thor...has...become...Christ...like...
#194 to #192 - tonyredgrave
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Nah, that's his bathrobe'
#195 to #194 - ananamouse
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#170 to #169 - andersbreivik
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Don't insult my savior.
#171 to #170 - tonyredgrave
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#173 to #171 - andersbreivik
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#175 to #173 - tonyredgrave
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#203 to #175 - darkvengence
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I find Etrigan to be cooler
#204 to #203 - tonyredgrave
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I like his guy better.
#205 to #204 - darkvengence
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The way he turns into Etrigan tho
#206 to #205 - tonyredgrave
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#208 to #206 - darkvengence
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He also speaks in rhymes 0.o
#209 to #208 - tonyredgrave
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Seems like a hassle
#210 to #209 - darkvengence
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He's still badass though
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#213 to #78 - envinite
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So is Atheism.
#247 to #78 - dapianoman
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Religion is nothing like that in the U.S. Here we are allowed to knock on people's doors and ask them about their beliefs, but it's illegal to knock on one's door and show em your junk. So.....religion isn't like a penis at all.
#180 - nephritho
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Well not to defend the atheist but the "super" christian should kept her religion to herself.
#283 to #180 - cuppycakechick
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