Ya, woman have it tough. I remember having a huge fight with a girl in art class over comic books. She said how horrible they were because the women all have hu women Men sexism
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Ya, woman have it tough

Ya, woman have it tough. I remember having a huge fight with a girl in art class over comic books. She said how horrible they were because the women all have hu

I remember having a huge fight with a girl in art class over comic books. She said how horrible they were because the women all have huge boobs and that it was unrealistic and bad for women's self esteem. I just laughed and agreed because all the male super hero's are perfectly normal in size.

istic hardy stereotypes.
Because manly 'tatl. have he deal
with unreal
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#1 - benevolentpsycho (07/22/2013) [-]
To help with your argument
User avatar #243 to #1 - paintplayer (07/23/2013) [-]
Holy Synthol, Batman.
#26 to #1 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
He injected oil into his muscles to look like that. Not only does it look ridiculous, it's also extremely painful to do.
User avatar #38 to #26 - benevolentpsycho (07/22/2013) [-]
What people will do to their bodies

It's disgusting
#115 to #109 - benevolentpsycho (07/22/2013) [-]
I can't stop laughing    
   
Thumbs up to you good sir/ madam
I can't stop laughing

Thumbs up to you good sir/ madam
#117 to #115 - thelowbrass (07/22/2013) [-]
why thank you. I try
#158 - trustsharpeye (07/22/2013) [-]
I genuinely think porn comes into this.
And before you respond with "Huehue 'comes into' hear me out.
The majority of people who watch porn are guys.
The guys in porn are always totally ripped.
Surely that's influencing the average teen to think only the really good-looking guys get sex?


It's the same with TV shows, it's always the good-looking protagonist who gets the girl.
#193 to #158 - comicsguy (07/22/2013) [-]
Except in Scrubs, and THAT'S why I love the series so much, it doesn't really fit in the generic terms of the main comedy series of the television shows
User avatar #194 to #193 - trustsharpeye (07/22/2013) [-]
If only, if only it was even remotely funny though.
If only.
#197 to #194 - comicsguy (07/22/2013) [-]
... you didn't just ...
User avatar #195 to #194 - trustsharpeye (07/22/2013) [-]
Anyway, what the **** are you talking about?
#198 to #195 - comicsguy (07/22/2013) [-]
I don't know if that's directed to me, but it was a response to your comment regarding fit-sexy people on TV shows
#199 to #198 - trustsharpeye (07/22/2013) [-]
Ooooooooooooh.
Sorry, I've only got replies about the porn part.
Forgotten I'd even written that.
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User avatar #290 to #158 - hystericalparoxysm (07/23/2013) [-]
I don't know about you guys but the porn I watch unfortunately involves old hairy fat dudes (which thankfully aren't in the porn, just their dicks).

inb4 fat guy fetish because all of the I watch is centered around the girl(s)
User avatar #303 to #290 - jcfjr (07/23/2013) [-]
You need to watch different porn.
#310 to #303 - hystericalparoxysm (07/23/2013) [-]
But I like my porn
But I like my porn
#160 to #158 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
Let's be realistic here...

Do you REALLY want fat/overweight/chubby guys in your porn?
#171 to #160 - trustsharpeye (07/22/2013) [-]
Doesn't have to be chubby...
There's more than two body types than perfect and chubby you kniw
User avatar #168 to #160 - Hreidmar (07/22/2013) [-]
Well to be fair, I'm only interested in the woman. It might even be a bit aspirational with a chubby guy. A kind of 'If he can score I can' mentality might form.
#239 to #158 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
and its only the really good looking girl who deserves love
#291 to #239 - srapture (07/23/2013) [-]
Well, she ordered the pizza.
User avatar #173 to #158 - Wumbologist (07/22/2013) [-]
Not to mention their massive dicks that the inject steroids into.
User avatar #174 to #173 - trustsharpeye (07/22/2013) [-]
I've gotta be honest... 18 inch dicks put me off, haha
#10 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
I get what your trying to say but there is one small flaw, at least in comic books. When you see a woman in comics it is envisioned and drawn by a man (for the most part). Now that means that she is a male fantasy. The male characters were also envisioned and drawn by men. They are also a male fantasy. It is what a man sees as attractive to a woman not what a woman actually finds attractive. That doesn't mean that men don't have this problem (we totally do) it just isn't exactly a woman's fault.
#238 to #10 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
well **** if that what men fin attractive for women then they are gonna have to look very long and hard and even if they find a chick like that good luck having her look his way twice.
User avatar #241 to #10 - whatsgoodyo (07/23/2013) [-]
You have to consider that the media is also telling you that these types of bodies are what women are attracted to. Whether or not it is a male envisioned or female envisioned fantasy, it is still projected onto men. Same goes for women.
#125 to #10 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
But whose fault it is is entirely irrelevant. Furthermore, to say that it is all one gender doing it or another is false, because everyone perpetuates those stereotypes, male or female. Just look at the movie magic mike - woman ate that **** up - they were all perpetuating those ideas by doing so.
#311 to #125 - Rascal (07/23/2013) [-]
Might help your argument if you chose a movie actually directed by a woman.
#187 - belgiumguy (07/22/2013) [-]
Atleast Deadpool allows us to have an ugly face
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#30 to #23 - organiclead ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
I see no issue with the way women are drawn in comics.
#166 to #16 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
Does't matter whether it's sexual or not. It only matters that it give kids an unrealistic perspective on body image. It doesn't ******* mean their dicks have to be hanging out.
User avatar #176 to #16 - thephantur (07/22/2013) [-]
Funny. My female friends say the exact opposite and constantly drool over the muscular abs of Thor and other muscular men.
#203 to #16 - ljetibo (07/22/2013) [-]
it's always too easy to get lost in this arguments because you focus only on one extreme. You shouldn't forget the onslaught of female oriented manga almost purely female oriented (i.e. Yuri, jaoi and shoujo) in it's material that managed to shelve a lot of action male oriented manga. Here's an excerpt from one of the best interviews about how manga releases by companies such as dark horse are dictated by the market:
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"manga has undergone a boom and recession in North America. The new shape has formed around a few blockbuster shounen titles (Naruto, One Piece, Bleach) and shelves of shoujo (younger female audience) and yaoi (male homosexual romance for a female audience).
This emphasis has not extended to older female audience josei titles, which maintain a slimmer representation in the market than seinen (male oriented).
While action shounen retains its commercial potential, varieties of shounen (Naruto, One Piece, Bleach) that don't fit into that model, as well as seinen (male oriented), have had difficult time clinging to the book shelves as the tide of the market receded.
In March 2007, Media Blasters ended publication of its shounen/seinen (male/boys oriented) titles, including Pilgrim Jäger, Apocalypse Zero, Baron Gong Battle, Kanunara: Rebirth of the Demon Slayer, and Flesh For The Beast, to focus on the distribution of yaoi (female oriented) titles.
DMP has undergone a similar process, shelving Worst, IWGP and Barbie and Her Pink Gun in favor of their yaoi (female oriented) titles. New publishers entering into the industry have similarly focused on shoujo,yaoi or both.
In eulogizing Blade of the Immortal, a work that is swimming up stream in the market's current, the intent of this piece is not simply to lament that a male dominated market has yielded to a female dominated one. "

so don't just bash, there's little for both sides out there
User avatar #219 to #16 - thewaronbeingcool (07/22/2013) [-]
I think it's less about sexualization for either gender and more about drawing the characters as idealised versions of masculinity and femininity, like Greek statues.

Only the thing is that most men like feminine women, whilst most women don't like hyper masculine men.
#17 to #16 - caseris (07/22/2013) [-]
One question, why would men want to become these big hulks of power if females don't find that attractive? Sure, bigger man can compete more easily with smaller men my smashing them, but in a world with limited physical violence isn't it better to just look like what she described?
#20 to #17 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
That's the thing though, most women aren't into these unrealistically muscular dudes. To go back to comics, or at least comic movies for a minute, why do you think women were more into Loki than Thor?

Men being muscular is more about competing with other dudes, to be stronger, but most women aren't into super-strong dudes.
#143 to #20 - aceonfire (07/22/2013) [-]
actually, the majority of women that I know were more into Thor than Loki.
#177 to #143 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
Well that's just you, mines the other way. Loki>Thor says women.
User avatar #283 to #143 - elcreepo (07/23/2013) [-]
I thought loki was adorable.

I don't like over-jacked guys at all.
User avatar #40 to #17 - yunablade (07/22/2013) [-]
Actually there ARE girls who are into hulkanian dudes but mostly just for physical reasons (just like men do with big boobed high heeled easy girls)

Guys are kinda easier to get, if a guy find a girl hot, 90% of the male population would agree (considering it's not based around a personal fetish like BBW) however girls have more complex tastes even to physical apperance. Some of them will even mind your clothing choises more than your actual body.
#70 to #17 - neverforgetthedick (07/22/2013) [-]
Most men don't want to be Hulks. Almost every guy I know consider this to be the ideal body type. Lean and cut, not way to big or scrawny.
#112 to #70 - yologdog (07/22/2013) [-]
I BEG TO DIFFER!
#237 to #112 - abysmalshadow ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
I see your Hayato Furinji and raise you Alex Louis Armstrong!
LET LESSER MEN TREMBLE AT OUR FLAWLESS PHYSIQUES!
#314 to #237 - yologdog (07/23/2013) [-]
If It's a muscle contest you want...!
#315 to #314 - abysmalshadow ONLINE (07/23/2013) [-]
But of course! True man need only let their muscles do the talking!
#318 to #315 - yologdog (07/23/2013) [-]
I can beat a shark with my bare fists!
User avatar #212 to #17 - unoriginalaccount (07/22/2013) [-]
Because most lifters and bodybuilder don't care what women think of them.
User avatar #192 to #17 - delphine (07/22/2013) [-]
I don't know why don't you ask the men who draw them? The majority of comic book artists are men...
User avatar #18 to #17 - holeymoley (07/22/2013) [-]
I know right? It makes no sense
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User avatar #162 to #161 - holeymoley (07/22/2013) [-]
People do bitch about twilight, where have you been?
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User avatar #165 to #164 - holeymoley (07/22/2013) [-]
oh okay, well in that case you have a good point, i have heard of some cases where men feel that way but i think in general we just don't care.
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User avatar #169 to #167 - holeymoley (07/22/2013) [-]
I'll drink to that!
#2 - doctoryou (07/22/2013) [-]
I guess it's really about the kind of person you are. Some guys aren't shallow and aren't looking for a girl just for beauty. The same applies to some girls. But for those who want to look better it's as simple as getting to the gym. Here is some motivation.
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#7 to #2 - doctoryou (07/22/2013) [-]
Remember, slow progress is better than no progress
User avatar #84 to #7 - mightypower (07/22/2013) [-]
This photo is what I was shown on the first day by my personal trainer and he told me about it, explained to me what it really means. Those 5 seconds of each session were he reminds me that it is not me against the clock or anyone else in the room, is what really got me going in the gym. I have seen amazing results since i started and I must say, this picture is a great inspiration.
User avatar #189 - fukkendragonite (07/22/2013) [-]
When did it say only women have this problem? Don't assume the aim of the ad. The ad isn't an attack on men, it's a ******* advert to get people to buy **** . Who'd have ****** thought it eh?
#133 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
"super hero's"
Yes I too am outraged at the fact that the breasts of male superheroes are also unrealistically large, lowering my self esteem as a man
User avatar #139 to #133 - theaceofthespade (07/22/2013) [-]
I mean, you were joking, but technically large pectorals are one of the things being referenced.
#76 - optimussum (07/22/2013) [-]
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User avatar #78 to #76 - charredenay (07/22/2013) [-]
I have a dream, that some day some brilliant artist will paint a beautiful portrait of two lovers who represent realistic expectations of physique.

And it will be a fat couple feeding each other Big Macs.
#79 to #78 - feeding (07/22/2013) [-]
Didn't know your mom dated Gragas.
User avatar #191 to #76 - fukkendragonite (07/22/2013) [-]
But nobody actually says that. You're making your own misery based on assumptions of what you THINK society thinks. if they were both posted, and those comments showed up then fair enough. Nobody thinks any of that. Life's too short to bitch about things that AREN'T EVEN ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
User avatar #129 to #76 - localcatbarber (07/22/2013) [-]
IPersonally, I think the problem with the guy on the right isn't that he's fat, it's the fedora/pony-tail/neckbeard-combo. At least the girl on the right is trying.
User avatar #183 to #129 - mayormilkman (07/22/2013) [-]
4chan was behind the image with the fat guy, which is based upon the image to the right.
User avatar #263 - AresX (07/23/2013) [-]
TBH it's more of a male power fantasy than a false body stereotype
#32 - ZalgotheImminent ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
While Deadpool with his costume on is pretty good looking, him without it on is pretty damn ick.

Y'know, cancer and all.
#218 - delphine (07/22/2013) [-]
I have no problem with women in comic books being drawn as attractive and strong. Problem is most of the depictions of women are not very tastefully done... This picture of the Scarlet Witch is a good example of a tasteful comic book female... She's still sexy but there is attention to anatomy, she looks strong and not like a pair of giant tits with pencil arms.

Also, Dove Real Beauty Campaign is a bunch of ********* . They only care about making a profit just like any other corporation.
#234 to #218 - sketchysketchist (07/22/2013) [-]
**sketchysketchist rolled a random image posted in comment #2 at pausing is for casuals **
Agreed.
Though sometimes they screw up and do things like make Sue Storm make a hole in her super suit right where her boobs are at.
Same goes for power girl, but she was destined to be fap material and nothing more.

But in the end, the ones that get recognition are the ones with the most popular stories and personalities.
Best male hero is Superman or Batman depending on which's personality you like better, or spider-man if you're a marvel person.
And best female is wonder woman because she's the symbol of Woman power even though she started as a secretary in the Justice League for no reason other than her Vagina. .
#186 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
Whoever made this clearly never actually read a deadpool comic. Not only is he the result of an experiment, which implicitely means that his body type is not refered to / set as a norm. But more importantly his entire body is basically one giant scar. Not exactly the pinnacle of beauty.

I say this btw as a big deadpool fan myself.
User avatar #138 - theaceofthespade (07/22/2013) [-]
The real thing to take away from this shouldn't be that there is some sort of competition. It's not "Take that women, we have unrealistic expectations thrust upon us and we're doing just fine!" or "You men just don't understand how different that is." It should be to recognize that we all have unrealistic expectations put upon us by society, and that we should work together to recognize them and the impact that they have on us, not as men and women, but as people.
#85 - thatkiddonovan (07/22/2013) [-]
Okay no.    
The argument is because women care about that, and compare themselves to others more often.   
And advertising and women's companies use that and take advantage.   
   
Guys really don't give a 			****		.    
We go "Oh wow that dude is ripped"   
and realize that its not 			*******		 normal.
Okay no.
The argument is because women care about that, and compare themselves to others more often.
And advertising and women's companies use that and take advantage.

Guys really don't give a **** .
We go "Oh wow that dude is ripped"
and realize that its not ******* normal.
#134 to #85 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
Guys do give a **** , but the other part of our gender role is to not talk about it, make fun of people for being out of shape, and pretend we don't care about our appearance.
#91 to #85 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
but little do you realize is that there are just as many men who care about appearance as women do. they may not come out and just say it, but they do exist. a lot more than you may think. we all have our own insecurities relative to appearance. for example, some of us worry about how big our dick is compared to everyone else. others might see a ripped dude and feel inferior as a result and want to change that. some of us even worry about how good our faces look. i can guarantee that most acne ridden, fat as **** guys with a 3 incher really do give a **** about it all.
User avatar #92 to #91 - thatkiddonovan (07/22/2013) [-]
No, we all care about our appearance, (or most of us do, or should anyway) but we realize unrealistic body image when we see it.

Like "That's not in my reach"
and it doesn't have to be.
#97 to #92 - Rascal (07/22/2013) [-]
i think that there are plenty of people who realize this, both men and women alike, but some people just don't understand that it's genetically impossible for them to look like any of those other people that they see.

so really i think that this can happen on both sides, but we usually only see women pulling this stupid **** . there still can be men who think like this too so it's not necessarily exclusive thought from women
#141 - lolfire (07/22/2013) [-]
Real beauty is not being fat.

Once again, a company pandering to the weakest in society.

******* disgusting.
#190 - vedgetable (07/22/2013) [-]
******* faggot ***** , thats what i see, ofcourse we have ******* high standards for an ideal, why the **** would the ideal be common? its only logical that the ideal is hard to achieve, am i the only ******** who thinks this?
User avatar #307 - coolcalx (07/23/2013) [-]
right..
because Dove's target consumer is majority male.
because Dove's beauty campaign in ANY way implied that only women deal with unrealistic expectations.
because you're not completely retarded.

oh wait, none of that's true.
User avatar #223 - violentpixi (07/22/2013) [-]
Everyone has different tastes and everyone should just shut up about what's real beauty and just find someone who you find attractive and who finds you attractive and just **** .
Skinny guys, athletic guys, big beefy guys, chubby guys, feminine guys, masculine guys. If you exist, you are someone's fetish.
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