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User avatar #105 - deescalation (07/22/2013) [-]
I'm a crew chief in the Air Force, if I die while serving, I only hope people think "That guy was pretty cool" instead of the usual FJ response of "He joined the military, he had it coming."
#176 to #105 - angelusprimus ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
I really hoped that after Vietnam and consequences for the veterans that war had, people would learn the difference between "I don't support the war." and "I don't support the troops."
I never supported our intervention in Iraq. It was stupid, unnecessary and only people who benefited from it are terrorists and military industrial complex. **** all the politicians who sent our boys there.
But guys who went there, they ARE heroes. They deserve respect and support. Our men and women doing the fighting should not be judged because the leadership who sent them there is ****** up.
User avatar #216 to #176 - badgerclan (07/22/2013) [-]
I have never understood this opinion. Before I explain why I'd like to state that the following does not apply to anybody who was drafted or was already in the military when the war started, because they had no choice in the matter:

Take a war like WWII where there was a good reason to fight. People who fought (against the nazis, of course) deserve respect and admiration because they had a good reason to fight. If the war is pointless and there's no good reason to be in it, why is it worth respecting for somebody to fight in that war? If you don't support a war then doesn't it logically follow that you shouldn't support the ones fighting the war? Otherwise you're basically saying "This is a completely pointless war, but thank god we're willing to fight it!"

The explanations I always hear for continuing to support somebody who is fighting in a stupid war don't make any sense. The "being willing to fight/die for your beliefs" and "supporting/defending your country" ones fall flat when you think about the NVA, the Japanese in WWII, much of the military personnel in oppressive dictatorships, the Taliban, and any of the other armed groups that we don't support because we don't support them even though those reasons apply to them. The "protecting our country/freedoms" arguments don't make sense because if the war is pointless then by definition it is no closer to these things than it is to curing cancer or any other goal that we don't thank the troops for moving us closer to. The "blame the polititians who started the war/the generals who sent the soldiers there" doesn't make sense, unless we're talking about the exceptions I laid out earlier, because the people fighting chose to join the military while we were fighting a stupid war. Therefore they chose to fight in the pointless war.

User avatar #275 to #216 - revanthewin (07/22/2013) [-]
I don't really think that there is such a thing as a pointless war. I mean, whether or not you believe that we only invaded Iraq for oil or if there were actually WMDs, there was still the possibility that there were. (Also they did find chemical weapons in Iraq which count as WMDs. Just fyi). It doesn't matter what you think about Iraq, or Vietnam or Afghanistan. What matters is that people heard the reasons that the government said they went to war there, thought they were good enough, and decided to help out. Even if it turns out everything was a lie from the beginning, the soldiers didn't know that. They thought that Sudam Hussein was sitting on a stockpile of WMDs. I'd say that war has a point. Even after people started saying that there weren't any WMDs, if the person thinks that there still might be some, there's a point to them being there.

I'm not sure if all that even made any sense, but it's 3 AM so that's the best you're gonna get.
User avatar #305 to #275 - hudis ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
They believed that because it's what the government told them. People were effectively tricked into enlisting. That's how war works, that's where troops come from, and that's wrong.
User avatar #325 to #305 - revanthewin (07/22/2013) [-]
I'm not saying it's not wrong, but it's wrong to say things like that about people who join later. You don't know what kind of reasons they could have had for joining the war, or what they believed that made them join. To them whatever lies the government told could have sounded true and made them join. Even the people who knew it was a "pointless war" still deserve to be treated well though. They weren't just standing around out in a desert or a jungle in Vietnam. They were fighting out there, and them just being there could have saved the lives of a lot of other soldiers or civilians.
User avatar #145 to #105 - warmbuns (07/22/2013) [-]
I give you a motivated oorah, from a marine to an airman.
User avatar #137 to #105 - holycrapimacupcake (07/22/2013) [-]
If I here that you have died I will find your grave and I will be proud to salute you sir.

I respect our military men.
User avatar #108 to #105 - hudis ONLINE (07/22/2013) [-]
To me, the usual FJ response seems to be, "He died fighting for our freedom, **** any non-patriot who so much as begins to post."
User avatar #110 to #108 - deescalation (07/22/2013) [-]
we've had very different experiences then
User avatar #106 to #105 - cumbersome (07/22/2013) [-]
That is not the usual Fj response at all, they usually go all out and yell at everyone for not respecting the military and what not. At least in my experience
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