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Batman vs Joker Explained

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I tried explaining to my girlfriend why the Batman ean' t kill the Joker and .
Sigh.
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fal ) d mints 1 year age
Care to explain? I don' t know either.
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They are fighting an ideological battle for each other' s soul. They are both two sides of the same coin:
Two individuals who, because of a horrible day in their lives, became insane and decided to take en the werld and
make it in their image.
The joker was a ****** comedian with a pregnant wife, a nice guy. On the day his wife died in a random accident he
was bullied by mobsters into committing a crime, fell into a vat of chemicals and ended up alone, in pain, and scarred
for life. The overall pain was such that he snapped.... realized that the werld is cruel, unjust and random and decided
he was going to destroy all fabric of the attempted, false, order of the werld and break everyine down
to his level. He believes morals, ethics, are hypocritical nonsense. You ISBN refer to the Dark Knight movie, in which
he says "I' m just ahead of the curve." He spends the entire movie putting everyine in front of him in situations
where, to survive, they will have to break their merel code. Even the henchmen of the black guy... there are twe. For
no reasen other than to break them, he says he will hire the ene whe will kill the other.
This is what the Jeger does, he lives to prave to peeple that he is the avatar of whe they really are: he
just refuses to lie to himself.
Batman watched his parents be murdered, went insane also and developed several obsessions, he fights to bring
justice to a werld he feels is essentially good and plagued by the unnatural disease of crime and evil. He believes in
justice above everything else, he does not kill.
Se what happens when these we men face each ether? The Joker' s ultimate victory is for the Batman, the
strangest enemy of his werld view, a persin whe refuses no matter what to break down to his level, to kill him. He
wants the Batman to kill him. He ean' t wait for Batman to do it. It will prave his paint: anyine ISBN be broken into evil,
just like him, if their pain er their reasons are strong enough.
Meanwhile the Batman is facing sameone whe is the epitemy of cruelty and senseless crime. He HAS to beat the Joker
according to his rules, to prave to himself that his rules mean samething, that they are absolute. And this is a decision
he has to face every time he eater's the Joker: do I kill him? Hew many lives will I save if I just kill him? He always
escapes Arkham.... I will be doing a good thing by ridding this werld of this supremely deranged psychopath. If only
he could break his morals in this ene ease.... this one time... fbr the greater good....
The Joker knows this. And he laughs. And he hepes.
But he also has to deal with the temptation... without the Batman he would be virtually unstoppable. Even in the werld
of DC Comics where there is Super Man, other supervillains fear him. They steer clear of him. He is tee
unpredictable, chaotic, and cruel. If only he were to kill the Batman, there is nobody out there whe understands him
enough to be able to stop him. If only he could kill the Batman... everything would be simple.
They are fighting a deeply personal, deeply ideological war. They each represent what the other ene hates the
most, and they each depend en the other to stay alive until the other bends to his will.
The last each ene of them wants is to kill the other.
It is pettie.
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#13 - sweetnothings (07/18/2013) [-]
Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight alludes a lot as to why they don't just kill each other:

"Come on, I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, hit me. *Hit me!* "

" I took Gotham’s white knight, and brought him down to our level. It wasn’t hard. Y’see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little…push. "

"You’ll see, I’ll show you, that when the chips are down, these uh… civilized people, they’ll eat each other. "

"Kill you? I don’t want to kill you! What would I do without you? Go back to ripping off mob dealers? No, no, you… you complete me. "

"You just couldn’t let me go could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible aren’t you? You won’t kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, and I won’t kill you, because you’re just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever. "
User avatar #163 to #139 - vortexrain ONLINE (07/18/2013) [-]
I ******* love that line. I have no idea why, I just do.
#71 to #13 - omgheythere (07/18/2013) [-]
and then its all ruined when Heath Ledger dies....
#8 - sickboi (07/18/2013) [-]
mfw people who just dont understand the love I have for Batman and the Joker read this post
User avatar #103 to #8 - Faz (07/18/2013) [-]
I read it as read at first. Silly me.
User avatar #213 to #103 - bushingenna (07/18/2013) [-]
I read your first read as read and your second read as read.

Oops!
#25 - xslayerxzxx (07/18/2013) [-]
Getting real tired of your **** Mr. Wayne
User avatar #224 to #25 - kyrozor ONLINE (07/18/2013) [-]
Punishers belief system is the best.

If everyone's dead, there's no one to be better than everyone else.
User avatar #207 to #25 - creepingorion (07/18/2013) [-]
But...The Punisher is a Marvel character. Batman and Joker are from DC...

YOU HAVE DISTURBED THE NATURAL ORDER
#31 to #25 - axsxylem (07/18/2013) [-]
when did this little tidbit happen?
#53 - neexx (07/18/2013) [-]
#9 - lolmasterx (07/18/2013) [-]
It's been implied several times in the comics that Batman and The Joker are reincarnations of an ancient conflict, perhaps even biblical.
So that's neat.
User avatar #10 to #9 - flemsdfer (07/18/2013) [-]
Which would explain Arkham City where you have the side quests from the mystery guy claiming "prophecy"
User avatar #14 to #10 - revanmal (07/18/2013) [-]
That's Azrael, and he's alluding to a future conflict, beyond Arkham City. It's a sequel hook.
User avatar #164 to #14 - vortexrain ONLINE (07/18/2013) [-]
I want another game. A game that takes place after Arkham City, not a prequel.
User avatar #92 to #14 - flemsdfer (07/18/2013) [-]
Yes! That. I could not remember his name for the life of me.
#89 to #9 - knowstoomuch (07/18/2013) [-]
Why is Joker Jesus and Batman the Virgin? I guess it makes sense logically, but symbolically I would think the reverse would be better because Batman is the savior, Joker is what begets the savior.
User avatar #17 to #9 - ThirteenthNova (07/18/2013) [-]
That image was a lot bigger than i thought.
#55 - undeadwill (07/18/2013) [-]
The joker is meant to be a creation that is like Batman only that in that the joker lost all he had. He's the batman with just one bad day added in where he lost everything that he loved. He was given that one last push that killed who ever he was.

Batman is still Bruce because he never lost everything but the joker had nothing in the past. They were both nobody till they added one more push. Batman's push made him the Batman and yet he was able to put the cape away and remain Bruce at the end of the night. But the joker's final push made him push back in every way he had been pushed. Because if the joker ever stopped pushing back he would return to that shell he was as the early full on emptiness and despair.

The joker is who he is because the alternative is to be nothing at all. And it is the world biggest joke that he is something from nothing. And nothing all the same.

(I repost this from time from time case someone hasn't seen it)
#90 to #55 - knowstoomuch (07/18/2013) [-]
So Bruce Wayne is a superhero because he has money/Alfred.
#28 - bewts (07/18/2013) [-]
I still completely refuse to believe that that is The Joker's official backstory, because the idea of him having NO backstory is exactly what makes him the greatest villain of all time.

In almost every adaptation or comic run, he just comes out of nowhere. He hints, strongly, at being someone The Batman used to know (usually The Red Hood), but this it is never confirmed or denied. He is also given a completely different backstory every time he offers one up, which adds to the idea that even The Joker has no idea where the **** he came from.
User avatar #115 to #28 - denniswtf (07/18/2013) [-]
I think in the new 52, Batman learns of Joker's backstory but it isn't revealed to the reader.
#252 to #28 - anon (07/18/2013) [-]
Try watching *Batman : under the red hood*. it says it in the move (witch you can find on Netflix ) that joker was the ORIGINAL red hood. key word ORIGINAL.
#51 to #28 - anon (07/18/2013) [-]
There is a backstory for The Joker, and it is the same as what's written in OP's image. Download "The killing joke" the comic revealing the backstory and coincidentally the comic heath ledger was given to inspire his portrayal of The Joker
#34 to #28 - anon (07/18/2013) [-]
I agree. As the Joker said "I like to think of it as multiple choice"
#58 - ballerfifteen (07/18/2013) [-]
batman does kill the joker in the dark knight returns. I think that batman in his old age just had enough of the clown prince
batman does kill the joker in the dark knight returns. I think that batman in his old age just had enough of the clown prince
#61 to #58 - godleftmefordead (07/18/2013) [-]
Well,tecnically the joker kills himself, but he says he wins because he made batman lose control.
User avatar #67 to #58 - esmebuffay (07/18/2013) [-]
On a separate but not unrelated note that scene was ******* awesome.
#88 to #58 - anon (07/18/2013) [-]
spoiler alert
#106 to #58 - cactusapple (07/18/2013) [-]
Batman breaks Jokers neck which paralyzes him but Joker is the one who kills himself when he straightens his neck severing his spinal cord.
User avatar #127 to #58 - aqwtg (07/18/2013) [-]
he killed robin disguised as joker
#265 to #127 - cydom (07/20/2013) [-]
That's The Dark Knight Strikes Again I believe. If the one you're thinking of had Hal Jordan in it and Lex Luthor was the antagonist then I'm afraid I'm correct. However, that too was an important part of the Dark Knight mythos.
#63 to #58 - cydom (07/18/2013) [-]
Actually in The Dark Knight Returns it's more about the decline of The Batman as a figure and a symbol. See Batman is old now, he's too slow to stop him and too old to carry on fighting him. When they finally meet Joker manages to repeatedly stab him and as a final, desperate attempt he snaps the Jokers neck.

Which the Joker finds incredibly funny, if disappointing. He finds it disappointing that even at the end he never had the guts to finish him - all it would have taken was an ounce or more of pressure but Batman just can't do it. Joker then waits until all the hostages are done and with a final shrieking laugh twists his own neck and breaks it, taunting him that they'll never know he never had the guts to do it.

To him the fact that he's broken Batman down to this point where he was willing, if not ultimately able, to kill him is victory enough as once again, this is about the destruction of The Dark Knight. He didn't kill him? That's fine, because all Joker has to do is die and then the Batman becomes a fugitive, destroying every shred of legitimacy he's ever built. In the end, whilst it was impossible to ever break Batman's spirit, he's done the next best thing in destroying the image of the Dark Knight.

That's why when the plastic explosives have gone off and Bruce looks back at the charred, flaming body, he tells it to stop laughing at him. Because the Joker was the one who finally pulled the trigger on the big bad bat. Maybe not quite the man beneath the mask, but the next best thing - he broke the symbol down until that bright, 1960's hero is gone and replaced by the almost fascist leader we see by the end of the book.
User avatar #263 to #63 - YllekNayr (07/19/2013) [-]
What is "the dark knight returns"?
#264 to #263 - cydom (07/20/2013) [-]
It was a graphic novel by Frank Miller, if you want to read it give me a PM and I'll see if I can send you over the PDF file I have of it. The basic premise is an older, bitter Bruce Wayne, after years in retirement following the death of Robin, once again dons the cape and cowl. The difference is whilst not a killer and not breaking any of his rules, this is a more ruthless, bitter and dark Batman.

It gave an insight into him, and also very importantly some of his key villains which are now considered to be an essential part of his character. It was beautifully written and illustrated perfectly. It got down to what Bruce Wayne would be like as a person, especially after his idealistic youth is gone and the campy, bright spark that was Robin has been killed off for good, so that we're left with this severely damaged man and his eternal war against crime.
User avatar #209 to #63 - atrocitustheking (07/18/2013) [-]
That scene makes way more sense now.
#68 to #63 - fellatio (07/18/2013) [-]
Wait...no...joker snapped his own neck and made it look like batman did it
#70 to #68 - cydom (07/18/2013) [-]
Yea. Batman snaps his neck, but can't bring himself to kill the Joker. Just paralyzes him. Joker then laughs in his face because now the world will never know he never actually had the guts to kill him before breaking his own neck so that it will look like Batman murdered him.
#44 - MaverickZero (07/18/2013) [-]
Meanwhile, in Asgard...
#158 - anon (07/18/2013) [-]
If you were to look at which two philosophers represent these two characters it would be Emanuel Kant, and Friedrich Nietzsche representing Batman and the Joker respectively.
#217 to #158 - theoriginaltwat (07/18/2013) [-]
That is a very good point. You get my thumb
#168 to #158 - mavericjones (07/18/2013) [-]
I thought the same thing. Blew me away when I saw someone who knows about philosophy. Thumb for you, sir.
I thought the same thing. Blew me away when I saw someone who knows about philosophy. Thumb for you, sir.
User avatar #177 to #158 - foelkera (07/18/2013) [-]
Or Locke and Hobbes.
User avatar #128 to #108 - duvallwhitey (07/18/2013) [-]
*little green
#198 - jokervsbatsy (07/18/2013) [-]
...or you could just sum it up in this pic
User avatar #113 - lightninghedgehog (07/18/2013) [-]
here, batman explains it himself at the 1:30 mark Batman Under The Red Hood - Ending Scene [Good Quality]
User avatar #97 - kwanzalord (07/18/2013) [-]
Often times batman asks the Joker "will you stop? you know you can stop."

Joker: "it's too late for me"

and other times when other villains are about to kill batman, Joker will interfere or even kill them to keep batman alive.
#94 - Awesomecarrot (07/18/2013) [-]
That's ******* cool
#131 - flufflepuff (07/18/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
#73 - newforomador (07/18/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
The Batman Chronicles - Official Teaser
#99 to #73 - sengenjin ONLINE (07/18/2013) [-]
******* AWESOME
#160 to #73 - chirpychups (07/18/2013) [-]
Omfg that. That gif. He seems like a nice handsome guy but his facial expression is soo perfect when he smiles. god damn
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