slash thread. i mean /thread, please don't mention Slash you piece of inb4 abortion argument .. Did the lightbulb just replace "pro-choicers" with "Islamists"? God damn it DJ 4DM1Nn Slash thread abortion 420 kill germs every day
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#1 - minsheme [OP]
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(07/11/2013) [-]
Did the lightbulb just replace "pro-choicers" with "Islamists"? God damn it DJ 4DM1Nn
#4 to #1 - anon
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(07/11/2013) [-]
I think that's supposed to be on other planets, not pro-choicers, judging by the relative position.
#22 to #4 - martycamp
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#66 to #22 - drfaust
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(07/12/2013) [-]
i want it to be true so bad, laughing my ass off
#93 to #4 - errdayimfjing
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Are you calling him wrung?
#5 - miklthepikl
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(07/11/2013) [-]
mfw a fetus in that stage cannot be aborted
mfw a fetus in that stage cannot be aborted
#145 to #5 - kronosowns
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#7 to #5 - finni
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(07/11/2013) [-]
You have a point
#9 to #5 - kaslin
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#33 to #5 - merrymarvelite
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
#94 to #5 - Snowplows ONLINE
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Someone hasn't tried plan C yet.
#38 to #5 - bitey
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Not with that attitude it can't.
Not with that attitude it can't.
#20 to #5 - Penn
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(07/11/2013) [-]
...legally
#13 - gameshredder
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(07/11/2013) [-]
wtachu say u cheeky kunt? Ill reck u m8
#8 - mogarman
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(07/11/2013) [-]
I kill 99.99% of them...
#44 - cloudstrifeownsall
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I have good opinions...everyone should read them.

I believe that abortion should only be legal when it is to save the mother. If they don't want the baby than give it to an orphanage.. There are so many couples that want nothing more than to have a child but can't. Also the debate on sentience... I think as soon as the egg and sperm come together than that is a child... if left alone in that state it will be born.. an egg or sperm by itself won't do anything but together, that's what begins the child's life. I'm pro choice haha.... but by that I mean if you decide to have an abortion you are taking away the child's choice.. it never got a chance to be happy. I think suicide should be legal also... We should have the right to choose wether we want to live a ****** life or be free from it.

TLR I like Moral debates and I feel strongly about what is right. I enjoy talking about it so if you want just message me and we can debate.
#72 to #44 - thepandaking
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I don't care to get into a debate, and a few of your points are parallel to what I think, but I'd just like to say don't start out with "I have good opinions... everyone should read them" or add on things like "I feel strongly about what is right" the first one because that sounds arrogant unless you mean it in jest which will never be translated correctly in text, and the second because that's a fallacy in debates if you basically say "I believe in what is right, that's why my argument is so."

Just saying, for you to have a friendlier, open minded experience when bringing up controversial topics.
#84 to #44 - watergate
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I hate abortion except for rape/incest.............rapists/incest.i...e....r....................s.......uh. m............................no incest , k?
#46 to #44 - anon
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(07/12/2013) [-]
tl;dr*
#47 to #46 - cloudstrifeownsall
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I didn't even notice that... I'm not fond of the emoticons.....
#48 to #44 - anon
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I understand your opinion but I must disagree on the orphanage idea. It's not like there's a high demand for children but there aren't any, actually it's the opposite. Each day 38,493 orphans age out of the system, so if there were a lot of couples adopting kids like your post implies then that number wouldn't be so high. I'm sorry but orphanages aren't a great place to raise a child and there was a study that violence towards these kids is 6 times higher than if they were raised in a foster family.

I don't think putting a child in that situation is the best, if you can find a couple that will adopt it right off the bat then I agree that you should do that instead of aborting the child. But don't doom it to grow up in an orphanage with the "hopes" that they will get adopted eventually.
#50 to #48 - cloudstrifeownsall
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Although obviously an orphanage isn't ideal, I believe that in spite of growing up there there is still a chance for them to have a great life.... Maybe I'm blinded by something that keeps me from seeing the reality of it but I feel like growing up in an orphanage is better than not growing up at all....I had an argument one time with a guy whose whole basis for being for abortion was that we have too many people on earth lol... I know overpopulation is a thing but surely that doesn't make it ok... right?... anyway.. thank you for being kind in your reply.. thumbs for you anon
#52 to #44 - anon
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I feel that if C-sections were allowed on people who are gonna give up the baby the number of abortions would decrease.
#56 to #52 - cloudstrifeownsall
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Probably so... I didn't know it was like that but I believe you are right about that.
#97 to #44 - anon
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I agree, but so you know, conception, when a woman is officially pregnant is about a week after the sperm fertilizes the egg. In fact, fertilization doesn't necessarily mean a child will be born. Some eggs are fertilized and then the egg will be released and the woman starts.
#98 to #44 - anon
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Excuse me Captain O'FleaBrain, but suicide can't be illegal, if you succeed in suicide, no ******* point in punishing you by law, ATTEMPTED suicide on the other hand; that you can still do something about.
#120 to #44 - anon
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Suicide is illegal? what
#160 to #44 - anon
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All fetuses are human children and there is NEVER an excuse to bort one. Nevermind what people who are the knowing or unknowing pawns of the devil say.
#176 to #44 - cloudstrifeownsall
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(07/12/2013) [-]
wow... It's amazing how many people are completely ok with killing unborn children. I'm sorry my messages are too hard for some to understand. I assumed people knew what morality was... I should have said I feel strongly about what I believe to be right and am usually good at convincing people using morality that my opinion on a subject is right. Morality is subjective so unless you have a decent argument about why it is right or wrong to get rid of a fetus than **** off with your grammar complaints.
#117 to #44 - dederplaol
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I thought you said you had good opinions, you ******* liar
#75 to #44 - shadowhorn
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(07/12/2013) [-]
So if a girl gets raped and gets pregnant, she's, let's say, 17, she MUST have the baby? her whole life down the drain.
#121 to #75 - kalendric
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Republican Todd Akin: Victims of "Legitimate" Rape Don't Get Pregnant looks like you could use an anatomy lesson courtesy of the republican party
#49 to #44 - thedumbledore
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Sorry, you don't have fully thought out opinions. Absolutely correct me if I am wrong.

As we currently stand, not all children get adopted. With a massive amount of new babies coming into any care system, but the same not said for prospective adoptive parents, this will become more prevalent.

The number I came across in regards to abortion (taking the US for an example) is about 1.3 million. Now, some of this number would come into the care system (going by what you think should be done) every year for a good number of years.

Supporting these children would take thousands more care workers, psychiatrists and care homes. In 2001 there were 1.5 million kids adopted in the US. There would be the regular amount in care, plus a share of the 1.3 million unwanted children from pregnancies.
That amounts to a lot of troubled kids, and a lot of money needed to support them.

Also, the mother would have to face the medical charges of the birth I think, and face the physical ramification and possible complications of birthing the child.

So, uh, my opinion is that it is safer and simpler to get rid of it when it's just a teeny-tiny balls of cells, should an unintended pregnancy occur. I also hold the opinion that the life if a living, breathing human being with a job or an education to consider trumps that of something that is just a ball of cells without the ability to feel or think. It does not have the ability to make a choice, it's just cells. I do believe that there should be a time limit, though.

Abortion should be legal but a last option, better sex ed and better birth control availability should come first.
#53 to #49 - thedumbledore
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(07/12/2013) [-]
So all in all, it's far more complicated than 'just stick it in an orphanage'. As someone else pointed out, these statistics do not account for people ageing out of the care system. Plus, kids in care their whole lives or bouncing for foster home to foster home are more likely to a) live in poverty and b) face mental issues.
#141 to #49 - axeaddonis
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(07/12/2013) [-]
I just want to mention that there's evidence that having legal abortion keeps crime rates lower as well.

If I remember correctly it's because the people that, statistically, are most likely to get an abortion are also most likely to have children that end up committing crimes.
#111 to #49 - zeusx
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(07/12/2013) [-]
absolutely beautiful response
#122 to #49 - bkceallaigh
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(07/12/2013) [-]
The sad thing is is that more than naught, abortions are used to get rid of a hindrance. I believe it's a child as soon as the egg meets the sperm, true, but once that mistake--or choice--is made, there shouldn't be an easy way out. We've all been through sex-ed, it's a joke. What we need are parents and people that care to do more than just awkwardly speak to us about sex. Give is ultimatums, god, I know that if I ever had sex and my dad found out, he'd beat my ass. Maybe they need a wake-up call.
I supposed I'm so worried about this because of my mother. Being the way she was, I have no doubt I would have been aborted, had my father not intervened. Maybe I haven't made an effort to society, and maybe I am just a waste of space, but I do have a life and a heart and I'm very happy for that. We don't need to baby people, but we need to give them a chance. Forget the whole "don't try this at home" thing. We didn't used to be dumbasses.
#170 to #122 - thedumbledore
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Abortion isn't really an easy way out. With most decisions, we have many options. This is give birth and keep/give away a ******* child and face repercussions or get rid of it when it is entirely insignificant.

Oh yes, that sounds like fantastic parenting. Have sex and get a beating. Sex is not a bad thing in the slightest, people just need to be safe. By the by, sex ed it not a joke if one listens. Unless you were taught abstinence only, which is the preferred choice of pro-lifer's for some really odd reason.

As I stated, having an abortion is not 'babying' people. It's pretty much the only choice for some women. The only thing banning abortion would do is allow for more deaths in back ally clinics, more poverty and lesser rights for women in the workplace and home.
You would a foetus above everything else in someone's life without pause. That's bloody stupid. As I said, this would eventually (when companies will no longer pay for maternity leave) cost women their education and jobs. It would wreck lives.

'We didn't used to be dumbasses'- what? Clearly not, if your mother was genuinely forced to carry you. Guess what? Similar thing happened to my friends's mother when she was carrying her second child.

Drank herself and the foetus to death. So, congratulations on having a totally ill conceived opinion that puts something incapable of thought or feeling, that could not be capable of life outside the woman above everything else.
#177 to #170 - bkceallaigh
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Believe me. It IS the easy way out. Sex is a beautiful thing, that may be true, but in the hands of children, it is wrong. Unless you take into account that they could get pregnant, and aborting the fetus is not an option, then how will this ever stop? If you make your bed, lay in it. It's hard, it's difficult, some parents even put the child up for adoption--which is better than letting it get pulled from the womb.
Beating is used as a "scared-straight" outcome. Going into sex, most people know what the repercussions are. Getting to get rid of the fetus time and time again isn't going to stop teens from getting pregnant. Nip it in the bud and actually be a parent.
There are many choices for women. When I had sex, I thought there was a chance of me getting pregnant. If I didn't know that chance, then I wasn't educated enough. And when I spread my legs and do the deed knowing full well that I could get pregnant, abortion is just an easy route so that mommy and daddy won't get mad, so that I don't have to struggle and think about someone other than myself, and so that I can continue life any way I want. More deaths in back alley clinics is also a cause for natural selection. If you harm yourself in that way, then you're the idiot that was pulling human-kind down. When you go into sex, you need to know the repercussions and if you don't want a child, don't do it! It's not that hard. The "we didn't used to be dumbasses" thing also goes with natural selection, telling the people who want to do stupid things--to do it. They're the ones that came up with that idea. It's not what the fetus is NOW, it's what it CAN be. But now, I can't get pregnant due to medical reasons. If the fetus is a harm to the mother physically, that should be the only reason it should be aborted. Not because you don't want to DEAL with it.
#180 to #177 - thedumbledore
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We are done here. You're too ludicrous to talk to, and for someone so young very set in your ways.
Maybe daddy beat them into you, I have no idea.

I replied to the original comment saying things are not as simple as 'stick it in an orphanage' and gave possible complications, you are just waffling on not even considering these things. Your whole 'ultimatum' theory swings on the idea that beatings actually work, which they do not. All it does is cause other problems along with the current one, go have a look at some child psychology studies.

'if you don't want a child, don't do it'. You do realise sex is a basic human urge, right? We are programmed to breed. Abstinence does not work, teen pregnancy statistics show you this.

'More deaths in back alley clinics is also a cause for natural selection'. You're ok with the death of a living human and putting a family in turmoil, but not with disposing with a ball of cells? Phaha.

Yes, some people I will just not talk to. Thank you and goodnight.
#116 to #49 - iamkluver
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(07/12/2013) [-]
This is completely irrelevant to the original content, but wouldn't a need for more care workers and such help with unemployment?
#55 to #49 - cloudstrifeownsall
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I completely agree that Sex education and responsibility should come first... My main reasoning with the orphanage choice is my belief that growing up less privileged or even homeless still presents the opportunity for happiness in that person's life.. How do you feel about gay marriage? Even if you don't agree with it, if that was legalized that would open up tons and tons of possible adoptions.
#58 to #55 - thedumbledore
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Well, I was just pointing out an issue with the whole thing. My main issue is the mother. Most abortions happen in the first trimester, where its a ******* nothing.

She might have to drop out of education, she might lose her job. If all these 1.3 million women have to take maternity leave every year, companies will get pissed and will probably fight to change the law regarding it.

It may leave a lot of these women in a vulnerable emotional state, lose their chances at a future or with no money. Also, pregnancy is not a pretty thing. Imagine being forced to carry a child you do not want, being sick every day, puffy and sore, then facing the bill, pain of labour and possible complications? It would be awful. That's not good for the mother or the child.

I have no issue with people disagreeing with abortion, but having the opinion that this should be forced into law, I sort of take issue with.

gay marriage? Totally for it. By the way, unmarried gay couples can adopt in most of america, I think.
So it's sort of irrelevant to the discussion.
#60 to #58 - cloudstrifeownsall
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Anyway... thank's for taking the time to reply and not being a dick about it like a lot of people are. I've got class in the morning but if anyone wants to talk about anything like religion or politics or morals than I will reply as soon as I get back. Goodnight to all
#100 to #60 - ICEDgrunge
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If you don't want people to be dickish to you, it'd be a good start to never head your paragraph by "I have good opinions." No one ever has good opinions.
#59 to #58 - cloudstrifeownsall
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I wasn't aware that gay couple could adopt. That's great. I think the main reason I disagree with it is because your weighing these things against a human life.... The sex education and the responsibility should help but for the people that are out just ******* for the hell of it turning around and saying they shouldn't pay the consequences and pretty much deciding it is worth another humans life so they don't have to go through with the pregnancy is just ****** to me.
#62 to #59 - thedumbledore
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Well, I am pretty sure they can in all places. Then again, some odd law might exist in some states, I don't know as I am not an American.

To me, it is not yet an actual life. It's a thing that requires 9 months of carrying and leeching off another, with no sentience and can not feel pain at the time of termination VS an actual living, self supporting human being to me. By the way, there are often consequences after pregnancy too. Hormonal changes, scarring and tearing and terrible mental conflict would be things to consider.

That's where we have different opinions, and that's ok. That is just us viewing life differently, and I can sort of grasp where you are coming from although I do not agree with you.

People who do things for the ******* hell of it will always exist. They are just stupid people. Some people jump off building while drunk, should we not give them medical attention so they can 'face the consequences'?

It's when you bring law in to it, I think is wrong. On something so open to interpretation and to have it cheaper, simpler and less traumatic for both parties, I don't think it should be totally not an option.

It's difficult this, but it's truly just down to what you consider life.
#64 - anon
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(07/12/2013) [-]
So a fetus is considered life?
#78 to #64 - anon
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Actually, yes.

What would you consider it?
#86 to #78 - mercyburris
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(07/12/2013) [-]
food
#95 to #86 - kiratheunholy
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Cannibalism reigns supreme.
#132 to #78 - anon
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It's more like a parasite. It can't live on it's own and it absorbs the nutrients you consume.
#10 - thewaronbeingcool
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(07/11/2013) [-]
Maybe it's because humans aren't special in any way shape or form? There's like seven billion of us. Who gives a **** if a few get killed early?

Life on other planets is a big deal though, because there's no current proof of it.
#146 to #10 - Anemophobia
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you're a dick and I hope you an find some happiness in your life so you don't feel this way again
#27 to #10 - anon
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I'm not entirely sure if this person is being cynical or serious.
#40 to #10 - anon
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you are an asshole, just imagine that life ending early being someone you care about. If of course you are capable of such feeling
#68 to #10 - anon
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We should just kill you, then. You're nothing special.
#77 to #10 - anon
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Alright then, go die. No big deal.

Oh wait.
#161 to #10 - anon
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All humans ARE very special, even you champ. Killing babies is wrong.
#163 to #161 - thewaronbeingcool
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(07/12/2013) [-]
But alien life is more special, making it more valuable than humans.
#26 to #10 - wliia
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That argument is **** and you know it.

I guess you wouldn't feel any pain at all if someone killed your child/ mother/ father/ girlfriend/ anyone who you're close to because hell, they don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

Hell, you don't even matter. So if someone screws you over you shouldn't really care. Not a big deal.
#28 to #26 - thewaronbeingcool
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Most people who are alive are important to at least one other person. They're aren't special, but they're important to someone.

A fetus is aborted before it becomes important to anyone. No one will miss it.

#29 to #28 - wliia
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That's completely different then. You made the point that humans aren't important because there are 7 billion of us, therefore it is okay to kill the unborn, as they are unimportant humans.

Maybe I'm having trouble reading between the lines, but what I saw was a bunch of nihilistic cryings of "life doesn't matter anyways"
#150 to #29 - nsfwbrowserv
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Care to get even more serious and concerned over the internet?
Care to talk more about morals and other such things over the internet?
Care to actually get more offended by something someone said over the internet?
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Anyway, obviously you saw "nihilistic cryings" because you didn't bother interpreting what he could've meant in any other way than what you saw from your own emotional viewpoint. From what I can see he was speaking in the grand scheme of things, not from a personal viewpoint of 'everyone should just die'.
#178 to #150 - wliia
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I wasn't really offended, but I was really surprised that that many people supported him when what I saw was a really dumb argument.

If that is what he was saying then he should have said it. I wasn't interpreting anything. His argument would have made sense (and when he clarified it did) but from his original post alone, he was saying that "doesn't matter if people die cuz nothing matters since there are so many of us."
#181 to #178 - nsfwbrowserv
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Logically the only one who can determine what he "said" is himself, and whenever we read something or hear something we're simply interpreting what we think it means. It's not like we can read minds (we aren't ALL asians) therefore we can only try to understand what he meant, we can never know for sure since we have no idea what he's thinking.

You thought he said that, but just because you think something doesn't mean it's a definite fact for everyone.

To me it's obvious that people would actually care, so it's not even worth mentioning.
It's as if a someone saved the world and his mentality was "Who gives a **** if a few people die? The world's worth more." Though it may be a crude way of saying it, it still makes sense without being completely unreasonable.

When he says thewaron says "Who gives a **** if a few get killed early?" it's not meant to be taken too literally in the sense that "no one cares when people die, and everyone should die", it's meant to be taken into the perspective that humans that aren't even born yet are technically worth less (since there's a higher quantity of human life) than alien life on a different planet.
#182 to #181 - nsfwbrowserv
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Of course that's also just how I perceive things, and I could also be wrong.
#31 to #29 - thewaronbeingcool
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I'm saying that there are over seven billion humans alive, but no current proof of alien life.

So alien life is currently rarer than human life, so it's inherently more valuable.
#179 to #31 - wliia
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Well that really depends doesn't it?

You're talking about an actual human life here. Someone with feelings, someone who has a family and a life. Would you really value a space, say, insect over a human life?

How about here on earth? I could be mistaken, but I think humans outnumber cows by a fairly large number. Would you go out and kill a person if it meant saving a cow?

Life's value isn't based solely on rarity. We're not trading cards.
#151 to #31 - smarkles
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(07/12/2013) [-]
That's ****** up, man. Everyone's valuable.
#25 - ofmiceandmen
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(07/12/2013) [-]
Are you speaking of Vunter Slaush?
#69 - gryphemthegryphon ONLINE
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(07/12/2013) [-]
That baby looks like it's way past the point where abortion is legal anyways.
#87 - allamericandude
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The problem with the abortion debate is that both sides are "libertarian", depending on your perspective. Weird/religious arguments aside, both sides of the debate are basically correct. One side is protecting the rights of the mother, the other is protecting the rights of the child.

But of course the media doesn't see it that way. They see it in terms of eye-popping emotionally-charged headlines like "Abortion Slaughterhouse Exposed" or "GOP Wages War on Women". And that mindset has taken over most of the public and Congress, thus removing any chance of having a serious debate.

And it really should be taken seriously. It's one of the last real moral/philosophical qualms of the modern world, next to the death penalty and suicide. Where does one person's rights end and another person's rights begin? What constitutes life? What constitutes a human being? What constitutes consciousness? What is consciousness? These aren't easy questions.