LotR Facts: Part 6. Derpy derp Dwarves herpa derp TOM BOMBADILLO! I highly encourage you all to read The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, The Silmarilion and Children LOTR facts Part 6
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LotR Facts: Part 6

LotR Facts: Part 6. Derpy derp Dwarves herpa derp TOM BOMBADILLO! I highly encourage you all to read The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, The Silmarilion and Children

Derpy derp Dwarves herpa derp TOM BOMBADILLO! I highly encourage you all to read The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, The Silmarilion and Children of Hurin, they are like the best books ever and I get all my info and facts from those books. I am not a Tolkien guru by any means, I've just read the books ;)
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Part 4: /funny_pictures/4674192/LotR+Facts+Part+4/
Part 3: /funny_pictures/4672258/LotR+Facts+Part+3/
Part 2: /funny_pictures/4670579/LotR+Facts+Part+2/
Part 1: /funny_pictures/4669343/Lord+of+the+Rings+Facts/

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#37 - beerholder (07/11/2013) [-]
"Boromir had a real hardon for saving Gondor"
"Dain Ironfoot rolls a 20 and gets a critical hit on Azog"

Needless to say, we'll see you on the frontpage
User avatar #51 to #37 - ydosac (07/11/2013) [-]
**ydosac rolls 59**
User avatar #52 to #51 - ydosac (07/11/2013) [-]
not even close to rolling 20
#7 - colfer (07/10/2013) [-]
My voice was heard, thank you galgawine. I would like to know about Minas Morgul and the ringwraiths. Wasn't it men who built Minas Morgul (and the Black Gate) but it fell to the ringwraiths?
My voice was heard, thank you galgawine. I would like to know about Minas Morgul and the ringwraiths. Wasn't it men who built Minas Morgul (and the Black Gate) but it fell to the ringwraiths?
User avatar #8 to #7 - galgawine ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
Yup, Minas Morgul was the Capital of Ithilien once upon a time but the ring-wraiths conquered it and made it their own dark city. The Black Gate was originally made by Gondorians to keep Sauron in Mordor but they let down their guard after a few centuries and Sauron took that too and uses it now to keep people OUT of Mordor. Same story with Cirith Ungol, the Castle near where Shelob lives.
#10 to #8 - colfer (07/10/2013) [-]
Your knowledge is vast, I bow before thee
User avatar #11 to #8 - hypex ONLINE (07/10/2013) [-]
can you do one about special and weird one of a kind creatures? (for example shelob)
#34 to #8 - kingoflint (07/11/2013) [-]
Minas Morgul was Minas Ithil at that time, yes?
User avatar #36 to #34 - galgawine ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
When the Gondorians owned it yeah, the Nazgul renamed it Minas Morgul when they conquered it
#5 - kingsombra (07/10/2013) [-]
Extremely long and timeconsuming lord of the rings gif time?    
Extremely long and timeconsuming lord of the rings gif time.
Extremely long and timeconsuming lord of the rings gif time?
Extremely long and timeconsuming lord of the rings gif time.
#18 to #5 - mygfspillow (07/10/2013) [-]
Well worth a watch. I applaud you!
#49 to #5 - honkan (07/11/2013) [-]
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
#43 to #5 - huszti (07/11/2013) [-]
Comment Picture
#21 - antzell (07/11/2013) [-]
semi related gif
semi related gif
#64 - gaffateip (07/11/2013) [-]
Keep it up OP, I love these
User avatar #2 - crazylance (07/10/2013) [-]
Is there a part about the Nazguls and the Witch King?
If not, any chance you can get any thing at them?
User avatar #55 - tias (07/11/2013) [-]
I see ringwraiths, The Witch King and Minas Morgul being requested a lot. They would be awesome for the next part!
But I'd also like to know more about dragons, ents, balrogs etc. You know, the creatures of Middle Earth.
#20 - schmuxy (07/10/2013) [-]
You are awesome.
You are awesome.
#80 - hotschurl (07/11/2013) [-]
"rolls a 20 and gets a critical hit on Azog"
"rolls a 20 and gets a critical hit on Azog"
#83 - whatasickname (07/11/2013) [-]
That is pretty ****** metal
#70 - lordraine (07/11/2013) [-]
The Tom Bombadil thing is actually not correct. We know what Tom is because we know what's been implied by his appearance.

Claiming that Tom is "the personification of the Earth," and is thus unaffected, is an old theory about what he is, but it's also factually incorrect. The power Sauron wields can corrupt the Earth. The spiders represent that, as do the Wargs and a few other things. The One Ring holds the power to poison and corrupt the earth and all things upon it, because of how it was wrought (which is another explanation entirely involving Melkor and what the elves were trying to do when they made their three rings).

Furthermore, Toms own statements place him at a point 'before' the Earth began. He didn't awaken at the first drops of rain, or was born the moment the light came into being. He bore witness to them taking place. He was already present before they happened, in other words. He remembers the before time, when there was only darkness and it was not terrible, because evil had not yet come into it

Tom isn't "the Earth."

The only explanation that's made sense is that Tom is one of the Ainur, or the Primal Spirits created by Iluvatar, who is essencially YHWH. The Ainur, not quite Archangels and not quite polytheistic gods, but in the same general category, sang the world into being, at Iluvatar's prompting.

Many of them descended to Arda, or the world, afterwards, for various reasons. Of them, there were fourteen that we know by name, that were greater than the others. Those that were great were known as the Valar, and were in essence gods. Those that were lesser were known as the Maiar, and were rather like demigods. Gandalf, Saruman, Sauron, and Radaghast are all Maiar, just for reference.

Tom must be one of the Ainur. There is no other thing he could be. The debate is not what he is, but rather, which ONE is he. There are many theories as to this.

I have my own, if any cares to hear it, but he can't be a personification of the Earth.
User avatar #95 to #70 - ljxjlos ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
You´re actually not entirely right, yourself, either.

Tolkien actually said that Tom is neither Eru Illuvatar himself, nor one of the Ainur, in a letter. It´s still a popular theory.

But we already know that there are creatures that haven´t been created by the song of Eru and the Ainur, Ungoliath for example, or the creatures under Durins Bridge, that Gandalf stated to be older than Sauron, who like himself, was present at the creation of Arda.
User avatar #121 to #70 - beerterror (07/11/2014) [-]
It's been a year from this comment, so don't be upset for my lurking.

Although entirely apocryphical, Nik PIerumov's "The Ring of Darkness" trilogy delivers some interesting concepts, basically that the lore from "Valaquenta" and such is just what the Vala cared to infrom elves about, and it leaves much more to be learned about the beginnings of Arda. I think Tom could be from an entire different race of spiritual beings, much like Ungoliant. Also the creation of Eru, but not of the Ainur. Spirits on the level of Maia, yet different in nature, perhaps more connected with elements.
#122 to #121 - lordraine (07/11/2014) [-]
I'm not upset at all. I'm always happy to have a civil exchange.

Tom was able to handle the One Ring without being affected by it's power. What's more, he was even able to wear it, and the ring not only held no sway over him, but it did not alert Sauron when he put it on.

Tom Mastered the One Ring. He forced it to obey him, in defiance of the Ring's own nature, and in defiance of Sauron's power. Even Aragorn could not have done that.

Because of that, the list of things he 'could' be is incredibly short. Pretty much any spiritual being that isn't a Valar or Illuvatar himself is automatically disqualified, simply because spiritual beings are more vulnerable to the corruption of the Ring, not less so. This is why the eagles couldn't simply fly them to Mordor. They are Spirits of the Wind, and would be unable to resist the call of the Ring.

The only way Tom could have done what he did is if he either wasn't a spirit at all (which is extremely improbable, as you probably well know), or if he outranked Sauron in terms of power, which means Tom must be be greater than the Maiar. That means he must be one of the Valar, if he isn't Illuvatar.

My theory is that he is Aulë. Aulë was one of the Valar, and the Lord of the Forge. He is the Master of the Earth and All Things Within It, and his domain extends to all things that are forged by working hands.
#123 to #122 - lordraine (07/11/2014) [-]
Aulë is the strongest candidate for three reasons. The first is the absolute mastery he showed over the One Ring. It held no power over him whatsoever. It did not even tempt him. If he was Aulë, this makes perfect sense. The One Ring was forged and crafted, and is made from the metals of the Earth. Not only would it hold no power over him whatsoever, but he would hold absolute power over it, superseding any claim Sauron had.

The second reason is his own words. He cared nothing for owning the ring. This mirrors Aulë's own words at the Dawn. Aulë cares nothing for ownership or possession of objects: only the making of them. This is a virtue that did not extend to the race Aulë created, the dwarves, and remains to this day arguably their greatest weakness: they lust and covet material wealth above all other things.

The third and final reason is Goldberry. Of the Valar Lords and the Valar Queens, only two sets of couples are known to exist. The first is Manwe, King of the Valar, and his bride Varda, Queen of the Stars. The second is Aulë, Lord of the Forge, and his beloved wife Yavanna, Giver of Fruits.

Now, an argument could be made that Tom was Manwe. While Aulë has a powerful connection to Arda and an explicit connection to all crafted things and the materials that come from the earth, it could not be denied that Manwe could likely dominate the One Ring with ease. His power is truly great.

However, Goldberry changes the game. When the Hobbits leave Tom's abode, they see Goldberry's outline shiver and fade away. Her hair becomes like the gold of wheat, and her eyes and lips become like ripened fruits. For a moment, they see her not as a human, but as a personification of the harvest and bounty of the land.

This sort of appearance and description would never apply to Varda. She is the Queen of the Stars, the Highest Holies of the Elven peoples. She would appear as terrible light and piercing song.

But that description would certainly apply to Yavanna.
#124 to #123 - lordraine (07/11/2014) [-]
Thus I conclude that the most probable identity of Tom Bombadil is Aulë, Lord of the Forge, and that Goldberry, Tom's wife, is none other than Yavanna, Giver of Fruits. It explains everything. Tom's casual mastery of the One Ring, the presence and nature of Yavanna. Even why he would want to see the Hobbits off is explained by this: Sauron, before being corrupted by Melkor, was one of Aulë's Maiar, and Curumo, otherwise known as Saruman, was also one of the Maiar beneath Aulë's banner.

Both Sauron and Saruman represent the corrupting powers that can be derived from industry and the works wrought by reaching hands. They are the wickedness of industry, in contrast to Aulë, who holds pure the ideal of creating things for creation's own sake, seeking not to own the land or the works of his hands, but to give them away, to teach and protect.

Sauron and Saruman are both, in a way, Aulë's responsibility. So even though, in being a Valar, his own hands are tied, it makes sense that he would take interest in any endeavors made that were cast against their wickedness.

Thus, the reason for Tom being there to help the Hobbits in a time of need and wish them well on their journey makes perfect sense. He knows that Sauron and Saruman are the ultimate foes they must face, and he wants to wish them well and give them his blessing in their quest.

That's why I believe that Tom is a Valar. I think Tom Bombadil is Aulë, and Goldberry is Yavanna.
User avatar #125 to #124 - beerterror (07/11/2014) [-]
That's astoundingly far-fetched, yet even more surprisingly well-grounded theory. I concur that it is possible for Tom and Goldberry to be in fact Aule and Yavanna, though we can't assume it to be true without any literal statements from the Source (or Logoz perhaps?) - I mean Christopher.
Still, let me present my argument. I can't spend too much time making such an elaborate response, so it would be much more crude. My trail of thought goes like this:

One Ring is a part of Sauron's essence --> Sauron is a Maia of Ainur --> the power differs in magnitude but not in nature among the Ainur --> Morgoth was unable to control Ungoliant (who was obviously weaker than him, even after feasting on Trees and Varda's Wells) ---> Tom could be somehow similar in nature to Ungoliant, who was always described to something entirely different to Maia.

Also, someway among the Council in Rivendell was asked whether Tom controls the Ring, and I think Gandalf answered that no, the Ring doesn't control Tom. So in my opinion it's more of incompatibility in origins of their power than to difference of magnitude.
User avatar #73 to #70 - Hreidmar ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
One thing that I can point out is that I agree when you say that he can't be a personification of the Earth. But I think that he can be the personification of the IDEA of the Earth, as something unwavering and eternal. Tom Bombadil might represent the ideal of what the Earth should be.

Then again, that's just conjecture of mine. It's been a long, long time since I've read Tolien's books.
User avatar #74 to #73 - emiyashirou ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
What if Bombadil is actually Illuvatar himself. Plot Twist.
#78 to #70 - xxitzchubbsxx (07/11/2013) [-]
i want to hear your theory please.
#62 - alucord (07/11/2013) [-]
"the last stop on their rape train"

I love your posts
#54 - Rascal (07/11/2013) [-]
How about the Ents and that magic water that ****** them up?
#57 - xspeedyyyy (07/11/2013) [-]
Summoning him on BFME2 and he goes "TOM BOMBADIL!!".
mfw
#84 - friendlyanonymous (07/11/2013) [-]
Sorry if this has already been posted. Haven't made it to the comments section and I don't plan on checking.
#1 - werefell (07/10/2013) [-]
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#65 - anotherhaloguy ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
I'd heard that Dwarves were the first race...... damn elves    
Loving your stuff mate, you got anything about Ents and trolls?   
I've heard they're one in the same thing pretty much, just want to find out more
I'd heard that Dwarves were the first race...... damn elves
Loving your stuff mate, you got anything about Ents and trolls?
I've heard they're one in the same thing pretty much, just want to find out more
User avatar #86 to #65 - appleboom (07/11/2013) [-]
It seems for every thing Illuvatar created, Morgoth had to make his own version. Thus, trolls are Morgoth's twisted copy of ents.

From what we know, the dwarf father, Aule, had a wife who liked plants and stuff so she was scared ******** at the thought of dwarves hacking down trees just because. So she asked Manwe, who is all kinds of awesome btw, to make ents so they could slap the dwarves' **** if they got too cheeky on trees.

Then she rubbed it in her husbands face.
User avatar #87 to #86 - anotherhaloguy ONLINE (07/11/2013) [-]
Thanks for the help mate

I only ever knew that the trolls were like the complete opposite of the ents
User avatar #41 - trollcaptcha (07/11/2013) [-]
tom = father time. wife = mother nature.
#30 - rheago (07/11/2013) [-]
This is for you OP
User avatar #71 to #30 - xxmarkusxx (07/11/2013) [-]
Why is there an upside down ballsack in this picture?
User avatar #77 to #71 - rheago (07/11/2013) [-]
You know you love it
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