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User avatar #3 - leglesslegolegolas (07/06/2013) [-]
It's also possible that Frodo and Sam didn't die, since one needs to be immortal to gain entry to the Undying Lands, hence the name. They could've been made immortal.
User avatar #4 to #3 - galgawine (07/06/2013) [-]
The Undying Lands are called that because that's where elves and Gods live, not because it grants immortality. It's funny that you say this actually because when Sauron was captured by the Numenoreans, he told them the same thing, that being in the Undying Lands gives you immortality (this is a lie). The Numenoreans then tried to invade to seize everlasting life and were all promptly destroyed by the Gods for their arrogance.
User avatar #123 to #4 - permass (07/07/2013) [-]
It's called Valinor because the Valar live there, and its called the undying lands because Yavannas (a valar) power is flowing through all of Valinors plant life
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#92 to #4 - trollolololgabe (07/07/2013) [-]
questions to a person who obviously knows their **** ;
why does Frodo leave?
Doesn't wearing one of those crystals that the elves wear give you immortality?
I had no idea there were gods in that universe. What are they like. Do they ever go to middle earth and change things?
Why doesn't technology in that universe change at all from the time of the first war with Sauron to the time of Frodo? Isn't it a 2,000 year span where they are stuck in the medieval era?
User avatar #116 to #92 - permass (07/07/2013) [-]
on Frodo leaving: being a ring-bearer is not just keeping the ring in a chain around your neck, it eats away at your soul until nothing is left and you turn into a ring-wraith. Frodo isn´t as ****** as Sméagol(Gollum) but he still wore the ring for quite awhile(he "owned" it for around 20 years) and that took away his love for his own life. During the period from Sarumans death till he leaves middle-earth, he continually became more and more distant from the people around him, even Sam, to a point where he realized that whatever life he was hoping for, when he set out from The Shire, would never happen. so him leaving isn't as much of a sad thing, as you might think, Valinor (the undying lands) holds for the ring-bearers a hope and a chance to put the ring-war behind them. i think ill stop now even if there's still things to be said
User avatar #143 to #116 - trollolololgabe (07/10/2013) [-]
continue plz
#65 to #4 - anon (07/07/2013) [-]
But the Gods can grant immortality and probably did in the case of Sam and Frodo for being their bitches for so many years
#12 to #4 - kingnicholas (07/07/2013) [-]
Just want to make the point that the valar are closer to angels then Gods. Illuvatar is the only real God
User avatar #20 to #12 - mintea (07/07/2013) [-]
The **** is all this? I don't remember seeing this in the films. Is this stuff in the books and just not in the films, or did I just forget? (I have them, but am yet to read them.)
#23 to #20 - zaphodcoolfrood (07/07/2013) [-]
All of the back story and god stuff is in the Silmarillion.
User avatar #38 to #23 - mintea (07/07/2013) [-]
Ah, okay. Might read that if I enjoy lotr enough.
User avatar #57 to #38 - hudis (07/07/2013) [-]
Honestly, I'm personally a much bigger fan of the Silmarillion and the Children of Húrin than the LotR books. They're both very different stories from what the Fellowship is all about, and are also much darker and more serious. And they're about elves and their great wars on evil. So that's great.
#39 to #38 - jakatackka (07/07/2013) [-]
It is not an easy read, and only serious LotR fans should even attempt it. If you do, though, it's a fantastic read, covering a huge amount of lore from before the events of the more well-known books. It also helps explain the significance of some of the characters, like Elrond and Gandalf.
User avatar #40 to #39 - mintea (07/07/2013) [-]
Well I read the Hobbit, and didn't like it, but I won't judge due to it being a children's book.
Started Fellowship and not liking it so far, but I'll keep reading to see how it goes.
#41 to #40 - jakatackka (07/07/2013) [-]
Keep reading Fellowship of the Ring - it takes a while to pick up. If you finish it and don't like it, then to be honest I wouldn't continue the series, since all three books are equally good (or equally uninteresting, in your case). I definitely wouldn't recommend The Silmarillion if you didn't like The Hobbit, although if you do get into the series, The Children of Hurin is good.
User avatar #44 to #41 - mintea (07/07/2013) [-]
Children of Hurin? Huh. Never even heard of that. I'll get onto all this after I finish the latest asoif
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User avatar #11 to #4 - alekshm ONLINE (07/07/2013) [-]
User avatar #8 to #4 - ljxjlos ONLINE (07/07/2013) [-]
I actually think I´ve read a letter by tolkien where he actually stated that Sam, Frodo, Bilbo and Gimli (who later-on also arrived at the undying Lands, in a boat from the grey havens (the last one that ever set of to Valinor, I think, not sure, tho) might have lived on. Not for all eternity, but at least for longer as they would have lived in middleearth, due to the "healthy atmosphere" (sorry, I don´t know a better word right now) there...Not sure, tho, I´d have to look it up, but most of my books aren´t with me right now...

And even if they died, I like to believe that all the heroes of the ring-war will be resecurrected in the Dagor Dagorath
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