Adult Swim on piracy.. lol, goddamn adult swim. A recent report claims film piracy costs the economy billion annually We say this is super misleading. Film pira
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Adult Swim on piracy.

Adult Swim on piracy.. lol, goddamn adult swim. A recent report claims film piracy costs the economy billion annually We say this is super misleading. Film pira

lol, goddamn adult swim

A recent report
claims film piracy
costs the economy
billion annually
We say this is
super misleading.
Film piracy may cost
the film industry 20 billion
but that money still goes
into the economy.
People will buy shoes
or comic books
or cataract surgery or
even baby formula
instead of spending that
money on movie tickets.
We say film piracy
feeds babies
adult swim]
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#63 - crazyolitis (06/21/2013) [-]
TFW piracy.
#410 to #63 - matralith (06/22/2013) [-]
www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/4454334/Robin+Hood+of+the+Pirating+world/15#15

Seeing someone who got a ******** of thumbs using my picture makes me feel pretty good.
User avatar #411 to #410 - crazyolitis (06/22/2013) [-]
You did a superb job making it, kind sir. I'm also glad that you feel good because I'm getting a ******** of thumbs.
User avatar #379 to #63 - skiskate (06/21/2013) [-]
that was a good post
#128 to #63 - lamarisagoodname (06/21/2013) [-]
Oh god I remember the first time this came up
User avatar #274 to #63 - ugottanked (06/21/2013) [-]
didnt this guy pirate ********* of films and give them to soldiers?
User avatar #284 to #276 - ugottanked (06/21/2013) [-]
this man is an inspiration
User avatar #84 to #63 - rieskimo (06/21/2013) [-]
That dude is an awesome hero.
#1 - walkerjam (06/20/2013) [-]
Well, they've got a point.
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User avatar #163 to #158 - walkerjam (06/21/2013) [-]
But still, the piracy only costs the film industry money for those that would spend the money on film, but instead downloads it, the films pirated just because it's free shouldn't be included in the number in the content, as the film industry neither wins or loses any money on them.
#265 to #1 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
Don't worry, Jam, we all think the same.
#268 to #265 - walkerjam (06/21/2013) [-]
Luv you for calling me that, Anon
#4 to #1 - KBD ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
That they do, Jam, that they do.
#6 to #4 - walkerjam (06/21/2013) [-]
I like my new nickname.
I like my new nickname.
User avatar #7 - celestiasbeard (06/21/2013) [-]
I usually just waste the funds I save from piracy on the gaming or alcohol industry
#299 to #7 - makethingsworse (06/21/2013) [-]
All of the alcohol.
All of the alcohol.
User avatar #93 to #7 - masterboll (06/21/2013) [-]
i just pirate my games and alcohols
User avatar #119 to #93 - dezider **User deleted account** (06/21/2013) [-]
pirating alcohols is the best, you just copy it and you still have the original to share with others
#11 to #7 - heyzuesy ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
Still goes into the economy!
#390 to #11 - Rascal (06/22/2013) [-]
want THE GUN?? BEND OVER FOR TINEEEEE / IS ORANGE DEES COLOR/B;ACK OIS YOURS **** CALLING IN THE NIGHT!! OKAY~~ MY CHASE SAID HERES JOHHNNEEE~~ ALL EYES ON ALL-- DON'T ALL GO DOWN WITH THE DEE TAN ICKKKKKKKKK... JUST CAUSE BEE DIDN'T "PLAY IT SAFE" RUINED ALL
#247 to #11 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
ASIANS CAN ACTUALLY READ MINDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They can hear, and see what you’re visually thinking. This is the absolute complete truth!!!!!

The reason a lot of Asians have completely expressionless faces is so they don’t accidentally show facial expressions when people think things they don’t like, find funny, astonishing, etc, and Asians segregate so their not nearly as susceptible to that happening.
Asians also segregate, and are untalkative to avoid accidentally saying things that are similar to what people are thinking and going to say.

Try thinking, and visually picturing things that are as wild as you can when you are around Asians, and look for Asians who give people dirty/particular looks for what appears to be for completely no reason.

PLEASE SPREAD THE MESSAGE!!!!! THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW THIS!!!!!
#33 - liarsenic (06/21/2013) [-]
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User avatar #53 to #33 - bababadsheep (06/21/2013) [-]
Thanks you.
User avatar #229 to #33 - tehlulzbringer (06/21/2013) [-]
"a recent report claims film piracy cost the film industry $20 billion annually, this is misleading"
what?
#177 to #33 - dragoonwarrior (06/21/2013) [-]
The second frame is wrong, just FYI.
The second frame is wrong, just FYI.
User avatar #58 to #33 - kimilsung ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
tenk you comreade
#122 - stormtrooperbob (06/21/2013) [-]
I pirate anime because i can never find it anywhere else.
I pirate anime because i can never find it anywhere else.
User avatar #149 to #122 - hardongo (06/21/2013) [-]
same here bro, i do that with my precious manga which is even harder to find, heck i even learned English because of that
User avatar #183 to #149 - sabcy (06/21/2013) [-]
well may I say your printed english is impeccable.
User avatar #178 to #122 - finni (06/21/2013) [-]
you can always watch it online
animefreak.tv
#373 to #178 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
Also, illegal streaming is just as illegal as pirating, so might as well watch it in good quaility.
#371 to #178 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
Or, you can actually watch in in good quality.
#425 to #178 - Rascal (06/23/2013) [-]
Crunch roll is legit, though Hulu has more choice.
#262 to #122 - reycall (06/21/2013) [-]
another fine example of why people have to pirate it. and sorry to tell you all those online pay for anime do

a) ruin the quality

b) never give a cent to the actual studios

c) have terrible subs..... or even worse ...... dubs....


some times they don't do them all in one.. some times they have all 3..... but they are all guilty of one of these (usually a and b)
User avatar #277 to #262 - toshietosh (06/21/2013) [-]
What's the problem with dubs? Yhea, sometimes they're terrible but in other times they're glorious such as the Cowboy Bebop dub.

And I agree that online anime is ******* awful.
User avatar #140 to #122 - lurifax (06/21/2013) [-]
Yes.
User avatar #273 - emptysuperman (06/21/2013) [-]
Let me open by saying I pirate everything. But I don't delude myself into thing it isn't stealing. If you want to pirate, go for it, but you are stealing. Is it a big theft? No. But stop trying to justify it. You're stealing because it's easy, there's almost no chance of getting caught, and you like free **** .
#358 to #273 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
So, because you steal, but you admit it, you are a hero? **** that, whether you admit it or not doesn't matter, you are still a ******* thief. And since you realize it you should be more ashamed of yourself. Also, these people commenting on your comment praising you because you realize you are a criminal are sick as well. Imagine it in a different scenario. Some guy robs a bank. But wait, in his trial he said that he realized that he is stealing and that he isn't going to try and justify it. Are you all going to say he is a ******* hero and that he should deserve a medal? I sure hope you faggots won't do that, but hey, you are doing it here. People sicken me.
#298 to #273 - tomowrath ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
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#350 to #273 - creepyunclebob (06/21/2013) [-]
Thank you. I don't pirate much, just Game of Thrones and a couple of other shows, but I know there are people that rely on that advertisement/subscription revenue to make a living.
#279 to #273 - reycall (06/21/2013) [-]
this guy knows whats up.

give him a medal.


i still stand by me saying that it is a victimless crime with more benefits to businesses than harm
#169 - ZackyV (06/21/2013) [-]
What if I had no money from the start?
User avatar #38 - rototornjik (06/21/2013) [-]
the only reason i pirate stuff is because i cant afford it...
#182 to #38 - thenewneone (06/21/2013) [-]
I bet that's what car theft think or burglars.
Besides you have a ******* computer and you can't afford stuff.
User avatar #250 to #182 - rototornjik (06/21/2013) [-]
i had to take a loan of 500$.
in usa that isnt much, but in a 2nd world craphole that is my homeland, its two average salaries.
and im an unemployed student.
User avatar #54 to #38 - kingron (06/21/2013) [-]
especially in games
User avatar #67 to #38 - ruebezahl (06/21/2013) [-]
I work in software development, and frankly, if you can't afford the software you pirate, then by all means go ahead. I'd just like to ask three things from you:
1. When you actually do earn some good money, please stop pirating.
2. Somewhere in the back of your mind, remember that what you are doing is not "right", so don't act like focking Robin Hood about it (like most people actually do). No, it's not something to be proud of.
3. Don't pirate stuff like Photoshop CS. You most likely will never really need the features in Photoshop CS. Instead, download gimp legally and donate $5 to the developers.
User avatar #70 to #67 - rototornjik (06/21/2013) [-]
1. certainly. i actually bought a couple, but i pirated dozens.
2. acknowledged
3. ms paint all the way!
User avatar #81 to #67 - thelordofbutthurt (06/21/2013) [-]
I have the same problem and this is whats always going through my mind...

I always pirate movies and software but only cause times are tough right now.
I prefer using all of my free open-source stuff though... I try to contribute to the Ubuntu and Linux softwares by fixing coding bugs for now, and later when I have enough money for luxuries I'm planning to donate as much as I can to these gods who make such great FREE OS softwares and others (like GIMP)

I would hate to see developers lose money due to pirating and get pushed out of business.
#136 - lemonpledge (06/21/2013) [-]
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#251 to #174 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
Actually they do lose out not the company that make it but sales website do you are effect amazon steam etc (I mean software sales )
#185 to #174 - chiefus (06/21/2013) [-]
Bizarre thing about it is that it applies to any currency ever made.. Strange
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User avatar #252 to #174 - avatarsarefornoobs (06/21/2013) [-]
but if EVERYONE did it, then there wouldnt be a music industry.
rule utilitarianism
User avatar #324 to #252 - sabcy (06/21/2013) [-]
No, then music wouldn't be a business, it would be something you want to do.
User avatar #365 to #324 - jesusnipple (06/21/2013) [-]
But they have expenses to cover, if they make no money they go bankrupt and their fame would be shortlived.
User avatar #384 to #365 - sabcy (06/21/2013) [-]
but imagine a world, in which music wasn't a profession, but something you had to love enough to put time, effort, and money into, not because you expect to make a single dollar, but because you felt something in your soul that said, "I've just got to get this out, or it'll tear it's way out by itself.". A world, where artists are not in it for the money, or just because they have contracts, where they can choose what they play, without fear of someone shutting them down because it won't "sell". A world where music is good, not just "better than this one". A world like that would be a step in the right direction if you ask me.
User avatar #387 to #384 - jesusnipple (06/22/2013) [-]
There is such a thing. But they're homeless and play for people to make donations and put the money in their case. That would be horrible in my opinion, they would be in so much debt because they couldn't afford anything because their job is making free music
User avatar #287 to #174 - xxiixx (06/21/2013) [-]
They also gain $0 (roughly equivalent to ¥0)
User avatar #186 to #174 - sabcy (06/21/2013) [-]
and also equivalent to 3,000,000 pesos, which is worth $0
#126 - afternoon (06/21/2013) [-]
Well if you pirate something from some major artist (or film) its not going to effect them much but a lot of people pirate from indie developers too and thats whos actually getting hurt
User avatar #135 to #126 - YeYouKnoMe (06/21/2013) [-]
That guy on the right is like "Oh **** I think I just herped."
#176 to #126 - inkythesquid (06/21/2013) [-]
mfw i got the bold text reference
#30 - gharshi (06/21/2013) [-]
I don't get why artists have such huge problems with piracy. they are greedy ***** , they earn what casual people earn in their lifetime by making one single album, then they bitch about the money they are losing in piracy

pic related, do I look like I want to pay this cunt?
#99 to #30 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
actually man very few artist see anything of there profits there usually stolen away by the companys. In fact most artists are in debt and if they wanted to quit would have to spend the rest of there life's paying off the company the made billions for.

Pity the artists hate the guys in ties who just sit on there asses and come up with ways to screw people.
User avatar #115 to #99 - rieskimo (06/21/2013) [-]
They're not stolen you ******* nitwit. If the funds were stolen the artists would be able to sue the **** out of the companies, something that lawyers are more than happy to sink their teeth into in that industry.

No the issue that a lot of artists have had signing on is that they don't gain property rights to the things that they created. This happens a lot because a lot of artists were so psyched to get signed in the first place they didn't read or have a lawyer read all the clauses in their contract. Often artists get milked for merchandise and don't get paid that well because they don't spend enough time hashing out the terms of a record deal.
This is a HUGE problem in the rap/hip hop industry and is another reason why artists are moving towards either setting up their own record company or signing on with smaller record companies. Also why digital distribution has exploded in the last 10 years.

Though the business practices of the large record companies are questionable, I wouldn't call it "stealing".
User avatar #143 to #30 - arancium (06/21/2013) [-]
you listen to lil wayne?
#303 to #30 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
Because it's not the artists who are losing the money, **** head; it's the people who work for the music industry, the ones who distribute the music.

It kills me to see retards like you who attempt to look smart and argue about a topic that they don't know ********* about.
#68 to #30 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
"They"? I think you confuse a very small portion of artists with the vast majority who do not earn with one album what casual people earn in their lifetime.
#155 to #30 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
Its the big artists who make a big deal out of it though, often the smaller ones who need the money don't shout as loud because they won't get heard, yet they need the money more. I'm not gonna pretend to be one of these "pirate to try it, buy if I like it" ************ , but for the most part I support smaller artists and buy their **** . With money.
#383 to #155 - rdobet (06/21/2013) [-]
This was the point I was going to make. The big artists don't care, several have parodied it. Like "don't download this song" by Yankovic.

As for the try it then buy it ******** , I actually do that. I pirate a lot and dont actually buy much. Generally it's cause I get bored of most of the things I pirated anyway. If I really do like it, I stop playing anyway just so I don't get tempted to go against myself. Like right now I pirated Game Dev Tycoon. Buying it once my new debit card comes in the mail.


So while I can say a lot of people are ************ on that last point, some still do, I know im not the only one


Hooray for unnecessary rants.
User avatar #225 to #30 - zorororonoa (06/21/2013) [-]
It still is wrong whether you are hurting the artist or not. Say your neighbor is a super rich, and he has 50 really nice cars in his garage. If you steal one, it doesn't hurt him, but it is still wrong. I'm not anti-piracy, but don't try and justify theft with "oh, he doesn't get hurt, it must be ok."
#263 to #225 - Rascal (06/21/2013) [-]
>implying you wouldn't steal a Lamborghini from a rich guy who didn't care if you knew you would get away with if
User avatar #267 to #263 - zorororonoa (06/21/2013) [-]
I'm not saying I wouldn't, hell I probably would. But I wouldn't say that what I didn't wasn't theft just because I didn't hurt the guy.
#39 to #30 - herecomesjohnny (06/21/2013) [-]
what about the guy making minimum wage packaging the product and driving all night to ship it, or cd production employee who got laid off because of poor sales? It's never the big people that suffer
what about the guy making minimum wage packaging the product and driving all night to ship it, or cd production employee who got laid off because of poor sales? It's never the big people that suffer
User avatar #40 to #39 - gharshi (06/21/2013) [-]
I'm sure the artist wouldn't starve if he used like 1/10 of his ******* suitcase of dollars to pay them.
User avatar #42 to #41 - gharshi (06/21/2013) [-]
so when we are not really "hurting" the artist by pirating music. they are rich as **** .
User avatar #43 to #42 - herecomesjohnny (06/21/2013) [-]
no, but you're hurting the industry. And a successful artist's, what, 50 million a year definitely won't save the business
#47 to #43 - prtstick (06/21/2013) [-]
would i be hurting the industry by borrowing a CD from a friend and ripping it to my laptop cus i am not paying for the music but getting it for free.
#59 to #47 - flyslasher (06/21/2013) [-]
It's everyone that has the same mindset and does it. One person doesn't make a difference, but it's a million+ who see it like that and they make that difference.

I used to take little things from parks and the nature as something to remember them and my grandpa( badass dude ) told me not to because then everyone else does it and eventually we'd have no more parks or forests.
#88 to #30 - rieskimo (06/21/2013) [-]
...the only people who have consistently bitched about piracy are the people who are really losing money, the distributors. A very small minority of artists actually complain about piracy. Because of the way that the entertainment industry is set up, the artist pretty much gets paid the same no matter what. Record deals guarantee the artist so much money for so many albums. The distributors are the ones getting ****** out of money. The artists really only get to see I think it was determined about 5c for every $17 album(this is of course assuming they're not releasing it through their own label).

There have even been cases of artists letting their albums go and releasing them on the internet for free or for what the audience felt like paying(Radiohead being the most well known). Artists have found that they can gain a larger audience if they let their album go for free or very cheap online without going through a distributor. They do this so freely because they make most of their money on tour.

tl;dr distributors are butthurt not the artists.
#60 - studbeefpile (06/21/2013) [-]
I'm not particularly a fan of pirating, but people (namely the creators of the music/films in question) make a far bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
I'm not particularly a fan of pirating, but people (namely the creators of the music/films in question) make a far bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
User avatar #264 to #60 - Fgner (06/21/2013) [-]
Let's look at it from an (indie) game developers point of view (movies/music isn't the big problem, everyone knows that):

Game Dev Tycoon released their game with their official version, then released a torrent on Piratebay. The piratebay version included extra code that causes the player to lose the game due to piracy before the 2nd stage ends. Both versions sent user data.

After the first batch of user data was collected - there were 400 legit copies - 3,500 pirated copies. 10 times more people pirated the game than bought it, 10 ******* times. And that's a cheap $5 indie game. They had the potential net gain of around $20,000 - their actual gain was a mesely $2,000 instead. You can say "oh they didn't lose anything" but intellectual property doesn't work like physical. You can't replicate a toaster without buying the necessary parts and building it yourself, nor having the knowledge to make a toaster. And when the toaster company finds out, they can easily sue you for patent infringment. Copying a game, though, is as simple as copying the files. And by duplicating their work without permission you violate international copyright agreements.

Game development is the lowest paying field for the skillset people employed in it possess. And they're often overworked. Why do you think most game devs only last 5 years before they burn out and go into a new field? It's ******* hard to make ends meat, and when you do - it's at the expense of your health.

So for all the justifications people make for piracy:
> Game devs still lose out
> It still raises the price games must be released at or forces games to have micro transactions.
> Raises the hands of devs/publishers and force things like DRM and no used games, etc.

But on the plus side:
> Free advertisement - people can demo the game
> People who can't afford it still deserve to play (although if you email a lot of indie devs that, they're usually cool and send a free legit copy and just ask to donate if you ever can)
#48 - grandmabetty (06/21/2013) [-]
I don't pirate films, I always buy it on Blu-ray or DVD. But what annoys me is when you buy a Blu-ray disc, the thing's so overencumbered with AACS, HDCP and other DRM protection you can't do anything with it. Also if you use a PC to watch them on you're always greeted with problems.   
   
You've got to update the AACS library all the time (which sometimes doesn't work because CyberLink sometimes need to patch their PowerDVD software - last time this took them a month). Sometimes I have HDCP issues on a monitor, when it is actually HDCP compliant, the software's just 			****		. It's against the law to screenshot a Blu-ray because Hollywood's scared you'll capture every frame of the film and re-assemble them in a video editor to copy the entire film. You can only output the Blu-ray on HDMI - Hollywood pressurised everyone to drop Analogue component video. Etcetera etcetera.   
   
Blu-ray's 			****		 really, not sure why I buy them sometimes.   
   
TLDR: No
I don't pirate films, I always buy it on Blu-ray or DVD. But what annoys me is when you buy a Blu-ray disc, the thing's so overencumbered with AACS, HDCP and other DRM protection you can't do anything with it. Also if you use a PC to watch them on you're always greeted with problems.

You've got to update the AACS library all the time (which sometimes doesn't work because CyberLink sometimes need to patch their PowerDVD software - last time this took them a month). Sometimes I have HDCP issues on a monitor, when it is actually HDCP compliant, the software's just **** . It's against the law to screenshot a Blu-ray because Hollywood's scared you'll capture every frame of the film and re-assemble them in a video editor to copy the entire film. You can only output the Blu-ray on HDMI - Hollywood pressurised everyone to drop Analogue component video. Etcetera etcetera.

Blu-ray's **** really, not sure why I buy them sometimes.

TLDR: No
#37 - restfullwicked (06/21/2013) [-]
more to the point, piracy doesn't cost anyone anything because you can never prove that it was a lost sale. people that pirate would always have pirated it. if there was never a chance they would have ever paid for it it cant be a lost sale.
User avatar #364 to #37 - jesusnipple (06/21/2013) [-]
Just because they weren't planning on buying it doesn't mean it wasn't a "lost sale." If they weren't going to buy it, they would spend $0, if they pirate it, it's the same price. The difference here is that only in one of these situations is the item still being taken. Looking at it as music, they need money to use a studio, the better ones cost more money. The manager also has to pay the band, himself, and anyone else who has helped out. Since they didn't get anything from that sale, their work was worthless for that person. It hardly does any damage when looked at with just one person, but if they start noticing more and more people pirating it, thousands upon thousands, it starts to take its toll.

TL;DR They still lose money if you pirate the album because they need to cover expenses
#366 to #364 - restfullwicked (06/21/2013) [-]
i dont think you get what im saying. with a digital product especially, its not costing anything to store. only to produce and to advertise and so on. yes its money that they could use. but you cant say that it is a sale of a product that they lost because people who pirate were never going to spend any money.
Piracy is almost always something on the part of the distributer. Valve has proved that before by making it so much simpler, not to mention give rewards to people to just pay in the first place.

i dont advocate piracy of anything, but its not like stealing something off a shelf. nothing has gone missing. and it dosnt cost money to replace.
that is all money they would never have gotten anyway. Total Biscuit has even spoken about it before and explains it better than i do.
User avatar #367 to #366 - jesusnipple (06/21/2013) [-]
That still doesn't mean that there was any damage though. The expenses to record, produce, and advertise an album, and even moreso a movie, are pretty huge. Without an income from the product, they lose a lot of money. Other expenses include paying those on board as I mentioned before, buying new electronics (instruments, cameras, etc.), and reserving venues for live performances after the album is put out. Those numbers get pretty big, and if a large percentage of their fanbase is pirating their product, they won't have enough to pay for all of this. They don't lose a sale, but the money they don't get from people enjoying their work still hits them hard.
#368 to #367 - restfullwicked (06/21/2013) [-]
not as hard as they want you to think. infact you will find that its the publishers that whine more than the actual talent. like the guy that made hotline miami made the patches work on pirated versions. most people couldnt care less. its just business that want more money than they actually earn.
User avatar #369 to #368 - jesusnipple (06/21/2013) [-]
That's because when they have publishers and producers involved, that's more people to pay, so they need to make more money to do so. Though there are other indie developers that take the hit much harder than anyone else since they might not get many sales to begin with
#316 to #312 - jogoto (06/21/2013) [-]
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i love you
#320 to #316 - youngneil ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
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User avatar #335 to #312 - bigfriendlyginger (06/21/2013) [-]
10/10 would listen again, cheers for sharing.
#336 to #335 - youngneil ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
I'm glad people like the song
#345 to #312 - patriotpenguin ONLINE (06/21/2013) [-]
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User avatar #372 to #312 - mcbmichael (06/21/2013) [-]
i might just pirate that song
#341 to #312 - DivideZeroForFun (06/21/2013) [-]
Alestorm is soooooooooooooooooooooooooo goooooooood
#244 - Cleavland Steamer (06/21/2013) [-]
it's fun to sail the seven seas
it's fun to sail the seven seas
#243 - koltan (06/21/2013) [-]
Piracy, it's a crime.
#36 - sirfisticuffs (06/21/2013) [-]
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