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#25 - jimli (06/14/2013) [-]
This is the same guy who said that the founders of modern Haiti made a pact with Satan which they didn't keep, which is why the 2010 earthquake destroyed the entire country. He also had a post-9/11 discussion with Jerry Falwell about how the tragedy was caused by the pro-choice and the homosexuals and America's leniency with them.
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with Pat Robertson or not, but I'd check the integrity of my sources before quoting him/her.
User avatar #26 to #25 - malific ONLINE (06/14/2013) [-]
And yet he's right about feminism.
User avatar #33 to #25 - thepyras (06/15/2013) [-]
What you're using is called ad hominem, basically a rhetoric trick used to denounce ideas based on their source. It's generally considered to be a poor method of thought. I could make a few arguments against what he said, but "he's Pat Robertson" is an invalid one.
#56 to #33 - jimli (06/15/2013) [-]
You'll actually notice that I never said I disagreed with him. If you want to discuss why he's wrong, we could certainly have that discussion, and I'd be happy to bring better arguments to the table and not hide behind rhetorical strategies. What I was saying was that if OP is looking for someone credible to use as back-up for his own agenda, he should probably be familiar with their history. That's it.
But thanks for teaching me some rhetoric 101, junior. I took classes in public speaking and editorial writing too.
User avatar #61 to #56 - thepyras (06/15/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, that was a bit rude of me.
User avatar #58 to #56 - thepyras (06/15/2013) [-]
"I'd check the integrity of my sources before quoting him/her." Because that totally doesn't imply that you don't agree.
Also, OP wasn't looking for someone credible, he was just using a quote to bring an idea to the table. Congratulations on your knowledge, but honestly I can't tell if you have that knowledge when you choose not to use it.
User avatar #62 to #58 - jimli (06/15/2013) [-]
I don't see how advising someone to check the integrity of his/her sources implies that I disagree with them. No word or combination of words in that sentence you just quoted suggests any truth value... and again, maybe you'd be right about my poor use of ad hominem if I actually was trying to contest truth value. You're recklessly and incorrectly throwing out big terms in an attempt to prove how smart you are, and you're hoping that I'll get intimidated and miss the flaws in the argument those terms are meant to support. That's called misdirection, and it's another ****** rhetorical strategy.
User avatar #63 to #62 - thepyras (06/15/2013) [-]
It does actually. It's a heavy implication at the very least, as there is no reason to tell someone to check their sources, sources which you know, unless you believe them to be faulty.

What big terms? The only term I used that anyone here might be even slightly unfamiliar with was "ad hominem", and I explained that when I used it. I'm not trying to be intimidating, I'm just saying that you attacked OP's argument with a poor argument, which is kindof hypocritical.
User avatar #91 to #63 - jimli (06/15/2013) [-]
It's not even worth arguing this... you keep re-asserting the same point that I initially contested without offering new reasons as to why it's valid... it's hard to have a constructive discussion like that
#35 to #33 - houseofbrick (06/15/2013) [-]
I actually take issue with people calling ad hominem all the time because if some asshole keeps crying wolf and there's no wolf there when we go to investigate, I'm going to stop getting out of my chair when he cries wolf.
If somebody is perpetually crazy and wrong, they're probably going to be crazy and wrong forever. I don't think this means that we should shut down their freedom to speak their mind, but I don't think we need to give them any attention or credence.
User avatar #37 to #35 - thepyras (06/15/2013) [-]
Well that is your opinion, but it's still a faulty argument. You wouldn't start to question the color of the sky if he said it was blue. If you disagree with what he says, so be it, but you can't put down his words just because they came from him. People like to put down Hitler's quotes like that. Hitler may have killed people, but that doesn't mean he never said anything that made sense.
#88 to #25 - Rascal (06/15/2013) [-]
Moral of the story: Satan don't play. You best step before he puts a hurtin on yo tectonic plates.
#32 to #25 - kaslin (06/15/2013) [-]
The real reason behind feminism.
#34 to #25 - hybridxproject (06/15/2013) [-]
'haiti made a pact with Satan'   
you can't be serious
'haiti made a pact with Satan'
you can't be serious
#36 - cintan (06/15/2013) [-]
Kill children?
Become lesbians?
Practice witchcraft?

What in the name of **** is he on about?
User avatar #11 - PVTDickStryker ONLINE (06/14/2013) [-]
Thats RADICAL Feminism youre thinking of, legitimate feminism is for gender EQUALITY.
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#55 to #11 - Rascal (06/15/2013) [-]
Equalists want equality, feminists swell their ovaries till they pop with misplaced womym warrior pride, and are basically in favour of sexism as long as they benefit from it.
User avatar #15 to #11 - thedumbledore (06/14/2013) [-]
I don't even think radical feminism does that. All you get then is a bunch of shouting, crazy bitches.

This is just Pat Robertson being Pat Robertson. AKA a ******* cretin.

He's also compared being gay to raping and/or murdering people, then told a woman she should be grateful for her cheating husband simply because he is male.
User avatar #16 to #15 - PVTDickStryker ONLINE (06/14/2013) [-]
Sounds like a prick.
User avatar #5 - akumamika **User deleted account** (06/14/2013) [-]
If Feminism made me a witch I'd Join up today
User avatar #6 to #5 - lolokoko **User deleted account** (06/14/2013) [-]
Just put lube in your broomstick and jam it in.

That's what witches used to do, anyways.
User avatar #7 to #6 - akumamika **User deleted account** (06/14/2013) [-]
I don't have a broom, will a mop do?
User avatar #8 to #7 - lolokoko **User deleted account** (06/14/2013) [-]
Anything larger than your arm will do.
User avatar #90 to #8 - akumamika **User deleted account** (06/15/2013) [-]
I encountered a problem with this, it only flies upwards, riding side saddle is much more comfortable but unreliable too, mounting it like a horse gives the user much more control.
User avatar #72 to #6 - zeusx (06/15/2013) [-]
i keep imagining this with mila kunis...
#52 - pennydragon ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
Sigh. That really says more about Pat Robertson than feminism.   
   
Look people, feminism can be looked at as three core ideas. 1) Equality. 2) Women are oppressed. 3) Helping women with their problems by changing society. These aren't bad ideas. Most feminist ideas are pretty good.   
   
Some reasons I think feminism gets a bad rap are: 1) Hypocrisy and double standards about other discrimination and prejudice. 2) Us vs. them thinking, women are the victims, men are predators. 3) Stupidity, bad science, and vicious name calling when being criticized. This isn't the case of every feminist, it's just some problems I've had personal experience with.    
   
Let's not judge all of feminism by the some of them. If we judged all people by the bad actions of a few we'd all be a sorry lot.   
   
Don't throw all feminism away. That's silly and wasteful and won't accomplish anything. Work with what's good, learn from them, and fix what you see as wrong. Don't be afraid to learn, hear different opinions, criticize what's wrong, and embrace what's good.
Sigh. That really says more about Pat Robertson than feminism.

Look people, feminism can be looked at as three core ideas. 1) Equality. 2) Women are oppressed. 3) Helping women with their problems by changing society. These aren't bad ideas. Most feminist ideas are pretty good.

Some reasons I think feminism gets a bad rap are: 1) Hypocrisy and double standards about other discrimination and prejudice. 2) Us vs. them thinking, women are the victims, men are predators. 3) Stupidity, bad science, and vicious name calling when being criticized. This isn't the case of every feminist, it's just some problems I've had personal experience with.

Let's not judge all of feminism by the some of them. If we judged all people by the bad actions of a few we'd all be a sorry lot.

Don't throw all feminism away. That's silly and wasteful and won't accomplish anything. Work with what's good, learn from them, and fix what you see as wrong. Don't be afraid to learn, hear different opinions, criticize what's wrong, and embrace what's good.
#57 - Rascal (06/15/2013) [-]
wow youre all a bunch of high school losers who never talk to chicks. kill yourselves
User avatar #28 - gorrepoo (06/15/2013) [-]
PRACTICE WITCHCRAFT.
More like BITCHCRAFT
haha
don't kill me
User avatar #53 - jalthelas (06/15/2013) [-]
What's with all the feminism posts?
#18 - Rascal (06/14/2013) [-]
So Medea was the first feminist?
User avatar #27 to #18 - howdydoodle (06/15/2013) [-]
I don't agree with the content, but that sir was a solid reference.
#30 to #27 - Rascal (06/15/2013) [-]
It fits almost perfectly.
Left husband, killed children, practiced witchcraft, and a lot of greeks/romans were bi.
Not sure about the capitalism though.
User avatar #3 - makegr (06/14/2013) [-]
Once again people missunderstad that FEMINISM it's EQUALITY.
Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.

Getting SICK of guys who misunderstand it.
User avatar #9 to #3 - godtherapist (06/14/2013) [-]
Yeah Feminism is about equality! That is why the name is derived from FEMALE and not EQUAL like egalitarian is. Feminists believe that all people should be treated the same unless you try and start a Mens Rights Movement then you are a sick sexist asshole who needs to be put in jail. Oh yeah and lets completely distort research that shows that WOMEN are more violent in relationships and cause more violence in domestic relationships than men.

It's a truly equal opportunity system where everyone is the same, so lets go out and make laws that only apply to women and make it harder on men for absolutely no reason other than they are men.

Women get 40% less jail time and an over all lower conviction rate in criminal courts.

Women get police protection in violent acts even if they are the cause of the violence.

Women can't be drafted.
#13 to #9 - Rascal (06/14/2013) [-]
This just in: Some guys on the internet wants to be the victim of the real victims of sexism.
User avatar #14 to #13 - godtherapist (06/14/2013) [-]
I've been the victim of sexism my whole life starting from when I was a child and had my genitals mutilated.
User avatar #22 to #9 - thedumbledore (06/14/2013) [-]
You are generalising views there, mate. There are a lot of people who class themselves as 'feminist', and simply mean a women's activist. There are crazy cunts, no doubt, but you seem a little venomous. The domestic violence thing is horse **** , though. I've never seen a legitimate source citing that women are more often the aggressor.

Jail time, that needs to be fixed.

Second? Horse **** . They get arrested unless you are dealing with a sexist cop.

There is debate as to if women should even be on the front lines. I am not giving a personal opinion on this, but it's not really the ultra-feminists fighting to keep them off it.

You sound just as bad as the crazy cunt feminists, really.
User avatar #24 to #3 - Crusader (06/14/2013) [-]
Feminism is not equality.
Feminism is the female equivalent to Misogyny.
If they were truly fighting for equality then they would simply say they are equalists.
By saying they are FEMinists, they are saying that Females are the sex that should be named.
User avatar #83 to #24 - uncaringman (06/15/2013) [-]
The female equivalent of Misogyny is Misandry.
User avatar #10 to #3 - squiresparkle (06/14/2013) [-]
WE'RE sick of women misunderstanding it and using it as an excuse to be sexist bitches
#4 to #3 - Rascal (06/14/2013) [-]
No. Feminism used to be about all of that. Equality is reached, now modern day feminists are feminazis who hijacked the name and are out for Female supremacy. They completely denounce any possibility of anything affecting males negatively just because they are males. They are just sexist woman hiding behind a fake self righteous claim for equality.
User avatar #19 to #4 - rhetoricalfunny (06/14/2013) [-]
Equality hasn't been reached

There are many many MANY issues present on both sides of the gender gap men, and women.

I'm not saying feminism is equipped to deal with these, or anything. But to say, "Equality is reached" is just ******* stupid and ignorant. And it only gives ammo to the feminazis.

There are feminists today who want equality
There are feminists today who want supremacy
And there are ******* crazy people who want the world to be run by sentient tacos.

With that said it becomes a matter of distinguishing feminist supremacy or equality and reacting accordingly.
By simply denouncing "feminism" as a whole you close yourself off to the dialogue of all parts. (Which includes that which focuses on equality.) There are more supremacists than equalists. Yet if they identify as feminists than you would immediately close yourself off to it.
It's not a matter of feminism. It's a matter of what the **** the person is saying.
If they're being all Anita Sarkeesian, you can kindly tell them to shut the **** up.
If they're trying to continue an actual critical dialogue. Then it is beneficial for all parties to listen.
User avatar #64 to #19 - useroftheLOLZ (06/15/2013) [-]
But often times, the line that distinguishes the moderates and the extremists becomes blurred when the extremists coerce the moderates into taking more radical ideals, some key examples being the Crusades, Nazism, the KKK, and Al Qaeda.

The problem is modern day, American Feminists and Feminists leaders who either support radical feminism, or actual Feminists, who believe in true Feminism, but won't speak against radical feminism because of their fear that they will be branded as a traitor, or would lose support from a considerable portion of their base, that being Feminists.

The best alternative to Feminism is Equal Humanism, the belief system that we are are all humans, and what differences exist for a reason, and that is what makes us unique, and should be respected as such.

The kind of Feminism seen in the news, is no longer Feminism, it is the emasculation of men, and the belief system that women should be superior to men because in the past, women were viewed as little more than property. It is no different than holding a grudge against a collective gender, even though the vast majority of the individuals that the grudge is being held against, supports the grudge holding group. Post Modern Feminism is hypocritical in it's beliefs, it is ignorant, offensive, abusive, amoral, Machiavellian, and often times, full retarded in it's beliefs. And is not the answer in fixing the problems that plague BOTH SIDES of the issue when it comes to gender equality. When fixing the problems that plague female rights, males can't be removed from the equation, they are a part of it too.
User avatar #42 to #19 - makegr (06/15/2013) [-]
I completely agree with your opinion, buddy, don't misunderstand me, I'm not defending the idea of "feminism" , I'm just saying that the word means equality, but people misunderstand it.

Women's think they have the power to do whatever they want , the cause is that word.
Men's think that t he word "feminism" means "Women power".

Thanks for explaining, seriously, i'm glad people have their own ideas, and it's good to read a mature opinion. I thumb up you!
#12 to #4 - Rascal (06/14/2013) [-]
Those types aren't feminists. The WBC doesn't represent Christianity, and these people don't represent feminism. Capiche?
#54 - scootabot ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
User avatar #74 - EventHorizon (06/15/2013) [-]
Just so everyone knows, this guy Pat Robertson had something really enlightening to say about how the Boy Scouts are allowing openly gay boys into their ranks. Apparently, the decision "rips apart" the scouts and everything they stand for, and these boys only want to join to "do sex" with other boys. If I had a single bullet and a pistol, I'd skip over Ahmedenijad and go right to this guy's house.
User avatar #78 to #74 - carneymaster (06/15/2013) [-]
Its nice to know you would murder an elderly man for speaking his mind.
User avatar #81 to #78 - reaperriley ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
And elderly man who has plenty of people who listen to him. While I am not saying he should be killed. He does have a following and depending on your view he is the head of a cancerous snake.
User avatar #82 to #81 - carneymaster (06/15/2013) [-]
yeah but at least hes not trying to murder us all. Event up there doesnt mind the guy trying to murder us as much as he minds the guy whos not putting any new ideas into the heads of the people who listen to him. Anyone who listens to him is already thinking that way.
User avatar #84 to #82 - reaperriley ONLINE (06/15/2013) [-]
there are many different types of people out there. Just depends on how you say it to get more types to follow you.

But your point is solid.
User avatar #85 to #84 - carneymaster (06/15/2013) [-]
yeah, I mean, he does have the freedom to speak out against feminists. I personally don't like any feminist I have ever met. I like the Equal rights women I have met. And those 4 girls, 2 each, absolutely hate the other group. goodnight.
User avatar #89 to #85 - EventHorizon (06/15/2013) [-]
Of course he has the freedom to speak his mind... and of course I was kidding bro. But he is an influential public figure that spouts bigoted hatred to the masses. He can do it all he likes, but it's still a river of ******** that the public has the right and ability to stem. When the public, society, silences someone it is for the betterment of society.
User avatar #92 to #89 - carneymaster (06/15/2013) [-]
Thats good. I have met far to many crazy people out here that have done stuff that makes you cringe.
#75 - Rascal (06/15/2013) [-]
I'm okay with 3 out of these things.
#59 - arearea (06/15/2013) [-]
...but didnt he also say you should wash clothes you buy at the thrift store to get rid of any satanic demons in them?
...but didnt he also say you should wash clothes you buy at the thrift store to get rid of any satanic demons in them?
#69 to #59 - satanlovesyouall (06/15/2013) [-]
You never know who could have worn those clothes though...Probably satanists.
User avatar #21 - derik (06/14/2013) [-]
Wow, this makes feminism sound amazing.
#73 - leshiggydonatello (06/15/2013) [-]
>quoting Pat Robertson to make a point about social justice

Surely no one is this retarded...
#80 - azinfoo (06/15/2013) [-]
Witchcraft, destroying capitalism and becoming lesbians... Those are not necessarily BAD things.
#87 to #80 - luiselvergas (06/15/2013) [-]
BETTER DEAD THAN RED MOTHA FUKA
User avatar #43 to #38 - exacerbated (06/15/2013) [-]
We can cook bacon and clean our cars.

There really isn't much else that needs be done.
User avatar #45 to #44 - exacerbated (06/15/2013) [-]
You must be the most decorated of 2013.
User avatar #47 to #46 - exacerbated (06/15/2013) [-]
That was fast. You're just chock full of these, aren't you?
User avatar #49 to #48 - exacerbated (06/15/2013) [-]
Don't use up all your good material in one go now.
#50 to #49 - iizsimon (06/15/2013) [-]
I have quite a bit.
#95 to #50 - KBD (09/18/2014) [-]
its funny cuz anon is u sadslyfe
#68 to #50 - Rascal (06/15/2013) [-]
Keep telling the truth, brother.
#94 to #68 - KBD (09/18/2014) [-]
"i agree with myself on anon" - iizsimon FJ trash
User avatar #29 - laky (06/15/2013) [-]
He forgot terrorism. Being a Feminist turns you into a terrorist as well
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