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User avatar #27 - GrimTheRealReaper (06/12/2013) [-]
True enough. But you're not forced to go to church. I am ******* forced to go to school and thus science, and that means you're forcing me to listen to you, which is exactly what you dont want happening to you.
#91 to #27 - kez (06/12/2013) [-]
You are forced to go to school to learn facts and information that are generally required to make you useful to society and good you a better chance in life while keeping your options open.

What you are taught in Science is fact. (Evolution etc is fact. Where the world come from is just what the evidence is suggesting, since we are still working it all out, but most of what science teaches you is fact and undisputable)

What you are taught about religion is just what people have said and what people beleive, no facts. If you want to beleive them thats fine, but you should teach kids what is undeniably true, then let them go from there.

If you want to ignore facts thats fine. But beleifs are just that. It is fine to beleive in them, but they have no evidence behind them apart from what someone else told you.

There is a major difference here.
User avatar #72 to #27 - YllekNayr ONLINE (06/12/2013) [-]
No one's forcing your beliefs to be contradictory and against the class in your education where the concepts of how the world works is explained.

That's how they work, whether your book says so or not.
User avatar #28 to #27 - sanguinesolitude (06/12/2013) [-]
forcing you to at least be familiar with the basics of modern society so you can fit in without being a complete retard.

teaching religion in school is like having a magical unicorn story hour, both could be true, but without any proof they seem pretty reckless and silly things to teach children.
User avatar #55 to #28 - gidmp (06/12/2013) [-]
I think religions is more about moral and things like that (maybe), since you know, most of the thing in the bible considered a metaphor
#109 to #55 - Rascal (06/13/2013) [-]
in college, they teach a class on ethics
User avatar #119 to #109 - gidmp (06/13/2013) [-]
Ethic class is more about action and behave (i think, i never took ethic classes, so i am sorry if i defined it wrong), while religion is more about action and state of mind (especially new testament, in the old testament too much weird things happening) , it emphasize how to act because it was right not because it was fit to the society or condition.

sorry if i messed up, english is not my mother tongue, please tell me if i said something wrong
User avatar #137 to #119 - ShadowEagle (06/13/2013) [-]
In my ethics class it showed us the history of ethics and to use that history to build your own code of ethics. We even had a project where we would create our own pretend country and build the ethics of that country and spend about 10 minutes defending those ethics from questions the prof asked us. The better we were able to defend them the more points we got, we even got bonus points if we named good enough examples to back our ethical codes.
User avatar #140 to #137 - gidmp (06/13/2013) [-]
I see, so it's like, defending your standpoint while being barraged by stone, arrow, spear, flying bovine or whatever it is?
User avatar #154 to #140 - ShadowEagle (06/13/2013) [-]
Basically, I think the whole point of the class to teach us to follow our own ethics, while respecting others and to always question why we follow them in the first place
User avatar #161 to #154 - gidmp (06/13/2013) [-]
True, since in religion there are people who followed them blindly and think that religions are absolute. But we also have to consider that the majority of people is more understanding than we think. Some people realize that science and religion, through different, able to live side by side; science fills the cup what religion cannot meet and vice versa.

That's why sometimes i hate when people forced creationism and think that religion always the source of war and violence
User avatar #173 to #161 - ShadowEagle (06/13/2013) [-]
To be fair a lot of wars have been caused by religion. But the fact that even science can't explain some things religion gives ppl a belief. I don't care what other ppl's views are as long as they don't shove it down my throat. And I'm ore than willing to change my POV on something as long as there is valid evidence of it. That's why I tend to stay more on the side of science rather than religion. In the end I'd just be another twat for bashing religion outside of a joke
User avatar #29 to #28 - GrimTheRealReaper (06/12/2013) [-]
I hardly think i need to know the periodic table to work a desk job.
#33 to #29 - Rascal (06/12/2013) [-]
you dont need to know the story of jesus either.
User avatar #34 to #33 - GrimTheRealReaper (06/12/2013) [-]
I never said religion should be taugh in school. Its a choice. But that means science should be too.
User avatar #147 to #34 - staticstork (06/13/2013) [-]
No it shouldn't be a choice. Where would you get that horrible idea from.
User avatar #117 to #34 - blasthardcheese (06/13/2013) [-]
Dunno about you, but neither RE or science is a choice in my school.
#112 to #34 - Rascal (06/13/2013) [-]
empiricism should be a choice? **** , you need to pay attention more in school.
User avatar #99 to #34 - ICEDgrunge (06/13/2013) [-]
Stop ******* trying to get out of doing homework. Courses in school don't exist to indoctrinate you, they exist to educate you. If school was but a choice then we'd have a nothing but fools in the world. Grasping the concept of sciences may be hard to some, it may be hard to you, but the attempt of trying to grasp it is what develops the human mind, if you don't attempt to learn then you're going to have a **** time trying to understand what actually matters. Your mind is lazy and school is trying to break that. If you want to remain lazy, then have fun in construction, that field can always use backs to break.
User avatar #103 to #99 - GrimTheRealReaper (06/13/2013) [-]
Love the fact that you're assuming I'm a knuckle dragger who can't comprehend what is being taught. No. I get it just fine, and i get that we dont want fools running around, but the topic is, I am forced to go to school and you are allowed to cram your ideas down my throat if i dont want them, but religious folks aint allowed to say anything at all. Most schools dont even do the pledge anymore because it says "under god." Youre screaming for free will of what you want to do but then trying to take it from others.
User avatar #113 to #103 - ICEDgrunge (06/13/2013) [-]
Schools are secular. Most schools don't do the pledge due to the separation between church and government, that is clear and valid fact. Core classes are taught due to fact, challenge, and logic. Science will not be taught outside the confines of classes, and religion should not be taught outside of the confines of a church. If a school wanted to have a religion course, it would be in the form of an elective. A class in which you choose to take, just as one chooses to believe in a religion. Science is an observable subject in our universe, and that being said it cannot be denied and to not in some way be taught how the world works denies a human being understanding, and that is downright absurd. Religion is not an observable concept, it is a belief based on faith in barest terms. Religious folks are allowed to say what they want to say, where it belongs, in their place of holy worship. In class, it is not the place. I am not taking anything away from anyone. I am in no place to do so. What the educational system is trying to do is provide understanding, it is not taking anything away. If you want to learn about a religion, do so on your own time. It is and will remain a personal belief. Nothing is trying to take away anything in the respects to religion as religion will always remain in the same place: The church that practices it and its holy scripture. What I'm seeing is not someone who can't comprehend what is being taught, I am seeing someone who can't see why they're being taught what they're taught.
User avatar #32 to #29 - sanguinesolitude (06/12/2013) [-]
but knowing that things are made up of elements, molecules, etc. does help you in small ways. It helps you understand the world, and the interactions. You may not specifically use them, but that knowledge is available to you if needed. A coworker says to you "i heard that air is mostly nitrogen," you dont respond with "what is nitrogen... air is just air man. read your bible."

Plus school is education for all, so while math might not help the person who becomes a poet, and science may not help you much in business, a well rounded education makes it easier to talk to all sorts of people, and have some idea of what your neighbors and friends are talking about.

If you only want to learn things that are directly useful to you... well man i feel sorry for you.
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