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#3 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
yeah no
spartans viewed women as so low that they would only **** them for the sake of reproduction

normally when a man wanted sex, he'd ignore his wife and instead **** his buddy.
sorry to be the one to **** on this content, but spartan women were as opressed as everyone else.

they had freedom mostly because most of the time the men weren't there, but the spartan men pretty much treated them as breeding machines
they were the limiting factor in how many children could be had, so they basically had as many as possible.
the only think i know to be right about this is that bearing children was viewed as as important as being a warrior.

mostly because that child they bore would likely be a warrior.


they revolved around producing as many and as good soildiers as they could, that was their one and only cause, so of cause they'd give the women the means to do so.
marriage was also, like everywhere else, up to the father of the woman to decide.
#35 to #3 - anon (06/10/2013) [-]
What?!? You're telling me 300 was inaccurate as **** ?
Pssh, stop pulling my leg you silly troll(mobile).
#37 to #35 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
>all the spartan men's faces when they'd impregnated a woman
>all the spartan men's faces when they'd impregnated a woman
User avatar #49 to #3 - twinnedorphan (06/10/2013) [-]
damm it, i WAS so happy for a minute or so...
still thanks for posting it.




holy **** , ignorance IS bliss...
User avatar #5 to #3 - Loppytaffy (06/10/2013) [-]
"I know you're tired and not in the mood for it, baby. And I know you only just had a kid so don't want to be pregant again. I'll just **** one of the guys, because we're not homophobic twats, we know that as long as both consent and are of age, then sex is good which whoever you are happy to do it with."
#6 to #5 - mood (06/10/2013) [-]
thanks but im always in the mood
User avatar #26 to #6 - dedaluminus (06/10/2013) [-]
Remove your fist from your anus.
User avatar #99 to #26 - mood (06/11/2013) [-]
thats what your mom said last night
#7 to #3 - anon (06/10/2013) [-]
men also where appointed a wife by the military
#9 to #3 - anon (06/10/2013) [-]
(citation needed)
User avatar #10 to #9 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
general interest in history
especially old greek, old norse, and japaneese history

basically a facination for warrior-cultures.
i read things here and there, and i watch a show, read a book, some i learn from history classes

i never can remember where i heard what.
User avatar #11 to #10 - lavitts (06/10/2013) [-]
That's not a citation.
User avatar #13 to #11 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
i know.
i was stating that this is how i know it, thus ii do not have anything to cite.
User avatar #14 to #13 - lavitts (06/10/2013) [-]
Well, that clears it up.
User avatar #25 to #9 - osimonmagus (06/10/2013) [-]
>read a ******* book.
#60 to #3 - anon (06/11/2013) [-]
this is actually Athens you're describing.
sparta had much better conditions for women than athens, though it was still pretty bad by todays standards
User avatar #61 to #60 - trollmobile (06/11/2013) [-]
no, athens didn't have the massive need for baby-production
Sparta was at all times in war
at any given moment, 50% of their male population was stationed somewhere else, fighting.
they weren't all that many, so they had to make as many babies as possible to renew their ranks.
also they had to make many babies because they killed all the ones with flaws/weaknesses.
#58 - lordraine ONLINE (06/11/2013) [-]
Spartan Weddings were incredibly badass.

Basically, the guy had to liberate the woman by force from her family. They'd set a day where it'd go down, and the groom-to-be would walk down the street, usually with a crowd gathering to watch. He would be lightly armed, and lightly armored. A blunt sword or maybe a big stick, and leather armor. If they wanted bonus points, they'd go in nothing but clothes and their bare hands.

They would physically invade the bride's house, and the men of the household would attempt to stop or repel him by force. The groom wins the right to marry if he can get the bride back to his home before sundown. The family can put up as much or as little of a struggle as they prefer, but they must offer at least some token resistance. The bride is allowed to pick sides; if she's willing, it's her and her husband-to-be doing a fighting retreat. If she's not, or if she just wants to be disagreeable that day, he has to subdue her, beat off her brothers and father, and carry her back to his home.

Spartan marriage proposals were the closing action sequence of a Stephen Segal movie.
User avatar #86 to #58 - lolollo ONLINE (06/11/2013) [-]
So it was best to plan the wedding around her monthly episodes I take it...
#92 to #58 - BlueToaster (06/11/2013) [-]
Just imagine the honeymoon.....
Just imagine the honeymoon.....
#98 to #58 - anon (06/11/2013) [-]
A modified version of this would be really fun, like with paintball or water guns, and obviously it being consensual.
#31 - leeisawesome (06/10/2013) [-]
You all need to shut yo 			****		 saying this post is wrong.   
   
You're basing your reasoning that 'Spartan women actually were oppressed' on the fact Men only wanted to have sex with them for babies. You need to grow up.   
   
Spartan women were all about being badass. You know why? Because 'Only Spartan women gave birth to real men'. The Spartans knew that to raise real soldiers they need badass mothers and badass wives.    
   
Yes, it's true that the Spartan men were much rather shag the adolescent boys who had been given to them simply for this purpose, but that doesn't been the women weren't powerful.   
   
And yes, maybe most of their power DID derive from the fact that the men were away so long and often, but you're EXTREMELY downplaying the significance of this. Being left behind to look after the place was less about keeping the place clean and mowing the lawn, and more about KEEPING THE ENTIRE FRICKIN RACE OF HELOT SLAVES IN CHECK.   
   
The men knew who the real powerhouses were and so did the women. When the Spartan men went off to the war, the women would go up to them, most probably clicking their fingers in a Z formation, and say 'Come back with your shield, or on it', meaning, you better bring your punk ass home victorious or be dead, because I didn't marry no loser.
You all need to shut yo **** saying this post is wrong.

You're basing your reasoning that 'Spartan women actually were oppressed' on the fact Men only wanted to have sex with them for babies. You need to grow up.

Spartan women were all about being badass. You know why? Because 'Only Spartan women gave birth to real men'. The Spartans knew that to raise real soldiers they need badass mothers and badass wives.

Yes, it's true that the Spartan men were much rather shag the adolescent boys who had been given to them simply for this purpose, but that doesn't been the women weren't powerful.

And yes, maybe most of their power DID derive from the fact that the men were away so long and often, but you're EXTREMELY downplaying the significance of this. Being left behind to look after the place was less about keeping the place clean and mowing the lawn, and more about KEEPING THE ENTIRE FRICKIN RACE OF HELOT SLAVES IN CHECK.

The men knew who the real powerhouses were and so did the women. When the Spartan men went off to the war, the women would go up to them, most probably clicking their fingers in a Z formation, and say 'Come back with your shield, or on it', meaning, you better bring your punk ass home victorious or be dead, because I didn't marry no loser.
#34 to #31 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
you base your whole argument on the movie 300.   
   
you are truely, truely, retarded.   
   
the movie was awesome, but it had little to no historical accuracy.
you base your whole argument on the movie 300.

you are truely, truely, retarded.

the movie was awesome, but it had little to no historical accuracy.
User avatar #38 to #34 - leeisawesome (06/10/2013) [-]
300 was historically inaccurate **** , but the only 2 things in my post that even point towards 300 are the two quotes from the movie which were TAKEN FROM HISTORIANS.

Plutarch, Mor.241
Plutarch's Lives: Lycurgus
#66 to #34 - tehsnoo (06/11/2013) [-]
you are truely, truely, retarded
truely, truely, retarded
truely, retarded
truely
#84 to #82 - dagreja (06/11/2013) [-]
In case you can't assume what it is that is written above the scratched-out Nord. It says Spartan. You're welcome.
User avatar #32 - zaywoot (06/10/2013) [-]
actually they had to be married before 30... they could before if they would, but they would rather stay single and be with other men for as long as possible, during the military service the soldiers were encouraged to have sex with one another in order to strengthen their bond thus making them work together better...
sparta was gay... nothing wrong with that, but it was very gay...


the viking women also had a lot of rights actually could inherit and own land, joined the raiding and pillaging, could divorce and keep her stuff...
User avatar #59 - paelaer (06/11/2013) [-]
You know, the Vikings trusted women with their keys.

I think that's pretty badass.
#62 to #59 - sirbutterballs (06/11/2013) [-]
At first I thought the keys to their longboats... And then I realized how retarded it is how I even thought their longboats had keys. Pic irrelevant
#15 - alawabidingcitizen (06/10/2013) [-]
Here's the thing:
Spartans didn't really care so much about women; as far as they were concerned, they were just a way of producing more soldiers. To "marry" a woman was to abduct her from her home and cut her hair shorter before basically raping her to get her pregnant with a child (a future soldier, a future soldier-producer, or an malformed/sickly infant that would be left to die, no matter how much pain the woman went through in birthing it). Women did have the right to own land and walk the streets as equals to men, but only because the men weren't usually preoccupied with them, and as far as children go, most Spartan fathers didn't raise their own kids, so who cares if they were left to the wife?
Also, after completing their childhood, Spartans were raised from the age of thirteen by an older soldier, whom they would train with, study under, and..."live"with (remember cutting the women's hair? yeah, there was a reason they did that...).

inb4 "Historically probable facts? KILL IT WITH RED THUMBS!"
User avatar #17 to #15 - jacksipian (06/10/2013) [-]
i dont get the last part, with the student living with the older soldier and cutting the womans hair short
#18 to #17 - akranosh (06/10/2013) [-]
Ah, that's because the older soldier is the mentor and also the lover. Which means the boy accepts sex with men more then with women. So on the day of co-oppulation, the hari of the woman is cut short to resemble that of a man, and then after the deed is done, the man goes ones again to his friends, as if nothings happened. Of course, this could all be fake, but watching documenteries are good for you!
User avatar #19 to #18 - jacksipian (06/10/2013) [-]
oh ok, thanks for elaborating, i didnt realize spartans were like that :/
#20 to #19 - akranosh (06/10/2013) [-]
Well, neither did I. But on a hot sunday night, when noones up, i saw this. Changed my life, brah!
User avatar #21 to #20 - jacksipian (06/10/2013) [-]
amazing
#23 - guu (06/10/2013) [-]
My god.. What a load of feminist 			**********		.
My god.. What a load of feminist ********** .
#27 to #23 - hijokpl (06/10/2013) [-]
I love you.
#29 to #27 - guu (06/10/2013) [-]
Love you too, random citizen.
Love you too, random citizen.
#47 to #23 - palindromia ONLINE (06/10/2013) [-]
It's actually kind of scary. Feminism has festered to the point of rewriting history. Next thing you know you'll be seeing history lessons where the first American president was actually a woman and Nicola Tesla was really a woman etc.
#1 - redwrench (06/10/2013) [-]
I don't care what anyone else says, this is truly awesome, and giving women credit where credit is due. A pity today's society has warped into what it is.
User avatar #12 to #1 - instalation (06/10/2013) [-]
www.funnyjunk.com/channel/videogames/The+Grimm+Alphabet+VG+Addition/llBrGyy/99#99

You're really not helping either. But I shouldn't be nitpicking. I spend all day drawing porn.
#22 to #12 - redwrench (06/10/2013) [-]
I spend all day posting comments...
User avatar #42 to #1 - Mebeshe (06/10/2013) [-]
Is that George R. R. Martin?
#16 - anon (06/10/2013) [-]
This actually made me angry because Tumblr is full of women so this is just a feminist circlejerk.
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#2 - allnamesrtaken (06/10/2013) [-]
I actually read it and it was worth it.
I actually read it and it was worth it.
#52 - karouin (06/11/2013) [-]
ITT: Fags butthurt over some women not being historically oppressed

"no, no, relax guise, they were actually in the kitchen, lel"
User avatar #43 - croski (06/10/2013) [-]
I guess we should start naming sources for these history debates. I could now write a ton of crap by twisting the words of Herodotus or Xenophon the way I want my story to go.

Note to fellow FJ-ers, don't believe everything you read here.
#48 to #43 - leeisawesome (06/10/2013) [-]
Let's face it, Ancient History is such a wishy-washy area when it comes to solid facts. Everything downs to debate and stipulation. Hell, there's more proof that Jesus existed than there is that Julius Caesar did!
User avatar #50 to #48 - croski (06/10/2013) [-]
And do you know why is that? Because of the fake crafted documentaries and articles. Today we have such a strong propaganda that is pushing various causes and is not ashamed to use false (historcal) facts and stories.

If we could keep the debates between the real historians, that are actually backed up by evidence, intact, maybe we would know a lot more about ancient Rome or Greece.
User avatar #53 - subaqueousreach (06/11/2013) [-]
I wish men could divorce and keep their kids and their stuff. That would be nice.
#85 - ThatsSoFunnyHeHe (06/11/2013) [-]
Yes, it's perfectly right that the woman always gets the children in a divorce.   
That's completely fair.
Yes, it's perfectly right that the woman always gets the children in a divorce.
That's completely fair.
#88 to #85 - aclopolipise (06/11/2013) [-]
In every post about marriage rights or gender equality, there's always a camp of people who need to post this. My question is - why? We all know this is an issue at this point.
User avatar #89 to #88 - ThatsSoFunnyHeHe (06/11/2013) [-]
Because this post acts like it's a good thing.
#97 to #85 - anon (06/11/2013) [-]
To be fair, no one is saying "women should always get the kids", they are saying that it was a plus for the women that the men didn't care if they got custody or not. Men in Sparta didn't really spend an awful lot of time with their children, so it makes sense their mothers got to take care of them.
User avatar #24 - osimonmagus (06/10/2013) [-]
This is total ******** . Nothing but hive minded bitches getting each other off on fallacy's. Kinda like feminism.
User avatar #57 - comeherekids (06/11/2013) [-]
I can't focus on nor agree with anything that reads like this: "AND ******* GUESS WHAT ELSE?? THOSE BADASS MOTHER ******* DID COOL STUFF AND ******* KICKED ASS CAUSE THEY'RE ******* ************* AND **** "
That is really annoying and I am waiting for it to stop forever.
User avatar #33 - rjake (06/10/2013) [-]
weren't girls more likely to be killed at birth than boys?
User avatar #36 to #33 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
you're confusing ancient sparta with young china.
User avatar #54 to #36 - rjake (06/11/2013) [-]
ah, my mistake. They did kill runts and sick babies or something, didn't they?
User avatar #55 to #54 - trollmobile (06/11/2013) [-]
they killed anyone that wasn't a healthy, strong baby.
User avatar #56 to #55 - rjake (06/11/2013) [-]
okay, makes sense. thanks
#40 to #36 - verby ONLINE (06/10/2013) [-]
and current china
User avatar #44 to #40 - trollmobile (06/10/2013) [-]
1 child policy has been gone for quite a few years now.
#45 to #44 - verby ONLINE (06/10/2013) [-]
Well then recent China
User avatar #71 to #44 - amissingmouse (06/11/2013) [-]
Actually...no it hasn't. The concept is that the parents still have to pay extra tax for any extra children they have, and as well as that, many MANY girl babies are still abandoned at orphanages all over China.
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