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#18 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
And they were the ones who didn't wanna sell clothes to fat people. Gotta say, I'd rather be fat then as ugly as he is.
#61 to #18 - mushizombie (06/06/2013) [-]
than :3
than :3
#80 to #61 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
First time I've ever made that mistake. I deserve punishment.
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#21 to #18 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
I dont care why people think it is a bad thing he doesnt want to make clothes for fat people.

He wants to make clothes for a certain type of physique. Thats his choice and it doesnt effect anyone else.

All the comments about how ugly he is are just fat people being spiteful
User avatar #82 to #21 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
I'm not fat. I can fit in their clothes. I just don't want it. I don't really care that they don't make clothes for fat people, I just found it ironic and amusing that a guy who's criticised and disrespected others for their looks is butt ******* ugly himself.
#84 to #82 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
For their weight they chose to be.

Not the face they were born with.
User avatar #87 to #84 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
Yes. But it's still ironic. I'm not trying to criticise the moral aspects of A&F decision, as I don't really care. I just happened to be amused by it.
Also, on another note, you cannot generalise and say fat people are all the same. Yes there are the lard asses who just don't care and eat like pigs and turn fat. Those are probably the majority. Having said that, though, there are also a good portion of fat people who are fat because some other problem, be it metabolic diseases or other forms of physical handicap. Some people take vital medicine that cause them to become fat. This is actually a rather common side effect of many stronger forms of psychiatric medicine.
Then there are also people who are fat because of some underlying psychological issue that causes them to lack control or self discipline when it comes to eating. Is it people's own fault that they have psychological issues or need psychiatric medicine, or metabolic diseases? I'm not saying all fat people can use this as an excuse, implying they need one, because as previously stated the majority most likely cannot. I'm merely remarking that performing a rough generalisation of large and diverse group of people is narrow minded and is no more justified than discriminating someone on behalf of their looks.
User avatar #33 to #21 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
So you're saying that because I'm fat and I don't like his words, I'm not allowed to find them offensive? He could have said things waaaay differently. He said specifically that he makes clothes for the "in crowd" and "fat people are not cool". I actually have hated A&F for a long time, simply because the store smells like douchebaggery and I want to throw up every time I'm forced to walk by it when I go through the mall. I've smelled dead animals that made me think happier thoughts than that store. Just saying, it's not cause I'm fat, it's cause the store is just really, really, stupid.
#34 to #33 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
Well there are two things.

1) Being offended doesnt mean anything.

2) He may not have worded what he said the nicest. But he wasnt saying it to cause offence.

So since being offended doesnt mean anything in its self. The only way offending people can really be deemed bad is if its meant to offend people and be nasty, which he didnt. So you might as well have been offended for the fact that he spoke english rather than japanese. It was nothing to do with him, its you that is the problem.

People purposely being nasty to him about his looks however are purposely meant to be offensive and nasty.

See the difference?
User avatar #35 to #34 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
hmm.... I do see the difference, but that doesn't mean he didn't intend it to be offensive. From what I hear, he thinks fat people are disgusting and shouldn't be popular, and he wants nothing to do with them. Which is like saying that gay people shouldn't be married. I don't mean offense by saying it, I'm just going with the bible, so why do all the gay people/activists get mad when I say that, it's a personal belief. They're not allowed to get bad at my personal beliefs at all?
#40 to #35 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
Being gay isnt a choice.

Being fat is.
User avatar #81 to #40 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
You still don't have any right to be hateful or disrespectful to people who made another life choice than you. Even if being fat is a choice that still doesn't give you any right to disrespect them any more than you're allowed to disrespect gay people.
#83 to #81 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
The thing is though, calling fat people fat is literally calling someone what they chose to be.

Its their fault if they get offended for being called something they chose. They should be ok with their choice.

Thats how insults work. You call someone something they are not and of which they chose not to be, or an exagerated version of what they are (But of which they still did not choose).

However if they get offended at being called fat, that is them being unhappy with their own choice, and so is their fault for being offended.

The same way calling someone "Moustache" because they chose to have a moustache is not an insult.

But calling a woman "Moustache" is an insult because they dont have one and chose not to have one.
User avatar #85 to #83 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
How does a woman not have a moustache of choice? She could just shave it off like if she was a man. I don't see how that's any different.
I agree that simply making that objective observation that someone is fat is not insulting. But A&B did was directly disrespect fat people by saying that they're not cool etc. Thereby stating negative prejudicial and generalising opinions about fat people that they have justification for.
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User avatar #72 to #40 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
See this is where I get thumbed down and people get mad at me because they think that I actually dislike gay people, simply because I used them as an example lol. gay people are free to do as they please, even if it means stickin it in the butt/scissoring, I have zero problems with that, or them getting married, I'm not allowed to judge them. In the end though they'll burn in hell because of their choice, but while they're here, I'm not gonna be an asshole to them, because that's not what I believe in.
User avatar #90 to #72 - KazumaKyu (06/07/2013) [-]
"they'll all burn in hell because of their choice"

You sound so reasonable and logical until you mention religion, you know that? The moment you mention religion all your credibility flies out the window.
User avatar #94 to #90 - sasorikingofrocks (06/07/2013) [-]
I should rephrase that though, you're right. It is my own personal belief that gay people will be sent to Hell to burn in its fires for all eternity once they have lived to the end of their days. *
User avatar #91 to #90 - sasorikingofrocks (06/07/2013) [-]
Why are you questioning my personal belief though? I believe in God sir, and who are you to hate me for that, I don't hate you because you don't like religion. In fact I pity you, because you don't know what eternal love feels like. Too bad you can't feel this, it's awesome bro .
Here is my exact belief on homosexuality.
Go ahead and be a homo. It doesn't affect my personal life one bit. Go ahead and get married, it also doesn't affect me. Have all the butt-sex and scissoring you want, it still doesn't affect me. As a matter of fact, I'm just going to live my life as I normally would, and the only way a homo's gonna make me angry is if he actually does something that makes me mad. However, God judges everyone, and already has a plan for everyone, so I will not interfere. If gay marriage is made legal, well then that's God's plan. If all of a sudden every one whos slept with the same sex drops dead because of God, well then that's God's plan. I am not the person to interfere with his work .
User avatar #93 to #91 - sasorikingofrocks (06/07/2013) [-]
You claim that my religion takes away my credibility, when in fact it is you who have judged the Christian, for having a personal belief that fits with most of society nowadays.
User avatar #95 to #93 - KazumaKyu (06/08/2013) [-]
Perhaps I phrased that wrong. Let me be more clear.

Simply put, your religious beliefs have no place in an argument of logic and reason. It's the fact that you thought your personal beliefs were at all relevant to the topic at hand that throws your credibility into question, not simply the fact that you are religious.

In other words, the first person to bring religion into an argument that was not originally about religion (or having anything to do with religion) accomplishes only two things:
1. the derailing of the argument
2. relieving themselves of all likelihood of being taken seriously should they attempt to further argue their point.

No matter what lies anyone may tell you, the argument of gay marriage is not religious. In fact, by the laws of our constitution it can't be religious. This is because (and this is something people really must be made to understand) in the eyes of the state marriage itself has nothing to do with god. Marriage is first and foremost an institution of the state, and the constitution says that church and state are separate entities.This is why one must acquire a marriage license if one wishes to be married--you can't just say your vows in front of a priest (or other qualified official) and expect the state to to acknowledge your union. If those religious peoples among us want to tack additional meaning onto the union of two individuals under the eyes of the state, that is their opinion (and one they are entitled to). However, the fact that said additional meaning has been tacked on should not in any way effect how the state handles the laws governing the making of that union.

State =! Church
Church =! State
And (in a perfect world) never betwixt the two should meet. Sadly this is not a perfect world, but we should still strive to keep the two as far apart as humanly possible.
User avatar #96 to #95 - sasorikingofrocks (06/08/2013) [-]
Oh I know there's a separation between church and state. Obviously you're not understanding me at all. Let me use "Logic" which you have so flawlessly mastered.

I brought up something that I feel justifies my thoughts, and you decided to punch it in the kidney, and send it packing, simply because you don't find it credible that I believe in God. The bible states, that a man who sleeps with another man is an abomination. Or something along those lines, and now that is what I believe. Like I said, gay people can get married if they want, that's not my issue. Marriage is a union of two people who love each other, and yes, gay people can love each other. My point, is that this guy said that fat people are disgusting, and I'm not allowed to get offended because it is his personal opinion and he didn't mean offense by it. But when I say that gay people are disgusting, and expect no gay people to be offended simply because it's my opinion and I don't mean offense by it. I'm just saying what I truly believe to be right. This had nothing to do with marriage until you misconstrued my words haha.
User avatar #97 to #96 - KazumaKyu (06/10/2013) [-]
... this is what I get for skimming comments in potentially volatile reply chains until I find one that peaks my interest.

My apologies.
User avatar #98 to #97 - sasorikingofrocks (06/10/2013) [-]
It's all good haha, I need to figure out my words better to cause less confusion amongst the readers. Great conversation for the internet though man.
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#42 to #40 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
Insulting them due to how they were born which is out of their control.
Insulting them for their choice.

Its a pretty simple yet huge difference.
User avatar #74 to #42 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
and wait.... didn't you just say that he didn't insult us fat people? I thought he was just stating an opinion? Why can't I just state my opinion? Why all of a sudden does it become an insult? just go to bed dude lol.
User avatar #63 to #42 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
lol you think I chose to be fat? XD I have a naturally slow metabolism, and that's not my fault. I also have naturally larger organs than most people, also not my fault. so you call me fat because of things that are uncontrollable on my behalf? XD you have a twisted view of the world sir.
#78 to #63 - kez (06/06/2013) [-]
Get this into your head.

Everyone has problems with their natural body type. Either too fat or too skinny.

But they overcome those problems because they choose to. The same way you are fat because you do not choose to over come those problems.

I personally have massive thigh muscles and a fat ass. To make it so i do not have a ghetto booty I have to do a **** ton more cardio than my friends. The only difference between most fat people and in shape people in the inshape people choose to put in extra effort to counter balance their short comings physcially, fat people choose not to.
User avatar #88 to #78 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
That's true, no one believes they are perfect in their own respect, there's nothing I need to get into my head. If I were to choose the proper way to look at it, I never chose to be fat, however, I chose to remain fat, which is why I accept being fat. If I'm not going to work towards changing it, then how can I in good mind complain about it? I think all in all, my point here was, I respect his opinion, because that is what he is entitled to, I do not however respect the way he worded it, and that is my opinion, which I am also entitled to.
#68 to #63 - anon (06/06/2013) [-]
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Your fat logic is astounding. You might even be on this site, also XD Is cancer so **** off.
User avatar #71 to #68 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
And just for your information, my "fat logic" whatever the **** that is, is flawed in ways, yes, but everything is, and don't expect it to be perfect, this is why the world is full of assholes .
User avatar #70 to #68 - sasorikingofrocks (06/06/2013) [-]
Why the **** is XD cancer? when did people become so nazi'ish about emoticons haha. You want me to express myself as a goddamned android when I speak through the internet? you're funny dude.
User avatar #19 to #18 - sausageparty (06/06/2013) [-]
Picture related. He has a similar face.
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