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#36 - nebuchadnezzaurus (06/02/2013) [-]
Jeez, i-it's not like I wanted to save you from the Joker... Y-you dummy!
#2 - jdsalenger (06/01/2013) [-]
False. Batman's milkshake brings all the girls to the yard and damn right it's better than yours.
#1 - yolvag (06/01/2013) [-]
#44 to #1 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
#21 - givingtree (06/02/2013) [-]
I think that in a lot of mainstream comics, for the most part, this isn't such an issue. I only really mind it when I struggle to focus on a story because of the way women are portrayed, for example:
- Looking sexy and well-polished whilst dying/being tortured.
- Tracing women's poses from porn stars (Greg Land)
- Every single woman being super sexy and attractive. Sure, I can handle Starfire dressing like a stripper, she's meant to be sexy, but when the serious professor character is wearing a tight vest with her labcoat tied under her breasts, that's just plain weird and unrealistic.
User avatar #16 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/02/2013) [-]
As much as I agree that women are objectified too much in games and comics, men are objectified just as much

What the comic is saying is that a man puts himself in the protagonists shoes in order to feel more powerful and have women fawning over him, but honestly, I have never once heard a girl say "Ew, I don't wanna look hot. I don't want to have exactly these size breasts. I don't want to feel comfortable and sexy enough to be able to expose my body in places I want to expose it", and for MANY women it feels empowering to have those men fawning over you and wanting to do all these things in your favour, and it would feel just as good to kick the **** out of some guy as this same woman. Having the looks and power to back up your decisions, JUST like men want (and again, men are teased just as much as women are for not being fit or hot. As much as a woman might say "Personality is all I care about" looks certainly don't hurt, and I've seen more women fawn over some dick who was good looking than a dick who was ugly)

It's a power fantasy for BOTH men and women, and a sexual fantasy for how they see the opposite sex, and any person who denies has some serious reality checking to do
#20 to #16 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
While I agree, I think the problem arises when it becomes completely realistic. Sure, a lot of women want to look sexy, but I'm going to go ahead and say that most of those same women feel uncomfortable reading about a character whose costume is so horrendously unrealistic it would be painful to wear. For example, the odd number of female characters wearing metal underwear and still having a cameltoe.
User avatar #22 to #20 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/02/2013) [-]
And what about the odd number of male characters that can wear the heaviest armour and still have bulging muscles? A lot of people complain about the scant female armour in fighting games, while nobody even cares to mention how the men are ALWAYS ripped (unless their abilities somehow revolve around them being disgusting), ALWAYS having their muscles showing, ALWAYS handsome (unless aforementioned reason, their power revolves around such uglyness). And not only that, but it's WORSE for men, because you can't complain that a woman looks good without having a hundred more call you a sexist pig, but it's perfectly acceptable to judge a guy based upon his lack of muscles, or ugliness, or a small penis.

I'm not saying women don't have it hard, they do, and it should be fair, but I'm also saying we have to be realistic here. Either it's all okay, or none of it is, ANY form of compromise is hypocritical.
#23 to #22 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
I still think that in comic books it's more of a problem for women, though I agree that in real life the whole 'calling somebody ugly' thing is biased.
The problem is that it's easier to relate to male characters. You have the Hulk, who's massive and burly. You have Hawkeye, who's still muscly but slimmer. You have Wolverine, who's short and muscly, you have Cyclops, who's tall and a bit more wirey.
Then compare this to women. You have Emma Frost who's big breasted and slim-waisted. You have She-Hulk, who is also big-breasted and slim-waisted. You have Psylocke, who's also big-breasted and small waisted. It's acceptable to imagine that some female superheroes would be slim and not very muscled, but all of them.

Then there's the problem of background characters. Flick through any comic book and look at the characters who only appear for one issue and are aged between 14-35. The males have a range of figures, some are even fat. The females usually look like models.
User avatar #55 to #23 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/02/2013) [-]
Just as well, it also works in favour of women just as much as it works against them. What kind of outcry do you think there would be if the main villain was this disgusting, fat, slob of a woman (as some male villains are)? What do you think the outcry would be if a woman was to be horrendously beaten and shoved aside in a fight (as some male heroes are)? I mean, even in the God of War franchise, a series known for its brutal violence and depravity and bloodshed, there was a massive outcry over how you 'brutalized' a certain enemy in the new game, all because the enemy was a woman.

So I can fully sympathise with comic and game makers that make hot, sexy, intelligent, witty, and powerful female characters, only to use them in one shots. Because honestly, with all the political correctness going around, what the hell are you supposed to do? (Although I agree that women should not be MADE to look sexy with skimpy outfits just like men should not be made to look heroic with muscled outfits. You should dress how you want to dress)
User avatar #54 to #23 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (06/02/2013) [-]
Indeed you are correct, but you are also forgetting that most guys don't always agree on exactly how they want to look, while women (statistically) want bigger breasts and a slimmer waist.

You're also forgetting that those fat and disgusting males usually serve as a bad guy, or to demoralize the hero, or to be a coward, or to call in an attack, or any type of thing that's generally seen as bad, only for them to be rescued or thwarted by the big, strong, muscley hero
#18 - lavitts (06/02/2013) [-]
Sooo, Fire Emblem? But he's gay.
User avatar #47 to #18 - onionbubs (06/02/2013) [-]
And if all your favourite women superheroes were lesbian, would you complain?
#3 - bobthedilder (06/01/2013) [-]
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#34 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
"big hulking muscles have jack to do with what females such as myself find attractive"
******** .
User avatar #41 to #34 - givingtree (06/02/2013) [-]
Women do like muscles, but there's a difference between liking somebody having a six pack and liking somebody who looks like they're about to burst out of their skin with veins sticking out everywhere.
#37 to #34 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
What are you talking about? Why do you think there's a ridiculous obsession with "bishonen"?
Yes I'm sure lots of women find guys with big muscles attractive. But lost of women don't, she's obviously one of them.
#25 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
yes the girls in comics are sexy, but sexy is just the outcome of looking HEALTHY you're not gonna see a fat disgusting wonder woman with diabetes, if she's hot it's cause she's thin, if she's thin it's cause she's HEALTHY same goes for guys, don't expect to be the fat ass who saves the day. And besides i think it's a good way for kids to see that you rather be built than a fat lil ****
User avatar #27 to #25 - givingtree (06/02/2013) [-]
I think the problem isn't so much that they're not fat, it's that they're not muscled either. Hulk has at least 7 times the muscle mass of She-Hulk, and a lot of artists don't draw her with any muscle at all.
#28 to #25 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
I think she referring to the gigantic tits. If a womans skinny, most the time they wouldnt have huge breasts.
#29 to #28 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
ALSO the clothing they make them wear where its basically just piece of cloth over the vagina and nipples.
#51 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
Sexy females != objectified. If you're an ugly female and seeing hotter females whether in media or in real life makes you uncomfortable, then that's your own insecurity and lack of self-confidence.

You don't see men bitching about those thin effeminate douches the fashion industry uses for male models.
#45 - jaigurudevaom (06/02/2013) [-]
She's got a point
The armour/costumes/poses female characters go through is pretty ridiculous
User avatar #50 to #45 - thewowpimp ONLINE (06/02/2013) [-]
you seen 300?

The real Spartans wore less.

Woman just prefer mobility and act like Spartans while men act like Athenians
#46 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
**** that women are sexual objects and that's all they should be. Men are the superior gender and they have to realize that. The only reason why we let them think they are equal to us is so we can **** them. We know if we told them the truth they wouldn't have sex with us, so we pretend and let them think what they want. I swear once we find a way to make babies without needing women they will become our sex slaves.
User avatar #13 - xyxoz (06/02/2013) [-]
Boys get DC, girls get BBC.
User avatar #17 to #13 - lavitts (06/02/2013) [-]
That... actually seems fair.
#4 - anon (06/01/2013) [-]
This post actually made me pissed off. I couldn't even read the rest of the ******* comic. Chicks in comic books are NOT objectified, it's just feminists complain like they always do. If this is OC (which it probably isn't) then **** you OP.
#7 to #4 - anon (06/01/2013) [-]
This is someone's opinon, someone who clearly thinks that there is a problem with the objectification of women in comics. Pretending that people don't think the same way you do doesn't make a problem go away, but rational discussion on both sides can lead to a solution.
#12 to #4 - captnpl (06/02/2013) [-]
look up the "Hawkeye Initiative"
#19 to #4 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
It's not just the bodies that are the problem, it's the fact that a lot of artists (cough, Greg Land, cough) draw all women with exactly the same 'sexy' face, even if they're supposed to be different races.
User avatar #6 to #4 - tarnis (06/01/2013) [-]
you are honestly fooling yourself if you don't think they are objectified, it sells and always will.
#5 to #4 - Animefreake (06/01/2013) [-]
You have to admit, that the author of this comic, have somewhat of a good reason to believe, that girls in comic books are objectified. some of their designs is just very suggesting.
User avatar #33 to #11 - whycanticaps (06/02/2013) [-]
"there is a god"

oh lawd
User avatar #38 to #5 - nebuchadnezzaurus (06/02/2013) [-]
Yeah, I agree... why don't you uh.... post some more evidence... you know, to substantiate your point even better.
User avatar #8 to #5 - OptimaTentacle (06/02/2013) [-]
Is that supposed to be Starfire?
NOOOOOOoooooooo oooooo
User avatar #9 to #8 - ThpiderMan (06/02/2013) [-]
That's years and years old, but yeah, that is.
User avatar #26 to #9 - OptimaTentacle (06/02/2013) [-]
Yean, I looked her up after seeing this picture, realizing that Cartoon Network fed me nothing but lies about who Starfire was. I don't read comics, so the only way I know any superheroes is if they were on CN and if they were DC; I hated watching almost any cartoon related to Marvel without knowing then that Marvel and DC existed.
User avatar #39 to #26 - ThpiderMan (06/02/2013) [-]
Yeah, I love starfire in the Teen Titans show on CN but pretty much any of her comic interpretations are vulnerable to the "all girls dress like whores" rule of most comics.
#53 - anon (06/02/2013) [-]
isn't that just how anime draws "kawaii" boys?
User avatar #49 - Izen (06/02/2013) [-]
damn fine bats
lookin damn fine
User avatar #48 - endface (06/02/2013) [-]
While I can agree with the point I find the "Male poer fantasy" a bunch of crap.
User avatar #35 - ilovemyguns (06/02/2013) [-]
Comic books are generally marketed to the male population, as they are the majority buyers. They are just feeding in to the majority buyers to continue to make more profits.

I don't see the problem.
User avatar #40 to #35 - givingtree (06/02/2013) [-]
I think nowadays the market is starting to even out, I see plenty of women at my comic book store. However, I think those women who could show an interest in comic books are put off by the lack of decent female characters, so the industry is stopping itself from evolving by putting off a potential market.
User avatar #52 to #40 - ilovemyguns (06/02/2013) [-]
Not quite true, the more they put respectful female characters without showing any skin, the more male interest may decline. Gain females, lose males.
User avatar #56 to #52 - givingtree (06/03/2013) [-]
That makes sense, but it's possible to have a comic book where there's maybe one skimpy-costumed heroine but others who are more realistic and easy to relate to.
User avatar #57 to #56 - ilovemyguns (06/03/2013) [-]
They have those, they don't sell as well as skimpy DC and Marvel comics though.
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