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#118 - nimba
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(05/29/2013) [-]
I have a question. So say you're rolling down the street with your gun on your hip, fully loaded and one in the chamber. A scruffy, toothless old man snatches your groceries out of your hand and runs off. Are you really going to shoot this guy down commit murder for this? If not where's the line? what if he takes it at knife point? Is that ok? but how do you know it's not just a bluff and he's not going to stab you just for your bag or the cash in your wallet.
tl:dr carrying a firearm for self defense is as overkill as using nuclear missiles for border control
#219 to #118 - tjcomics
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(05/29/2013) [-]
First scenario, its illegal to fire or even draw your weapon, as he is not taking part of a life threatening situation.
Second scenario: Pull your gun, and aim and take it off safe. Only when he lunges can you shoot. You're taught that you have to do what you must to defuse a life threatening situation. If it is a bluff, he'd run away when the weapon is aimed at him, but if not, you shoot, not especially to kill, but to cause him to stop the situation he's causing.
TL;DR you're only legally allowed to shoot to kill if it is a life threatening situation, where you or another person can die or be critically wounded.
#206 to #118 - I Am Monkey
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(05/29/2013) [-]
The first scenario you should probably try to threaten him with it, but obviously not shoot him.
The second one, he threatened your life you can legally put him in the ground.
#178 to #118 - snickerstheif
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(05/29/2013) [-]
wait so i should defend myself when being mugged by a guy with a knife?
#191 to #178 - nimba
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(05/29/2013) [-]
I dunno, I guess if you don't mind getting stabbed. Personally I would rather be somewhat poorer than be seriously hurt
#174 to #118 - snickerstheif
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(05/29/2013) [-]
If an old scruffy man is capable of taking your groceries you are retarded
#175 to #174 - nimba
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(05/29/2013) [-]
Pretty much anybody could take anything out of your hand if they surprised you.
#131 to #118 - jtwagner
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(05/29/2013) [-]
At that point i wouldn't be shooting to kill, but they definitely wouldn't be walking afterwards.
#147 to #131 - nimba
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(05/29/2013) [-]
why would you shoot though
#148 to #147 - jtwagner
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(05/29/2013) [-]
Because I've already caught them, but I'm not going to hold them down myself till the cops get there.
#149 to #148 - nimba
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(05/29/2013) [-]
What if you crippled them forever
#165 to #149 - anon
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(05/29/2013) [-]
Legally, if you purposely shoot to wound, then it can be argued that your life and/or the lives of those around you were not, in fact, in grave or immediate danger.
#151 to #149 - jtwagner
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(05/29/2013) [-]
intent.
#161 to #151 - anon
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(05/29/2013) [-]
The only time the law here in the US recognizes drawing and shooting in self-defense is when your life or the lives of those around your are in grave and immediate danger.

If your attacker turns and runs, the fight is now considered over and you cannot legally shoot.

Shooting someone for stealing your groceries doesn't meet that standard and doing so will rightfully land you in jail for a very long time.

Please read the book, "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob.
#156 to #151 - nimba
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(05/29/2013) [-]
You are clearly a 12 year old that doesn't understand the difference between a human life and a bot in some game
#127 to #118 - theamazinganalidk
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(05/29/2013) [-]
If you took the right classes on weapons then you would know that they teach you when it's okay to shoot and when it isn't. You shouldn't carry a gun if you aren't trained with it. Obviously if someone steals groceries it's not okay to kill him. And what if he takes it at knife point? You pull your gun on him, a hobo with a knife is gonna be scared of a gun. Carrying a gun isn't just about shooting people.