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coexistence is possible part 2. Part one here: /funny_pictures/4541115/co-existion+is+possible/ All mighty source here: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-f

Part one here: /funny_pictures/4541115/co-existion+is+possible/
All mighty source here: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/pope-francis-good-atheists_n_3320757.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

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#6 - iamtheblackgoat (05/23/2013) [-]
Saying Catholicism is optional makes it a lot more tolerable

Good on him
#361 to #6 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
Except that isn't at all what he said.
#490 to #6 - SILENCEnight (05/24/2013) [-]
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#231 to #6 - deathstare (05/23/2013) [-]
Now, as a scientist, I work strictly on possibility. Seeing as it doesn't matter (supposedly said by the Pope) to the Christian God what religion you are. That you will be redeemed if you do good, I have come up with a problem (or a solution, if you want to look at it that way)

Consider this. If one dies a good hearted Christian, there is the Christian chance of redemption. However, if they were to choose a different religion, or Athiesm, they could potentially benefit from the Christian chance AND whatever other chance.

Mathematically this could work out!
What could go wrong?
#520 to #231 - clockworkphysicist (05/24/2013) [-]
What field do you study?
User avatar #318 to #231 - swimmingprodigy (05/24/2013) [-]
because in every other religion you go to hell if youre not a member of that religion. So even if youre going to heaven as an atheist and a Muslim lets say, youre still going to hell in Judaism, Hinduism and whatever else.

inb4 no heaven/hell only achieving nirvana, caste system, etc.
User avatar #381 to #318 - deathstare (05/24/2013) [-]
Remember the argument dear boy. If one religion guarantees you heaven if nice, then expand your chances by practising one that doesn't
#527 to #381 - clockworkphysicist (05/24/2013) [-]
Actually if the Jewish religion is correct everyone goes to heaven.
Actually if the Jewish religion is correct everyone goes to heaven.
User avatar #582 to #527 - deathstare (05/24/2013) [-]
Well there you go! In order to maximize your chances (as the Pope and Jewish say) don't be a Christian or a Jew!
Probability my boy!
#584 to #582 - clockworkphysicist (05/24/2013) [-]
Interesting theory!
....I think I am gonna stick with protestant though.
#84 to #6 - totallynotme (05/23/2013) [-]
Pope Sloth< Water coloured Pope Sloth
#387 to #84 - hektoroftroy (05/24/2013) [-]
only relevant image
#70 - chuckbillrow (05/23/2013) [-]
its crazy how much nicer the Catholic church has gotten now that they are no longer lead by a sith lord
#303 to #70 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
heil hitler
User avatar #189 to #70 - arcticassassin (05/23/2013) [-]
All this picture needs is lightning coming from his hands
#342 to #189 - newforomador (05/24/2013) [-]
Not the same photo but it works.
Not the same photo but it works.
#173 to #70 - marcalo (05/23/2013) [-]
"sith lord"
User avatar #333 to #173 - tehlulzbringer (05/24/2013) [-]
I may be wrong, but I think that was the joke
#365 to #333 - Bobtheblob (05/24/2013) [-]
I may be wrong, but maybe that's why he posted a picture of a man laughing.
User avatar #394 to #365 - tehlulzbringer (05/24/2013) [-]
So pointing out a joke with a disfigured face next to it... is that new thing, now?
#518 to #394 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
That face has always been used.
User avatar #417 to #394 - marcalo (05/24/2013) [-]
I'm pointing out that I found that phrasing very funny. That's all.
#583 to #394 - Bobtheblob (05/24/2013) [-]
For someone named "Tehlulzbringer" you don't bring many lulz.
User avatar #1 - psychopsychedelic (05/23/2013) [-]
It's kinda funny, because I'm a Catholic, and when he was elected people were talking about how he is so "set in his ways" and he's just another "old man". He's actually turning out to be a pretty cool guy.
User avatar #124 to #1 - kyletr (05/23/2013) [-]
I don't keep up with most things, but didn't he purposefully pick his er.. pope name, because it was a famous reformist within the church?
User avatar #210 to #1 - mistafishy (05/23/2013) [-]
Really? I never stopped hearing about how he was wrought with change and he was going to morph the Church into a modern day religion. I still thought he was an old holy fart.
User avatar #510 to #1 - psychopsychedelic (05/24/2013) [-]
I was not expecting that to get any thumbs.
User avatar #191 to #1 - threeeighteen (05/23/2013) [-]
He defeats teh bad guyz and doesn't afraid of anything.
User avatar #4 to #1 - werrew (05/23/2013) [-]
First impressions and stereotypes are lies we created so we could be able know if we are comfortable or uncomfortable right away and we won't have to face any surprises we don't want to face. Some however forget that not all surprises are bad.
User avatar #5 to #4 - psychopsychedelic (05/23/2013) [-]
I couldn't agree more. I find myself always stereotyping and categorizing people, without any real cause. When I heard about him, I automatically concluded that it was another few years of the same stuff. I'm impressed with his stance on most issues thus far. If only all stereotypes could be undone like that.
User avatar #7 to #5 - werrew (05/23/2013) [-]
Well stereotyping is a natural thing humans do to help organize our lives (i.e separating skittles by colour to find our favorite flavor is a form of stereotyping or genocide depending on who you ask.). And to be honest steryotyping add humor to life, me and my friends joke around all the time about it. You just need to know when is the right time to say such things and when is not (I.e making a offensive around somebody who may be offended) because you can't really please everyone and something you say one day will end up offending somebody else
#82 to #7 - zurk (05/23/2013) [-]
Thank you! Everything about that is so true! Stereotyping was necessary for our evolutionary success, and thusly is natural reactions for a lot of people.    
   
Have an unrelated gif in my thanks.
Thank you! Everything about that is so true! Stereotyping was necessary for our evolutionary success, and thusly is natural reactions for a lot of people.

Have an unrelated gif in my thanks.
User avatar #176 to #82 - werrew (05/23/2013) [-]
I'm just happy to spread my share of knowledge around ^_^
User avatar #9 to #7 - psychopsychedelic (05/23/2013) [-]
Thank you sir, it's a personal favorite.

Offending people is so easy, it's become an embarrassment for our race. Being offended doesn't mean anything, it just means you are offended. I don't remember the comedian's name but what he had said hit the nail on the head.
User avatar #8 to #5 - werrew (05/23/2013) [-]
Awesome username by the way
User avatar #40 to #4 - notapeopleperson (05/23/2013) [-]
I find it hilarious how he just suddenly slipped out a side gate and people were like, boring, boring, boring, HOLY **** ITS THE POPE...
#212 - sharksloveme (05/23/2013) [-]
I really hope no one tries to kill him. It usually happens to the 'live and let live' people.
I really hope no one tries to kill him. It usually happens to the 'live and let live' people.
#227 to #212 - strangesir (05/23/2013) [-]
I agree, and also hope you didn't just jinx it.
#79 - zurk (05/23/2013) [-]
Actually, the Catholic church has believed this for years. People are just freaking out because a Pope is reiterating it..? (He's a super-nice pope, though.)    
   
What people get confused by is the Extra eclesiam nulla salus (spelling?) or &quot;Outside of the Church there is no Salvation.&quot; This is actually cryptic for meaning:    
Anyone who truly and utterly seeks truth and follows their conscious to the best of their ability, even as an atheist or polytheist, is considered in the church (Gaudium Et Spes Document).   
   
People always think of pre-Vatican II stuff, which is when a lot of accepting reforms that not all Catholics *cough* remember actually happened. Tell THAT to the next bitch who says you're going to hell. This is why my mostly Catholic family is fine with me being Agnostic, because technically their religion says it's fine.    
   
Sorry for long post. If anyone has any questions, I'm a bit rusty, but I can try and answer?    
   
(Sources: Raised Catholic. Actually not an ignorant 			********		 about world religions.)
Actually, the Catholic church has believed this for years. People are just freaking out because a Pope is reiterating it..? (He's a super-nice pope, though.)

What people get confused by is the Extra eclesiam nulla salus (spelling?) or "Outside of the Church there is no Salvation." This is actually cryptic for meaning:
Anyone who truly and utterly seeks truth and follows their conscious to the best of their ability, even as an atheist or polytheist, is considered in the church (Gaudium Et Spes Document).

People always think of pre-Vatican II stuff, which is when a lot of accepting reforms that not all Catholics *cough* remember actually happened. Tell THAT to the next bitch who says you're going to hell. This is why my mostly Catholic family is fine with me being Agnostic, because technically their religion says it's fine.

Sorry for long post. If anyone has any questions, I'm a bit rusty, but I can try and answer?

(Sources: Raised Catholic. Actually not an ignorant ******** about world religions.)
#213 to #79 - kez (05/23/2013) [-]
Thats super grasping at straws.

But beleive what you want, I mean it makes you a better person grasping at those straws so go for it.
#100 to #79 - Bloodgartham (05/23/2013) [-]
Same here  My father accepts whatever I believe as long as it does not to harm to others (indluding people of other religions, sexuality prefrences, skin, ethnic heritage ect.). So being born Catholic, now I am not sure what I am, deffinetly not religious, is not all that bad.
Same here My father accepts whatever I believe as long as it does not to harm to others (indluding people of other religions, sexuality prefrences, skin, ethnic heritage ect.). So being born Catholic, now I am not sure what I am, deffinetly not religious, is not all that bad.
User avatar #108 to #100 - admiralen ONLINE (05/23/2013) [-]
but what if you discover that the one true religion is of the fire ozai? then you will be forced to hurt people, unless you wanna BURN!!
#560 to #108 - Bloodgartham (05/24/2013) [-]
Then any such "god" would be an unjust one, and not one I would serve.
User avatar #586 to #560 - admiralen ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
THEN YOU SHALL BURN!!!
#382 to #100 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
I have so many LoK gifs/images. And now I have one more. Thanks!
I have so many LoK gifs/images. And now I have one more. Thanks!
#529 to #79 - catsaremyreligion (05/24/2013) [-]
Wow. I don't think I've actually seen another person on this site that is truly familiar with current Church doctrine. Everyone loves hating on the pre-Vatican II traditionalists that are still out there...
User avatar #328 to #79 - garymotherfingoak (05/24/2013) [-]
no questions, you just made my day and gave me a good religious argument weapon.
User avatar #186 to #79 - SlowpokeForever (05/23/2013) [-]
Can I just say of all religions, Catholicism draws me the most BECAUSE you lot aren't total dicks? I mean I was raised Baptist, and kinda fell out of it. I'd love to know more about the Church and how I could join.
User avatar #380 to #186 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
Well since you've been baptized Baptist (I presume) you're already a portion of the way in. As far as I remember, any Christian Baptism = Catholic Baptism. The whole 'becoming Catholic' process takes a few months of classes, but technically one doesn't need to become Catholic at the end to take the classes. The last time I heard of it, people who just want to take the class can take it. (Course is called Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults [RCIA] where I'm from.) Other places may require someone become a Catholic at the end, but I find that just silly. Depends on the church you find. I know the more detailed steps of RCIA, but I don't know if you want to know those. Other than that, the whole process is pretty complex. I forget when it starts, but the full initiation ends on Easter.

Also, if you have any misconceptions about what the religion actually says on evolution, big bang, interactions with other religions, most people's political views, etc. I still have Ye Ol Catechism on the religion section of my shelf, too. Sorry I over complicated this message.
User avatar #402 to #380 - SlowpokeForever (05/24/2013) [-]
No very good details And yes, as a Baptist I have been Baptized.
User avatar #453 to #402 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
That's nice! If you're serious about looking into Catholicism, I find it beneficial. Follow the other advice people gave you, and just take a nice look into it. Good luck on your quest for truth!
#224 to #186 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
As a student attending a Catholic Faith College (UK) I've had to learn of Catholic teachings, raised a catholic too, and I must say some of the views are pretty ****** , unfortunately. For example, IVF and surrogacy are not allowed for couples who cannot conceive naturally because both masterbation and allowing another person into your marriage is seen as wrong. Basically Catholic faith proclaims that those who can't conceive weren't meant to. As well as this, out of all Christian faiths, Catholic (aside from Evangelical Christians and Creationalists) condemns Homosexuality the most. This is just the faith itself though, the actual followers don't all support these views. I'm not being a jackass here, I'm just telling you not to leap into this faith with two feet, as, just as with any, it has it's bad points. I also know a lot about the faith (despite being atheist now) so I could point you into all the right directions about wanting to join if you're interested
User avatar #226 to #224 - SlowpokeForever (05/23/2013) [-]
I think I'd definitely want to get my feet wet with it, I mean, neither I nor my girlfriend are sterile, and we're both gay rights activists, so I guess those two don't bother me too much. But yeah
#235 to #226 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
It's not looked down upon in any way by the catholic community, it's just considered "wrong" in the Catholic Catechism (like the Catholic rule book haha it's a crazy book), I suggest heading to your nearest Catholic church then, attending a mass, and then speaking to the parish priest afterwards, and he'll talk to you about all the stages you go through to join the faith (simple stages really). Hope I've been of some help
User avatar #236 to #235 - SlowpokeForever (05/23/2013) [-]
Indeed, I appreciate it.
#273 to #236 - doubleac (05/24/2013) [-]
Hey if you're looking to learn more about the catholic faith I can recommend a few sources.
For a book regarding our teachings on Sex: Get Good News About Sex and Marriage by Christopher West. A few die hard Catholics disagree with how the author presents the doctrine, but it's nothing that can't be balanced by reading other theologians works, except then you'd have to deal with funky wording.
For almost any question you might have, try searching Catholic Answers on YouTube or going on the website. They have videos on why we believe in things like purgatory, papal infallibility, sacred tradition.

And finally, though I haven't read any of his works but he is on catholic answers, look up Dr, Scott Hahn. He is an anti-Catholic turned convert, Presbyterian I believe.

Sorry for the lengthiness.
P.s. practicing catholic xp a big sinner, but the church is my hospital :p
User avatar #368 to #273 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
(Scott Hahn is kind of great irl [I live next to him] though his books have holes in them, they're really great reads. I suggest even non-Christians read them.)
#383 to #368 - doubleac (05/24/2013) [-]
Wow that's amazing! Aha are you catholic?
User avatar #385 to #383 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
Was raised as such. My brother currently has him as a professor. I'm agnostic currently, but Catholicism and Baha'iism are my two favorite religions. Interesting to learn about the history, and the resonating effects religions have, you know?
#393 to #385 - doubleac (05/24/2013) [-]
Does your brother attend Steubenville? And what is Baha'iism? And I agree aha, I'm sorry but if Dr. Hahn was my neighbor I'd never stop asking questions xp
User avatar #396 to #393 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
That he does! When I say neighbor, I mean Hahn lives a block away from my brothers' house, where I stay when I'm in the state. And I love having the bragging rights of saying I'm near him. Baha'i (The -ism isn't really.. there) is the belief that Muslims, Christians and essentially all other religions are simultaneously right and wrong. They believe that the God they believe in is correct, and all the same God, but they have different traditions and prayers. It's a democratic religion based in Israel, but a portion of my extended family was raised as such. Basically no alcohol/pleasure drugs ever, no premarital sex, follow the Ten Commandments. Basically any prayer in any religion can be considered a prayer they use and accept. It's fascinating and brilliantly peaceful.
#403 to #396 - doubleac (05/24/2013) [-]
Hmm that's interesting. I could never practice what Muslims practice though, not out of hatred but, probably because I don't know much about their faith. Like, one can know about the schism of the church, but not the particulars of why and over what doctrine. To me I guess it boils down to what Mother Teresa said, something along the lines of, "of you're a Muslim, be the best Muslim you can be. If you're Buddhist, be the best Buddhist you can be" something like that :p
Do you believe in a universal right and wrong? In the Baha'istic faith I mean :p
User avatar #451 to #403 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
Yeah, I do believe in the universal right and wrong. It's just logical to me.
Also, my high school required we take a course in every major religion, so we better understand it. And Islam was for Freshman year. Christianity and Islam actually have a LOT in common. Like. A lot. When you take away the extra stuff, they're very similar in attitude towards other religion, reverence for woman.. even the four pillars are essentially exactly the same.
And Mother Theresa was a BAMF. What was more than her selflessness, was her continual doubt. It shows that even the best people have their struggles.
#468 to #451 - doubleac (05/24/2013) [-]
Haha I was told in my youthgroup that she never heard God's voice until she was 50 years old or so. And I can understand that, I have a great respect for Muslim women that wear their Burqas, so inspirational!
Aha I studied those in world cultures class in 7th grade. Mainly Confucianism, Daoism, Buddhism, Islam, and Christianity. I don't quite recall if we studied Judaism. Not in complete depth though, just the history and what makes up the fundamentals of their faith and why it's important.

Well bro, it was nice talking to you. Glad to finally meet someone on hear who has ties to Catholicism :p it was a pleasure good sir!
User avatar #480 to #468 - zurk (05/24/2013) [-]
She? Do you mean he, as in the prophet Muhammad? Honest mistake if so.
And that's wonderful that you studied those things! Nice talking to you, too. Difficult to find people with respectable Catholic pasts online. Have a lovely life. And that's *ma'am to you.
#575 to #480 - doubleac (05/24/2013) [-]
Oh dang, wish I had that reaction image. Aha I was talking about Mother Teresa :p Peace be with you sis
User avatar #164 - ompalomper (05/23/2013) [-]
this pope seems like a nice guy.

that saddens me however

for it is often those who desire peace who get assassinated
User avatar #166 to #164 - sagedivinity (05/23/2013) [-]
Aaah see, now I'm depressed
User avatar #181 to #164 - rakaka (05/23/2013) [-]
you might be right
one of the signs of the apocalypse is the Pope being assassinated in Israel. This would cause a mass conversion of Jews to Catholics because they realized he laid down his life for them, which is the actual sign.
User avatar #420 to #181 - ithinkihaveaids **User deleted account** (05/24/2013) [-]
a sign according to whom? all signs of christian apocalypse are in the gospels and the bible or no where at all.
User avatar #593 to #420 - rakaka (05/24/2013) [-]
you answered your own question...
User avatar #594 to #593 - ithinkihaveaids **User deleted account** (05/24/2013) [-]
then source please.

sounds like a nostradamus sign
User avatar #299 to #234 - trishaferr (05/24/2013) [-]
I have no idea why I find this so bloody funny, but god dammit, I do!
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#335 to #35 - jakesir (05/24/2013) [-]
I saw you try to sneak that in there, you sneaky Canadian.
#165 - psykojet (05/23/2013) [-]
Meanwhile, www.reddit.com/r/atheism/ is still being a whiny little bitch over it.

We are giving you tolerance, which is what you wanted and now you are biting the hand that feeds. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT?
User avatar #481 to #165 - YllekNayr ONLINE (05/24/2013) [-]
Actually, I frequent r/atheism every day, and I can tell you that the number of posts praising the Pope are the highest they've ever been. Granted, it's still not ALL that high, but when this was fresh news, it was several times a day, mentioned. Usually in a positive manner.
#569 to #165 - savvasp (05/24/2013) [-]
I like how Christians went from the phase of "I don't care if someone is an atheist I'm a loving person" to just bitching about EVERYONE that's an atheist using the excuse that atheists are worse. It's like a neverending cycle of butthurt from both christians and atheists lately.

Also this picture is on frontpage of /r/atheism
#515 to #165 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
Not siding with the redditfags here but it is kind of off for them to try to include atheists in their religious afterlife so to speak.
#170 to #165 - dashgamer (05/23/2013) [-]
The hand that feeds? What are you serving, ******** ?
All jokes aside, atheists of all people don't need the pope to validate their beliefs or lack of them.
#178 to #170 - kevinlasvegas (05/23/2013) [-]
On an unrelated note, I read it in the professors voice.
User avatar #180 to #178 - dashgamer (05/23/2013) [-]
Eh, I don't know why people are getting butthurt. It was a joke.
And, I reiterate, why should any atheist care about papal acceptance of all things?
User avatar #183 to #180 - ICEDgrunge (05/23/2013) [-]
It gives Catholics no reason to approach an atheist and say he/she going to hell and it gives one less reason for atheists to bitch about Catholicism.
User avatar #185 to #183 - dashgamer (05/23/2013) [-]
Yeah, the pope saying "eh, atheism is all right as long as they are good by our moral standards" isn't going to change anything. And what's wrong with debating beliefs, anyway?
User avatar #200 to #185 - ICEDgrunge (05/23/2013) [-]
That statement changes just a thing or two just by going by what my statement was, it won't change nothing. And also, there's nothing wrong with debating beliefs, but that's not how most 'debates' go. Everyone has witnessed the complete feuds that go on by Christians and Atheists alike, attacking each others beliefs left and right. Such an act is not helping anyone understand eachother, and it only leads to more fighting. No resolution is gained by the arguments, no better understanding. This statement at the very least serves to give any decent Catholic one less thing to attack others with, if they weren't so 'enlightened' with this knowledge already.
User avatar #206 to #200 - dashgamer (05/23/2013) [-]
I lived in the Bible Belt for eight years and was frequently told of hellfire or that my life is "dark and soulless" or some other crap, but it never escalated into feuds or violence. In fact, being around people who so adamantly believed in something was more conducive to my personal moral growth than anything. Nonetheless, I don't see how this is some form of altruism from the pope, and I especially don't see how this statement's meaninglessness to atheists should be considered "biting the hand that feeds," as they weren't being fed from that hand.
User avatar #217 to #206 - ICEDgrunge (05/23/2013) [-]
Alright, first of all, I apologize for your upbringing, it shames me to see people treated like that. But understand this, I didn't put you into that category of the people who do such wicked things with their beliefs, I didn't point fingers at anyone in this thread. Maybe I didn't convey this enough, but in my last statement I used the term enlightened, referring to the pope's statement sarcastically. What Pope Francis stated at his Homily was something I've believed for years. It did not take me until now to see the truth in this, I do not now and have ever believed myself better for believing this and I don't think of him any higher for stating this, I think of him higher for being the one to state this, it will change a lot of the Catholic People's attitudes towards many others, and if they don't align with that change, they're not understanding their figurehead, and that's a pretty pathetic Catholic.
I can see I won't sway you on the topic of how meaningful this statement has been, and I won't try any further, if what my statements presented so far can be considered 'trying', but know that I'm not defending the guys idea of "Biting the hand that feeds." I am presenting the idea that now that this has been publicly said by the leader of the church, an atheist now has one less attack on their beliefs to worry about from any proper Catholic. The hand that we're talking about wasn't feeding atheists, I agree with that, it was beating them, and now that hand has a restraint.
User avatar #232 to #217 - dashgamer (05/23/2013) [-]
Yeah, I never really had an issue with the pope's dictum, but more towards psykojet's hyperbole up there. If his influence brings a more dialectic view to his constituents, that'll be wonderful, but if I were to propagate the idea that it won't really change anything, I'd say that the idea of "good actions" as a prerequisite for entrance to heaven is a very ambiguous thing unless you apply Catholic dogma to it. If atheists have their own moralities, disparate from the Catholic definition of good and bad, there will still be discrimination and there will still be the stigma of "you're going to hell for doing these things."
It doesn't really matter to me that much, but a figurehead saying "good people reap a reward" doesn't change that there will be butting heads.
User avatar #459 to #165 - spartusee (05/24/2013) [-]
Holy **** I have never seen more faggotry in my whole life at one place. The amount of elitism there is astounding. I'm not exactly a christian anymore but I am still rustled every time I see these neanderthals, "all christians r dum free think it YOLO ricky gervais lol, *Insert something that happened 600 to 1,000 years ago* u see this bad thing that happened? FUNDAMENTALISTS DID IT!" ******* atheist bigoted scum.
#169 to #165 - strifethethird (05/23/2013) [-]
More Cheez Its
User avatar #16 - platapus (05/23/2013) [-]
if he only changed his anti-gay views he would be the perfect pope
User avatar #294 to #16 - youngduece (05/24/2013) [-]
Well Catholicism or at least the BIBLE says that homosexuality is not a isnt because it is not optional, however it is a sin to carry out homosexual acts in the form of sex. Just clarifying for anyone who didn't know
User avatar #413 to #16 - ithinkihaveaids **User deleted account** (05/24/2013) [-]
oh god with you people, people have different opinions and you have to accept that.
how about try not giving a **** that does he allow them or not?
it's not like the pope is setting laws or anything.
#497 to #16 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
Well it's not really up to him to change that. He's only a man
#499 to #16 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
yea but his fanclub would kill him if he tried to do that..
#184 to #16 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
if only he went against the book that he has devoted his entire life to?
User avatar #203 to #184 - gokombwantu (05/23/2013) [-]
Sure.
I think it would be brilliant if the pope lead a massacre of sin and sodomy against everyone in existance.
That would be hilarious.
User avatar #579 to #184 - platapus (05/24/2013) [-]
by not stoning women who try to have authority to death he is going against the book
#28 to #16 - baconfattie (05/23/2013) [-]
I think it'd be more important if he made the church stop forcing the idea that "using condoms is a sin" and stop the damn epidemic of AIDS in Africa.
User avatar #48 to #28 - Crusader (05/23/2013) [-]
He did do that.
He even said right after being made pope
"The use of condoms is allowed if it is to stop the spread of disease, because you are stopping more deaths than you are causing"
#56 to #48 - baconfattie (05/23/2013) [-]
Then that's ******* wonderful!
User avatar #23 to #16 - herpymcderp (05/23/2013) [-]
Something tells me he isn't as anti-gay as everyone thinks.
#78 to #23 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
Next to no-one is as anti-gay as everyone makes out.
The media takes this phrase "Oh my god, you're such a faggot" and turns it into "Anti-gay extremest, behind 9/11, stabs a puppy 76 times."
User avatar #25 to #16 - anonibusii (05/23/2013) [-]
As far as I know, he has actually mentioned that gay people should be respected, yet marriage is only allowed (at least, catholic marriage) for "fertile" couples AKA men and women. Don't ask me anything more about it, just saying what my teacher says.
#159 to #25 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
he has been known to support civil unions though
#18 to #16 - ninjabadger (05/23/2013) [-]
&lt;-- Pope Francis   
   
No one can be perfect, but we can dream.
<-- Pope Francis

No one can be perfect, but we can dream.
User avatar #367 - delphine (05/24/2013) [-]
You know, I'm not Catholic, but I like this guy a lot. He seems to actually really understand what it means to be a Christian and applies the principals. He's super down to Earth, before he became pope he lived in a humble apartment and he's gotten rid of a lot of the extravagance that previous popes were used to. For example, instead of sitting on a throne on an elevated platform when he meets people, he sits in a simple white chair so that he is at the same level as the people he's talking with.
#344 - Booojangles (05/24/2013) [-]
I like New Pope guy. He seems cool with Atheist guy while being good friends with sky beard guy. He doesn't afraid of anything
#91 - walcorn (05/23/2013) [-]
I like this new Pope guy...   
   
He sounds like a reasonable fella.
I like this new Pope guy...

He sounds like a reasonable fella.
User avatar #171 - mrfourtysevenman (05/23/2013) [-]
athiests are cool people
just dont get a tight butthole and poke out everyones eye with your sharp opinion whenever somebody says jesus
#50 - djequalizee (05/23/2013) [-]
That's kind of what i do. I'm an agnostic person, and i'm pretty much just nice to everyone i meet.
#61 to #50 - sorrowfulone (05/23/2013) [-]
Same here. Have a nice day.
User avatar #73 to #61 - djequalizee (05/23/2013) [-]
You too, random user.
#93 to #50 - anon (05/23/2013) [-]
DONT DARE TO BE NICE TO EVERYONE!
User avatar #67 to #50 - vedgetable (05/23/2013) [-]
i tried to think of the opposite of agnostic, i came up with ass-a-hollic
User avatar #72 to #67 - djequalizee (05/23/2013) [-]
What
User avatar #75 to #72 - vedgetable (05/23/2013) [-]
penis potatoooooooo
#238 to #75 - Visual (05/24/2013) [-]
Should we call 911?
User avatar #241 to #67 - deathstare (05/24/2013) [-]
An ass-ahol
#411 to #241 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
knock-knock
whose there
its the police ma'am, your son has been hit by a hit a run driver. the driver was an ass-ahol
User avatar #288 to #50 - fyaq (05/24/2013) [-]
im a christian. i do the same regardless of what religion or beliefs i have.

theres no reason not to.
User avatar #289 to #288 - djequalizee (05/24/2013) [-]
I never judge people on religion unless it effects others around them in a negative way.
User avatar #290 to #289 - fyaq (05/24/2013) [-]
i respect most religion.

not scientology.
**** those faggots.
User avatar #174 - rakaka (05/23/2013) [-]
Francis is best Pope
#347 - arearea (05/24/2013) [-]
i not looking be be &quot;redeemed&quot;   
   
but it is great to see that people realize that religious  does not always equal moral
i not looking be be "redeemed"

but it is great to see that people realize that religious does not always equal moral
#352 to #347 - rakuraimasuta (05/24/2013) [-]
Agreed.
Agreed.
#511 - jagenblitz (05/24/2013) [-]
He said that atheists can be "redeemed through Jesus", which seems to mean that atheists can be saved if they believe Jesus is the son of God.

He also says that atheists can "do good" but never seems to say that that is enough to go to heaven. Naturally this is all rather ambiguous but Pope Francis doesn't seem to be saying anything besides "Not all atheists are dicks for being atheists" which is . . . cool, I guess.
#336 - pxthreezerothree (05/24/2013) [-]
People in comments need to chill out, on both sides. The Pope hasn't changed anything, this is and has been Church doctrine. He is just stating more plainly and vocally than most before him have. That doctrine is that Christ died to redeem mankind. Not just Catholics, not just Christians, not just Pete and His other pals: Mankind as a whole was and is redeemed. This means that we have the choice between doing evil or doing good. Mankind (both as a whole and as individuals) can only do good if we are following God's will and that requires the assistance of Christ's grace through the Holy Spirit. And because of Christ's Sacrifice, we are always able to be receiving of His grace through the universally redemptive qualities of that Sacrifice. Key points to key detractors. Fellow Catholics: read your Catechism, it talks about this at the very beginning. Protestants: he is not saying belief is not necessary for Salvation, move on to something else you consider heresy. Atheists: this means does not mean the Pope believes you will go to Heaven.


TL;DR
Pope is saying everyone is capable of and obligated to do good. The Pope is encouraging atheists in particular to do good because it is the only way they may be saved and that thought makes him happy.
#544 to #336 - anon (05/24/2013) [-]
I think the biggest cause for the **** storm is the fact that the pope, a mortal man, is saying an atheist can be redeemed as in saved if all they do is good deeds. What's making everyone angry is that in the bible it directly says the only way into heaven is through god/Jesus not by what you do or how nice you are.
#585 to #544 - pxthreezerothree (05/24/2013) [-]
First off, he never said they were saved. Redeemed and saved are not synonyms (theologically speaking). All of mankind is redeemed through Christ's Sacrifice and only proceed on to the Father through Him. Second, he is saying everyone is obligated and can do good. Doing good is a function of Christ's grace through the Holy Spirit and the will of the Father. Since we are all redeemed in Christ's Sacrifice, we can all receive His grace and do good. And the more we do good, the more we are following in Christ. So they may deny Him explicitly but can follow Him implicitly and thus be saved through the Father's unending measures of mercy towards us.
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