Crooked Guy Cop. .. saying all cops are bad is like saying all Muslims are terrorists....
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#9 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Supreme court case states that refusing a search does not qualify as probable cause. I forget the plaintiff but yeah
User avatar #237 to #71 - falloutfanatic ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
curios question: if they ask you to step out of the car, do you have to comply?
User avatar #25 - YoursTruley ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
saying all cops are bad is like saying all Muslims are terrorists....
User avatar #172 to #25 - doodnotheface (05/20/2013) [-]
A C A B
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#193 to #177 - lamarisagoodname (05/20/2013) [-]
Did you say something?

Go pick up a book and learn about Jihad.
#248 to #193 - davidavidson (05/20/2013) [-]
Learn about what?

All I learned was this
User avatar #261 to #248 - cabbagemayhem (05/20/2013) [-]
He also made love to his dead wife. When he was discovered, he said it was to give her pleasure in the afterlife, but Mark 12:25 contradicts the need for that.

"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." Mark 12:25
#255 to #248 - lamarisagoodname (05/20/2013) [-]
I have the Qur'an right in front of me and I would love to know on what basis you translated any of that, and where you came up with a surah called "Koran"

Do you honestly have that little self respect that you believe any picture you see on the internet?
User avatar #332 to #255 - davidavidson (05/20/2013) [-]
Research it dude. I'm not even kidding. They try and make excuses for it on youtube even
User avatar #344 to #332 - lamarisagoodname (05/20/2013) [-]
I have here a Qur'an printed with authorization from Al Qurah university (largest university in Saudi Arabia) and I cannot find these verses in the Qur'an or the Hadith, what exactly am I looking up?
#245 to #193 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
What did he say?
#27 to #25 - davidavidson (05/20/2013) [-]
Saying I'm calling all cops bad is like not making sense.
#28 to #27 - icheatjews (05/20/2013) [-]
haha well said
haha well said
User avatar #378 to #27 - YoursTruley ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
-______- yea yea...
User avatar #379 to #378 - davidavidson (05/21/2013) [-]
I still love you m8
User avatar #389 to #379 - YoursTruley ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
love ya too
User avatar #23 - Sinless (05/20/2013) [-]
I remember back when I was young and had some semblance of confidence in police.

Then one night, a few days after I got back from a camping trip, I got pulled over. He thought I was sketchy looking and asked to search my car. Fine, whatever; I didn't own any drugs at the time or paraphernalia. However, I did apparently own a weapon.

The machete I used to go camping, laying next to the other camping **** I was too lazy to unload. He cited me for a ******* knife I had in the trunk. I didn't really trust cops before that but it made me realize that you can't risk it.

I never let them search me willingly now.
User avatar #35 to #23 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
where the hell do you live that your not allowed to own a knife? the cop did his job but the government where you live is ******* retarded
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User avatar #95 - theshadowed ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
I like British Police. We have a few dicks, but not as much as America it seems
User avatar #109 to #95 - wacemindu (05/20/2013) [-]
Maybe the Americans just bitch about it more.
User avatar #374 to #95 - oxYKellark ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
No we have awesome cops, some people are just bitchy and scream brutality when an officer is just trying to do his job, while still being completely within his rights that no one bothers to look up for their home state.
User avatar #247 to #95 - lyiat ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
We have plenty of good cops. People just love to ******* ignore it for the sensationalism of the bad cop motif, which is rarely ever the damn case.
#62 - shamusmcfearson (05/20/2013) [-]
Refusal to allow your car to be searched does NOT create probable cause for them to search it anyway. Basic rule of thumb from all my professors (yes, believe it if you want to or not, but I do major in Law Enforcement) is that if an officer is asking to search your vehicle, they have no probable cause to do so.
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User avatar #29 - chuca (05/20/2013) [-]
it's kinda sad when you realize that most cops( at least where i live) don't care about people at all and just look at it as power and a paycheck

yes there are good cops left, they're just heavily outnumbered by the ones who abuse their power as they see fit or ones that simply don't care at all
User avatar #55 to #29 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
almost all start out wanting to help, then they get ******* hated constantly by everyone for trying to maintain order and protect people, it drives them down and makes them dislike you, they also get to see the worst humanity has to offer almost always, takes away your faith in people
User avatar #30 to #29 - sparkyoneonetwo (05/20/2013) [-]
Not so long ago a very large amount of my cities police where all fired for abusing power and **** like that, thing are much better now
User avatar #42 to #30 - chuca (05/20/2013) [-]
i don't think that'll ever happen here because it's not so much that they're corrupt like extorting prostitutes and gangs or anything, they just think that as a cop they're untouchable, plus most of my city's problems are just druggies and pot smoking kids, so most of the time they are going around intimidating teens instead of actually helping people
User avatar #59 to #42 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
that is helping though, people think cops are useless, but think how many crimes people dont commit cause theyre afraid of the law and cops, they work to prevent crime from happening
User avatar #238 to #59 - chuca (05/20/2013) [-]
maybe some, but around here most really don't care about people, and yea some of it is cause people always hating on them but most is that's how they're trained to act and it becomes how they respond immediately

for example me and my friend( i believe we were around 16 at the time) were walking down the street when a cop pulled over and asked us our names, so my friend asks, like not rudely or anything why they needed our names and he says, word for word "you're gonna tell me your names or i'm gonna kick the **** both your asses" and to alot of people this seems like bs but this is how most cops act around here whether you're polite or not

also it turned out the reason he even wanted our names was they were looking for some kid in the area, though they didn't even have a description to go off
User avatar #241 to #238 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
thats one asshole though
User avatar #249 to #241 - chuca (05/20/2013) [-]
yea, but i've had experience with cops, admittedly sometimes where i was in trouble, and this is how most of them are

another time my grandmother was walking her dog and she was just coming back, we live in a apartment and another lady was bringing her pitbull out, now this was one of the stereotypical super aggressive attack pitbulls that the people probably beat, anyway it ends up attacking my grandmother's dog, lady couldnt get a hold of it and my grandmother ran into the hallway and the pitbull chased them in
this happened over about 10,15 mins so by that time the cops had been called and a cruiser showed up, my grandpa was outside by this time too and when he saw the cop started yelling at him that the pitbull was attacking my grandmother and her dog in the hallway, which you could hear anyways, and instead of going and making sure the dog didn't kill anybody, he started yelling back at my grandpa and tried to arrest him for yelling at him

eventually the lady got a hold of her dog again and got it back into her house, after which the cop left

i have meet nice cops, but honestly in my city there are only two i know of that don't act like assholes off the bat
User avatar #278 to #249 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
thats one unefficient police station, you should do it like we do in sweden and make it hard to be a cop so only decent cops can be ones, then it will be better status to be one since you wont be a donutmunching fat guy no one respects
User avatar #43 to #29 - azraelthemage (05/20/2013) [-]
It all depends on where you live really. Small town cops tend to take things too far (I once saw three cop cars pull over one freaking minivan) and are action hungry at times. Though cops in large cities do tend to take they're job seriously. I'm not saying all cops in large cities are like that, for there's always someone in it for the paycheck. However, location/crimerate does effect their attitude.
User avatar #45 to #43 - chuca (05/20/2013) [-]
definitely, in my city most of the problems we have are druggies and teens, so most cops treat you like one or the other right off the bat, and then wonder why they get a reputation for being pricks
User avatar #12 - whycanticaps (05/20/2013) [-]
I still don't understand all the hate for cops. They are just doing their job
User avatar #184 to #12 - jajathezombie (05/20/2013) [-]
In my experience, how cops interact with you depends entirely on where you are. Cops in high-crime areas tend to be nicer while cops in low-crime areas tend to be dicks. They have a quota to fill, so cops in high-crime areas are more likely to let you go for minor offenses since they fill their quotas pretty easily. Meanwhile cops in nicer areas have a harder time filling their quotas so they're more likely to bust you hard on anything they can possibly find. I live in a low-crime area just outside Baltimore city, so in my district I'll get pulled over for going 2mph over the speed limit and given the maximum fine, but I've driven through the city and blazed through red lights right in front of cops and they didn't even do anything.
User avatar #232 to #184 - psychopsychedelic (05/20/2013) [-]
Quotas were removed in the 80's.

I hate when people say they have quotas.
User avatar #244 to #232 - jajathezombie (05/20/2013) [-]
They're unofficial but implied.
#19 to #12 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
If you don't understand the hate for cops, then you're not paying attention. Pull your head out of your ass.

There are no good cops. All the good cops already resigned because of all the corruption. If you happen to have had an ok experience with a cop, it was only because he happened to be in a good mood when you met him.
User avatar #220 to #19 - rieskimo (05/20/2013) [-]
You sound like the type of moron that dresses like a thug, has a tricked out car like a drug dealer, blasts your music like an asshole and then cry every time you get stopped and questioned by a cop.
User avatar #13 to #12 - metalguitarest (05/20/2013) [-]
Yes, they are just doing their job. However, hassling a bunch of teenagers just because they look "sketchy"is ****** up and judgmental. Now I know everyone judges but I'm not going to search you because you make me uncomfortable. Police Officers are not aloud to search a house or car with out a warrant and a lot of them force it or plant drugs on you and then haul you in. So yes there is a lot of hate for cops. Let's also not forget the countless cases of police brutality, corruption, and despicable actions taken by a high number of police officers.
User avatar #186 to #13 - mrhaihoang (05/20/2013) [-]
Zimbardo prison experiment, even normal participants when given power of guards (aka prison cops) became crooked and bully the prisoners after a while, just because they can.
User avatar #253 to #186 - thorsragnarok (05/20/2013) [-]
It is important to mention that not all the guards did that in the experiment. but the guards who did not exert their power did nothing to stop the guards who did. And on the topic of cops some of them will even tell you that most cops have a God complex, my friend when he was in drivers ed the place had a cop come in and talk to them bout that kinda **** .
#266 to #13 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
the problem is that the police forces have power, and a cop can break into my house and shoot my dog and the worse that can happen is that he is suspended but still getting payed ! Cops who abuse their power should get more severe punishment
User avatar #284 to #266 - metalguitarest (05/20/2013) [-]
I understand that completely. I mean I have nothing to hide so I could care less but they really hassle these kids. If they talked to these kids with respect they would listen
User avatar #227 to #13 - cakefaceify (05/20/2013) [-]
If you look sketchy though it's their job to check it out. Planting drugs is another thing entirely, but how do you expect an officer to be able to tell the difference between one group of hooded teenagers who got into trouble last week, and another group of hooded teenagers minding their own business. It's not easy trying to make sure everyone gets along.
User avatar #41 to #12 - xturboxx (05/20/2013) [-]
When you run into a few crooked cops, it makes you change your outlook on all of them.
User avatar #76 - maggotarms (05/20/2013) [-]
does anybody have any stories about crooked officers? ive been caught a few times drinking underage and such and they all seemed like normal people, they just wanted us to clean up the mess we made
User avatar #191 to #76 - FUUUU (05/20/2013) [-]
>Aunt smokes pot
>cousin and her ex boyfriend are having a baby together
>cousin and ex totally trash aunt's house, are total bums, etc
>one day while they're at work aunt moves all their stuff out to curb, has locks changed
>ex throws a massive fit, keys her car, calls the police because aunt is pothead
>masses of cops show up at aunt's house
>Roid Rage cop comes to window, starts screaming threats at my aunt
>cannot legally enter house without warrant
>threatening to come in and beat the **** out of her, find her pot, and throw her in jail
>breaks window because he was roiding out
>calls my aunt a worthless old hag, a stoner bitch, etc
>decides to break another window to scare aunt
>aunt is sobbing her eyes out, but still does not allow him into house
>aunt closes blinds, only to have them ripped down by Officer Roid
>aunt goes and flushes pot
>Officer Roid is whisked away for "inappropriate conduct" (after all that, wut)
>Officer Nice comes to door, aunt talks to him
>Apologizes for Officer Roid, explains that if needed, they will be back with a warrant
>Nice, however,states that due to the conduct of Roid, that a warrant more than likely won't be approved
User avatar #38 - sleycer (05/20/2013) [-]
to everyone. U can refuse to let them search your car. If they got nothing on you, you can refuse it. It they ask why, you can tell them that you dont want any of your stuff broken. They need a reason to search your car.
#47 to #38 - tjocksnorris (05/20/2013) [-]
Implying pigs are aware/care about those kind of rules
User avatar #49 to #47 - alfjnn ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
>Pigs.

How's the left wing doing, fella?
#68 to #49 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
right wing anon here and I hate cops.

I got pulled over for doing 40 in a 25. But heres why It's not okay. Where I was driving is undeveloped, It was supposed to be a plaza then the economy dropped. So it's just this long stretch of road where the speed limit is way too slow, and everyone speeds, even the dirtbag cops. The cop that nabbed me let a few other cars, and a school bus,( which is essentially a metal tube packed full of people with no seat belts, speeding, and driving like **** .) pass him speeding, then he has to go and whip me over. He had a smirk on his stupid hick face the whole time while he wrote me up. I live in a small town, so they make everything a big deal. THey closed my whole street to cut off a tree limb, I saw some cops taking a kids bb gun away and then cracking it in half. I even saw 3 cops to a single car pulled over one time. Our cops suck balls.
User avatar #40 to #38 - toughactintinactin (05/20/2013) [-]
This is true. Also pulling a U-turn before going through one of the police checkpoints they do is perfectly legal and is not probable cause. There was a guy who did that, they pulled him over and found drugs or something but he fought it in court and got his charges thrown out because the cops didn't follow procedure.
#106 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Just let them look if you have nothing to hide... you'll leave that much quicker. Why sit there and be an asshole and get stuck there for an hour if you could get the whole thing over with in 5 minutes? Are you really that much of a paranoid nutcase that you think the entire world is out to get you? MAH FREEDUMZ! Shut the **** up you conspiracy theorist. Let the police do their damn jobs.
#269 to #106 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
but who the **** are they to slow you down when you've done nothing suspicious? Just because you have a nice car or look like a thug, doesn't mean they can invade my privacy, all you gotta say is "show me your warrant" because that is not a part of his job and it's not being an asshole. If you were on your way to work and some douchecop stopped you and "takes a look" at your car, I'm sure you'd be pissed too
#324 to #269 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
No I wouldn't... I don't get mad at a janitor for cleaning the floor. I don't get mad at a bag boy for bagging groceries. I don't get mad at a baker for baking. He is doing his ******* job so just let him do his job. Now you're gonna be stuck there arguing for an hour while a 5 minute search would be so much easier and quicker...
User avatar #130 to #106 - CargeLock (05/20/2013) [-]
**** off. I have the right to refuse to consent to a search and I'm going to use it damn well.
User avatar #162 to #130 - gammajk (05/20/2013) [-]
You also have the right to smear your own feces all over your stomach, does that mean you should use it?

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you SHOULD use it.
User avatar #164 to #162 - CargeLock (05/20/2013) [-]
I realize that. I'm saying this is a right that SHOULD be used.
User avatar #166 to #164 - gammajk (05/20/2013) [-]
Why?
User avatar #176 to #166 - CargeLock (05/20/2013) [-]
Because it's none of their business. If they don't have probable cause or a warrant they probably don't have a good reason to search me. And if they don't have a good reason to search me, they're probably either profiling or just doing it on a whim. Either way, they should **** off, because it's none of their business.
#204 to #176 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
It'll be over in 5 minutes instead of arguing for an hour... Just let them do their ******* jobs, **** ...
User avatar #210 to #204 - CargeLock (05/20/2013) [-]
I'm not sure where you live, but where I live random searches aren't part of a policeman's job.
#218 to #210 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And where is it that you live? Because here the police protect the citizens... and searching for **** is part of that.
User avatar #225 to #218 - CargeLock (05/20/2013) [-]
The US
#263 to #225 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Same with me. So idk what the **** you're talking about but searches are part of a policeman's job.
User avatar #202 to #106 - jajathezombie (05/20/2013) [-]
It's about proving a point. I remember reading a story about two girls who got pulled over for speeding and the cops wanted to search the car for drugs. They refused, were put in handcuffs, and were cavity searched on the side of the highway. Cops need to stop thinking a badge gives them the right to do whatever the **** they want.
#206 to #202 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And you want to know how that whole situation could have been avoided? If they just said **** it we have nothing to hide, go ahead and search. They wouldn't have to go through a cavity search. You realize that declining to be searched is suspicious? There's no reason not to. It'll be over in 5 minutes instead of arguing for an hour...
User avatar #229 to #206 - jajathezombie (05/20/2013) [-]
Searches do not take five minutes. I've had my car searched before. I was on my way home from grocery shopping, the cop made me lay all my food out on the road, and then called for backup and waited around for the other cop while all the food I had just bought spoiled in the sun. Then when the second cop arrived, they took over an hour looking through everything, and they deliberately took a long ******* time. They didn't have probable cause to search me. The only reason they pulled me over in the first place was because I changed lanes without signaling. I was totally cooperative, let them search me because I had nothing to hide, and they were ******* dicks just because they could be. There comes a point when law enforcement is ******* ridiculous for no reason. If cops came to your house tomorrow wanting to search through all your **** , breaking things in the process, would you let them? No warrant, no probable cause? You have nothing to hide, right? So why not let them stomp all over your privacy?
#262 to #229 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
You didn't signal, it's your fault for being pulled over. Obey the traffic laws. And you need to get over yourself, the whole world isn't out to get you. Relax. I would let them into my house because like you said I have nothing to hide. They wouldn't be breaking **** and if they did i'd report them obviously. They can search all they want.
#119 to #106 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Yes its quite simple
A. Refuse:Might get a long thorough search.
B. Appect:Might just routine fast check(under the seats,glow holder and trunk.)
C. You are ****** :You got drugs/A dead hooker/10 mexican immigerants etc
#128 to #119 - trollchildxy (05/20/2013) [-]
I just say no, say "I have nothing to hide, and therefore have no reason to want to wait for you to search through my car. Is there anything else officer?" If they push the issue I just ask kindly if they would like me to call my lawyer, just to verify what the law says about my 4th amendment rights.

I'm waiting for when the cops get to say "Oh, we removed that one last weak" and give me a full cavity search.Pic unrelated.
#136 to #128 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
All the time you have to have a very perverted smile on your face.
And ofc you can't afford a lawyer anyway.
Then just say you got some coke stuck up your arse.
*bing*
You just had sex.*sorta*
User avatar #139 to #136 - trollchildxy (05/20/2013) [-]
Oh god, I could just see it. Some dude wears a thong, acts all kinky with this cop and gets him to give him a full search.
#148 to #139 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And then we'd have to question.
Does the cop ignore a possible felony?
Or he do his duty to serve and protect?
User avatar #156 to #148 - trollchildxy (05/20/2013) [-]
Oh mister police officer.... I have been a very naughty boy today. Are you going to search me mmmm? *Pulls on thong string and lets it snap hard against his hip* now imagine this silent hero of a man to be 8/10 muscle-bound, tall, and hairy from head to toe.
#200 to #128 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
If you refuse, you are wasting the Officer's time because then they have a reason to think you are hiding something. Just accept the ******* search, jackass.
User avatar #219 to #200 - trollchildxy (05/20/2013) [-]
You sound like a passive-aggressive wuss who would trade freedom for a false senese of security.
#215 to #128 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
You're wasting your time and theirs... There's no reason not to. It'll be over in 5 minutes instead of arguing for an hour... let the ******* police officer do his damn job and stop being an asshole.
User avatar #221 to #215 - trollchildxy (05/20/2013) [-]
You sound like a passive-aggressive wuss who would trade freedom for a false senese of security.

Copy/Paste because you're the same.
#265 to #221 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And you sound like a paranoid ****** who thinks that DAH GUBERNMENT IS OUT TO GET MEH!
#250 - nexcell (05/20/2013) [-]
I was checking one day (working for a grocery store) and there were three people in line, last of which was a local sheriff. The two in front were obviously over the legal age to buy alcohol, which they were all buying some form of drink or another (it was the weekend). I didn't card any of them. The sheriff was actually getting a bottle of jack, so I carded him, scrutinously looking over his license and even held his $20 up to the light and used the bill marker to check authenticity.

mfw
User avatar #256 to #250 - DmOnZ ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Why would you do that? That just makes you an asshole... unless the cop did something that made him deserve it...
#277 to #256 - nexcell (05/20/2013) [-]
just to assert my authority in a case where it was warranted an allowed because of biased reasons. Like when cops do that to others. He was a cool guy and knew I was just messing around. It's a small town.
#281 to #277 - DmOnZ ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Ah well then, that changes things.  Have this gif.
Ah well then, that changes things. Have this gif.
#51 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
i think, by law, they are not allowed to suspect you for not agreeing to be searched,
#77 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
I'm gonna go ahead and join the red thumb storm by saying;   
   
If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have a problem with him searching your car without a warrant. The only reason people care is because;   
   
1. They have something to hide   
or   
2. They have some sort of delusional idea that anything is private nowadays.
I'm gonna go ahead and join the red thumb storm by saying;

If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have a problem with him searching your car without a warrant. The only reason people care is because;

1. They have something to hide
or
2. They have some sort of delusional idea that anything is private nowadays.
#150 to #77 - Memitim (05/20/2013) [-]
Well, actually;

Some of us (myself included) would refuse a search because we don't want to have to deal with the cops making a big deal over something that isn't worth it.

For instance: I'm a sport shooter and a hunter. If I got stopped on my way home from a gun club, with firearms in the trunk or back seat, I would refuse a search. Simply because I don't want to run the risk of the Officer flipping his **** when he notices I've got a bag of pistols in the back of my car.
#173 to #77 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
your ignorance is amusing. by agreeing to a search they are allowed to do things other than simply opening a glove box, trunk, poking their head in. they can tear apart seats, unbolt insides of doors etc. and are not legally or fiscally responsible for any damage done in a search. that's why you don't ever let somebody search without proper legal reasons
User avatar #79 to #77 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Sure if I have nothing to hide neither do they. Would you print off your search history because someone asked you?
User avatar #107 to #79 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
http://i39.tinypic.com/316xb1k.jpg

That's just one day, I can keep going if you want.
User avatar #108 to #107 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I didn't say stop.
User avatar #111 to #108 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Oh boy!

I'll go to porn searches, see that satisfies you.
User avatar #122 to #111 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
No. Trying to show you that police will do what I'm doing but worse.
User avatar #129 to #122 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Too bad I don't care, and wouldn't care in either case. You know why?

I have nothing to hide, therefore no reason to not let them search.

Also, here is part 2, with more 'personal' searches.

http://i44.tinypic.com/73pb9k.jpg
User avatar #134 to #129 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Fine you can live a sheep where the police can search your home whenever they like.
User avatar #137 to #134 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Ah, to taste victory.
User avatar #145 to #137 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Victory?
You are willing to have people search you and possibly plant evidence you can live like that. Where you are a bitch to everyone, cop, criminal alike.
User avatar #364 to #145 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
It's a victory because I've proven that Privacy is nothing. And only delusional buttfags get angry over their 'privacy' getting invaded.
User avatar #382 to #364 - undeadwill (05/21/2013) [-]
It means nothing to you.

But for someone whose gay in the deep south it means allot.
User avatar #83 to #79 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
To add on top of that, I wouldn't need to print my search history, they can check it without my permission remotely.
User avatar #84 to #83 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
No. Print your search history for everyone on FJ
User avatar #118 to #84 - wacemindu (05/20/2013) [-]
Your point is somewhat moot, there is a difference between one police officer who isn't going to give a **** about non illegal private info, and the worlds internet traffic being able to see things on a public forum.
User avatar #123 to #118 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
But he has nothing to hide.
Unless.
You have something to hide too?
User avatar #361 to #123 - wacemindu (05/20/2013) [-]
That's not the point is it. The point is, one person who is a professional and, should anything untoward happen, has a clear line of redress is not the same as the entire internet knowing private information, whether you want to hide it or not.
User avatar #383 to #361 - undeadwill (05/21/2013) [-]
Yeah they aren't the same.
The "professional" who has the right to rip your home apart and search it and then use what he "found" (or planted) to arrest you
User avatar #85 to #84 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Ok, I'll upload it in a while.
User avatar #87 to #85 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Now. And your internet history too.
User avatar #89 to #87 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
There's several months to upload, I'm taking screen shots and putting it all together.

It will take a while.
User avatar #80 to #79 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Why not?

I'm not googling childporn or anything illegal, nobody cares, only you.
#103 to #77 - Thenewguygunther (05/20/2013) [-]
my biggest fear is the cops searching me and finding out i have nothing on me
#138 to #77 - justtocomment (05/20/2013) [-]
I have nothing to hide, therefore I have no reason to be searched. I've done nothing wrong, therefore I have no reason to be treated like a criminal.
If they installed some sort of personal drone tomorrow, that would follow you all the time and relay your actions to law enforcement, would you be okay with that? Even if you don't do anything illegal, that is an invasion of your privacy.
If I'm not doing anything to warrant a search of my property, why should I have to allow it?
User avatar #141 to #138 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
There he is, the delusional privacy fag.
#82 to #77 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
So let the cops search your house when ever they please.
#96 to #77 - icefried (05/20/2013) [-]
Yeah. I have something to hide. That's pretty much the deffinition of privacy. I know or have **** i don't want others to know or know i have.
Imagine if in the glove compartment you have 50 dragon dildos and a bunch of tranny porn. It's nothing illegal, but it's sure as **** nothing i want anyone to see.
So yeah, excuse me for not letting in a ******** who will most likely even plant something on me go through my private stuff.
User avatar #115 to #96 - wacemindu (05/20/2013) [-]
please, like a 12 year old has a car.

Just be polite and comply with what he wants and you'll get away a lot quicker, instead of you making a fuss, acting like an asshole and try to defend your freedoms. He has a Job to do. Grow up and let him do it.
User avatar #143 to #115 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
His job is crush the freedoms of people?
Seriously what reason does he have to search me? None.
But I have plenty of reason to refuse.

Because its a cop makes no difference,
His job is stop criminals and write tickets to fund his job.
I have done no crime, but he will find a reason to fine me.
User avatar #362 to #143 - wacemindu (05/20/2013) [-]
What reason does he have to search you? You answered your own question.
"His job is stop criminals"


He'll have originally pulled you because of some felony, no matter how minor, (busted light or speeding for example) now add in to that the likely shiftyness and unwillingness to comply that will most likely come along with people who refuse a search, he's going to suspect something. In fact the sheer determination of you not to search him is reason enough to justify a search. You might not be hiding something illegal...but how does he know that?
User avatar #381 to #362 - undeadwill (05/21/2013) [-]
Do you drive?
They can pull you over because they feel like it, they really don't need a reason anymore.
And a busted light isn't a felony.

So why not have the police have the power to invade your home when ever they like? Because if they make laws that make things like homosexuality, certain religions, political parties, or items illegal you need your privacy to be able to live.
Sure those things may not be here today but can you be sure of tomorrow?

You missed the second half, to write fines that help pay for the department, he will search for anything he can to fine you.
#327 to #115 - icefried (05/20/2013) [-]
"acting like an asshole and try to defend your freedoms."
i can't even
User avatar #105 to #96 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
He's a cop, he doesn't give a **** about your tranny porn what's he gonna do? ******* Imagr it?
#133 to #105 - Memitim (05/20/2013) [-]
He might ask to borrow it. Imagine how embarrassing that would be?
User avatar #135 to #133 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Then I guess you found another guy with the same gross tastes as you.
#146 to #135 - Memitim (05/20/2013) [-]
Huh. That might be the weirdest way to get out of a ticket ever.   
   
"Yeah, the copper was going to arrest me, then he found my porn in the trunk and we spent the next hour comparing tranny movies we'd seen."   
   
*shudders* Yeah... I think I'd be happier not knowing my local OPP was into tranny's.
Huh. That might be the weirdest way to get out of a ticket ever.

"Yeah, the copper was going to arrest me, then he found my porn in the trunk and we spent the next hour comparing tranny movies we'd seen."

*shudders* Yeah... I think I'd be happier not knowing my local OPP was into tranny's.
User avatar #350 to #135 - icefried (05/20/2013) [-]
You can't be serious. Privacy, then, means nothing to you?
Exactly how ******* sick in the head are you?
User avatar #363 to #350 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Privacy doesn't exist, if they REALLY want to know something about you, they can find it on the internet.

Privacy is something stupid people cling to to feel significant in a world where they aren't.
User avatar #365 to #363 - icefried (05/20/2013) [-]
I knew you were going to say that.. Stupid people tend to cling to idiotic arguments.
..
So if they are so interested in my privacy, let them work for it. I sure as **** won't let them have it without a fight. Why should i make it easy on that idiot if he pulled me over just because he thought i looked suspicious.. **** that guy.
Also, privacy isn't something stupid people cling to to feel significant, privacy is something stupid people, willingly and without a fight, wave their right to.
Privacy is required for a sane mind to function. Privacy doesn't have to be incriminating, it can be just an escape from the lives of other people. Your very own little corner where you can just relax and be yourself, something special to YOU as a conscious living and breathing autonomous entity and ******* NO ONE should have the right to take that away from you, because it is a BASIC human right you silly pile of retarded ******* .
I really can't believe people like you exist.. i truly can't.. if you retards had your way it'd be 1984. every year.
User avatar #366 to #365 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Too bad 1984 was essentially a Utopia, your argument is based ENTIRELY on the delusional idea that anything you have is private.

Which within itself is stupid and futile.
#367 to #366 - icefried (05/20/2013) [-]
You do know what the word "Utopia" means, right?   
Fine.. delusional idea that anything i have is private? Simple to disprove.   
My thoughts are my own and always will be, they will never be public unless i choose to disclose it. My mind will always be my private sanctuary that no one will ever be able to breach.   
   
Your arguments so far have been idiotic and poorly constructed, and you have yet to say anything other than "privacy is a delusion" and refuse to explain why.
You do know what the word "Utopia" means, right?
Fine.. delusional idea that anything i have is private? Simple to disprove.
My thoughts are my own and always will be, they will never be public unless i choose to disclose it. My mind will always be my private sanctuary that no one will ever be able to breach.

Your arguments so far have been idiotic and poorly constructed, and you have yet to say anything other than "privacy is a delusion" and refuse to explain why.
User avatar #368 to #367 - caesarslegion (05/20/2013) [-]
Please, if someone wanted to know your 'thoughts' (which by the way is just a stupid excuse that 'proves' privacy exists) they could torture or beat it out of punks like you with ease.
User avatar #385 to #368 - undeadwill (05/21/2013) [-]
So those things are okay to you?
And no one can torture info out of you. People choose to give up information.
User avatar #369 to #368 - icefried (05/20/2013) [-]
Wait.. disregarding your moronic statement.
How is it a "stupid excuse" that privacy exists? You failed to provide a counter-argument, saying that it's just "stupid" doesn't mean it is you retarded **** .
Oh? What, me simply calling your statement moronic and leaving it at that is kinda ironic, isn't it? Fine.
Torture to learn my thoughts.. how many levels of just wrong are in that thought right there. True though, they can torture me.. Hell, the spanish inquisition proved that. What a fine example of humanity that was. I'm not quite sure what you were trying to say with that though other than that you are a stupid and horrible human being.
Privacy only ceases to exist when we let it. That's why people fight for human rights and not just lay down and let the government trample all over them.
#1 - Rascal (05/19/2013) [-]
Why wouldn't you let a cop search your car?
If you done nothing wrong, and are hiding nothing, why would it matter?
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User avatar #69 to #1 - penisalphanugnut (05/20/2013) [-]
My experience: My friend and I had just pulled into my apartment complex, so we sat in the car finishing our cigarette.

Not sure why but apparently someone thought we were smoking a joint. Cops came and asked to search, and I was all like 'I got nothing to hide. Go ahead'

Well, they found a joint. Not mine. Not my friends, but that of an old friend I had hung out with earlier in the day.
Well, it was in my car, I got in trouble.

TL;DR: someone may have had a roach in their pocket and it fell out. Best not to let them search,
#24 to #1 - honkan (05/20/2013) [-]
Up for some reading?
Up for some reading?
#32 to #24 - ganondork (05/20/2013) [-]
I-I wanted to read...
I-I wanted to read...
#34 to #32 - honkan (05/20/2013) [-]
There we go. Funnyjunk hates GIF images.
User avatar #33 to #32 - honkan (05/20/2013) [-]
Dang, that file. Gimme a minute
#22 to #1 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
That kind of attitude is what's making this country go to **** . **** off, terrorist sympathizer.
User avatar #7 to #1 - GhostOfRavenclaw (05/19/2013) [-]
because it leads to further infractions against personal privacy and then oh **** we live in a police states
#52 to #1 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Because it's my ******* car and I don't ******* have to if I don't ******* want to.
Are you ******* sorry?
User avatar #78 to #1 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I have nothing to hide however, If I walked to cops home and start searching through his things he would arrest me. Why? Would would he? He has nothing to hide.
He is an officer of the law. He is held to a higher standard and if he has nothing to hide he wouldn't mind the world prying into his private life. He has nothing to hide. After all he is the peace keeper and force of good why would he have something to hide?

Why is it that a college student privacy means less than a police officer? He is suppose to be the best of us. He wouldn't us seeing into his life. But we all human and we all have our secrets and to say that our secrets are owned by a man who is the "greater good" because I have done no crime does not mean my secrets aren't still valuable.
Privacy protects criminal and citizen alike, because every saint is a sinner and every cop is a criminal. So if you would have some sympathy and some shame, remember that if you have nothing to hide neither do they.
#6 to #1 - Rascal (05/19/2013) [-]
Because unless they have a warrant they have no right to search my private property.
User avatar #36 to #6 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but they have every reason to ask for your consent
#5 to #1 - asadffdsa (05/19/2013) [-]
I value my privacy
User avatar #39 to #5 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
thats a good one. your privacy is a myth
User avatar #53 to #5 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
why? its a cop, and youve done nothing illegal, the more you say no the more he wants to do it
User avatar #92 to #53 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
"the more you say no the more he wants to do it"

So you let yourself be raped? Because the more you say no the more he wants it.
User avatar #110 to #92 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
except its not the same thing, one is to let an elected officer of the law search your car, the other is getting ****** , its a bad reference, theres no bad after effects of letting him search the car
User avatar #113 to #110 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Unless he plants evidence in your car or finds something he can fine you for like a possible weapon.
User avatar #257 to #113 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
if your not allowed to have a weapon why do you have one? not all cops are ******** and that would be an outright hilarious case if a cop dropped a bag of weed in my car.
"i found drugs"
"ok ive never smoked in my life"
"well thats possession"
"i dare you to try and find any proof i ever touched that bag"
boom case over. you sue the cop and he loses his job. actually i shouldnt say cop. the ******* loses his job. most cops arent ******** but no one talks about the good cop who let him go after you broke eight laws and he was understanding because thats not a good story
User avatar #274 to #257 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
They consider knives and tools weapons.
User avatar #280 to #274 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
where do you live that your not allowed to have weapons? what i was refering to is like a convicted felon with or a minor with a gun. if your not allowed to have a weapon your breaking the law by carrying one in your car.if the state laws determine a table saw is a weapon making it illegal guess what you cant have one.
User avatar #285 to #280 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Its not that you can't have them but even the US if you have a knife or machete they can fine you for it. if you have it in your car
User avatar #288 to #285 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
thats funny ive had five rifle and three handguns in my truck driving around downtown. got pulled over declared my ******* weapon like your supposed to then went about my day. the cop didnt even care that my friends license plate wasnt visible or that he cut him off
User avatar #295 to #288 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Every where its different. New York is hard on that kind of ****
#259 to #257 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Because the jury is going to believe you over a cop stating he found drugs in your car, get real.
User avatar #267 to #259 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
really the jury of my peers who thinks every cop is a part of rampart? a jury of my peers who thinks that heroine should be legalized? yeah i think theyll be mistrusting of a cop
#270 to #267 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Juries have historically believed the police over a citizen in the majority of cases, if a cop says he found weed in your car and you go "Nah man it was planted" like 99.999999% of the people that came through that day, who are they going to believe? (SPOILER: Not you.)
User avatar #275 to #270 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
only problem is most of the jury would probably test positive while i wouldnt. and your probably right except after rampart the faith in police has fallen especially in drug related incidents. and basicly what your telling meright now is that if you were on a jury you would believe the officer willingly? the term inocent until proven guilty or beyond a reasonable doubt come to mind?
#279 to #275 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Not what I said at all, I said the average brain-dead soccer mom on the jury is probably going to believe police testimony over yours, not saying it's right but it's likely to happen. And if the officer says he straight up picked weed off your floor the jury would probably take that as enough evidence to convict.
User avatar #286 to #279 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
except a jury of my peers isnt just brainwashed soccer moms. and im allowed to request a change of venue or change of jury whenever i want. if i get picked up fro drug possession when ive never touched the stuff i want one stoner on the ******* jury because hell know no one would just leave their weed lying on the floor.
#290 to #286 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
The prosecution gets as much say in the jury as you do, they're not going to give you any serious advantage. A stoner most likely would be thrown out due to suspicion that he would be biased/unreliable.
User avatar #293 to #290 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
then ill get one person like you thatll prevetn the unanymous decision. just one person whos been slighted by an officer. and theres plenty out there just look at this thread
#296 to #293 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
A person with a record of being slighted by an officer wouldn't be allowed on the jury, the jury is supposed to be unbiased.
User avatar #300 to #296 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
and a bunch of people who clearly arent my peers by age or experience arent?
#301 to #300 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
You mean those people who are indifferent to your situation? Yes that's the point of a ******* jury.
User avatar #304 to #301 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
so there wasnt a single black person on the oj simpson trial? because people thought the cop was a racist trying to frame a black man.
#345 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
True, it is.
#340 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
That's number is purely speculation.
User avatar #341 to #340 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
yes it is and so is your that 99.99 percent of people will just believe what the cop says
#335 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Are you honestly telling me you think 100% of people have had some altercation with police officers that would constitute moderate/extreme bias?
User avatar #337 to #335 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
i think a good 70 percent of the population has a strong distrust of cops
#331 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
They search these peoples records, they see a guy with a contested ticket then find he thought the cop was ******* him he gets chucked.
User avatar #333 to #331 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
then no one would be on jury ever
#326 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Except they're not going to put a bunch of people on the jury who are biased like that.
User avatar #329 to #326 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
how are they going to know of a bias like that? sure there not going to put the person who says he ******* hates cops but the guy who got an undeserved ticket a few years ago
#321 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
I was responding to your comment about how "and so are you that all citizens are perfectly law abiding brain washed sheep when there is far more evidence of the oppisite" you brought the topic up, I gave you a retort.
User avatar #323 to #321 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
yes but thats not the point. the point is there are more people who would side with the person who has no drug history and a clean drug test over the cop who they dont trust
#317 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Legally everyone is a law abiding citizen until proved otherwise, you don't have the right to treat them like a criminal until it is proven.
User avatar #318 to #317 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
thats not even the point of this argument
#313 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Not all black people thought that was the case, you're generalizing.
User avatar #314 to #313 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
and so are you that all citizens are perfectly law abiding brain washed sheep when there is far more evidence of the oppisite
#307 to #304 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
A black man and a man who has been abused because of his race by a police officer are different.
User avatar #311 to #307 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
really because memory serves that the general thought of the lapd at that time was they were all racist. you know the whole rodney king thing
User avatar #116 to #113 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
cause thats what COPS do, that was retarded, its like, i should be allowed to shoot this guy cause he might be a murderer
User avatar #124 to #116 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I think you done goof'd
User avatar #132 to #124 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
then i should be allowed to shoot you cause you might be a murderer, then everyone would die, some **** is so unlikely you cant alter your behaviour because of it
User avatar #140 to #132 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Yeah you done goof'd hard.
User avatar #142 to #140 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
whatever, wont get a good answer out of you
User avatar #152 to #142 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Because you aren't making sense!
Your grammar is ****** .
Your sentence structure is like reading Latin.
Your logic is that of retarded sheep whose brain is ****** .
User avatar #160 to #152 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
and youre one of those people who cry about grammar on the internet, i dont see any point in refining it to please retards like you, youre not worth it, especially since you whine about it
User avatar #175 to #160 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
"refining grammar to please retards"
So by me correcting you that makes me a retard
But you continuing to type like a 5 year old some how that doesn't make you a retard?
User avatar #181 to #175 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
you correcting me doesnt make you a retard, you whining about it is, grammar has nothing to do with what we were talking about, and suddenly it is all were talking about, you put to much weight into it and i wont fix it up just to satisfy you
User avatar #195 to #181 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Translation "inability to fix my own ****** grammar"
User avatar #198 to #195 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
yeah im done with you, you have nothing more to add to the subject we were talking about, your stupid whining about grammar you can keep to yourself
User avatar #209 to #198 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
"I'm so done"- tumblr faggot
User avatar #214 to #209 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
feel free to think that
User avatar #251 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
So your solution is to take away the power?
They need people just not all of them
User avatar #272 to #251 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
they use the people to make a good world for the people, for they too are the people, then there are usurpers, cancerous assholes who abuse it, but if you take your time and pick the right people to lead they wont be able to take over
User avatar #240 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
No they exist but I live in Texas and have never seen one in my life.
User avatar #239 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Not really.
They don't need me when they got plenty of sheep that won't question orders
User avatar #242 to #239 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
they dont need you alone, they need the people, cause the people hold the power, what im trying to say is that the people dont know how to use the power
User avatar #234 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Also "Hillbillies with guns" Sweet **** you have no idea what America is like.
User avatar #236 to #234 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
>implying they dont exist
User avatar #233 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
So the alternative is to have the state do it?
User avatar #235 to #233 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
the state wont do it, cause the state needs you
User avatar #228 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Lol.
Libertarism is better than anarchy. But every free society needs a little anarchy everyonce and a while.
And here in the US we need a revolution
User avatar #231 to #228 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
You sure dont, people like you will just get raped by the hillbillys with guns and the bigger people then you, you just dont know what it means for people to have no laws binding them, people will steal from you, and **** you over, **** you, and beat your ass, some will kill you for no reason but because they can
User avatar #223 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
What country is that?
User avatar #224 to #223 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
sweden
User avatar #217 to #214 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Yeah want to know why I can think that?
Because I am free.
User avatar #222 to #217 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
ive got more freedom in a better country that knows its **** , enjoy thinking anarchy is a good thing
#61 to #53 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Why not have daily searches through your house, you have nothing to hide right?
User avatar #63 to #61 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
theres a difference between a car and a house, whats there to hide in a car thats private but legal?
User avatar #91 to #63 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Not in the eyes of the law. If its okay to search one the other is okay too.
#64 to #63 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
It's not always about hiding anything, some people just don't want their **** ****** with which is protected under the constitution. Cops are under no obligation to be gentle with your **** during the search, that 16th century vase you're carrying in the trunk? Yeah he can chuck that **** on the ground if he sees fit during these things.
User avatar #67 to #64 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
its pretty stupid to say no, and the constitutions are old and outdated
User avatar #90 to #67 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Really? Outdated?
So those things in the bill meant to keep the government from arresting you because they feel like it?
Fining you over 500 dollars you for breaking no law?
Not using water boarding as an accepted interrogation technique.
The right to say, worship, or protest whatever you want?

But yeah the police state is SOOO much better.
Somethings don't change one of those is the nature of freedom.
User avatar #98 to #90 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
i dont think you understand how society works either, everyone are infact people, just cause you have some **** that was written by people several hundreds of years ago doesnt make it different, the leaders are people, the police are people, everyone has morals, and problem with you is that you think the regular people knows whats best, people have the right to choose for themselves, but what makes you think you control anything right now? your country is ruled and controlled by citizens who know nothing about what they are voting for, you talk about freedoms and police states, but you know nothing of it
User avatar #121 to #98 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
People don't know what is best for them. Never said they thought they did, but is that any reason to make men slaves so to control them and bring them to a vision of your "Perfect world"

And I have control of my actions, my thoughts and my voice. Despite what you say these rights will ALWAYS exist.
And not everyone has morals and some have morality ****** into a destructive whore. If everyone had values we would have no need of the state or church. But we don't. People will do anything and everything possible to stay alive and stay in power.
And if everyone was just and moral than 11 million Jews and many more wouldn't have disappeared in Europe around the years between 1939-1945. If mankind was a moral being we wouldn't have had only 233 years of peace in recorded history. We wouldn't have fought war after war. If mankind was moral monsters would lie buried. But we aren't and we have done everything in our power to show we are incapable of morality or objective morality.
Morality can also be twisted.
Hurting is helping
Death is life
Murder is birth
Slavery is freedom
Ignorance is truth
War is peace
Morality is subjective and objective morality is slavery.

That Constitution first defense against tyranny and until the unthinking masses and fascists like you realize that unless you defend it those freedoms and rights will become privileges and then nothing at all.
User avatar #127 to #121 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
i dont think you get it, everyone arent ******* evil, and im not reaching for a "perfect world" i know we cant get it, people arent perfect, but thats the one reason people needs some control, you get your freedoms, just country are controlled by people who knows what they are doing, and doesnt have to fight for the retarded citizens attention, hurting is helping is exactly what im talking about, take away to give, the constitution is a overromatisised dokument with outdated laws, it needs to be updated just as the rest of society has been, some people are murderers, some people are what you consider "evil", but winners write history, every woman in berlin was raped when it was taken during wwii, **** happens, but you need to make it as little as possible for the good of everyone, problem with most people in your country is that you are way to selfish and dont understand that helping others will end up helping you
User avatar #151 to #127 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Everyone isn't*
I'm*
I*
aren't*
That's*

Faggot do you even grammar?

Not everyone is evil but they do exist and they have the will and drive to conquer.
You are basically saying slavery was good and Hitler did nothing wrong. And slavery to the state is not a future I wish to live under.

How old are you by the way? How old old are you and you still haven't learned the basics of grammar?
User avatar #155 to #151 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
big surprise, when youve got nothing more to go on you go for the grammar, im saying theres bad people on both sides always, but everyone have their reasons, hitler took out the jews so he could pay for the war effort and make the country he loved go forward, you were taught how evil he was, bu no doubt you would hear other **** if they had won
User avatar #167 to #155 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
No because I still can't ******* read your lazy typing.
It take a few ******* seconds to spell check your comment.

I still hate my own country for what they did at Wounded Knee, to Japanese Americans, and more. You say history is written by the victor but refuse to realize that the victor who writes the truth is the same one that tells you to Obey.
User avatar #174 to #167 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
if they write lies they tell you to obey aswell, just not as obviously, and if you cant read it thats that, you dont have to come back, and if you dont understand it youre just as stupid, i just wont bother fixing up my sentences for someone who will whine and cry about grammar
User avatar #179 to #174 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
"if they write lies they tell you to obey aswell,"

Explain this.
User avatar #182 to #179 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
the ones who will tell you the truth lets you make your own choice in the matter, the ones who tell you lies are trying to manipulate you
User avatar #205 to #182 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Yeah. You can't tell the difference.
User avatar #207 to #205 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
>implying you could
you recite freedoms like they mean anything to you, its other peoples ideals you have adopted without knowing what it means to be without it
User avatar #190 to #182 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Expect you see the people who lie and tell you to obey as the same. I see this. You don't.
User avatar #194 to #190 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
they are the same, but i prefer the devil i know before the devil with lies
User avatar #197 to #194 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
The devil you know and the devil who lies are the the same person
User avatar #203 to #197 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
in this they are not, one tells you the truth and their objectives, the other dances around it while the lies are drowning it alive
#73 to #67 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
The constitutions are the foundation of our legal system, if we write off one right it creates a precedent that unravels everything.
User avatar #94 to #73 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
i dont think you understand how society works
#97 to #94 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
I don't think you understand how the legal system works.
User avatar #100 to #97 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
i dont think you understand what cops are, you probably think they are aliens who are just waiting to take over the world
#102 to #100 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Now you're just being silly, cops are people, like you and me, but you can't deny the fact that some people are indeed bad. 90% of cops may be good, law abiding cops, that doesn't mean we should not restrict them at all just because some might not abuse that power.
User avatar #104 to #102 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
im not talking about not restricting cops, cops are bound to the law just like everyone else, but if cops cant have some privileges no one will be able to stop the ones who actually break the law
User avatar #154 to #104 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
They do just fine without trampling freedom.
User avatar #157 to #154 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
except theyve got whining assholes like you who call them evil and wont let them do their jobs
User avatar #165 to #157 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I will let them do their jobs but if they have to crush the freedoms of the people to do it what's the point?
User avatar #170 to #165 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
you dont get it do you, they protect your damn freedoms, you prefer anarchists raping your mom?
User avatar #185 to #170 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I am an anarchist.

If they protect my freedoms than they won't mind staying in line with regulation and my "Whining"
User avatar #216 to #185 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Its still a better direction than fascism.
I rather have a libertarian government than one of anarchy
User avatar #189 to #185 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
but anarchy has nothing to do with freedom, cause anarchists will take away your freedom for their own freedom, its retarded, theres a reason all societys have had laws
User avatar #208 to #189 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Its a better direction than fascism.
User avatar #212 to #208 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
you say that now, but when you starve to death cause someone a little bigger then you rapes you and steals your food that leader who can control the assholes suddenly seems a little nicer
#112 to #104 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Cops already have privileges that assist them in fighting crime, but the people have rights too like the right to be secure in their possessions and against unreasonable search and seizures.
User avatar #114 to #112 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
except some **** you dont need, you dont need to carry ******* guns, getting your car searched hurts no one except people who are guilty and deserve the **** , you can talk about rights, but its an useless right
#117 to #114 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Useless right? Alright let's say it's abolished, the police now have the ability to search, your house, car, work, and take anything they want, gee what a fantastic idea.
User avatar #120 to #117 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
no, they cant take what they want, they can search for illegal **** , you keep reaching for such stupid **** , COPS ARENT EVIL, believe it or not, theyre regulated like ******* crazy, cause retarded people sue them over small **** , its like the dumbass that sued mcdonalds cause she burned her mouth on the coffee
User avatar #158 to #120 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
******* **** kid shouldn't you be in school?

User avatar #161 to #158 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
and you go for personal attacks aswell, thanks for proving that you have nothing more to say
User avatar #169 to #161 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I can go on all day.
User avatar #187 to #169 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
good for you, it doesnt make any difference, in an argument atleast i get to see your views, in personal attacks you just write stupid **** i dont care about
User avatar #211 to #161 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
I know you are beyond help. You are so deeply ignorant to the world around you and its scary.
User avatar #188 to #161 - undeadwill (05/20/2013) [-]
Because your viewpoint is as ****** as your grammar
User avatar #192 to #188 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
the freedom youre talking about is all about being a loner, in a society you need rules and people who keep the rules, besides, arguments are about learning both sides of your point, i know you wont get convinced by me, and i wont get convinced by you
#125 to #120 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
I was referencing your statement that the fourth amendment is useless, if it wasn't there they would have the ability to do everything I just listed. I never said all cops are bad, I said some are bound to be, so we should take precautions against them. Take 2 seconds to learn about the US legal system, because you obviously haven't got a clue about how it works.
User avatar #131 to #125 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
im not trying to say that, im trying to say the constitutions are outdated, and you talk about freedom, but you will let them control your every move and fight to defend it, and if some cops are bad, report it, and the good ones will get em, if your country wasnt so busy branding and hating all cops they probably wouldnt disrespect anyone
#183 to #131 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Again, our legal system is set upon precedents, meaning if we say it's okay to search one place just because it allows them to search somewhere else just because, it's not conjecture, it's a fact.
#171 to #131 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Exactly people are already being ****** now, why would you increase the power of someone who can already **** you and let them do it harder?This got slightly erotic.
User avatar #180 to #171 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
cause letting them search your car isnt an especially big deal, they wont **** you, and if they do report it
#163 to #131 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Precincts have jurisdictions, they can't just cross over all willy nilly and arrest whoever they want. And it might not always get up the chain, if all the low levels muffle the report no one knows.
User avatar #168 to #163 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
some times you are ****** , but that is the same as it is now though
#153 to #131 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
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Again you're implying he's the only corrupt cop and others won't cover for him, there are a number of variables you have to take into account.
User avatar #159 to #153 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
theres always a good one higher up in the chain, and if the whole ******* precinct is corrupt get other precincts
#144 to #131 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
You're talking about freedom then suggesting we let cops go on fishing expeditions whenever they please, that's not freedom. And report it to who? The cops, so they can be "retrained" and go unpunished, you're living in an ideal world where bad cops are isolated incidents within their department, the majority of corrupt cops have other corrupt cops in their department, otherwise they wouldn't have a job. Again I'M NOT SAYING ALL COPS ARE SATAN HIMSELF i'm saying some can and will abuse their power, it's unavoidable so we should take precautions.
User avatar #149 to #144 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
you overestimate how easy it is to be a corrupt cop that breaks the rules, they will ******* fire and punish you for that **** , and theres always higher people up the foodchain, the bad people are rare, and in the end the bad ones leave evidence aswell, they will get caught
User avatar #11 to #1 - Shenanigins (05/20/2013) [-]
Because the fourth amendment.
User avatar #37 to #11 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
which is not violated by asking.
User avatar #58 to #37 - Shenanigins (05/20/2013) [-]
It's not violated by asking, however you are under no obligation to agree with them. We all have private things we want to keep secret.
User avatar #101 to #58 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
my question is why do you have that in your car?
User avatar #243 to #101 - Shenanigins (05/20/2013) [-]
Because it's my property and I"m allowed to have what I want in it, even if the morality of it is questionable.
User avatar #254 to #243 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
that still makes no sense. if you secretly enjoy big black dildos in your ass are you going to drive around with a box of them in your car? no. if you dont want people to know your a brony are you going to buy a shirt and wear it under your jacket? probably not. i have lots of private things i want to keep secret. they stay at my house in a locked box or hidden away. besides privacy is a myth 90 percent of people willingly give their personal information to companies that tell them they will be selling it to other people. but the cop who asks to search your car because youve been doing questionable things and decided to be an ass to the cop becomes the douchebag
#258 to #254 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
You voluntarily give information to those companies. If you were truly doing something wrong they would have evidence, and thus the legal right to search your car, otherwise you have the right to decline their search requests.
User avatar #264 to #258 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but should a cop have to wait for a warrant every time? what if your driving is **** and you are giving signs of being under the influence. the cop has reasonable suspicion. hes likely going to test you by asking if youve been doing anything or to search your car. if your compliant hell likely give you a break. police have the legal right to detain you for 24 hours. a 30 second search wont hurt you
#268 to #264 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Yes, he should wait unless someone gives him permission, as is the ******* law. If you're weaving in traffic and wreak of alcohol that is probable cause, if you however are at some random check point and they ask to search your car they don't have probable cause, learn the law before you nitpick at it.
User avatar #271 to #268 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
ever hear the term preventative policing? usually if the cops set up a checkpoint they are looking for something or someone. if you mean a random roadstop thenthings like driving slowly in a neighborhood at night with your lights off are pretty sketchy things warranting a search. and yes ive seen people call cops scumbags for pulling them over for that.
#276 to #271 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And unless they have probable cause you're the person they're looking for or have what they're looking for demanding to search something without a warrant/consent is still illegal. Riding around a neighborhood warrants a stop and search now? So if I have to pop out to get milk for the morning it's suspicious? It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty til we don't find anything to book you on.
User avatar #282 to #276 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
why would you be driving around a neighborhood at night with your lights off (which alone is a ticketable offense) if your just going to ick up some milk? and im not talking about driving through. im talking about driving about 5 mph stopping in front of random houses.

usually if they have been allowed to set up a checkpoint they have been given the right to do so by a judge. and how will they know if you have what theyre looking for if they dont search? does this box have a bomb in it? **** if i know because im not allowed to look inside
#287 to #282 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Then that's probable cause but being pulled over for speeding and demanding to search your vehicle without reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing are two different things, if you have probable cause then yes police searches would be legal.
Given the right to set up a checkpoint doesn't give them the right to a vehicle search, however if they're looking for a bomber and you fit his physical/ vehicle profile then yes that would warrant a search.
User avatar #289 to #287 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
what if they dont have one? or what if they suspect hes hiding in your car?
#291 to #289 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Then he has no right to search, innocent until proven guilty.
User avatar #294 to #291 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
thats a lovely mind set. your priacy is more important then other peoples lives
#299 to #294 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
It's not my mindset it's the law, regardless of what you or I think. By your logic we should have searches of every house in the US to find all the wanted fugitives.
User avatar #302 to #299 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
no but if a suspected person is believed to be in an area the people of said area should be more compliant. if you have nothing to hide then why does it matter? if you have something you dont want anyone to see keep it at home. theres already thousands of people who say they wish they could kill cops who have never had a run in with them and you think the cops want to make more?
#359 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
I've enjoyed the argument, but it's funny you play it off as a joke just because you lost. Either way, toodles.
User avatar #360 to #359 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
you seem to not realize id did the whole how will they get evidence part twice. but whatever have a nice day hope you big box of dildos doesnt fade from beingin the sun too long
#357 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures
A car is a possession, I highly doubt you're a criminal justice major since throughout this conversation you've been completely ignorant about, police policy, and court proceedings.
User avatar #358 to #357 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
ive actually been mocking you for a lot of it
#355 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Evidence by actions, by LEGALLY searching (trash and whatnot) police can already find and convict criminals fine without having the power to search whatever vehicle they com across. For some reason you have this notion that police can't get evidence without searching places without a warrant, seriously go take a criminal justice class if you want to know about it, it would save me a lot of trouble.
User avatar #356 to #355 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
im a criminal justice major. and searching your property is just as illegal as you think searching your car is. in fact the constitutional right doesnt mention a car. it says your home and person. your fourth amendments rights dont extend to your car. that would be covered by the 14th amendment which says the states have the right to determine things not listed in the constitution. so really a cop has every right to search your car but in many places its frowned upon
#353 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
People are arrested because the police have evidence of a crime and thus reasonable suspicion a crime was committed.
User avatar #354 to #353 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but how did they get said evidence? if they arent allowed to search because they have to have cause and to get cause you have to have evidence and to get evidence you have to search... you get where this is going?
#351 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Going: "HEY LET US SEARCH YOUR CAR TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING BAD" is treating someone like a criminal. I don't have to prove my innocence by default I already am.
User avatar #352 to #351 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
then no one would ever get arrested because they are assumed to be innocent
#348 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Exactly if they're not searching my car i'm not being treated as a criminal.
User avatar #349 to #348 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but theyre not even if they are make both your days easier by taking the thirty seconds to prove your not
#346 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
They're not going to even try to get a warrant without suspicion of wrongdoing.
User avatar #347 to #346 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
then your not being treated as a criminal
#342 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And if they had reasonable suspicion I was said criminal they'd get a warrant to go along with it to search whatever they wanted.
User avatar #343 to #342 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
warrants take more than a few seconds to get are you going to willingly just sit on the side of the road for an hour or two?
#338 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Yes going "hey there's possibly a criminal in this area prove to us you're not aiding him, thus being a criminal."
User avatar #339 to #338 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
if they truly thought you were a criminal they would just detain you
#334 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Gardens don't constitute 14 bags of fertilizer, it's suspicious. And yes he is innocent, but sitting outside a neighborhood watching a guy supposedly do housework isn't treating a guy like a criminal.
User avatar #336 to #334 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but saying "hey a guy who just blew up a building was spotted in this area mind if we check to make sure he didnt hide in your car" is?
#328 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Let's say it's conspiracy to commit murder by building a bomb, they see a guy lug in this huge barrel and ********* of fertilizer, boom probable cause, warrant, arrest, conviction. It's the way the legal system works cops abide by it every day and catch criminals without storming into houses without a warrant.
User avatar #330 to #328 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
what if he has a garden? and by your logic why are they watching him in the first place hes innocent
#322 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
And they had been proven guilty of conspiracy to commit XXX.
User avatar #325 to #322 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
how? when? the cop was never allowed to search or gain any evidence since they were to be considered innocent
#319 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Conspiracy to commit XXX is still a crime, so yes, they have committed a crime.
User avatar #320 to #319 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but were not allowed to do anything until proven guilty
#315 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Again, it's innocent until proven guilty, we don't put people who have done nothing wrong in jail based on the fact that they could potentially do something wrong.
User avatar #316 to #315 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
ever hear of conspiracy? its an actual crime.
#310 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
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Is it too much to ask to have reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing before you invade my privacy?
User avatar #312 to #310 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
yes the privacy of the trash in your vehicle. im still concerned that your privacy is held above other peoples live potentially
#305 to #302 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
If a suspected person is in the area they have the right to make sure i'm not him and move along. I don't have anything to hide, but I shouldn't have to prove that to everyone who wants to know that I don't have anything to hide.
User avatar #309 to #305 - sketchE (05/20/2013) [-]
but its too much to ask to open your back doors a trunk to prove that they arent hiding in your car? that thirty seconds
#3 to #1 - croc (05/19/2013) [-]
What if I have my vibrator collection in the car and I don't want the cop, or anyone else for that matter, to see it. It's not illegal, but I don't want anyone to know my dirty secret.
User avatar #26 to #3 - stijnverheye (05/20/2013) [-]
or you have a huge croc collections and you dont want anybody to see it
#370 to #26 - croc (05/21/2013) [-]
How the **** do you know are you a ******* cop?
#99 to #3 - markowuzhere (05/20/2013) [-]
Now we know
he he he
User avatar #213 - demandsgayversion (05/20/2013) [-]
Why wouldn't I let a cop look if I had nothing to hide? That's just asking for trouble.
User avatar #147 - bigbeaufort ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
I don't know about anywhere else but, in the state of Georgia you just have to say no. They legally aren't allowed to search your vehicle without accusing you of criminal activity.
User avatar #201 to #147 - emptysuperman ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
That's everywhere in America. This post is retarded as **** .
User avatar #373 to #201 - oxYKellark ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
Nope, it depends on the state you silly goose.
User avatar #375 to #373 - emptysuperman ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
Nope. It's deemed unconstitutional, no state can give citizens less rights, but they can give them more. They need probable cause in EVERY state. I studied law, you funny duck.
User avatar #377 to #375 - oxYKellark ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
BUT BUT BUT

"Some states' constitutions require officers to show there was not enough time to obtain a warrant. With the exception of states with this requirement, an officer is not required to obtain a warrant even if it may be possible to do so."

Its all about that there probable cause, and what states see fit for a warranted search. Which in some there is no warrant needed if probable cause is justified by the officer.
User avatar #380 to #377 - emptysuperman ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
Ummmmm.... yeah? Okay, you seem like you aren't retarded, so I'm going to explain this to you like you're a half-way intelligent person. Okay:

If a cop has reasonable suspicion he can stop you, but not search you. If he has probable cause he can search your car without a warrant and give you a pat down search (not a full body search, just a pat down search). If he has a warrant he can search anything that the warrant says he can search. So if he has a warrant that says he can search your attic completely and thoroughly, it doesn't mean he can look in your fridge or in your cabinets. However, if on his way to the attic, he sees weed sitting on your table, he's of course allowed to arrest you for that and seize it as evidence (but he still can't search the rest of your house). This is because the item was in plain view. An officer can enter your house without a warrant if he feel there is a clear and present danger (such as hearing someone being murdered or raped) or if he is in hot pursuit (obviously you just couldn't run into your house during a high speed chase and be like, "Get a warrant!").

Basically, law has more common sense than people give it credit for. No, a cop can not just search your car because you say "no." That isn't probable cause, in any state. But if he has probable cause (such as smoke coming out of your car and the clear smell of weed), he can look without a warrant, which only makes sense.
User avatar #384 to #380 - oxYKellark ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
I agree with everything you just said, im not sure what you got from my comments, but since you know a thing or two, what in your mind is probable cause in the case of a search of someones car? you said that denying a search was not probable cause but i talked to an officer like a month ago and he said it was, of course the obvious AK on the seat or smell of weed is justified but im pretty sure officers can justify a lot more than you think to search. For example, what if a beat up car with 4 kids inside driving slightly fast on a suburban road at 3 am caught the attention of an officer. Now he pulls them over and does the standard procedure but does not smell or see anything besides cigarettes. In my mind he could ATLEAST open the trunk or search any backpacks but you would seem to disagree. I understand the whole concept of denial to search but i gave you that example because i was in my friends car (exact same scenario) and we got off scot free because the officer didnt search anything. In my mind thats good for me but we had a 5th and backpack full of beer and that was a year ago when i was 19.
I'm not denying your knowledge of the law nor do i care that you studied it, every male in my family older than me is an attorney except for my father but that dosent really mean anything here.

TL;DR its not about the warrant or the constitution for a search, but probable cause.
BUT would an actual officer deem probable cause is my question.
User avatar #386 to #384 - emptysuperman ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
Alright. Complicated scenario you brought up. Short answer: no, officer does not have probable cause. However, there have been some strange rulings of what has been deemed probable cause that I don't agree with at all. Example (real case), a man is pulled over in a known high drug area at 2 or 3am, the officer sees in plain view a rolled up wad of cash on the passenger seat. He then searches his car. I think this is ******** , personally, but the Supreme Court ruled this a legal search. The reason they gave was based on the totality of circumstance there was probable cause. So being in a high drug traffic area at 3am wouldn't be enough on it's own for probable cause, nor would having a large roll of cash on your seat, but apparently together they make it. Now, each state has it's own definition of probable cause, but what I said in my previous post applies to all of them. So the long answer is: ...still no. But in the right state, with the right lawyer, with the right judge, maybe.

Also, something you need to realize is it's not up to the officer to decide what probable cause is. It's up to the courts. So if an officer says, "I'm search your car for [reason x]!" and finds drugs. If the court during your trail deems that [reason x] wasn't enough to establish probable cause, the drugs can't be used against you and you'll go free.
User avatar #388 to #386 - oxYKellark ONLINE (05/22/2013) [-]
Yeah its a confusing matter, but your right. I was just referencing probable cause and how it differs between states and certian....scenarios.
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User avatar #376 to #375 - emptysuperman ONLINE (05/21/2013) [-]
*less constitutional rights

Sorry.
User avatar #4 - Gerex (05/19/2013) [-]

They're all crooked power tripping Nazi asshole pigs.
User avatar #54 to #4 - admiralen ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
they probably react to how theyre hated by everybody in the country for trying to keep you safe
#17 to #4 - baconfattie ONLINE (05/20/2013) [-]
Most cops in Spain are delightful people and just want to devote their lifes to helping others.
#21 to #17 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Well good for Spain. Here in the US, however, it's a completely different story.
#31 to #17 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Your cops are infamus for beaiting up tourists dude
#20 to #4 - Rascal (05/20/2013) [-]
Why does this have so many thumbs down? It's the truth.
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