Christian Denominations. Not OC. For what it's worth, I am a Christian who considers this to be a sadly accurate portrayal of the common Protestant denomination

Christian Denominations

Christian Denominations. Not OC. For what it's worth, I am a Christian who considers this to be a sadly accurate portrayal of the common Protestant denomination

Not OC. For what it's worth, I am a Christian who considers this to be a sadly accurate portrayal of the common Protestant denominational mentality. The 'funny' is the absurd irony of such snobbery (which also extends to every ahistorically-minded people group regardless of religious belief that thinks it is better than others).

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#38 - diddymonster (05/17/2013) [-]
we've all done this
#46 to #38 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
start on an actress, end up on quantum entanglement and the entire history of Africa.

I'm pretty sure that last one is one of the longest articles on wikipedia.
User avatar #57 to #38 - deathcampforjewtie (05/17/2013) [-]
I made a game out of it: hit random picture for 2 tabs of Wikipedia, try to get from one to the other using only links, in as few clicks as you can.
#238 to #57 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
They call that a Wikipedia Race bro, it's way more fun with a friend
User avatar #193 to #38 - AnAnonForLife (05/17/2013) [-]
If you click the first hyper linked word on any Wikipedia page over and over, you eventually always end up on philosophy.
#219 to #38 - maebarakeichi (05/17/2013) [-]
It happened to me on youtube
User avatar #101 to #38 - diroccodoodleedoo ONLINE (05/17/2013) [-]
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#37 to #2 - gayboard ONLINE (05/17/2013) [-]
#6 - captainpatters (05/16/2013) [-]
****** , do you even WOLOLOLO
#4 - mudkipfucker (05/16/2013) [-]
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None of those worship Talos
User avatar #19 to #4 - ireallylikepotatoe (05/16/2013) [-]
I used to have that wallpaper.

Then got mad that that faggot had to put "lol" in it.
User avatar #102 to #19 - theguywhofarted (05/17/2013) [-]
That "LoL" standed for Love our lord
User avatar #65 to #4 - deathcampforjewtie (05/17/2013) [-]
Are those.......dead high elves?
#88 to #65 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
User avatar #89 to #88 - deathcampforjewtie (05/17/2013) [-]
Nice.....Thalmor or assorted?
User avatar #124 to #89 - torchictoucher (05/17/2013) [-]
Hopefully all Thalmor
User avatar #8 - malhaloc (05/16/2013) [-]
Sad but true
#18 - heeaen (05/16/2013) [-]
#126 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
[smallThe Lord of Light is the one true God[small]
#22 - ostemad (05/17/2013) [-]
One of the things i love the most about my home country (and the rest of Scandinavia is) that as long as you're doing your job right and contribute to society, people don't give a **** about what you're worshiping. It's a personal thing and people respect that unless you're trying to push your beliefs on them.
#24 to #22 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
I think the same can be said of about 99% of pretty much every non-Communist country.
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User avatar #70 to #49 - themaaster (05/17/2013) [-]
I guess things change when it the Christians making fun of themselves. And that the joke doesn't really make fun of having faith.
User avatar #91 to #70 - thereoncewasaman (05/17/2013) [-]
things don't really change when it's the christians making fun of themselves, people just react differently. It's pretty irritating when you see an atheist post and its full of people shouting my religion is right and you are wrong, and then shouting we should all just leave each other alone as soon as they are proven wrong.
Extra point; christianity is the vast majority in the US, where I live, (its supposedly around 80-85%) and yet you hear complaints (although often mainly from those crazy fundamentalists) that atheism (10% of the population) is threatening them and their ideals. How lame can you get?
User avatar #266 to #91 - mayormilkman (05/17/2013) [-]
I'm sure it's a minority that makes those claims. Plus, a good amount of the "atheist" posts weren't meant to even be funny.
#103 - pxthreezerothree (05/17/2013) [-]
And the Catholic Church is all like "In b4 schisms"
#133 - yunonomynameeh (05/17/2013) [-]
Not even trying to be a dick -but I've always wondered how Jesus ended up being white.
#134 to #133 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
i thought it was pretty widely understood that he was middle-eastern...

because, you know....

he was born there....
#136 to #134 - yunonomynameeh (05/17/2013) [-]
I went to Catholic school up until the age of 12 or so, Jesus was portrayed as a white dude in every pamphlet and image I was ever shown. And even though all the people around him were portrayed as Middle-Eastern or brown in color (illustrations), I never even questioned why Jesus wasn't portrayed the same.

I continued thinking Jesus was white until I was nearly 16 (as I was taught or led to believe).
User avatar #146 to #136 - psychonaut (05/17/2013) [-]
Portrait of Jesus was based off of Cesare Borgia
#177 to #133 - khassar ONLINE (05/17/2013) [-]
Tbh I always grouped all caucasians under the white category (and most people I know still do the old fashioned division into 3 major races).

But yeah, he is a bit pale compared to the surrounding people in his portrayals (and it sure isn't due to his halo).
User avatar #121 - logicstrike ONLINE (05/17/2013) [-]
it's sad when you have to explain joke, not because people wont get it, but because without context it will cause a ********* .
User avatar #76 - turbodoosh (05/17/2013) [-]
All I saw was the letter E...
#26 - thisotherdude (05/17/2013) [-]
Judaism, the religion that believes even atheists get into heaven so long as they aren't dicks in life.
Judaism, the religion that believes even atheists get into heaven so long as they aren't dicks in life.
#28 to #26 - anon (05/17/2013) [-]
Is that true? If so, that's awesome.
User avatar #29 to #28 - thisotherdude (05/17/2013) [-]
Yeah, it pretty much says so long as they're a good person your beliefs are completely irrelevant.
User avatar #33 to #29 - taintedangel (05/17/2013) [-]
See, that's what Heaven/Nirvana/Paradise should be like.
#61 to #33 - lolwhatusername (05/17/2013) [-]
Despite being raised a Catholic, I've always believed that the "good ending" of the afterlife could be achieved by just being a good person.
My favorite native american quote:
A priest was giving a speech to a native american about how Christianity was the way to eternal salvation.
Native:"So if I had never known about this, but lived a good life, would I still get into heaven?"
Priest: "Well, yes, of course."
Native: "Then why did you tell me?"
User avatar #72 to #61 - beren (05/17/2013) [-]
I realize that I can't force you to do anything, but I urge you to reconsider your understanding of the Christian faith. If you are attempting to build on anything resembling orthodox Christianity, then you should realize that being a "good" person will achieve nothing for us, and that our only hope for salvation is the atoning death of Jesus. I personally believe that there is significant biblical warrant for the idea that people who have not heard the Gospel will at the very least be judged less harshly (and that conversely those who know the Gospel very well will be judged more strictly), but it is also dubious that such ignorance can lead to salvation, and it is certain that if you know and subsequently reject the Gospel that you will not be saved.

Again, if you just want to believe that good people will get into heaven, then go ahead and believe it. But if you are trying to be faithful to historical, biblical Christianity, then I urge you to reconsider.
User avatar #79 to #72 - appleboom (05/17/2013) [-]
To help you out, here is a rhetorical question.
Did Hitler think he was evil?
#271 to #79 - lolwhatusername (05/18/2013) [-]
That reminds me of "East of Eden." Often the characters would either realize their evil and try to change, or know that they're evil and indulge in the fact. We can never really know what Hitler thought of himself. Regardless, I understand what you were going at.
User avatar #282 to #271 - appleboom (05/18/2013) [-]
Great movie. Hope to read the book some day.
User avatar #32 to #26 - secretdestroyers (05/17/2013) [-]
Sorry, it's not gonna work if you regularly visit a site that worships Hitler and has an 'antisemitism' channel.
#59 to #26 - deathcampforjewtie (05/17/2013) [-]
Read Jewish
Dug this out.
#214 - merloxbeard (05/17/2013) [-]
Do you know what you have started?
Do you know what you have started?
User avatar #51 - YllekNayr (05/17/2013) [-]
Wow. 2 posts ago, there's a post involving evolution. Doesn't even mention religion.
Huge angry ********* .

This one directly makes a joke towards Christianity.
Comment section is all happy with references to 40k and Skyrim.

What the **** .
User avatar #145 - frenetic (05/17/2013) [-]
I was raised Roman Catholic but given the vast amounts of religions and how they all think they're right I've come to my own conclusions. I simply believe I was created by some form of higher being i'll call God. I don't know it's name, or even exactly what it wants me to do, but I'm grateful it made me and i'll just try to be as little of an asshole as possible while enjoying life. I don't know if whatever made me made the entire universe as well, though if it did I believe it made the big bang happen and then let all the scientific **** like evolution take it's course. I have no idea whether reincarnation happens or what the afterlife would be like(if there was one at all). Purpose? Who knows. Do we need one? Personally I just enjoy my life and all the hobbies and **** I have. Miracles: Most are either fake or based on luck or science. But that doesn't mean that maybe an unexplainable one can't be real. Take it with a grain of salt. "Why would God allow this to happen?" God gave us free choice, it's through our and others' actions(Chaos Theory and whatnot) and chance that certain events come to be. If God took away even one bad guys choice than it's not free will is it? Anyway that's what I've come to believe. Basically that I don't know jack **** other than something made me. I don't know how it works but thinking human beings have the intelligence to understand something that's supposed to be that much of a higher being is the biggest arrogance I've ever heard. I know, I know, the internet hates opinions but I figured I'd just share what I've come up with. Everyone believes(or doesn't believe) what they want.
User avatar #189 to #145 - whyfalsewhy (05/17/2013) [-]
Also if a woman i tied up and to be raped then murdered, she has no free will in the situation, so if go was to intervene he would be protecting her free will, to not intervene means he prefers to protect the free will of the evil over the innocent.
User avatar #273 to #189 - frenetic (05/18/2013) [-]
My personal belief is that God just lets the world run itself. Sometimes one person's choice takes away anothers, it happens all the time in both everyday and heinous situations like your example. It's a fact of life and nature much like death. But that's just what I think.
User avatar #285 to #273 - whyfalsewhy (05/19/2013) [-]
Well really, whats the difference in a world with a god and one without a god.

I don't mind people who don't take religion seriously, those that believe there was a god are ok, so long as they don't believe that ever action is dominated by one, cause lets face it it throws free will out the window lol
User avatar #289 to #285 - frenetic (05/20/2013) [-]
Well we can't know that unless we know God's every action but the influence of a believed in God, be he real or not, actually has a large role. People start wars over what they think God wants, some people are kinder, and others are crueler.
But yes I don't mind any religion or lack thereof so long as it doesn't hurt others or hinder intellectual progress. When you have people killing their children through neglect of medical issues on the faith that God will do everything for you, or when you refuse to believe scientific fact, then I get irritated by others.
User avatar #290 to #289 - whyfalsewhy (05/20/2013) [-]
Agreed a beleif is fine but when it is allowed to run your life then it is an evil thing.
User avatar #291 to #290 - frenetic (05/20/2013) [-]
This is true. If you allow anything to completely run your life then you are inevitably missing out on something.
User avatar #211 to #145 - theshadowed ONLINE (05/17/2013) [-]
Hey you and me are pretty much the same except with Protestantism instead
User avatar #147 to #145 - krobeles (05/17/2013) [-]
Honestly, i can only nit-pick your arguement.

You dont know for sure you were created. You assume so, since aparently thats the only thing that makes sense to you. You also assume that the human mind cannot comprehend god, because you assume his divinity is so great that it cannot be comprehended.

I have nothing against your belief, as it dosen't really seem to restrain you much, neither intellectually or physically. I'de just like you to, in the future, propose your belief as being based on an amount of assumptions, and not the certainties it kinda looks you propose its based on currently.

Peace out.
User avatar #160 to #147 - frenetic (05/17/2013) [-]
By no means was I trying to imply any certainties. All of what I believe and stated are simply assumptions because I obviously have no evidence. I wouldn't even call it an argument since I wasn't trying to convert or disprove anyone. Just figured I'd share what I've come up with out of my life experiances and what I was taught. I apologize if it sounded like I was saying what I believed was fact(that kinda goes against my whole 'I don't really know' ideology), that was not my intent at all. Perhaps I did not convey that it was all unsupported personal opinion well enough.
User avatar #164 to #160 - krobeles (05/17/2013) [-]
Its alright. I wasn't trying to put you down or anything.
Frankly, i have little against most moderately faithful people, as you seem to be.
I just like objective facts and empirical evidence to one thing, and subjective faith/opinion based opinions to be another.

Have a good day man.
User avatar #166 to #164 - frenetic (05/17/2013) [-]
And you as well kind sir. I have enjoyed our small chat. Have some thumbs.
User avatar #225 to #147 - beren (05/17/2013) [-]
Granted, I have posted all of this on my own ASSUMPTION that you are inclined to think that only religion builds on assumptions. I do not dislike you nor do I say with certainty that this is what you even believe. But consider this rant to be against that mentality, whether or not you hold it.
User avatar #222 to #147 - beren (05/17/2013) [-]
Also, the whole concept of morality fails without appeal to some larger ideal of goodness. If there is no objective standard of perfection, then good and evil become completely personal, and there is no grounds to say (to use the common extreme example) that Hitler actually did anything wrong in the Holocaust. One can only say that they do not enjoy what he did. But this statement has no significance, since HE enjoyed what he did. What decides right and wrong, then? Whoever has power at the moment. It becomes "might makes right." Well, perhaps, one might think, we could (arbitrarily) consider evil to be that which negatively affects the human race. But where is the basis for this? The concept of survival of the fittest actually leads us to believe that it is better for us to kill the weak and mentally handicapped, since they only hold us back (and, hell, why not old people too?). Also, everyone must decide to interpret what is good for the human race as well.
User avatar #218 to #147 - beren (05/17/2013) [-]
Similarly, it is nonsense for an atheistic naturalist to believe that they do not take a great deal on faith. Not only does every person take things on faith when they believe something they have heard (consider something as simple as someone telling you that Antarctica exists. You literally have no real proof of that unless you have been there. Even satellite imagery does not prove it.). But the scientific method itself assumes regularity in the universe, it assumes that it operates according to particular laws and that it will continue to do so. One can argue as much as they want that "Well, we have observed regularity so it is reasonable to presume it for the future" but the point is that that is an assumption that is entirely on faith. We have never observed the future and so cannot be sure that there will be regularity. This is one reason why Christianity's assurance of an immutable, good God encouraged the Scientific Revolution.
User avatar #269 to #218 - krobeles (05/17/2013) [-]
Make a single comment next time. That up there is a garbeled mess to navigate.

Some assumptions are bordering on a universal truth that they no longer require faith. Faith is believing in the unlike. Regularity has happened for a long time, so its unlikely that it would cease to be. Therefor it takes faith to believe it would cease, not to believe it would continue.
If i see a hot chick with her boyfriend, the most likely outcome, if i went up and started flirting with her, would be that her boyfriend would be pissed at me. However, theres a small chance their an open, perhaps even swinger, couple, and would therefor be ok with it. If i assumed they were into that sort of thing, it would take faith, since thats the least likely possibillity.

And your talk of morality is entirely true. Morality is subjective, and right and wrong are mere ideas, that only exist in the context of our society and mentally constructed world. Hitler did nothing "wrong" because theres no universal definition of wrong. Hitler and his colaborators killed numerous people, something we find to be despicable and horrid. They didn't. For them, it was alright.
To some, my frequent masturbation is a far worse crime than the Holocaust. In my opinion, thats very silly, but to the people who think so, I'm just a long haired faggot who needs to taste the steel of Allah.

Morality, right and wrong, beauty, vileness. Their all just figments of our imagination, that we conjured in our minds.

Dont get me wrong. Their important figments, and they are what shapes our society and they shape our personalities. Something that only exists as an abstract concept can still carry inconcievable weight to the people who subscribe to it.

Personally, i think Faith is the wrong word here. Belief, i think, is a better one.
I dont have faith in the continued appliance of Newtons Laws, i have a sincere belief that they will still apply when i snap my fingers. Dosen't require faith. It requires belief.
User avatar #186 to #145 - whyfalsewhy (05/17/2013) [-]
Would be easier just to say your a Deist.
User avatar #272 to #186 - frenetic (05/18/2013) [-]
I had never heard of this religion before but after some research you are correct, my philosophy does indeed coincide largely with Deism. Thank you for giving me the term for my beliefs.
User avatar #284 to #272 - whyfalsewhy (05/19/2013) [-]
No problem
User avatar #130 - notapeopleperson (05/17/2013) [-]
At least us Catholics can say that we're at the far left of that tree...
#151 to #130 - captainreposty (05/17/2013) [-]
Yeah, but then again the whole institution of the Pope is anti-Christian, so you know, if you do believe in "Hell" as Catholics envision it, then it's gutting to be going there.
User avatar #278 to #151 - notapeopleperson (05/18/2013) [-]
Please do explain how the Pope is ant-Christian...
#279 to #278 - captainreposty (05/18/2013) [-]
According to Christianity (the original one, you know, before it got turned into whatever the particular leader of a particular section of it picked and choose which rules would be appropriate for them personally, and the moral ones which would undermine their power) everyone is equal under the eyes of God. Except, according to various Popes, gays, scientists (you know, when the Pope declared that the sun revolved around the Earth. Just on this point alone, if God is ALL powerful and ALL knowing, and the Pope is his Messenger, then why in holy **** wouldn't God tell the Pope all the facts about physics, chemistry, biology, there and then? Why would he allow the Vatican to collect money from people to be used on building more and more churches, instead of feeding the poor? And wouldn't it be a relatively easy thing for a God to inform their messanger that they are LYING to his creations when he tells them that the Earth is flat, or that the sun revolves around the Earth...? But then you'll claim that God has left us to our own devices... pretty easy way to get out of explaining how I literally just took apart your belief system.)
Sorry mate, you need to look at the big picture.
If God was real, then he really wouldn't allow suffering to occur to the poor, simply so that the Pope, et al, can live in luxury. I mean, if you truly believe that the after-life is better, and that you need to be good to get into heaven, then I am sure, that if God was 100% real, then everyone on Earth would follow the same god, and would work towards a common goal... sort of like Communism.
You can never justify denying someones right to love another being because a man in a hat told you that they were evil.
User avatar #283 to #279 - notapeopleperson (05/19/2013) [-]
First of all, I do believe that the church has their head up their ass when it comes to homosexuality. But, God does not reveal all as it is not pertinent to his message. Additionally, the church needs churches to spread its word otherwise its just a charity, not a church. The church already is the largest charity in the world, so who are you to criticize it for not doing enough? Concerning your statement that everyone would worship God if he is real, that's just ******** . Humans will always disagree on everything. For heaven's sakes, some people refuse to acknowledge the existence of HIV/AIDS (supposedly educated people). So no, you may like to believe that you "literally just took apart [my] belief system" but in reality, you have destroyed nothing.
#287 to #283 - humans (05/19/2013) [-]

#286 to #283 - captainreposty (05/19/2013) [-]
Well, I've taken the rationality out of it.
Why would it be a bad thing if it was only a charity? Isn't that what it's supposed to be?
**** man! That's how a real religion would work; serving the poor and not asking for anything in return. Not land, not money, not status.
And that's what organized religion has become.
If you do a good deed only in hope of having a good deed done unto yourself as a reward, then it removes the moral qualities. Something that humans cannot do; remove the ego (the "I").
But if you want to keep these people above you, in an apparently "free" and "equal" country, then fine. But history will look upon those organized religious institutions that exploited people for generations only with contempt, and those who chose to ignore the injustices; of those who claim they are of a higher status than others, of those who use the "good word" to acquire political influence, and especially of those who denied other citizens the god damn ******* equal status "under the eyes of the lord" (when the church back in the 17/18th Centuries claimed that Africans were inherently inferior, but now claims "well we didn't know any better", but if they didn't know any better, and they are speaking on behalf of an all knowing being, then HOW did they not know? What are they there for if not for moral guidance!)
You must spread the word, and you must liberate yourself from the oppressive shackles of organized religion: they finally enslaved something that was hitherto impossible; the human mind. Your human mind.
User avatar #292 to #286 - notapeopleperson (05/20/2013) [-]
The church does works, but that is only half of its mission. The other half is to preach the gospel. Who the **** do you think you are to proclaim this as enslaving? The church has made mistakes, I'll acknowledge that, but it is its own religion, and neither you nor anyone else has the right to decide that it should not exist, or that it should cease its religion. Freedom of religion is one of the most basic of human rights, one that must not be taken away. I seriously don't mind if you choose not to believe in God, that is your choice and I respect that, but seriously, leave other people the **** alone.
#293 to #292 - captainreposty (05/20/2013) [-]
The church has made mistakes... Yet claims to be the definitive source of all moral answers.
Freedom of religion has never been a "basic human right". The basic human rights are: Equality, Liberty (not negative freedom which Locke or Hobbes professed), Shelter, and Provisions (i.e. food).
And the church destroys the first one immediately.
If the church has ever been wrong on anything, which is always is, then that only proves that you're being dictated to by a bunch of elites, who want to ensure that you do not question their authority and power.
But yes, you do have freedom of expression and freedom of though, but I believe that organized religion suppresses those in order to maintain it's hierarchical structure (the opposite of equality).
User avatar #294 to #293 - notapeopleperson (05/20/2013) [-]
And the church suppresses people how? And don't say that you now mean suppressed...
#295 to #294 - captainreposty (05/20/2013) [-]
1.) Denied homosexuals and lesbians their fundamental right to love each other.
2.) Claimed the world was flat.
3.) Denies evolution; a fundamental fact of life.
4.) During Colonial times the Church claimed that some people were inherently inferior to others, and should ergo be enslaved.
5.) Also during Colonial times the Church sent out missionaries to convert "backwards" people to "ensure they got into heaven", causing serious disruptions in tribal communities, as converts were forbidden from participating in local traditions, alienating themselves and their families from their communities (BTW, most converts converted back almost immediately; if there was a true Christian God, do you really think that these people would have de-converted within months?).
6.) Elevates certain individuals above others, claiming that they are "chosen by God", and therefore should be viewed as being of a higher-status in society, destroying any notion of equality.
7.) Forbids abortions. Remember a few months ago when a woman died from a miscarriage, and because she was in Ireland, they we not allowed to terminate her pregnancy because the Pope said it is a sin? Well, I remember. (
8.) Catholic priests sexually molest small children. This is a fact. There have been dozens of cases where some have been convicted.
- 8.1) The Vatican hides these pedophiles.
- 8.2) Priests think that child abuse laws are too lenient! Holy **** ! You must have realised that something was wrong with the Church. And if priests are raping children, and the church is protecting them, then aren't they all going to your hell? But surely, because they all know themselves, that there's no hell, else why would they willingly **** a kid knowing that it instantly condemns them to Hell!?( n+in+catholic+church/3767477.html)
User avatar #297 to #295 - miscarriage (05/20/2013) [-]
Don't bring me into this
User avatar #296 to #295 - notapeopleperson (05/20/2013) [-]
Firstly: I specified - current events only, as in the PRESENT. That excludes about half of the things on your list. The abuse of children by clergy was/is ****** up, and I agree that the church should impose stricter punishments on offenders. The church does not deny evolution, and how the hell can the church deny people most of these things when the majority of governments are secular? The church expresses its views, and it encourages people to follow them, but the Vatican Guard does not kill anyone who disagrees with them. Therefore, they just have an opinion, and you seem to not want to allow them that. That is wrong.
#298 to #296 - captainreposty (05/20/2013) [-]
Let me just reiterate.
Christianity claims if you commit a sin you will go to Hell. If raping a small innocent child, depriving them of their fundamental rights and traumatizing them throughout the rest of their lives, is not a sin then what is?
Surely the Church must have eternal knowledge of all things, because God created all things, and they are his "spokesmen".
So you see, if they did not come out and say "All pedophilia is morally wrong", then they would be condoning it.
If an individual believes so much in the power of God, and ergo must believe in heaven and hell, then why would they willingly commit one of the worst sins possible to commit?
And the Church has more power than you think, especially in America. Since when did you have to swear an oath on the Bible to be inaugurated? Since when was God printed on money?
When the Federal Reserve took over. And they have deep connections with various religions.
I wish they would stop indoctrinating people to blindly follow and never question why.
User avatar #299 to #298 - notapeopleperson (05/21/2013) [-]
I'm so done. You are just repeating points that I have already addressed, you are using wild conjecture and you are using conspiracy theories. I don't even care any more. Just leave people to believe what they want, and be quiet about it...
#300 to #299 - captainreposty (05/21/2013) [-]
I have't used a single conspiracy.
I have explained, with logic and rationality, every single reason why you shouldn't give money to an organized religion, never mind give them power and authority over you.
I don't think you've addressed any of my points actually?
User avatar #301 to #300 - notapeopleperson (05/21/2013) [-]
Read these things again. Saying that it's the Federal Reserve and that the church has immense power because one has to swear an oath on the Bible...rational as ****
#302 to #301 - captainreposty (05/21/2013) [-]
Did Jefferson swear an allegiance to God when he was inaugurated?
Wasn't America (apparently, not really, the real reason was economic, I know, I'm a historian) set up to avoid religious persecution? Then WHY is God on your money? in your courts? In your god-damn schools.
User avatar #303 to #302 - notapeopleperson (05/21/2013) [-]
I'm not American...and they chose to base their ethos on Christianity. That's their business, not yours.
#304 to #303 - captainreposty (05/21/2013) [-]
It becomes my business when their exploits affect other peoples' liberties.
User avatar #305 to #304 - notapeopleperson (05/21/2013) [-]
You would see others' liberties curbed (freedom of belief) and how the hell does it curb other peoples' liberties in that situation. Honestly , I hope to God that you're just trolling.
#306 to #305 - captainreposty (05/21/2013) [-]
The word you were looking for was curtailed.
Liberty is a very vague concept.
However, when I think of liberty, I like to think of it as, how Isaiah Berlin termed it, positive-liberty, that is, freedom to make choices without external constraints.
Negative-liberty is what Locke or Hobbes would prefer, that is freedom to do what you want, and have no external constraints whatsoever.
However, what religion, or rather, organized religion does, is constrain you beleifs. You either believe every single god-damn word in the Bible, or you can believe in none of it.
That is not to say that you live life amorally. I do good things because I as a person decided that those things were good; e.g. allow people the liberty to marry whomever they wish, or that all people are equal. Christianity doesn't allow you those freedoms of belief.
If you disagree with the Church on any single matter then that means God does not exist. You can't pick and chose which elements you chose to follow that day.
So let me ask you this: Do you believe that every single person who is wearing two types of cloth should be sentenced to death? Because you know, that's what the Bible, ergo the Church MUST say. Do you believe that all men must avoid women who are on their periods? Because that's what the Bible says, and ergo the Church MUST say.
If you disagree then you aren't Christian. If you, a self-proclaimed Christian, disagree that anybody in the world who works on the Sabbath should be killed, then once again, we have proof that God does not exist.
I know you are probably scared that without someone directing others in their life-choices there would be anarchy, etc. But you don't need to negate all your own personal choices to a metaphysical being to live a morally-sound life.

Just think about it. If the Church has been wrong once, then it cannot claim to speak on behalf of an all-knowing God.
#288 to #286 - humans (05/19/2013) [-]
Well I try, but I suppose you're right. We're all selfish in the end...
User avatar #250 - atrocitustheking (05/17/2013) [-]
Church history is a fascinating thing. The Christian tradition is a rich heritage of philosophy.
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