Canada at war. CRITICAL MISS on the Escapist. UN ANEH? I THINK IT' S KIND. >Live in Florida >went to Canada for a week and learned a few things 1. Cold 2. Time Hortons is the life blood of Canada, they are Canada 3. Shoes should
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#28 - combatplatypus (05/08/2013) [-]
"Canadian Mosque"
"Canadian Mosque"
#82 - breakfastlunch (05/08/2013) [-]
Truly words to live by.
User avatar #3 - mattdoggy (05/07/2013) [-]
>Live in Florida
>went to Canada for a week and learned a few things

1. Cold
2. Time Hortons is the life blood of Canada, they are Canada
3. Shoes should be taken off at the door or people will think you were raised in a barn
4. Cold
5. Sorry and Aye are two words to be sprinkled over every conversation
6.Gas stations aren't at exits but at strange little rest areas along the way
7. Cold
#257 to #3 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
As a Floridian I can second this
User avatar #294 to #3 - derperoni (05/08/2013) [-]
Hey, i'll have you know i live in canada, and i...can say all of that is true.
#317 to #3 - DekuNut (05/08/2013) [-]
I just jizzed my parka at the sound of Tim Hortons......I'm sorry.
User avatar #334 to #3 - Crusader (05/27/2013) [-]
EH
EH EH EH EH EH
NOT ******* AYE
#274 to #3 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
Leaving your shoes on indoors? ******* nasty americans, no wonder you're so fat, always ready to go out the door and grab a burger
#119 to #3 - UnknownDouchebag (05/08/2013) [-]
For 5. I think you mean "eh" not aye.
#168 to #3 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
2 and 3 scare me with their accuracy.
#44 to #3 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
We spell it "Eh." You silly butt.

I'm drinking a Timmies Ice Cap at the moment. :)
User avatar #49 to #3 - Zydratejunkie (05/08/2013) [-]
We have to put gas stations at rest stops because otherwise there wouldn't be enough along the highway for people traveling long distances.
It is a bit cold for 7 months of the year yes, but from May until September it can actually be quite nice, it was 23C (73.5F) today, and in late July and early August is regularly gets up to 35-40C (95-104F).
Tim Hortons is indeed our life blood, we love that stuff.
Shoes are taken off so you don't track mud and dirt through the house, it's simple hygiene.
"Aye" isn't a word, but I believe you mean "Eh".
#8 to #3 - bulkheadshot (05/07/2013) [-]
Well, if you enjoyed it, come on back! We love the company!
Tims is so important to us. Its a god damn good restaurant. I even work at one!
User avatar #144 to #8 - chucknorrisTHEGAME (05/08/2013) [-]
How do you find working there? I used to, I'm actually in my old Roll-Up shirt right now!
#324 to #144 - bulkheadshot (05/08/2013) [-]
Well, i used to enjoy it more then anything. Then i ate to many damn donuts. roll up shirt ftw
User avatar #328 to #324 - chucknorrisTHEGAME (05/09/2013) [-]
I used to love it, but that 16 second rule killed me.
User avatar #50 to #3 - darkdragonswrath (05/08/2013) [-]
"Time Hortons"
#80 to #3 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
its "eh" not "aye" you filthy casual
#95 to #3 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
It's not "Aye", it's "Eh". They say "Aye" in Scotland.
User avatar #223 to #3 - rainbowrush ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
Americans wear their shoes inside?
User avatar #179 to #3 - iorange (05/08/2013) [-]
You don't take your shoes off in Tim Hortons....

Did you even question why you were the only one without shoes in Tim Hortons.
#29 to #3 - jakeattack (05/08/2013) [-]
i live near Chicago, and who the **** doesn't take off their shoes?
User avatar #167 to #3 - rockamekishiko (05/08/2013) [-]
i always though the take-your-shoes-off was a japanese thing
User avatar #22 to #3 - clowheights (05/07/2013) [-]
It's actually "eh", not "aye".
User avatar #4 to #3 - ThePedroBear (05/07/2013) [-]
I don't understand that, do people really wear their shoes IN their house in america or wherever?
User avatar #34 to #4 - fabledmocker **User deleted account** (05/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, its not a big deal.

Or at least we do in Texas, very few people ask you to take your shoes off.
User avatar #180 to #34 - uzzwick (05/08/2013) [-]
That's... that's pretty nasty.
User avatar #122 to #34 - ilovehitler (05/08/2013) [-]
Arizonafag here, and I can confirm it seems to be much the same. I have never once been asked to take my shoes off. When other people come in, like in a party or something, and DO take their shoes off, everybody looks at them as if they're odd.
#147 to #122 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
From Vegas, people think im weird because i take my shoes off. It's common corticy to do so
User avatar #263 to #147 - ascarecrow ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
I live in North Carolina, when ever I go to someone's house, I ask if they would like me to take off my shoes and they look at me like I am mad.
User avatar #154 to #34 - spysappinmysasha (05/08/2013) [-]
yes well in Kentucky its an unspoken rule to take your shoes off after entering the home.

I mean, dont track the ******* mud in. ******* . Thats why we have Mudrooms, to take your ******* shoes off in.
User avatar #166 to #154 - ilovehitler (05/08/2013) [-]
We got... uh... Sand and dirt on our boots, I suppose.
User avatar #231 to #34 - failtolawl (05/08/2013) [-]
it's not based on where you live regionally, like European countries which have distinct cultural lines. depends on the culture, so I'm sure there are plenty of people in Texas that do frown upon shoes in the house. I know sometimes in florida they don't want shoes solely because there is mud everywhere.
User avatar #259 to #34 - jibb (05/08/2013) [-]
Don''t your feet smell like **** ?
User avatar #266 to #259 - exotic (05/08/2013) [-]
if your feet are suffocating in the humid boots yeah
User avatar #41 to #4 - purealterego (05/08/2013) [-]
>Lived 6 years in America
>Never wore them inside
>Lives 3 years in Canada
>Am freezing to death
>Help
#113 to #4 - bewts (05/08/2013) [-]
I'm wearing my shoes as I type. Nobody's every questioned my motives.
User avatar #58 to #4 - basicargentinian (05/08/2013) [-]
In argentina being barefoot is informal, for when you're home alone or when in an informal situation, like a getting togather with friends, specially if you're a child.
User avatar #14 to #4 - bossmanholms (05/07/2013) [-]
i do, especially at a friends house.
#19 to #4 - toxicovrtake ONLINE (05/07/2013) [-]
Apparently in his/her Family, Yes, But no, just like in Canada most people households will have anyone Entering take off their shoes when they walk into the house, People who do not do so are usually looked upon as if they were raised in a barn.   
   
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#114 to #19 - telfyr (05/08/2013) [-]
because in canada theres often snow so you don't want to track snow in to the house
User avatar #106 to #19 - nigeltheoutlaw (05/08/2013) [-]
>most people
The only people like that that I've met was a Chinese family. Everybody else didn't care.
#27 to #19 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
I thought all white people did that
User avatar #20 to #19 - toxicovrtake ONLINE (05/07/2013) [-]
Most People, households**
User avatar #12 to #4 - kadajsouba (05/07/2013) [-]
I live in America.... and I take my shoes off at the door
User avatar #321 to #4 - ThePedroBear (05/08/2013) [-]
How the **** did my question reach third place? What
User avatar #318 to #4 - gadgetzan (05/08/2013) [-]
I live in Sweden and I've never encountered a household where people wear shoes indoors. Every house has a small rack to put your shoes on as soon as you enter. If anyone just waltzed in without taking their shoes of people would probably assume you were drunk or borderline retarded. It just doesn't make sense to me to have shoes indoors, you walk around all day outdoors protecting your feet from filth, only to drag it all into your house when you get home.
User avatar #316 to #4 - lordketchup (05/08/2013) [-]
it sounds extremely dirty
User avatar #303 to #4 - klina (05/08/2013) [-]
Where I live, most people don't, but I don't care, I wear shoes inside for warmth and personal pleasure.
User avatar #299 to #4 - wolfishcharm (05/08/2013) [-]
I absolutely despise wearing my shoes anywhere. I only do so where it's needed. If I could, I'd walk around barefoot. In my own house, I never wear shoes. I never wear socks. I don't even like my guests to wear shoes or socks.

It just looks so uncomfortable to me.
I live in New Jersey.
User avatar #286 to #4 - meganinja ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
I always take my shoes off whenever I'm in a house, but it's quite odd to do so if you're at a large gathering.
User avatar #283 to #4 - dotzero (05/08/2013) [-]
Apparently. I've been living in America for a couple years and I always take off my shoes when entering a house. I just thought that was proper manners and it avoided getting the floor dirty.
User avatar #250 to #4 - rifee (05/08/2013) [-]
Was wondering the same. Seems so..unclean..
User avatar #244 to #4 - onionbubs (05/08/2013) [-]
Sometimes, when I have guests over, I put shoes on in my own house.
Even if I've been inside all day, I still put shoes on.
Even I dont know why...
User avatar #242 to #4 - infamoustrapper (05/08/2013) [-]
Um....yeah not sure what the **** everyone else is on about. Maybe it's some weird texas thing to be dirty and rude. But in new york we always take our shoes off because that makes sense. You don't want to track dirt through the house.
#241 to #4 - comanderspy (05/08/2013) [-]
uhh, is this serious, or a troll... i cant ******* tell!
User avatar #251 to #241 - rifee (05/08/2013) [-]
it's not.
#227 to #4 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
not normally, but say you go over to someone's house to visit. you are probably not going to take your shoes off unless you are going to be staying over there for the night or something.
#208 to #4 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
in germany we wear house shoes when we're in our own home and we take off our shoes when we are at a friends home.
User avatar #158 to #4 - xldarkking (05/08/2013) [-]
I never take mine off, i feel naked without my shoes on.
User avatar #174 to #158 - burtgasm (05/08/2013) [-]
i like feeling like im naked
#148 to #4 - makeitasyougo (05/08/2013) [-]
most places i go its strange to not wear shoes inside.If visiting for a decent period of time, say anything more than an hour or so, wait a few minutes, then take them off. its considered to be the acceptance of hospitality and good nature. the phrase "take your shoes off and stay a while" is used to imply hospitality and is an invitation to let the dogs loose.
User avatar #135 to #4 - snakefire (05/08/2013) [-]
Uh yeah...
#105 to #4 - swagbot (05/08/2013) [-]
Yeah but it's a gross and ******* retarded habit.
User avatar #103 to #4 - nittsurri (05/08/2013) [-]
My family sure as hell doesn't. Must just be the barbarians in florida
#90 to #4 - lolibear (05/08/2013) [-]
Many do, it mostly depends on the cultural heritage of your parents and their strictness. i.e. Many families with parents of asian and islander origin won't wear shoes in the house.
User avatar #88 to #4 - nyork ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
Depends, here in New York very few people wear their shoes indoors.
User avatar #54 to #4 - skinless (05/08/2013) [-]
**** yeah we do
User avatar #52 to #4 - cheeziswin (05/08/2013) [-]
Well, if you're just coming in and out, it would just be an inconvenience to take them off. Or, if you're at a party or something.
#38 to #4 - Visual (05/08/2013) [-]
It's more of a situational thing. Like it's polite to take them off at the door if you're going to stay for some time, or if they're dirty. Although it's not really frowned upon if you're not staying inside too long and you're not tracking anything.
User avatar #37 to #4 - minnesotaids (05/08/2013) [-]
Just like Canada, Minnesota is the same with shoes.
User avatar #36 to #4 - ihaveakeyboard (05/08/2013) [-]
it really depends on the area. places where snakes used to be more prevalent usually keep their shoes on. (warmer places mostly)
#26 to #4 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
yup but its because we forget to take them off
User avatar #25 to #4 - ryanmck (05/08/2013) [-]
Yes why not?
#222 to #25 - delivering (05/08/2013) [-]
Because you wear those same shoes outside. Where there's dirt, and mud, and poo. Do you really want that sprinkled all over your house?
User avatar #311 to #222 - ryanmck (05/08/2013) [-]
Yeah because i track so much dirt mud and **** on my shoes when I walk on the sidewalk 90% of the time.
#312 to #311 - delivering (05/08/2013) [-]
And the sidewalk is, somehow, clean? People throw garbage on the sidewalk, and tons of people walk on the sidewalk, leaving whatever they walked through earlier, on it.
Still not a great idea.
User avatar #5 to #4 - mattdoggy (05/07/2013) [-]
Here people just wear their shoes inside and then take them off unless they are really dirty or something. I'll wear mine to my room and then remove them. There it was i took two steps in the door and apparently i was bringing salt in to ruin their house or something
User avatar #6 to #5 - ThePedroBear (05/07/2013) [-]
Thats very odd actually, interesting but odd. I never thought people would actually wear shoes inside their house.
#32 to #5 - Coaltrain (05/08/2013) [-]
The salt is put on the roads to melt the ice. In northern areas where there is a lot of snow and/or rain, people tend to take their shoes off because of the snow, salt, slush, and mud that gets on their shoes. In drier, southern areas, people tend to leave their shoes on in the house because they don't dirty them outside, and they never have to wear big clunky boots.

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#99 - werrew (05/08/2013) [-]
Touch my Tim Horton's and I'll kill you
#11 - slenderwolf (05/07/2013) [-]
**slenderwolf rolled a random image posted in comment #24 at Wallpaper request ** a massive war breaks out between the US and Canada. All of US's forces are replaced with exactly one million of these
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User avatar #24 to #11 - paintballgun (05/07/2013) [-]
Holy **** man. 155mm shells for everyone
#35 to #24 - slenderwolf (05/08/2013) [-]
Imagine Oprah an the field of battle. &quot;You get a shell. YOU get a shell. EVERYONE GETS 155mm SHELLS!&quot; as a barrage of artillery fire fires over her head as she raises her arms.
Imagine Oprah an the field of battle. "You get a shell. YOU get a shell. EVERYONE GETS 155mm SHELLS!" as a barrage of artillery fire fires over her head as she raises her arms.
User avatar #326 to #35 - paintballgun (05/08/2013) [-]
My god that would be epic. You get a thumb for making me giggle.
#30 to #11 - jakeattack (05/08/2013) [-]
i dont think that could be any more relevent.
User avatar #15 to #11 - ilikeminecraft ONLINE (05/07/2013) [-]
Nice..
User avatar #81 to #18 - thefortysecond (05/08/2013) [-]
i just saw that episode today
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User avatar #333 to #288 - lolmonade (05/10/2013) [-]
thanks
#126 - nitsuan (05/08/2013) [-]
MFW there actually is no **** storm in the comment section and we simply got the joke
#230 to #126 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
late.
#76 - homicidalherpes (05/08/2013) [-]
Working at Tim Hortons was the worst experience of my life. I've never met so many ignorant, caffeine addicted, incompetent ********* in my life.
User avatar #83 to #76 - stallwallwriter (05/08/2013) [-]
Where was your Tims? I work at a pretty decent one in Halifax, but it's a nice neighbourhood, we don't have drive through, and we also sell ice cream. I feel like it's one of those things where location can make for a great (or ****** ) clientele.
User avatar #85 to #83 - homicidalherpes (05/08/2013) [-]
Quite close to you, I worked at one in Yarmouth. I once got followed to my car at the end of my shift, some guy who had been trying to get me to get high with him.
User avatar #87 to #85 - stallwallwriter (05/08/2013) [-]
That's pretty sketchtastic. I'm fortunate enough to get mostly retirees, construction workers, and university students at mine, and they're a pretty good lot. Also, I like the folks I work with, which makes a big difference.
#63 - ibleedbmx (05/08/2013) [-]
alaskan's response to war
#77 to #63 - imlost ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
you make me lol
#156 to #63 - ddoggdiggity (05/08/2013) [-]
******* EH hunting time
#157 - rambearclaw (05/08/2013) [-]
I wouldn't say sorry, if any ************* go near my Tim Hortons in hostility I'm going in berserker mode.
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User avatar #213 to #211 - rambearclaw (05/08/2013) [-]
I tried, when I found it I expanded it and that was the size of the image. And it still looks the same size when you post it so I never bothered to get the proper size.
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User avatar #291 to #214 - tombreaper (05/08/2013) [-]
hah. "my bigger size"
#262 to #211 - meuk (05/08/2013) [-]
Yeah cause I almost couldn't read the one rambearclaw posted.
Yeah cause I almost couldn't read the one rambearclaw posted.
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#159 to #157 - thegrayknights (05/08/2013) [-]
It's time............. ;D
#2 - omgroflsauce (05/07/2013) [-]
as i sit here in toronto drinking my tim hortons coffee you'll be pleased to know i almost spit it everywhere at "canadian mosque" oh god my sides
User avatar #124 to #2 - ilovehitler (05/08/2013) [-]
Amerifag here.
I have heard much about the place of worship, the Tim Hortons.
What is this place?
#138 to #124 - omgroflsauce (05/08/2013) [-]
coffee shop basically but i mean they got sammiches and soup and doughnuts and muffins and all that jazz. its not super fantastic coffee but its good, consistent, cheap coffee. i go there minimum twice a day. but i could stop at anytime i swear i definitely dont have 2 empty cups on the table beside me right now.
User avatar #140 to #138 - ilovehitler (05/08/2013) [-]
That place sounds magical. Like, more magical than gandalf riding a polar bear straight into Mordor while making Sauron suck his white dick.
#7 - Obot (05/07/2013) [-]
I actually love the very subtle Modest Mouse reference below the 3rd panel there.
#9 to #7 - Rascal (05/07/2013) [-]
I didnt know what you meant till I saw the text x3 I love dashboard
User avatar #21 to #7 - treefox (05/07/2013) [-]
Dashboard is a song that makes me feel good.
#46 to #7 - bigredthunder (05/08/2013) [-]
I love modest mouse.
#137 - hungryforwords (05/08/2013) [-]
&quot;Canadian Mosque&quot;
"Canadian Mosque"
User avatar #39 - chuckbillrow (05/08/2013) [-]
does not look like this invasion of Canada will go any better than the last one
#70 - halomike (05/08/2013) [-]
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No Fallout references?
#78 to #70 - stallwallwriter (05/08/2013) [-]
Taking a closer look at that article (Yes I know it's parody), I have to say something of that kind isn't entirely unrealistic. Not that they'd do it militarily, just take resource rights and establish military bases through a bunch of one-sided "treaties". It'd be easy to do with a Conservative Canadian government sympathetic to the US, but even without that, it's not like we're in any position to refuse. And once they basically own the place, why bother to even invade?
Sorry if I seem pessimistic, but in terms of power in Canada-US relations, making jokes about Americans online is pretty much the best we can do.
User avatar #125 to #78 - ilovehitler (05/08/2013) [-]
You could always make a sacrifice to the Bear Gods.
#152 - xxscopemanxx (05/08/2013) [-]
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User avatar #275 to #152 - huntergriff ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
...Isaac's canadian?!
User avatar #101 - navadae (05/08/2013) [-]
in secret, canada has built a massive underground army, stockpiled weaponry, and have perfected guerrilla warfare... they will strike, and before you know what happened, the last thing you hear before you pass from this world is.... "Sorry"
#31 - rmoran (05/08/2013) [-]
About time Canada was liberated
About time Canada was liberated
#40 to #31 - mrrickystephens (05/08/2013) [-]
Try it bitch, we burned your White House once and we will do again.
#45 to #40 - bigredthunder (05/08/2013) [-]
Pretty sure that was the British.
#62 to #45 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
Canada was settled by the British and Canada was a part of their army at the time. So Canadians and the British burned down the White House.
#60 to #45 - prr (05/08/2013) [-]
Actually, during the war of 1812 America burned down Parliament in modern day Toronto. In retaliation the Canadian militia along with some British soldiers burned down the White House.
User avatar #51 to #40 - lumpymandude (05/08/2013) [-]
If we actually attacked, Canada would be ours in a week
#65 to #51 - prr (05/08/2013) [-]
However, judging by the number of countries that dislike America/don't have the best relations with America it probably wouldn't stay yours for long. China would jump at the promise of oil (given that Canada has the 3rd largest supply in the world) Russia would come over the North, Quebec is pretty much the only peace left of the former French empire, as a commonwealth nation that gives Canada support from all former English colonies. And don't forget, attacking a country such as Canada would piss everyone in the world off even if they don't have relations with that country.
User avatar #287 to #65 - meganinja ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
I don't think anybody would actually do anything physically against the U.S. if they invaded Canada. At least as of in this point in history, the U.S.A is capable of repelling virtually all overseas invaders with its massive Navy and Air Force. The best a country like China could do would be to go further south than the American Navy is willing to commit, and make landings in South or maybe Central America. They would then have to travel North hugging the land and invade Via Mexico.

But America loves Canada, Canada best hat 2013.
User avatar #150 to #65 - bluelight (05/08/2013) [-]
attacking a country such as Canada would piss everyone in the world off even if they don't have relations with that country you mean it would piss the whole world off then world 3 would start
#43 to #40 - Uranium (05/08/2013) [-]
Damn tory bastards!
#162 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
As a Canadian considering how much of Canada is still wilderness, you would have to imagine it would be damn near impossible to conduct an effective counter insurgency against guerilla fighters if Canada was ever invaded. Well other than us yelling sorry after an attack.
User avatar #290 to #162 - tombreaper (05/08/2013) [-]
and this is how a war started...
User avatar #165 to #162 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
America has never successfully conducted an effective, or successful, counter insurgency against guerrilla fighters.
#196 to #165 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
Not true at all. I can think of many examples that an effective counter insurgency was established. French and Indian war, Spanish American War, Abrams during Vietnam and Petraeus in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not to mention that we are experts and creating, advising and supplying insurgencies.
User avatar #198 to #196 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
The French and Indian War was fought between British and French colonists, not Americans. During the Spanish-American War, Cuban rebels engaged in guerrilla attacks, American soldiers did not, they landed and fought using standard tactics. America failed to either stem or defeat Vietnam guerrilla fighters, they, like the french before them, pulled out having merely killed thousands of Vietnam and American citizens. America has not and did not successfully defeat rebel forces in either Iraq or Afghanistan, as guerrilla fighters are to this day, actively fighting against American and Iraq forces, And NATO and Afghan forces, respectively.
#210 to #198 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
By the time we left Iraq the Majority of the counterinsurgency had been put down through the use of Petraeus strategy that was based from Abrams strategy. As we adopted a Clear, Hold and build strategy we the populace was much nicer to us and we got a huge increase in cooperation from them during our stay. There are still 15,000 troops in Iraq but we almost never suffer any losses anymore because of the effective counter insurgency that we applied at the end of our stay.

In Afghanistan we applied the same strategy and also received huge success, but as Obama took over he has greatly reduced our efforts and we barely go out of our FOBs anymore. Much of the populace feels that we abandoned them and have started to turn on us again. Even so the Afghan forces are starting to take on much of the burden and the war is dieing down.
User avatar #228 to #210 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
America's understrength rush into Iraq left thousands of troops, and untold piles of arms and weapons free for the use by insurgence and guerrilla fighters. The only real plan for Iraq on American minds was, attack and take the oil. They had not planned for an actual recreation of a country after the removal of its dictator. Iraq people were quick to become frustrated and irritated with America and its troops. Not to mention the corruption driven American wastage of millions of Iraqi dollars on fruitless projects. (1)

Once more, America did not focus on the people, the insurgence did. America found itself stuck with the task of telling its soldiers to become police forces in a city filled with people who did not want them there.(2) America occupied Iraq and watched as it crumbled.

American Forces (AF) did little themselves, the majority of the work to rebuild was left to the Iraqis themselves while AF pointed their guns at things.

The American solution to stop the fighting was to pay off people who were killing each other. Money, not love for America, lowered fighting rates. America hides in its bases and watches as tribal leaders run the country for them.(3)

Insurgency decreased as a natural equilibrium was reached, or rather, both sides ran out of men, machines, and bullets. Insurgency and fighting and shot back up since America scurried off with its tail between its legs and no oil to show the lives cost. (4)

(1) atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/04/the-road-to-failure-in-iraq/
(2) Thomas Ricks. Fiasco: the American military adventure in Iraq. 150-151
(3) www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=52003
www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/10190-anglo-american-strategy-in-afghanistan-pay-off-insurgents-with-%E2%80%9Cbags-of-gold%E2%80%9D
www.alternet.org/story/62827/u.s._is_paying_off_iraq%27s_worst_war_criminals_in_attempt_to_ward_off_attacks
America's Failure in Iraq: Intervention to Withdrawal 1991-2010
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#297 to #228 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
Attack and take oil? Please, we haven't gotten anymore oil from the middle east than we would be if we weren't there. We put so much into that war, but get hardly anything from it. The oil conspiracy is a pretty dumb idea......
#247 to #228 - creepyunclebob (05/08/2013) [-]
I'm sorry, but the "take the oil" thing is ******** . That war cost trillions of dollars, way more than it could possibly have cost to legitimately buy oil.
User avatar #308 to #247 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
Money, money, money

www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallechinsky/what-is-the-real-reason-g_b_11116.html
www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2013/03/20/ten-years-later-its-still-not-clear-why-we-invaded-iraq/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker
http://web.archive.org/web/20070426011102/http://oversight.house.gov/documents/200509162.pdf
Blood on Our Hands: The American Invasion and Destruction of Iraq By Nicolas J. S. Davies
Why Did the Usa Invade Iraq? By Sebastian Plappert
Wanting War: Why the Bush DJ 4DM1Nistration Invaded Iraq By Jeffrey Record
Behind the Invasion of Iraq By The Research Unit for Political Economy
#329 to #308 - creepyunclebob (05/09/2013) [-]
The first link is sensationalist and illogical, the second doesn't support your point. The reason for invading Iraq is pretty simple in my opinion: 9/11 happened, and the people wanted someone to die for it. Even if it was a completely unrelated country.
User avatar #309 to #308 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
Wanting War: Why the Bush Adm/inistration Invaded Iraq By Jeffrey Record
User avatar #220 to #210 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
Schmitz, David F. The Tet Offensive: Politics, War, And Public Opinion.
Kaiser, David E .American tragedy: Kennedy, Johnson and the Origins of the Vietnam War
User avatar #219 to #210 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
In Vietnam America was unable to gain the hearts and minds of the people, the South Vietnamese people did not want the American puppet government or the American soldiers in their country. (1) By March 1964, American intelligence estimated that 40 percent of the territory of South Vietnam was either under enemy control or substantially under its influence. Approved in February of 1965, Rolling Thunder was the American response to the approaching failure of the American Attack on the former colony. It was a colossal failure, not only in fixing the issue, but in its goals to stop the movement of men and material to the south.(2)

In 1968 President Nixon ordered the bombing North Vietnamese routes through neutral Cambodia, an act that would lead to the Cambodian Genocide. Under Abrams recommendation an American led coup placed a puppet government in power in Cambodia to allow American soldiers to assault claimed NV bases.(3)

The 1968 Tet offensive shows that America did not have a handle on the guerrilla situation. By 1970 American troop reductions further fouled struggling attempts to defend any point on the map. Regardless of American "preparations" South Vietnamese forces could not stand up to Northern fighters. Even with American assistance, the failure of the Laos offensive in 1971 showed that America was not in a position of power or success. With anger over American aggression back home, the government began considering a full withdrawal.Negotiations began in 1970, America recognized it could not successfully remove the Northern troops, and the southern people did not want them there.(4)

Fighting slowed between 1970 and the end for America because of the negotiations, not American military efforts.

(1) Schandler, Herbert Y. America in Vietnam: The War that Couldn't be Won. pg 153
(2) Col Drew, Dennis M. Rolling Thunder 1965: Anatomy of a Failure. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/readings/drew2.htm
(3) Schandler, Herbert Y. 139-140.
(4) Ibid. 144-145.
#207 to #198 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
The Spanish American war was also fought between American troops and loyalist that did not want freedom from Spain in Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico and the Philippines. Seeing as we Guam, Puerto Rico and the Philippines were all brought under control and were generally peaceful we can chock that one up for a win.

Abrams Created the Clear and Hold strategy that had a huge impact on the Vietnam war, effectively destroying the insurgency that was present in southern Vietnam by 1972. This article goes into it a little bit: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96350333 there are also tons of literature available on Abrams and how he completely turned around the war from 1969-1971. As it will take far to long to explain feel free to do your own research.
#205 to #198 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
The French and Indian wars were fought between the French and British, but most of the fighting was actually done on the British side by British soldiers as the British commanders viewed colonists as incompetent. The Native American troops that each side brought to bare were effective guerrilla fighters and were the most trouble for the colonists as they would constantly rape and pillage the northeastern states. As the regular British commanders didn't really give a **** about the colonists many colonists began to form irregular fighting units with their own Native American allies that took their tactics from the Native American style. The tactics they learned here for countering the Guerrilla fighters would be put to use later against the British in the Revolution.
#169 to #165 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
Good point, but lets say someone like the Brits or the French who have conducted an effective counter insurgency tried to. As unlikely as that is lol
User avatar #171 to #162 - ThePhotoBomber (05/08/2013) [-]
Not only that, but America tried to invade canada before, way back when. Didn't work, either.
#175 to #171 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
Yes. but that was because they over estimated our wanting to become free of Britain, plus most of the areas they invaded were populated by Loyalists who fled America during the revolution, so the American's invading wasn't taken too well.
User avatar #177 to #175 - ThePhotoBomber (05/08/2013) [-]
My overall point is Canada is not a good place to try and invade.
#183 to #177 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
As was mine :P I mean they can have Quebec, but we'll keep the rest of the country.
User avatar #184 to #183 - ThePhotoBomber (05/08/2013) [-]
Well soon, we may not have Quebec. Justin Trudeau wants to turn it into its own country lol.
#186 to #184 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, but if Quebec separates they only get a very small fraction of what the province is now, plus any part that wants to remain Canadian is allowed to. So they can either be a small ass country with no economy to speak of, or a large province. So the French are a tad ****** lol
User avatar #190 to #186 - ThePhotoBomber (05/08/2013) [-]
If you can call them french *shrug*. I've heard real french compared to Quebec-ese. It's like the difference between music you love, and listening to your grandmother eat a sandwich.
#191 to #190 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
Oh I know, Quebecois French is all sorts of ****** up.
User avatar #193 to #191 - ThePhotoBomber (05/08/2013) [-]
Ive got some french family members on my moms side. From sturgeon falls. They claim they're "pure french" and speak that crap all the time. It hurts my ears to the point where I actually asked my grandmother to "Please speak bloody english to me, you old bat".

Needless to say I was grounded for a while lol.
User avatar #201 to #193 - jakefenris ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
It's only 38% of the population who want separation, the rest of us aren't a bunch of ******* assholes. Your french family sound like the fascists we have in government here. I can't stand the Quebecois, they're all language fascists.
#194 to #193 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
Haha I can imagine.
User avatar #178 to #175 - ThePhotoBomber (05/08/2013) [-]
We have newfies.
#176 to #162 - olafthebard (05/08/2013) [-]
**** your wilderness, we have napalm.
#182 to #176 - JenkinsLeeroy (05/08/2013) [-]
And look how well that worked for you in Vietnam.
#188 to #182 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
The US wouldn't have been in Vietnam if the French hadn't begged for them to show up and bail them out. They had no way of knowing that they would be blamed for everything that followed.
User avatar #202 to #188 - thalfak (05/08/2013) [-]
Or the fact Russia was helping North Vietnam
User avatar #296 to #182 - nitsuan (05/08/2013) [-]
Hey, we kicked ass in Vietnam; just look at the casualty reports. We lost because of stupid strategies like the war of attrition concept.

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#189 to #182 - olafthebard (05/08/2013) [-]
Hey man, we burned a lot of **** then, and napalms gotten even better since then, so who knows
#260 to #176 - Rascal (05/08/2013) [-]
If you remember napalm you must remember Vietnam, and the royal ass kicking the US received there.
User avatar #273 to #260 - huntergriff ONLINE (05/08/2013) [-]
Napalm didn't cost us that conflict though.

also, a **** ton of hippies in america were protesting the conflict
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