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#9 - baddinn
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Wait so let me get this straight. Gandalf fighting a twisted Maia spirit in the form of a Balrog, is all fine and dandy (Except the part where he "dies") But fighting a oversized octopus who probably was not part of the evil legions of Morgoth was so bad that they had to run into Moria? Mithrandir what the ****?

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#139 to #9 - kevinspacey **User deleted account**
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(05/04/2013) [-]
i've always wanted to find out more about the creatures that live in the tunnels underneath Moria. Im not sure how you got through the Silmarillion though, i found it to be dull, especially compared to other Tolkien books
#124 to #9 - anon
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(05/04/2013) [-]
The Shawshank Redemption
#81 to #9 - ljxjlos ONLINE
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(05/04/2013) [-]
I´m not quite sure at the moment, but I remember that some parts in the Silmarillion stated that there were creatures that weren´t created by either of the Valar. Prime example Ungoliath, which was as powerful that even Morgoth was "afraid" of her and it took armies of Balrog to fend her off and make her flee. And I think I can remember a part in LotR where Gandalf states that there were countless nameless creatures dwelling/sleeping in the depths of moria ( I love the lovecraftian vibe in this). So maybe the guardian of the lake was even more dangerous than the Balrog, you never know. Or am I wrong and it is stated, what exactly the guardian was?
#185 to #81 - anon
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(11/09/2014) [-]
The Guardian was a Kraken, made by Morgoth in Udun. The guardian was also released, like the Balrog, but instead of staying in Moria, went outside into the water to chill.
#187 to #185 - ljxjlos ONLINE
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(11/09/2014) [-]
Really? Would you happen to have the exact source? I´ve read everything by TOlkien and I can´t remember that being stated.
#70 to #9 - rakoom
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(05/04/2013) [-]
To be fair, all that Gandalf did was hold him off on a bridge - which was a lucky as hell event - and then break it. The fight that ensued after the fall was enforced, and he was lucky to win.
#21 to #9 - shazmo
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(05/04/2013) [-]
I hate that Gandalf can beat a Balrog and Saruman but the Witch King can just break his staff like it's nothing
#163 to #21 - sovereignsunkown
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(05/04/2013) [-]
technically, Gandalf and the Balrog are the same "species". they're both Maiar, just in different shapes. the witch-king was something else entirely
#186 to #163 - anon
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(11/09/2014) [-]
The witch-king was just a human turned wraith, not even close to the same level as Mithrandir. That scene was a complete fail on Jackson's part, as this part was not in the book.
#93 to #21 - repugnantpug
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(05/04/2013) [-]
That's only in the extended version- didn't make it to the final theatrical cut. What you saw Jackson ultimately didn't like either, so don't worry.
#155 to #93 - shazmo
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Oh so it didn't happen in the books either?
#175 to #155 - repugnantpug
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(05/04/2013) [-]
I don't know about the books, but I doubt it.
#188 to #175 - anon
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(01/03/2016) [-]
In book, Gandalf met Witch-king just after the Great Gate of Minas Tirith has been destroyed by Grond. Witch-king was about to enter the city when Gandalf confronted him and denied him passage to the city. Witch-king had some trash-talk to say but the ultimate confrontation never happened as Rohirrim have just arrived and sound of their horns forced the Ringwraith to attend to the new problem. But even if Gandalf and the WK clashed, the Ringwraith would never stand a chance. It was a mere ghost bound to Sauron's will, not even a Maia like Gandalf, Sauron or a balrog. The WK would be wiped out even if all the Nazghul were there to help him, Gandalf wearing Narya was that much more powerful than them.
#82 to #21 - ljxjlos ONLINE
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(05/04/2013) [-]
This scene was the biggest mistake in all of the movies. I hated it, too, and so did every real fan, I think. Pure ********.
#46 to #21 - thisotherdude
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Most fans did, that scene never took place in the book, just the standoff where the Witch Kings flame was enveloped in flame, but no staff breaking
#156 to #46 - shazmo
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Ah I see
#73 to #46 - beerterror
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(05/04/2013) [-]
It was plain stupid, as with majority of the changes Jackson made. As long as I respect him and loved the movies - this scene should have not taken place.
#10 to #9 - sovereignsunkown
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(05/04/2013) [-]
i'm pretty sure they just thought moria was infested with Orcs. they didn't know the Balrog was there until they read it in Balin's journal
#18 to #10 - imsodrunk
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(05/04/2013) [-]
no gandalf knew
#13 to #10 - pwnyking
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(05/04/2013) [-]
He's right you know...
#12 to #10 - baddinn
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Yeah i'm just saying why not just kill the oversized octopus?
#117 to #12 - angelious
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(05/04/2013) [-]
well as that one guy the ljxjlos said. the guardian of the lake might have been a little too strong for them.

#74 to #12 - pidgeon
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(05/04/2013) [-]
They were going through the mines of moria anyway.
#14 to #12 - sovereignsunkown
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(05/04/2013) [-]
idunno. gandalf's main source of offensive power is the Elven ring of fire, so i'd assume using it would alert Sauron to where they were, and they DID fight it sort of
#16 to #14 - baddinn
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Wouldn't Gandalfs main source of power be the fact that he is a Maia spirit created by Ilúvatar?
#162 to #16 - sovereignsunkown
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(05/04/2013) [-]
not overall power, just offensive power. Maiar weren't necessarily geared towards combat all the time, and if you hadn't noticed, most of gandalf's Maiar powers shown were crowd control-based, not necessarily for damage
#177 to #162 - baddinn
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(05/05/2013) [-]
But his powers are limited when he is not in the form of a Maia.
(Also Morgoth and Ungolianth)
#43 to #16 - taxation
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(05/04/2013) [-]
Oh NOW you're just getting nit-picky!