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#9 - baddinn (05/04/2013) [-]
Wait so let me get this straight. Gandalf fighting a twisted Maia spirit in the form of a Balrog, is all fine and dandy (Except the part where he "dies") But fighting a oversized octopus who probably was not part of the evil legions of Morgoth was so bad that they had to run into Moria? Mithrandir what the **** ?

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User avatar #139 to #9 - kevinspacey **User deleted account** (05/04/2013) [-]
i've always wanted to find out more about the creatures that live in the tunnels underneath Moria. Im not sure how you got through the Silmarillion though, i found it to be dull, especially compared to other Tolkien books
#124 to #9 - anonymous (05/04/2013) [-]
The Shawshank Redemption
User avatar #81 to #9 - ljxjlos (05/04/2013) [-]
I´m not quite sure at the moment, but I remember that some parts in the Silmarillion stated that there were creatures that weren´t created by either of the Valar. Prime example Ungoliath, which was as powerful that even Morgoth was "afraid" of her and it took armies of Balrog to fend her off and make her flee. And I think I can remember a part in LotR where Gandalf states that there were countless nameless creatures dwelling/sleeping in the depths of moria ( I love the lovecraftian vibe in this). So maybe the guardian of the lake was even more dangerous than the Balrog, you never know. Or am I wrong and it is stated, what exactly the guardian was?
#70 to #9 - rakoom (05/04/2013) [-]
To be fair, all that Gandalf did was hold him off on a bridge - which was a lucky as hell event - and then break it. The fight that ensued after the fall was enforced, and he was lucky to win.
#21 to #9 - shazmo (05/04/2013) [-]
I hate that Gandalf can beat a Balrog and Saruman but the Witch King can just break his staff like it's nothing
User avatar #163 to #21 - sovereignsunkown (05/04/2013) [-]
technically, Gandalf and the Balrog are the same "species". they're both Maiar, just in different shapes. the witch-king was something else entirely
User avatar #93 to #21 - repugnantpug (05/04/2013) [-]
That's only in the extended version- didn't make it to the final theatrical cut. What you saw Jackson ultimately didn't like either, so don't worry.
User avatar #155 to #93 - shazmo (05/04/2013) [-]
Oh so it didn't happen in the books either?
User avatar #175 to #155 - repugnantpug (05/04/2013) [-]
I don't know about the books, but I doubt it.
User avatar #82 to #21 - ljxjlos (05/04/2013) [-]
This scene was the biggest mistake in all of the movies. I hated it, too, and so did every real fan, I think. Pure ******** .
User avatar #46 to #21 - thisotherdude (05/04/2013) [-]
Most fans did, that scene never took place in the book, just the standoff where the Witch Kings flame was enveloped in flame, but no staff breaking
User avatar #156 to #46 - shazmo (05/04/2013) [-]
Ah I see
User avatar #73 to #46 - beerterror (05/04/2013) [-]
It was plain stupid, as with majority of the changes Jackson made. As long as I respect him and loved the movies - this scene should have not taken place.
User avatar #10 to #9 - sovereignsunkown (05/04/2013) [-]
i'm pretty sure they just thought moria was infested with Orcs. they didn't know the Balrog was there until they read it in Balin's journal
User avatar #18 to #10 - imsodrunk (05/04/2013) [-]
no gandalf knew
#13 to #10 - pwnyking (05/04/2013) [-]
He's right you know...
User avatar #12 to #10 - baddinn (05/04/2013) [-]
Yeah i'm just saying why not just kill the oversized octopus?
#117 to #12 - angelious (05/04/2013) [-]
well as that one guy the ljxjlos said. the guardian of the lake might have been a little too strong for them.

User avatar #74 to #12 - pidgeon (05/04/2013) [-]
They were going through the mines of moria anyway.
User avatar #14 to #12 - sovereignsunkown (05/04/2013) [-]
idunno. gandalf's main source of offensive power is the Elven ring of fire, so i'd assume using it would alert Sauron to where they were, and they DID fight it sort of
User avatar #16 to #14 - baddinn (05/04/2013) [-]
Wouldn't Gandalfs main source of power be the fact that he is a Maia spirit created by Ilúvatar?
User avatar #162 to #16 - sovereignsunkown (05/04/2013) [-]
not overall power, just offensive power. Maiar weren't necessarily geared towards combat all the time, and if you hadn't noticed, most of gandalf's Maiar powers shown were crowd control-based, not necessarily for damage
#177 to #162 - baddinn (05/05/2013) [-]
But his powers are limited when he is not in the form of a Maia.
(Also Morgoth and Ungolianth)
User avatar #43 to #16 - taxation (05/04/2013) [-]
Oh NOW you're just getting nit-picky!
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