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#522 - Reldinrostiare (05/04/2013) [-]
Far as im concerned, **** human rights, pedophiles should be ****** castrated, and sent to live in a colony by themselves. Murderers, rapists, and thieves aside, they are the lowest of the LOW of society and should be treated like the mongrel ***** they are. Thumbs up for sharing this. It made me happy.
#790 to #522 - anon (05/04/2013) [-]
I really hope you never breed, you're the kind of sick individual whom you are describing.
#724 to #522 - awesomanium (05/04/2013) [-]

Why are criminals criminals?
Because they're breaking laws.
Laws are made for the good of the people, and are pretty much moulded around human rights. Therefore, murderers are taking away someone's right to live, etc. By YOU taking AWAY their human rights, you're just as bad as them, or in your words, "the lowest of the LOW of society". The government would never do anything remotely as extreme as that, because it infringes on human rights, something that separates us from them.
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User avatar #566 to #522 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
> **** human rights
You let your emotions get in the way of your thinking and that's why you'll never do anything productive in your entire life. Well done promoting fascism though
User avatar #570 to #566 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
Actually has a point, if those mongrels can't act right in society they don't deserve their rights. After all there's a difference between a Robin Hood-esq criminal and a John Wayne Gacy.
User avatar #571 to #570 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
And who exactly are you to determine when somebody "doesn't deserve their rights"?
#573 to #571 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
When something can be considered vile such as murder of the 2nd and 1st degree I would say and also risking many innocent lives on purpose(such as making a bomb and placing it in a crowded place).
User avatar #578 to #573 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
And who are you to determine what is "vile"? You realize that Hitler thought he was putting "vile" people in concentration camps, right?
#665 to #578 - anon (05/04/2013) [-]
I find it laughable that you hold Hitler as the ultimate wrong when really he was simply infamous. Infamy does not equal ultimate evil, was he bad? Perhaps, but claiming that he was the worst human being in history, as you are implying by holding him up as picture to shock andriod shows your scope of human history. As for the "Who are you" well he is very simply a person who holds an opinion, an opinion he is free to act upon and speak whatever he wants as his 1 real universal right as long as he realizes there are consequences to this. But what really makes my skin crawl is people like you who claim other peoples opinions are absolute in the wrong and should be changed to the "correct" and "enlightened" way as you no doubt think yourself as. If you had the chance I have no doubt you would reprogram the whole of humanities soul to follow your views, your ideas and your values since you've shown nothing but abhorrence for the "barbarians" shown here. Who's the true fascist?
User avatar #699 to #665 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
I never said I held Hitler as the ultimate wrong. If you actually read my ******* posts, you'd realize that I said he thought he was in the right and did things that we consider abhorrent, but his intentions were to better his own people.
And yes, I am ******* aware of the fact that he has the right to give his opinion, that doesn't AT ALL mean that his opinion is valid.
And yes, I consider my opinions to be correct. That's kind of the point of why I hold them. Would I call them "enlightening"? No, I think it's common ******* sense.
And yes, if I had it my way, I would love to have everybody agree with me, that's kind of the whole reason why I try to argue my point. Would I "force" them to do it? No, because that would automatically make my points moot.

The thing that gives me a big ol' boner is the fact that you fell victim to the exact thing that you just accused me of doing - considering your own opinions as "enlightening", calling people fascists to "shock" them, assuming things with no basis in fact (ie claiming I think hitler is the ultimate wrong), and yes, I have absolutely no doubt that you'd change everybody's views to your own if given the chance. Also, you clearly have no respect for other people's opinions, either, and you intentionally set up strawmen to knock them down and make yourself look superior. Nice job, you managed to accomplish nothing but a hypocritical circlejerk with your post.
User avatar #592 to #578 - andriod (05/04/2013) [-]
The majority of people decide. If for some reason everybody was against this idea, they could choose to elect a leader who would undo it.

I personally would support it.
User avatar #601 to #592 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
Just like how the majority of people wanted Hitler as their leader. Right.
User avatar #607 to #601 - andriod (05/04/2013) [-]
No, Hitler started out as a elected official but gradually became a tyrant.

It wouldn't happen in the US today. Pres. and Congress have limited terms and the Military branch are quite capable of thinking for themselves.
Even If all that failed, and the desire was great enough, People would revolt and topple the government because of the second amendment.

I honestly think the more important question is, Who are you to decide on this issue?
User avatar #615 to #607 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
Who am I? I'm somebody arguing for giving every person basic human rights no matter what in absolutely every single circumstance. That is crucial, no matter what they have done and no matter how much, in your eyes, they don't "deserve" them because YOU don't get to decide what freedoms people deserve. If you get to decide that, everybody gets to decide that, including the most hateful, bigoted people you know.

Like I explained earlier - You seem to think that the present is "invulnerable" to those types of things, that history will never repeat itself and we've learned from our mistakes. Newsflash - it isn't, it will and we haven't. All it takes is for one man, a charismatic person to gain power and gradually strip away your freedoms one by one and before you know it you're in prison because of your religion, or your skin color, or your actions that you never even thought were worthy of a crime. And people will absolutely support him because he's making the country "better" by getting rid of the "vile" people.

Remember, Hitler didn't run on the platform of "I'm going to literally massacre as many Jews as I possibly can and start a world war that will obliterate our entire country and leave it in ruins for decades", it was "Hey, you know those problems that are plaguing us right now, like a **** economy, mass unemployment and the falling-apart of our society? I can fix that easily".
User avatar #641 to #615 - andriod (05/04/2013) [-]
But that supports anarchy.
Who are we to decide what he is entitled to? Who are we to decide what is illegal?
The structure of all modern law and government is decided by popular sovereignty.
So all im trying to say is that WE THE PEOPLE can do anything. WE are allowed to decide whether extreme criminals deserve basic human rights. I mean hell, the prisoners themself's are a perfect example of this. If the majority thought that this was to cruel a punishment, they would have stopped the guys who did it.

And yes history is doomed to repeat. I was never saying it wouldn't. I just don't see it happening anytime soon to the US. This however is a completely separate issue which I would prefer not to discuss.
User avatar #645 to #641 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
How is what I'm saying supporting anarchy? Do you know what that word means? In fact it's precisely what you're arguing for - "whoever is the most powerful gets their way". Just because a majority wants something doesn't mean they should get it - human rights comes first in absolutely every case. It doesn't matter if there's a crowd of screaming morons calling for his blood, he gets the same rights just as you would.

The day we let your emotions run the world is the day society collapses.
User avatar #654 to #645 - andriod (05/04/2013) [-]
Your mistaking Anarchy for Social Darwinism. Anarchy means you don't have to follow any rules. The majority decides what human rights are considered. Its not like its written on the side of a mountain what is and is not acceptable.
If the minority can do whatever they wanted, then that very same Prisoner could make it a "Law" that you have to rape and murder children. Because the majority couldn't have its way, that guy would be free to do as he pleases. this is an extreme example but its valid none the less.

You seem to forget the fact that WE are human. Literally everything that we do in our life's is because of our emotions. All of our technology is based on our emotions. As long as we exist on this planet, our emotions will run this world of ours.

And I can't help but chuckle that Im the one telling you this and my name is android.
User avatar #659 to #654 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
No, you don't get what I mean when I say "emotions". I mean how somebody does something you disapprove of and you immediately scream and cry and demand a punishment so that at the end of the way you can grasp to your childish worldview that every tale has a happy ending and that karma is a thing. Doing something to somebody that they don't want you to do for the sole purpose of satisfying your own desires is exactly what a murderer does and you would be no better than them if you allow this to happen.

Your idea that people can make laws that you must "rape and murderer children" is complete strawman. No, the minority isn't able to do what they want either. There isn't one group of people that can just do whatever they want, why is that so hard to understand? The "majority" decides what is and isn't acceptable, but guess what, the majority is very often blatantly wrong, just like Nazi Germany. If you don't have basic human rights clearly defined and protected, then you are no better than the German citizens who stood back and allowed the Holocaust to happen and you clearly have learned nothing from history. We will NEVER progress as a society if there is still a group of people that dictates who is worthy of having rights and who is not and they get away with it.
User avatar #590 to #578 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
That's not the same matter. We aren't controlling the world, and you know damn well Hitler would have been jailed and executed for war crimes. What we are talking about is crime and punishment, and as I previously stated, the obvious successful or attempt on people's lives should be considered vile. I'm not trying to argue man, I'm just saying that someone who clearly committed a major crime should not be treated as an average man or woman.
User avatar #600 to #590 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
Exactly. People who commit a major crime are not "average people". It is not normal human behavior to molest and kill toddlers, but it happens anyway. Why? Because the people that do it AREN'T NORMAL. This isn't 1870 any more, we know a lot about the human brain and how it works and why people do what they do. Your basic urges, and your basic emotions, like anger - you might be able to control it or you might not be able to, but some people absolutely cannot and when their emotions take over they snap and do things that you want to put them to death for. What makes you any better than the murderers if you are willing to kill to satisfy your own desires?

And I don't understand how you can say "hitler would have been jailed and executed for war crimes", because, you know, he kind of wasn't. It actually ******* happened, it's not just a neat story. Hitler thought he was purifying Germany, and that he was making his nation a paradise for everyone that was "worthy" by getting rid of, in your words, "vile" people. You might have different ideas as to what constitutes a "vile" person, but to Hitler, all the people he killed were absolute threats to his country and to his people. He didn't sit around being proud of being evil - the thought probably never even crossed his mind that he might be the bad guy, just like it clearly has never crossed yours.
User avatar #612 to #600 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
Ah, but they weren't vile people. They were anyone who wasn't Aryan. Criminal or not. As well as homosexuals, the mentally disabled, gypsies, and also Jehovah's witnesses. So really it wasn't much of his opinon on those who were vile, it was more raising a group over any other until they seemed vile. That issue is more of the idea of master races. We are talking about killers here, they did do something to deserve punishment.
Any way, those who are mental and those who are murderers are different. Those who are mental would just kind of go crazy one day and kill or attempt to kill any thing or one they can. A murder, I find, is someone who kills and knows what they are doing. Yes they are twisted in a very sick sadistic way, and you could call them metally unstable, but they have an idea on how to get away with this and what goals they want to accomplish.
And I do not consider myself to be good or evil, in reality most people are Neutral until a certain moment when they take a side then and forever.
User avatar #620 to #612 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
And why exactly do you think that these people who are "twisted in a very sick sadistic way" deserve these things? They have no control of their desires, just like you have no control over yours. You get turned on by hot women and "very sick sadistic twisted" people get turned on by kids, and you may or may not act on your desires. You claim to want to kill these people because they "deserve punishment", but guess what - in the psychopath's mind, EVERYBODY DESERVES PUNISHMENT. In a killer's mind, there is not a single innocent person on this planet and literally everybody has done something to justify their death. Call them "mentally unstable" all you want, they're still people, they can be helped and if you don't understand that then you have no place in this discussion.
User avatar #635 to #620 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
I don't "claim I want to kill them" I say that they really shouldn't get as many of these rights as other prisoners. And if these people are truly ill, they will never be cured. For all the hours and days and months and years you invest in their well being, if they are released and are truly ill-minded, they will repeat their actions. And you keep implying I care for the life of one who took another's. In my mind it's the idea of balance. You stole a life, therefore yours must be taken as well. And don't give me that "An eye for an Eye leaves the whole world blind" ******** because in the end there's always one who started the argument and backs out until the end. I understand that you don't agree whit this idea but it encourages balance, and in our modern world we need more balance than ever before.
While these debates are interesting I tire of them, and I would like to proceed with my day good sir. I see your ideals but I simply cannot agree with you. Your opinions on me are your own. I bid you adieu.
User avatar #642 to #635 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
Karma doesn't exist and "balance" is a childish concept. You get a punishment for what you did but you will absolutely be treated the same way any other person would be, otherwise you're no better than the one being punished.
User avatar #651 to #642 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
The idea of equality is just as childish, no one is truly equal.
User avatar #652 to #651 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
And there's the Hitler in you I knew was there all along.
#683 to #652 - bigrog (05/04/2013) [-]
don't be a condescending asshole. And he's right. Equality is an impossible and foolish goal.
User avatar #666 to #652 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
Oh you really think there's such a thing as equality? Social status, race, gender, opinions, beliefs. There are many things that make us unequal. Is this a problem? In some cases yes, but inequality is what makes us different. You might see it bad as being unequal but really it's not. It's simply foolish to think equality is possibles, human nature itself detours equality.
User avatar #696 to #666 - gammajk (05/04/2013) [-]
Do you really think that when I say "equality" I mean it literally, with social status, race, gender, opinions and belief? No, I mean that every single person gets the same underlying rights as the rest of society and everybody gets a fitting punishment for their crimes. None of your emotional ******** .
User avatar #781 to #696 - sirbutterballs (05/04/2013) [-]
Well I do wish to apologize for being rude at the end of this debate. I do not wish to make an enemy over different opinions. I apologize for my rudeness and wish you a good day.
User avatar #528 to #522 - asasqw (05/04/2013) [-]
Sounds like Australia all over again
User avatar #527 to #522 - kafudamapla (05/04/2013) [-]
And all the sexy children that seduce them
#529 to #527 - Reldinrostiare (05/04/2013) [-]
I hope that was a joke. If not....
User avatar #530 to #529 - kafudamapla (05/04/2013) [-]
I thought it was obvious, evidently not :/
#537 to #530 - Reldinrostiare (05/04/2013) [-]
Huh. Well personal opinion, not funny. Guess the other junkers can make their own verdicts.
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