Catcher In The Rye. after we finished reviewing this book before the AP lit exam btw will thumb all user comments.. I hated that book There didn't seem to be any central plot, just Holden whining about everything
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User avatar #33 - ArgumentGuy (04/25/2013) [-]
I read 'Catcher in the Rye' once. I was disappointed to find out that it was about neither baseball nor whiskey.
#46 - nimblewalrus (04/25/2013) [-]
Black People Problems
User avatar #60 to #46 - GhostOfRavenclaw (04/26/2013) [-]
*love this*
#37 - lolfire (04/25/2013) [-]
Great book, but there is that whole "Holden wants to nail his preteen sister" aspect...
User avatar #41 to #37 - violentpixi (04/25/2013) [-]
I find that an unfounded interpretation. Interested in your theory.
User avatar #45 to #41 - lolfire (04/25/2013) [-]
Give me 10 minutes, pulling up my notes about it.
User avatar #49 to #45 - lolfire (04/25/2013) [-]
Ok gonna be a bit longer here, can't find my old English notebook.
User avatar #50 to #49 - thedutchs (04/25/2013) [-]
Can't you give a summary? I mean. He had a really good relation with his little sister but nothing sexual, right?
User avatar #52 to #50 - lolfire (04/25/2013) [-]
Ok, I'll go from what I can remember, but it was a few years ago...

Basically I was doing a Freudian psychoanalysis of Holden for a critical response paper and I came across certain things.
Holden felt guilty about Allie’s death and couldn't manage to get rid of this feeling. He couldn't find any friends and loved only his little sister Phoebe. Phoebe is the focus of Holden’s love. Holden has had no sexual experience before, he had kissed very few girls.
Like most of other children, Holden had a strong love to his mother when he was a baby. However, approaching the puberty period Holden has many changes in his life like the death of Allie, the departure of D.B. and going to boarding schools. These changes affected Holden and he focused his love on Phoebe. His affectionate current changed its direction and oriented itself towards his little sister Phoebe. Phoebe became his primary object choice. At the beginning of the puberty, Holden unconsciously understood that he couldn't have sex with Phoebe because of the obstacle against incest in society. During the puberty period, he formed a sensual current and had increase in his libido. His affectionate current and sensual current became separated. (Always affectionate current for Phoebe) Then, he placed Jane Gallagher in Phoebe’s role and Jane became Holden’s secondary object choice. He could have completed his development if he had had sex with Jane. However, one of the three dangers explained by Freud happened and he couldn't manage to have a relation with Jane. They were very good friends as they spent a summer together and Jane didn't seem very likely to have a sexual relation with him. Also, Holden didn't t have courage to kiss her lips. Therefore, he couldn’t have sex with her. This lead to frustration in reality and Holden enters in the period of psychical impotence. In this period, he had a chance to have sex with two debased objects; Sally and Sunny.
User avatar #54 to #52 - thedutchs (04/25/2013) [-]
I. Just. What. I'm scared.
User avatar #55 to #52 - lolfire (04/25/2013) [-]
This mental analysis coupled with the various references to Phoebe being "attractive" and Holden "swelling up" (double meaning) when he say her give rise to a possibly paedo/incestuous urge from Holden's failed sexual desires.

I should point out now that this is a debated issue but favored by psychoanalytical critics and hated by Marxist critics. If I had my notes I could probably give more examples but I can't find the ******* book. If I find it, I'll let you know
User avatar #56 to #55 - thedutchs (04/25/2013) [-]
Please do. I'm disgusted but curious.
#2 - acroneos (04/24/2013) [-]
I hated that book
There didn't seem to be any central plot, just Holden whining about everything
User avatar #3 to #2 - GhostOfRavenclaw (04/24/2013) [-]
thats how i feel too, but i still like the book because it brings to light how annoying people who are like that truly are to the people who act like that. Atleast thats how many in my class saw it lol they all sunk down in their chairs and didnt make any eye contact with anyone
User avatar #25 - Cleavland Steamer (04/25/2013) [-]
Slightly different opinion: For everyone complaining that Holden was a whiny bitch with white people problems, did you ever stop to think that he was written to be a heavily flawed character?


He was never intended to be a rational person. He was in a damn psych ward, so why would you expect him to be perfectly sane and likeable?
User avatar #15 - gottdammit (04/25/2013) [-]
To be perfectly honest, Holden annoyed the **** of me as a character. He has some serious issues when it comes to connecting with people, generally looking for a problem when there isn't one.
#39 - iamlesexbomb (04/25/2013) [-]
At first, like many people other people stating it on here, Holden annoyed me. Yet when I read it a second time I came to realise that it's not just 'white people problems', but I actually started to like Holden as a character.    
   
Didn't like the actual book though because there was no 			*******		 plot.
At first, like many people other people stating it on here, Holden annoyed me. Yet when I read it a second time I came to realise that it's not just 'white people problems', but I actually started to like Holden as a character.

Didn't like the actual book though because there was no ******* plot.
User avatar #43 - violentpixi (04/25/2013) [-]
I disliked Holden intensely when I first read the book, however looking deeper, I do find some very interesting points, specifically his unwillingness to grow up and let go of innocence hence his sexual confusion. It could be seen as a critique on the sexualization of youth in modern america and Holden emulates that. He may be whiney and annoying but thats probably Salinger's scope on teenagers: angsty and over emotional.
#23 - schrodngrscat (04/25/2013) [-]
I'm not going to defend Holden because I know I'll just get a ton of red thumbs and people yelling at me but I just need to say that I'm sad that I seem to be the only person in the world who liked the book and loved Holden...
User avatar #24 to #23 - wheresthefudge (04/25/2013) [-]
Well you're not the only one... several serial killers have extolled the book's writing and the character of Holden specifically.
#29 to #24 - schrodngrscat (04/25/2013) [-]
To be honest I might become a serial killer anyway so this is really encouraging.
#44 to #29 - wheresthefudge (04/25/2013) [-]
Well good for you. Shoot for your dreams... or their hearts, as the case may be.
Well good for you. Shoot for your dreams... or their hearts, as the case may be.
User avatar #14 - badgerbaiting (04/25/2013) [-]
I prefer the adult version, catch her in the eye.
#36 - anon (04/25/2013) [-]
That book is **** .
User avatar #53 - sketchysketchist ONLINE (04/25/2013) [-]
I never got to read the book in highschool, instead we read multiple shakespear plays and an other holocaust story that's pretty much exactly like all the others. Oh and one third of the Divine Comedy, which was like reading Saw the book minus any hope because it was abandoned once we entered that poetic reading assignment. :/
User avatar #51 - demandsgayversion (04/25/2013) [-]
I won't comment anything because Google doesn't understand that when I ask for a "short summary", I don't mean relative to the book, I mean one goddamn paragraph.
User avatar #47 - thedutchs (04/25/2013) [-]
I liked the book. And he's bit more ****** up than the average teenager. Dead brother, saw roommate die.

yeah.
User avatar #40 - broldencaulfield (04/25/2013) [-]
I quite liked the book.........
#28 - anon (04/25/2013) [-]
I THOUGHT WHAT I'D DO WHAT I'D PRETEND TO BE ONE OF THOSE DEAF MUTES

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#22 - anon (04/25/2013) [-]
To be fair, his brother did die and he witnessed someone's death.

...pretty traumatizing for a young chap, i believe it justifies everything.
User avatar #18 - InglushMayjur (04/25/2013) [-]
Man, I remember reading Catcher in the Rye in high school. That, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and Of Mice and Men were the only books I was assigned that I enjoyed.
#17 - anon (04/25/2013) [-]
that book annoyed me. well, not so much the book as holden himself. holden annoyed me.
#4 - nicopwnz (04/24/2013) [-]
Holden is my hero. He made me realize that growing up sucks.
User avatar #8 to #4 - couriersix (04/25/2013) [-]
growing up always sucked
#6 to #4 - stickandmove (04/25/2013) [-]
"I idolize the person who afforded me enough presence of mind to know I should be sad a lot."
User avatar #12 to #4 - indecisivejew (04/25/2013) [-]
You have one of the worst heroes ever. He was one of the worst critical thinkers and decision makers ever, and even though I know the book did this purposefully, I felt like I was becoming stupider by reading it. If you really want to read a good book that is about all the same things of growing up in white suburbia, you should go get "Ordinary People". Its a more realistic and better version of a similar story.
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